Guild Wars 2

Dirame.8521:

I’ll just plop this here as well I guess with a bit more explanation;
The idea behind these suggestions is to give the Necro more POW! in the Blood magic line and also to give them a possibly potent Vampirism build.

First in the Blood magic line, Vampiric should become the Adept. Full of life and Blood to Power should be removed.

Replace full of Life with;

Satiated Appetite; Gain vigor when health stolen from a target reaches this threshold; 1000 health. 10s of vigor. (10s CD)

And replace Blood to power with;
- Spoil Victor; Steal more health the lower your health is.
Below 90% steal 5% more health
Below 75% steal 10% more health
Below 50% steal 15% more health
Below 25% steal 20% more health

Next we gut Mark of Blood;
- Lifebane Strike ; Life Blast steals health equal to it’s damage. 10s cooldown

Then we gut Quickening thirst;
-Vampiric Swarm; Locust Swarm also steals health and has a larger radius. Radius increase to 180. Gain Locust Swarm at 25% health.

Then we change what Deathly Invigoration does;
- For the first 3 seconds of entering deathshroud, Steal health from those that attack you. Steal up to 25% of your maximum health. 30s cooldown

And I believe just like that we might have created a potent vampirism spec. Or maybe I’m dreaming… I dunno.

No, that was pretty spot on and interesting to those who want to make a siphoning healing build

Sekhmet.6153:

I honestly don’t understand how people can always convince themselves that limiting options actually “increases” choice and customization.

You can say all you want about whether or not the changes will be good for the game, but you can’t claim that limiting a player’s options increases customization.

And here we go. It has been factually PROVEN that this new system won’t limit builds, but instead fixing the ones that didnt work or upset balance in game by either merging them or ridding it altogether. Add in a new weapon and elite specializations and you got a new set of builds to explore. Will some of them work? Sure. Will some be broken and useable? Knock youself out and think that.

Putting the cart before the horse. As it was said before you will have many different ways to your spec traits and not funneled into using just a select few. This is before Elites come into place. This gives further customization to your builds. Now how these will work out we shall see, but jumping the gun before we seen everything is typical impatience at work.

Ralanost.8913:

CodeHavoc.7926:

eekzie.5640:

Nothing wrong with a diversified way of getting into it.

It’s not like signing up and hoping for an invite isn’t RNG.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/claim-your-spot-in-the-next-heart-of-thorns-closed-beta/

But going into the world looking for rare portals is.

You are assuming that is the only way to get into beta. It won’t be. It’s an option. Instead of complaining, why don’t you participate and increase your chances?

If you didnt read my earlier post, I did say my time is currently limited, providing short moments where I can actually play.

I think Anet said something over a year ago on why they couldn’t provide GvG battles, I forget the article (someone post the link please.) They provided the Sanctum in WvW but it’s a boneyard unless two Guilds go over and paln accordingly. Still sucks there isnt a playlist that supports GvG instead of player created events.

eekzie.5640:

Nothing wrong with a diversified way of getting into it.

It’s not like signing up and hoping for an invite isn’t RNG.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/claim-your-spot-in-the-next-heart-of-thorns-closed-beta/

But going into the world looking for rare portals is.

Yeah, it seems linear on appearance only, but they have yet to cover Elite specs so I’m saving my judgement until then. It’s not as cookie cutter as you think it is, but whether those builds are good or kitten garbage we shall see.

This is a little rant saying "Really Anet? Really?! Ahem, allow me to explain. Shortly after the announcement of HOT the website allow people to participate in any future closed beta. I gladly signed up hoping I would get a key. Now it seems like they are going the RNG route again. My schedule is limited right now so I only have time to play in short bursts. (Military duties, yay >. <) So what happened to the beta keys?! Rant over.

Burjis.3087:

Dhuumfire:
I’m not sure where people got the idea that Dhuumfire is gonna apply only 1 second of burning, but if that’s the case, it’s not worth a grandmaster slot. I hope they keep it the same as it is, although the move to soul reaping is great.

From what I saw it added 1 1\2 seconds of burning and it stacked up to three for the same duration, which I do agree it’s a bit powerful so do expect those numbers to change slightly.

I don’t believe I seen a trait that reduces CD on Ds AND DS related skills. I suggest you just merge the two together. Im not sure how they can implement that but it would be a nice add on instead of choosing either or in a traitline. That way I can go with speed of shadows.

-Sidenote – If Signet of the Locust is now a Gm trait (I still disagree with it stealing health) I suggest it should work like a Dolyak signet (Reduced damage above X%) Beacause once again this skill doesn’t scale well and the healing received is horrible.

Edit: If this is now a GM trait, what happens to the 25% additonal run speed?

Elijah.1436:

I would like to see more builds instead of like 1 meta build. In Gw1 there were lots of recommended builds but at least there were many to choose from. So I hope we get to see some cool glass cannon builds, condition builds and builds that would require givers, knight’s or soldier’s gear.

+1 for that, unfortunately Anet has a lot of work to do with the existing skills to make builds more viable instead of just glass cannon. From the looks of the AmA I’m not too sure on whether or not they know what they’re doing.

Yeah the blinds usually help out a lot.

While I do appreciate actual feedback on the forums, please understand us when we feel like no one listened despite our suggestions, despite us saying “this doesn’t work, please fix it” Im really not sure whoever it was was in their right friggin mind when they put [Dhuumefire](a condition) in a power traitline?! To top it off, yesterday’s stream furthering our concerns for well over a year now because currently Necros doesn’t feel much of a class support or damage wise.

lordkrall.7241:

Do we really want a rushed release?

I don’t want a rushed released, at the same time I don’t want to wait until Early 2016 to actually play it.

You’re nit alone in the conspiracy depot. Almost everyone called it the day before the stream and it seems we’ve been all weeded into close to cookie cutter builds. Not they they didn’t give zero choice, but more to where it is undeniably limited. As for class balance I fully agree on the necro situation, my fear is Anet may be putting too much focus into the Elite specs without fixing the already rampant issues plaguing (lol) the class since launch.

Get rid of Zerckers/Assassins gear and this should dry up these kinds of posts. But until then, I’ll have the popcorn ready.

Sagat.3285:

biggs.4702:

ArenaNet have said they read forums and yet all this time we have been DYING to have better group utility, to be more desirable in organized groups, our concerns have not even been acknowledged, let alone addressed.

Here we are going through the biggest class changes since the game started and our desire for better group utility remains ignored.

But but the revenant.

It’s like they listened but not really!! Instead of fixing the current problems they build a new class instead! It’s brilliant!!! ._.

If you think the necromancer just got like this and wasn’t the epitome of useless classes, I suggest searching back to about over a year ago where we said the same thing, yet they didn’t listen

Bronze Knight.9231:

Halcyon.5340:

However, I feel like ALL the fall damage reduction traits in Specializations should be moved into one rune family.

Meh people would still complain about the loss of DPS as most of the stuff people want from runes is in the 6th rune.

Now if it were something you could put on a back item or trinket…..

It wouldn’t be used by 90% of user base simply beacause it isn’t zercker.

They changed little to nothing at all, sprinkle some skills that no one wanted ignore the DS issue completely and you have the Necromancer. It’s not like some of the changes are bad, but we still have no viabilty in group fights, high survivability but low damage unless you’re power spec and most importantly skills that are borderline useless or broken.

Garth Thurgen.1380:

Fade.1743:

So, you guys have some insight as to the exact changes for the Ice Bow other than what was said in the AMA yesterday?

Because all I heard is that they’re removing the cheese of push 4 then ignore. Considering the new, shiny Defiance bar…you don’t think that Ice Bow might end up doing something more than push a button to use before having an empty utility slot?

Yes, I think it can do something different than just push 4 then ignore. Sadly, that’s sort of just “push 5 then ignore” or “don’t use it at all.” Unless Deep Freeze becomes absolutely trash in the new system for breaking the Defiance Bar, it should still be possible to show up. However, unless the other skills are getting buffed (well… I’m really talking about the utter trash first two) then the skill is just going to be dropped entirely. Nerfing one of its two viable options doesn’t exactly go far in making an elemental weapon worth running, and it’s quite possible that the new systems in place completely render it gone from anyone’s builds.

To sum it up, it got the FGS nerf so it won’t do as much damage is it did no matter what your build is. It still may be viable in group content, but it wont the be all, end all in terms of utility weapons and rightfully so.

To add to the earlier post, we haven’t seen the GS skills yet either.

I think I read over 50 threads on Necro and it seems fairly mixed in general. One is in favor of the upcoming changes while the other side isn’t happy at all. I say let’s see what Anet brings elite specs. When will this happen? You know typical Anet tends to be more tight lipped now more than ever, no more than a “It’s coming soon.” So hold your judgement until then and wait it out. Hopefully while we’re still on this earth, Anet.

Not really a complaining or anything but it seems like every other class has some sort of run speed boost whether its a trait or Sigil, and I feel really slow when I play this class. So if you dont mind adding it in as a minor trait or most preferably adding to one of the existing sigils that would be nice thanks.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

It could be worse… you could be a necro. their fall damage trait now damages themselves and gives them 10s of weakness.

Two words: [Consume Conditions] but I see your point. They clearly gave skills to the most underused (borderline useless, lol) trait instead of focusing on things that are currently still crippling the Necro

ZudetGambeous.9573:

ESports is their baby. Even if 90% of their revenue came from PvE players they could really care less about it.

The way AMA went yesterday you can’t help but think that. “Are they balancing the around PvP or PvE?” I think the WvW crowd got hit the hardest though.

I don’t have a problem with fall damage reduction per say though I go into Death Shroud beforehand, but I do see your point. My suggestion would make it so its automaticly choosen when you spec into your respected spec traitline mine would be Blood Magic so you don’t exactly have to choose either or it being a waste of a minor trait that most people will just bypass anyway.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

ronpierce.2760:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I guess you listened to the presentation but didn’t watch it?

They showed off the new burning damage. based on the video it looks like it will take ~10 stacks of burning to equal 1 stack of current burning. It seemed to stack in a very odd manner. One stack did 320 dps… 2 stacks did 380 dps, 3 stacks did 440 dps. The damage formula must be different.

Did you check the durations? Tooltips were displaying total damage over the course of the condition.

I didn’t see the guardian part, but necro applied 1 stack of burning for 3.5 seconds on each life blast. The tick on a golem was 320 per tick for 1 stack, 380 for two stacks and 440 for 3 stacks.

Im sure they will nerf the Dhuumfire like they always do, but take into account the blast on top of the added burning stacks so to compensate lowering the burning damage to about lets say 280 per stack for a total of 840 burning damage per tick of course I left out the calcalations for runes that increase the burning damage.

It’s ok I guess, they still haven’t addressed the crippling issue of the Death Shroud as well as the siphoning health trait. I really hope they aren’t trying to short change us again like they usually do with Necro traits.

Edit: Forget I said anything about siphoning health, it’s a useless trait no matter how many times you “tweak” it.

Gern.2978:

There are a lot of good things about the new system, and a few really annoying things. The biggest annoyance is that it seems right now that the new system will kill build diversity.

And that’s where I disagree. Personally I don’t think there was any diversity, the only thing I see is the steadily creeping power curve. It completely ruined any type of build diversity. Why spend gold on being more tanky when you can get this zerker gear and kill that boss 20% faster? This new system isn’t going to kill the “zerker meta” I get that. But what it will do is make everything else more or just as viable to use.

Just up to date on the skill points or rather now “Hero points” going into specializations. How will this impact crafting in which skill points are used in some cases as currency to purchase items to use for mystic forge purposes?

We’ll have to see what on the livestream tomorrow. Will it be a bunch of vague answers to our questions or will it be the usual Anet “we can’t discuss that at this time” PR talk we’ve gotten used to for months since the announcement.

Kumion.7580:

From: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/specializations-part-one-a-primer/

“…a character will be able to select a single trait for each tier to help customize that specialization. By locking traits to tiers and reducing the overall number of traits, we’ve made each choice much more compelling.”

Locked by tier.

Sounds a lot like the old system where you had to put 30 trait points in the line in order to receive a Grandmaster, but even then you could only pick just one.

Centurion.7296:

Open world PvP!!!!!!!!!!!!
If 1 guild declared war against another one then they can kill members of eachother’s guilds in PvE exept in dungeons/fractals and big cities(safe zones)

One problem. There’s WvW for that, and even include Open world PvP Anet would have to make a PvP only server which makes the mega servers useless because the main purpose of the Megaserver in the first place was to put players from different instances of the same server into one map, not strip that away because a group wants to GvG in Queensdale.

1)When you say some skills are being reworked, what exactly do mean by that?

2) In the case of the Necromancer, can we expect the minion bug to be fixed with either new skills or traits?

3) We all know the necro has see better days, so how will specialization put it back in line with the other professions?

Necro was my first character and I love the ability to melt enemies with conditions. Along with minions (that got nerfed) you can face tank a champ and let the minions take the damage. As an added bonus, death shroud (nerfed since launch) is great for tagging multiple mobs. Sorry, can’t think of anything else since everything else is either nerfed or not feasible to even recommend using.

Taunting minions would be great in PvP, allowing they survive long enough to do so. The only thing they seem to have going for them is a target of a zerging warrior and on occasion a stun breaker.

ronpierce.2760:

CodeHavoc.7926:

Let me put it like this: There may be new skills tied with the specialization system that you can use with the Rev( Healing, Elites, etc), but it is in no way it will have a racially based legend. It seems pointless and hard to balance something like that across ALL races. As it was said before, its a profession not a race.

Engineer got unique racials due to class mechanism. It’s not totally out of the picture, though, unlikely that they will create special legends. The “profession not a race” argument has no point in this thread as it is simply asking how we will handle racials at all, not assuming we will get unique ones.

I wasn’t saying zero racial skills at all, just stating there won’t be any Legends for all classes. To put it like this: Let’s say every race DOES indeed have a legend. With every legend there are skills attatched. How in the world do you expect EVERY skill of EVERY racial based Legend to be balanced?

CodeHavoc.7926:

HOT is serving as a continuation of the Living Story Season 2 by adding a new map(s), bosses and other content for those who have already experienced it as well as people who are either new to the game or old players returning. You have to buy the expansion (Price:TBD) in order to access this content unfortunately.

You can follow this to find out more:

Q: What is the expansion bringing to the base game?

A: Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansive new MMO experience introducing unique features such as our re-envisioned character progression system. You can visit our website at http://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com for a full rundown of features, and be sure to check back regularly as we will continually reveal new details.

Let me put it like this: There may be new skills tied with the specialization system that you can use with the Rev( Healing, Elites, etc), but it is in no way it will have a racially based legend. It seems pointless and hard to balance something like that across ALL races. As it was said before, its a profession not a race.

HOT is serving as a continuation of the Living Story Season 2 by adding a new map(s), bosses and other content for those who have already experienced it as well as people who are either new to the game or old players returning. You have to buy the expansion (Price:TBD) in order to access this content unfortunately.

Andred.1087:

Oldirtbeard.9834:

This isn’t a demand for more information simply a request for more information.

FTFY.

I’ll tell you what I tell everybody. Get over it. Do you seriously not have anything better to do in your day than wonder what’s going on at ArenaNet right now? And do you really think they care if you’re not satisfied with the information they release? Nobody who’s already set on buying the expansion is going to suddenly change their mind because they’re unhappy about not knowing everything about it right now. Furthermore, having more information about the expansion is worth absolutely nothing. The only reason you and others are continually asking for this is that you’re impatient and, for whatever reason, believe you deserve to have more info. And what if you get it? Will that make you happy? Or will you just ask for more?

This is a L2W issue, i.e. “Learn 2 Wait”

It seems like one a week there is a post like “More Transparency” and while it is a valid concern to wonder what the heck is going on, but give it a break man, im sure they’re working themselves to death on it. Though they could give us a few pieces of info, like how much will this Xpack cost. Anet has improved its PR depot by introducing POI, Ready UP and a few other things. I’m not going to throw them under the bus, but at the same time it’s a valid concern to be left in the dark.

Palador.2170:

Thaddeus.4891:

Palador.2170:

Thaddeus.4891:

- I don’t know what the new utilities should be, but they should either replace spectral or minions skills (probably minions).

I truly hope they don’t replace minions. With my human necro, I tend to just rush in and fight with daggers, while my minions (hopefully) jump in and do damage as well. I’m really looking forward to using a greatsword, and having to choose between it and the minions would ruin my desire to play the specialization.

(Yes, I know what I described is not anywhere near the best setup for a Necro. But it’s fun for me.)

Specialization create new utilities that replace one of them. If you like how you play now, then don’t use the speciality, just keep the standard Necromancer.

I like how I play now, but I’d like it more if I had a heavy melee weapon to go with it.

Back to the topic of the thread, please note that we’ve seen just a couple of the legends in action so far. The other legends may have next to nothing to do with conditions, and result in many a Rev that has nothing in common with a Necro.

Actually, we’ve seen how Rev can out shine Necro, Guard and Warrior if played right, or did you not see the Rev on POI?

I’d imagine it would have to be big, not only horizontally, but vertically as well. I think they understand they cant pull out the ex pack and the map is basically Drytop but with higher verticality. As far as the price they never had the curtsey to even hint on a price for one reason. Rage and Backlash. The last thing they need is the community in an uproar before the thing even drops.

They didn’t say, matter of fact they say much at all about release or even what the cost might be.

Vargamonth.2047:

Cleansing or causing conditions? If it’s the second, forget about it for now (It may change or not with the expansion).

Cleansing condis. And im not sure when this Xpack is coming, it hasnt been announced yet and im not waiting on it right now.

I’m looking for a PvE only build that’s good with conditions and at the same time has a good amount of tankiness and power.

fracture.9754:

Short answer: no.
Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Necro isn’t in the best spot right now, and I play Necro as a main. I’d suggest Warrior or for a more interesting play style go for Elementalist.

Shaogin.2679:

Revenant having a legend to channel based on race would be cool, but it wouldn’t quite work the same as other professions. Such as our current ability to include a single racial ability into our build, instead of in the case of the Revenant channeling a racial legendary, where he’d be forced to take an entire bar of mostly useless racial skills.

The easiest way to implement the racial skills for Revenant is to allow racial skills to be slotted in like normal. However, the best way to implement would be to integrate those racial skills into the Revenant channeled legends as alternate options.

penelopehannibal.8947:

To be honest, I reckon they’ll just be as they are at the moment, with no change whichever legend you have equipped – unless they change racial skills for the other 8 professions as well for balance.

For example: A Norn Revenant will still be able to summon a wurm and turn into Raven just like a Norn Thief or a Norn Necromancer. Their Wurm & raven skill I reckon will only change under what legend you have if they change the way they work under other classes too (i.e. what attunement you have as an elementalist, what virtues you have charged as Guardian, how much adrenaline you have as Warrior etc), as otherwise they will still only be ‘racial’ skills for the traditional eight professions.

As it would be a bigger overhaul than it seems to keep racial skills balanced, I can’t see Revenants having more than one version of each of their racial skills, but I also can’t see revenants not having racial skills either.

Just plain out no to this. There is no reason for other professions to get something simply because another profession has it. That’s just childish. Since when has balance ever been associated with racial skills? Since when has anyone ever complained that Engineers get toolbelt abilities for each racial skill and no one else does? Just…..no.

Yeah, there is no way Rev is getting special treatment because it’s a new profession. The only thing I see “racial” is the healing skills.

My guess is it’ll be announced at some big upcoming event. We have plenty of them, E3 is around the corner so hopefully it’ll be announced soon and not drag into 2016 like some other MMO’s.