Guild Wars 2

SkyChef.5432:

I don’t feel anything. It’s just a game deteriorating slowly, so who cares. Besides, I always blame the internet.

Diablo 3 is getting rid of the auction house next year and a better loot system, that’s a good candidate for the game that I finally give up GW2 to go play.

Ceribrocanasans.4135:

Broadicea.8294:

Back during the Deadeye Farm craze I had my guardian up at 101% crit and there were still non-crit hits happening. Don’t know if that’s due to a bug with Right Hand Strength (it still doesn’t display in the H panel, you have to just add the 15 yourself) or something else wonky with the crit% calculations.

Just mentioning this to say it might not always so bad to be a little above 100%. If there is a bug, that is.

I thought right hand strength didn’t apply to reflect damage. That’s why you wouldn’t crit sometimes.

I’m pretty sure I was hitting closer to 100% than 85%. That would be the first I’ve ever heard of that.

spoj.9672:

Thats because its capped. Not sure what its capped to, probably about 99%.

That would explain it.

Back during the Deadeye Farm craze I had my guardian up at 101% crit and there were still non-crit hits happening. Don’t know if that’s due to a bug with Right Hand Strength (it still doesn’t display in the H panel, you have to just add the 15 yourself) or something else wonky with the crit% calculations.

Just mentioning this to say it might not always so bad to be a little above 100%. If there is a bug, that is.

I’d like to do bad things IRL to the person who popularized the craptastic engi flamethrower build

haviz.1340:

Why anyone whines about fgs doing 175k when feedback does 800k and completely nullifies enemy damage? I’m complaining about reflections being overpowered in pve since ever, not only they negate all damage but deal it back.

You must have a very short memory because there was tons of whining about how much damage Feedback does to Lupi when you guys started posting your sub-30s kills.

Sanderinoa.8065:

Broadicea.8294:

Do you have any advice on how best to deal with kittenty phase 1 locust RNG? Or would you suggest just resetting if you get crap like what made me ragequit last night, where his first scream brought 4 locusts followed by 3 on the next?

Depends on what you’re trying, if you’re trying to get a speedclear done, you cant really afford more than one 3+ locust spawn I’d say, if not, I recommend putting up a temportal curtain on a place where the warden is likely to spawn, the cast the warden, pull swarms in, immobilise with skill 3 and shatter once warden is done hitting, Aside from that, you can always use timewarp if you get in a situation like that, use it well, shatter a bit and let the warden hit a lot, you should be able to get most of them dead.

Haha welll I’m just trying to plain get it finished, I’m not even worried about speed yet. Thanks for the tip.

Dub.1273:

I believe everyone would be fine to use no exploits in speedrun videos.
Fiery Rush isn’t an exploit, though, so restricting it’s use would be kittened and nothing i’d agree on.

Agreed, and a +1 to the idea of two record sets. One that will stand the test of time and one that is a current including whatever you want.

Do you have any advice on how best to deal with kittenty phase 1 locust RNG? Or would you suggest just resetting if you get crap like what made me ragequit last night, where his first scream brought 4 locusts followed by 3 on the next?

There’s pretty much zero chance that we’ll be able to buy ascended gear simply with dungeon tokens. There’s just no way they’d allow anything to circumvent the huge gold-sink and time-gated nature of ascended crafting.

Dungeon items are simply going to be for skins only, which is also fun cause a lot of them still have trash item icons a year after release.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Lupi will move away from you if you get too close. If you sit at max melee range he’ll remain stationary.

“max melee range” usually refers to being far away enough that auto attacks no longer trigger (red bar under your auto skill), but close enough that you can still hit him. As dub said, that’s a bad idea at Lupi.

He moves when you get inside the red target circle, or very close to it.

No, but zerker players are better than trashgear players, full stop.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Actually, what matters most is internal comparative accuracy. It’s irrelevant if the numbers in game differ, what matters is that is the calculator says Build A is better than Build B that it’s true in game as well.

Understandable, but then it would be nice to have as accurate a comparison as possible using actual hard metrics rather than a simple “better than” or “worse than” comparator, since I might be ok trading 5% personal DPS out for the convenience of condi removal on demand, or something of that nature. The calculator should do that, but if the calculator says 5% difference it would be nice to verify that in game as well. 100 seconds to kill something versus 95 seconds to kill it (on average of course) would prove out the theoretical approach.

Zelyhn.8069:

Exactly

And as for the independent verification, I tested the behaviour of every factor that my calcualtor takes into account. So, using your speedometer analogy, if every component of the device has been approved then the final object must be working correctly. Well, provided I put the pieces in the right place! That’s why I am asking for feedback.

You must never have worked professionally with software or electronics before. Or met a QA person.

Guys I’m not trying to rag on anyone doing “theory crafting”, and this isn’t rocket science. If you come up with a hypothesis, it doesn’t matter how sound it is on the blackboard, what matters is the field test. NASA doesn’t go from the blackboard to the launchpad without testing in between. Pharma doesn’t get a product on the shelves until the clinical trials have been reviewed. Toyota doesn’t just calculate G forces caused during a crash, they test that sucker. That’s all I’m asking about.

Zelyhn.8069:

You can easily adjust the armor of targets in the calculator

As for your test Broadicea, if you put the correct input in the calculator then it will give your correct average dps.

Independent verification is what I’m talking about. We can trust that the speedometer in my car is correct, but independent verification from another source would prove that conclusively. Your calculator says I’ll do xxxx damage, I’d like to see an independent measurement of that damage to verify the theoretical basis of your model. Not that I believe it’s incorrect, I’m just much more biased towards empirical data and analysis.

Mirta.5029:

Broadicea.8294:

Mirta.5029:

Multi guild organized try on Underworld. This is kitten difficult. To beat him ATM you need for every person to be near perfect.

I see he has his bone wall up. Very organized, yes.

About to try again. Had 55 people on TS, had about 5 big guilds of the server, so YES this is the BEST we can do. If we won’t manage it better, we won’t manage it better. The thing is there was commanding, there was defending, there was attacking. In the end we ended up with too little people on the turrets defending, therefore at the very end the turrets fell. It’s a balancing act. A very precise one.

Sounds like bad leadership to me. Get smarter commanders.

100% guaranteed that the vast majority of faceplanters at Tequatl are blue/green geared PVwhatever wearing scrubs.

Bright.9160:

Broadicea.8294:

Probably the damage calculation since that’s what it really all boils down to, at least for the dungeon forum folks. You would need to factor in the armor level of whatever mob you’d be using I’d suppose. Good candidates for damage sponges: Abomination in Arah p2, any kind of Giant (the champs in P3, perhaps) The Destroyer in CoE/3. Of course some of those guys are also levels 80+, don’t know if anyone’s figured out the damage reduction for that yet.

Just have a place where you can add in the armor level to adjust the damage numbers if possible.

Honestly, though, I don’t think it’s that important. If the formulae are accurate, you can still calculate the highest DPS build on some set armor level. You could still find out which build is the highest DPS, which is what matters most, since it will also be the highest DPS against a higher armor enemy.

True, armor probably doesn’t matter, but what I’d like to see is a calculator saying I’ll do xxxx DPS, then go into the game, record a fight, and be able to look at my combat log/the floaters and compare.

I hate all the stupid kitten cutesy nicknames for him. His name isn’t hard, just type it. Or Teq if you’re really into the whole brevity thing.

You don’t see people talking about the personal story endboss as Zhaitty, Zatty, Zohan, Zubar, Zagnut, or any idiotic crap like that, why can’t people just say TEQUATL.

Mirta.5029:

Multi guild organized try on Underworld. This is kitten difficult. To beat him ATM you need for every person to be near perfect.

I see he has his bone wall up. Very organized, yes.

Probably the damage calculation since that’s what it really all boils down to, at least for the dungeon forum folks. You would need to factor in the armor level of whatever mob you’d be using I’d suppose. Good candidates for damage sponges: Abomination in Arah p2, any kind of Giant (the champs in P3, perhaps) The Destroyer in CoE/3. Of course some of those guys are also levels 80+, don’t know if anyone’s figured out the damage reduction for that yet.

Zelyhn.8069:

Yes all formulas used in the calculator have been tested and approved.

(apart from the behaviour of vulnerability stacks, the common belief is that it is additive)

Forgive my skepticism, but are you planning on publishing some evidence of that test?

Last one I was in on DB, I organized the north turret defense with only about 7 people plus 3 turreteers and we were never in trouble. I think the southern turrets get a little more pressure from mobs than the northern. So I’d say North only needs like 5-7 (well organized) people on defense, South might need 10-12. No need for a full party on each turret, that’s overkill.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Technically, Engineers can only range. They’re pretty good at it, too. They have a lot of support and healing skills, so Engineers are like mini guardians in that sense.

BRA being wrong again.

The problem is low level people don’t know what they’re doing and people who are speed-clearing the dungeons don’t want to carry others.

Stuff like this is neat in theory and all but what I’m more interested in is whether or not it actually proves to be correct with field testing. Do you have any evidence that your calculator lines up with empirical data?

He is an object, like pretty much every World Boss, and therefore cannot be hit by crits at any point in time.

Are the turret AoE skills not limited to 5 players receiving the boon?

Vorch.2985:

From what I’ve been seeing, you need 4 commander tags: 1 Left Turret, 1 Left Ranged DPS, 1 Right Turret, 1 Right Ranged DPS.

The Turret commanders lead players that are protecting the turret users. Their job is to direct the destruction of fingers, kill mobs, and ensure the safety of the turrets.

The DPS commanders are markers. they stand IN FRONT of the turrets while the turret users spam 4 and 5 on them and the mob surrounding them.

Players on turrets are VERY important. They need to understand that they are pressing #2 for scales, # 4 for buffing the DPS commander markers, and #3 to remove poison. Throw in #5 on DPS commander markers to make add heals.

That sounds like a very solid strategy.

Ceribrocanasans.4135:

Brutal Arts.6307:

Broadicea.8294:

/inspect would make pugging about 1000% better

I’d pay 2000 gems for this.

If it was made available for gems, it would let you see all of their gear, but none of the stats. The only reason you should ever need to inspect someone is to make your character look like their’s.

That’s…a response I normally see from bads and casuals about the idea of /inspect. I mean, I know DnT is all about being Masters of SAB these days, but wow.

Dolan.3071:

Z3rkur gear is more successful when the whole team is wearing it. You’ve got PVT gear in which you try to out-endure your opponent, then Zirkor in which it’s kill before you’re killed. So a majority of players able to out-endure a boss’ attacks teamed up with poor Basurkor whose quickly running out of dodges does make Bagsirkor look worse, despite the fact that he probably did double the damage contribution of the PVT carebears before going down.

Prime example of this is the Slave Driver in CoF1. 5 Burgzirghuirz will melt him before anyone downs, start adding in PVT players and people start downing.

BZRGKYRXGORS

All these qq posts about how it’s impossible are gonna look pretty hilarious in a week when it gets cleared every reset.

SgtSarcasm.1653:

Actually, what makes the message get lost is usually the endless dying the vast majority of the Zerker players do after “trymping themselves up”.

I personally don’t care if they want to behave like kittens if they can actually back up their boasting with decent play, but most of them can’t.

Nah that doesn’t really happen. Sorry about your inaccurate perception of reality.

If you’re bringing an ele and not doing might/fury stacking (30 fire) or vuln stacking (25 air) you might as well be on a necro. Leech build.

/inspect would make pugging about 1000% better

Spiky Muffin.9180:

SkyChef.5432:

Definitely a great idea.
Any good ele build lately? I have not run my ele in ages but would like to try again. Her current build is 20/30/0/20/0 and 10/30/0/20/10

in short: 30/10/10/10/10
from what ive heard from the friend who runs this it has very high dps in groups but pretty hard to use. i think it mostly uses LH and blasts in firefields in between 2 hammers. the weapons he uses are mainly S/D ( main reason for that are combos)

Why 10 in Arcana? What use could that be over the extra damage modifier from going 20 into Water?

Emanuel.9781:

Broadicea.8294:

What sort of ping do most folks get, out of curiousity? Normally I sit around 80-110, but sometimes for no apparently reason I can easily ride at 200-250, which really bones me.

You can check using the /ip command in-game, then launching Resource Monitor if you’re on Windows 7 and look at latency for that connection in the TCP Connections area.

150-250+ on US almost consistently, 20-50 on EU. Sometimes i get massive lag every few seconds on either region, though.

I wonder how much better I could do with 30 ms ping

What sort of ping do most folks get, out of curiousity? Normally I sit around 80-110, but sometimes for no apparently reason I can easily ride at 200-250, which really bones me.

You can check using the /ip command in-game, then launching Resource Monitor if you’re on Windows 7 and look at latency for that connection in the TCP Connections area.

Oh my god the people at the Tequatl fight are kittening horrendous

Staff guardians walking around in mid range just banging auto attack like their lives depended on it, bless their hearts

laharl.8435:

Last night, pugging some Arah. Pugs stack range, I run in melee as usual. Misdodged the very first kick, there I was down at Lupi’s feet looking like an idiot.

Yeah, that’s my problem too. I want to yell at pugs for not running zerk, want to call them big dumb babies for ranging all the time and not using DPS builds, but then I almost always end up faceplanted at some point, and just feel like the biggest kitten that ever lived.

Fungalfoot.7213:

He needs to have his health cut in half if not more. While I don’t necessarily think he’s impossible to kill it’s unreasonable to expect the entire zerg to be packing ascended and exotics. Maybe it’s time for a decrease in the gear gap? Something needs to happen.

Yes, players need to get better.

He’s spawned twice now. Get over yourself.

Very good post, most open world PvEers need this info. Well done.

Vorch.2985:

Thanks

That’s good…and horrible. what kind of DPS do we need to put out?!

Well open world PvE players usually bring terrible gear, but since he’s an object all you need is power primary to max out your damage contribution. If you’re defending the turrets I’d bring much more, assassins/valk/zerk preferably.

I can’t overstate how helpful turret #4 skill is. Quickness for 8 seconds every 15 seconds, people. Use it!

Vorch: a redpost for the OP

Crystal Reid.2481:

Stacks of Hardened Scales do not reduce incoming damage. It is just a complete invulnerability at 20 stacks until the Bone Walls are killed.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/tequatl/Tequatl-s-scale-damage-reduction/first#post2856433

RyuDragnier.9476:

Broadicea.8294:

Kal Spiro.9745:

SirNikkolas.6273:

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/454437568

52:05 – Stacks cause invulnerable and summon the bone wall. The dev does not say anything about it reducing damage.

Um, it’s armor… what did you think it did? It just has the added effect of making him invulnerable if you leave it unchecked.

Using the turret #1 skill I was hitting for roughly the same amount at 3 stacks as I was at 15 (only 2 of us using #2 it seemed).

He gets a stack every 3-5 seconds. You can’t get rid of the stacks fast enough. Eventually he WILL become immune.

Nah. 6 turrets available to remove 6 stacks every 12 seconds? Do the math.

And after the first bone wall we started yelling at people, more starting using it and he coasted between 10-15 for the rest of the fight.

Kal Spiro.9745:

SirNikkolas.6273:

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/454437568

52:05 – Stacks cause invulnerable and summon the bone wall. The dev does not say anything about it reducing damage.

Um, it’s armor… what did you think it did? It just has the added effect of making him invulnerable if you leave it unchecked.

Using the turret #1 skill I was hitting for roughly the same amount at 3 stacks as I was at 15 (only 2 of us using #2 it seemed).

#1 Stake Thrower - Fires a stake, 1s recharge.

#2 Scale Penetration - Reduces his armor, 12s recharge

#3 Poison Cleanse (aoe) - 5s recharge

#4 Hylek Elixir (aoe) - pulses 1 stack might, fury, and quickness once per second for 8 seconds. 15s recharge

#5 Hylek Salve (aoe) - Protection, Regen, Vigor, 5.5s ,15s recharge

So keep #4 up on stacks of melee folks, keep #2 on Teq as much as possible, and attack him with #1 which does decent damage. It is paramount that you get good people on the turrets as soon as the event is starting.

SkyChef.5432:

What if Anet used different algorithm which is also including traits of a level 80s to adjust to level 35 level? I’m pretty sure that they know level 80s have 450 pts more than level 35s.

I’m sure that they know, the question is, did they care enough to take that into consideration and make more complex programming to account for it? Based on my observations over the last year, I’d say hell no.

There is a “report” feature, guaranteed if you’re going to sell spots you’ll get flagged pretty quickly. The only question is, are the reports read by a human, or by The Bot That Shall Not Be Named.

Nah taking low levels along to an explorable dungeon is a bad idea, and here are the reasons why. Firstly,

Mesket.5728:

Broadicea.8294:

Wearing bad gear automatically makes you a worthless bad player, full stop.

Unless you bring a puppeteer, your dead body on the floor makes you nothing at all.

I can spend half the run taking a nap, and if I’m doing double your dps…