Guild Wars 2

Atoss.1056:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2CSt8xA8Yk

Deso

Spawn rushed twice #winning

Some of the guys from EXG and INVI do a brilliant job with pugs on EB. Anyone who tags up on BL maps, even though their zerg consists of four people, is a hero at the moment

Hickeroar.9734:

What the….I don’t even…

What if I like the current rating system?

then I’d pay for your transfer to Desolation to see how well it works

For a moment I thought the title was inferring that you wanted to fight VS (Vizunah Square).

You don’t want that.

Deniara Devious.3948:

It will be interesting to see when and who will rise to tier #1. Desolation is surely gonna stay in tier #1 for at least a week, even though judging from our coverage and numbers we would probably belong to tier #4 or #5.

Unless ANet change the system soon then it’ll be longer than a couple of weeks.

With out current coverage we’ll keep holding our own in EB with the occasional prime time presence in one of the BLs, so our score will be roughly the same as this week, and our rating won’t change much. So we’d have to hope that either SFR continue their resurgence and do even better next week (I seriously doubt they’d risk being ‘promoted’) or they drop off and let JS have a much stronger week, pushing their rating up instead. Neither is likely so nobody’s rating will threaten ours any time soon.

Dayra.7405:

In fact I don’t really think it’s double teaming against you, this is a match Elona vs Vizu with Deso spectating the match,

We’re not spectating, we’re actively doing your work for you. Like doing all the hard work to take Bay on Vizunah BL only for you to take over when it gets easy.

You’re welcome, by the way.

An entire map full of green towers and you go for ours. So frustrating.

Server A has a 60 man blob, no voice comms, one commander that some people stay near, people firing whatever skill they can whenever it comes off cooldown.

Serber B has a 30 man blob, all of them on the same teamspeak channel, two commanders, melee players following one commander and ranged following another, stays closely bunched, keeps up stability & vigour, makes proper use of boon removal, whirl finishers through light fields when pushing through, regularly pulls to the side to heal, buffs before pushing again, and so on.

Server B will win every single encounter.

I’ve been in fights where we’ve beaten bigger numbers because everyone on our side knew what they were doing; I’ve been in fights where we’ve been wiped by a smaller group because there was little or no organisation (or simply because the enemy were so good at what they do – RG still give me nightmares). The amount of people involved matters, but it’s only a deciding factor when both groups’ organisation (or lack thereof) is the same.

Dolyak rune is a waste of time. The level 6 bonus is 30 health per second, which is nothing, especially when you have high HP.

To get the most out of Soldier runes stick shouts in every utility slot, and use Vigorous Shouts (Tactics XII) for some nice synergy.

But for me, I’d recommend you use Melandru runes instead, with Dogged March (Defence II). Combine that with food that reduces condition duration. Poultry and Leek Soup is quite cheap and gives -36% conditions (Lemongrass Poultry Soup gives -40% but is like 8s each and just not worth the extra money). Any movement conditions that hit my warrior simply melt off before they hinder me, and others disappear much faster than normal too. The plus side of this is that you hardly have to worry about condition removal any more – though I still keep a warhorn with Quick Breathing (Tactics IX) just in case. This allows me to use a lot more useful utility skills.

I run a build very similar to the Deseigification one above, and for me Sentinels equipment is great. The groups that win fights are the ones who survive the longest… and who has the best commander, of course (also a commander who keeps dying isn’t helping anybody). Yes, you can be condition heavy, but what use is that when conditions are removed? Yes, you can be crit-heavy, but what use is that when you miss/have confusion/hit someone with retaliation? The most organised zergs will run melee players in one group and ranged in another – as a hammer warrior, you’ll be at the vanguard pushing right through the enemy and it’s your job to stay alive whilst the ranged do the damage. As a hammer warrior, what you bring to the group is knockdowns, knockbacks, stuns, immobilize etc – controls, not pure damage. So investing in pure damage is missing the point, if you want to do that go for a greatsword. Too much HP is a waste of time in PvE, but WvW is completely different, and you need to survive amongst all else.

So close >_<

Unfortunately GD spoiled our fun.

majessive.8910:

Well, if you think you have to defend Vizu

Oh, yes. The last three months have given us nothing but love & admiration for Vizunah.

And further to the above, I hadn’t heard of GD before but they certainly looked formidable & organised. It’s just a shame for them they aren’t going to be able to face the likes of RG and VOTF.

Liquid.9672:

Yep. Been happening since the patch as far as I can tell. You fall down, take no damage, then fall again after a few steps and the damage registers. Pretty annoying bug but not game breaking.

It’s kind of gamebreaking when you’re not quite sure if a jump will damage you or not, jump, take no damage, think you’re fine, do another jump and then the damage suddenly applies mid-air and you fall dead on the ground.

Spiffytool.9370:

This could be a solution approach:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Suggestion-WvW-2-0/first#post2000731

I do not say my system is perfect rather i want to start a WvW change process together with you.

I’ve made a similar proposal before, though mine was merely reducing the amount of tiers to three and your opponents would be randomly drawn from the other 8 in your tier.

However, that fits nicely for Europe but not so well for NA, where there are 24 servers. You could split it to four tiers, which wouldn’t provide enough variety, or two tiers, which would provide too much and lead to unbalanced matchups.

Good start for ER tonight

The real test comes at night, though – you really need to make sure you’ve got a large group together to combat the Vizblob

You can upgrade them to Superior Flame Dolyaks which can hold off entire your typical Vizunah 3am zerg

He’s right though, dollies are way OP

Such a shame everyone crashed just when Viz were on the backfoot.

Are any of the SFR guys planning a special goodbye just before the reset?

Arx.4237:

I ve seen some of you requiring a “fair fight”. I don’t understand that. Make a GvG if you want a fair fight, it s not that hard to organize. But we are talking here about wvw, in the T1 europe. The purpose is to bash the ennemy by any way allowed by the game and the common sense.

I’d understand your point if death was final in this game. But it isn’t. You get defeated, go to a waypoint, repair for 1.6s and everyone’s ready to go again.

You’ve no idea how frustrating it is to get stomped by ten people when you know full well they would run away if you had nine allies alongside you. Conversely you’ve probably little idea what a great feeling it is when you chase off a larger group. The very best fights in WvW are the ones where you’ve got a 50/50 chance, or worse, but you still stand your ground. Taking undefended towers has nothing on that.

I won’t be happy until I can ride on a Dolyak.

VOLKON.1290:

What I find strange with the Glicko thing is that you can win your match yet lose points overall because your win wasn’t as “macho” as the prior week. It’s a very odd system.

Glicko (and other Elo-like systems) is a way of assessing a competitor’s overall strength compared to everyone else. It’s a perfectly fine system when used like that.

However in WvW you’re locked in matchups against other servers in your tier, so you’re only ever being compared against those servers, therefore the longer a matchup continues the less the score reflects the competitor’s strength against everyone else.

The current scores suggest Deso is strong than Elona Reach, but I don’t think anyone really believes that at all, not as things are right now. If the Glicko system were able to use results of Deso vs a number of other servers then there would be a much more accurate rating. But it can’t, so there isn’t.

If Mr Carver is acknowledging this weakness in the system & bringing more variety to matchups then that’s fantastic. Unfortunately it looks like coming a few weeks to late for the Deso community.

I think people could put up with the various gameplay issues if it weren’t for the monotony, the prospect of knowing the same unbalanced matchup awaits you at the next reset.

With Elona coming up and the above issues with Viz then perhaps next week will be a slightly more different experience, but I don’t think it’d be enough to get me playing regularly again.

Junkpile.7439:

We are stupid and actually cap stuff. Better idea would be tic +0 and just kill frenchies whole time.

But they’ll just sit in their towers until enough of you leave. C’mon, surely you know by now it’s impossible to get a fight unless they have bigger numbers

ethier.3417:

The Velocity Corporation has now opened a new department, To strike fear and sorrow to previous and current enemy’s
Velocity Corporation is proud to announce The Velocity Terrorist Department. Our first attack was done today at Zero Hundred Hours by a brave Velocity Member, Setting fire to VZ LA Bank, May the WvW God honor him with a Pre-cursor in his next loot bag.

http://i.imgur.com/RZt56G7.jpg

Some men just want to watch the World vs World burn.

May as well throw this in here

Just tried Grenth on Deso. As soon as the mobs appeared on Jonez in the final phase he got destroyed.

frostshade.3617:

Look at na t7 matchup right now.. that’s what I would call balanced and many other tiers are fairly similar in balance… upsetting the balance with a reset might put a t8 vs any t1-3 do you think the t8 server would enjoy that just a small example

I agree wholeheartedly, there shouldn’t be an entire reset just because things are a nightmare for us on Deso. It’s not fair on the great majority of WvW players.

But it is a sign that something is completely wrong with the score/tier system. All it needs is some variety in matchups – I’m looking through the weekly results in NA over the past two months, there’s almost no changes in tiers at all. You can’t tell me that facing the same servers and the same guilds every week over and over and over again is fun.

The way the scores work is this – it takes your past results, and uses complex maths to assess how your match should finish. This is then compared against your actual score – if you do better than expected your ranking points go up, if you’re worse then it goes down. Deso gets battered by Vizunah, our score goes down, but so does the system’s expectation… so the following week we’re supposed to get thoroughly beaten. When the inevitable happens, our score doesn’t even change, in spite of the massive gulf between the servers. The only way Deso can go down is if we tried extremely hard one week so that the expectation goes up, then literally everyone stops playing the next week so it goes down much further. That’s insane.

All I ask is for the system to allow some variety in opponents. Deso is at a low ebb, maybe we wouldn’t even be a match for T2 servers right now. I’d just like a chance to find out by facing them directly, and taking a break from the zombie hordes, if just for a week.

Wanderer.3248:

Daecollo.9578:

So my thief just downed a ranger.

After almost downing it, the rangers pet interrupts me, then starts chasing me around as I try and kill it. Then downs me with a 6k hit.

Then it proceeds to rez the downed ranger, then they both destroy me.

Fun fun fun!

What kind of thief doesn’t use shadow refuge before stomp?

Edit: and follow up with dance.

Don’t pets still follow stealthed players?

The higher level the enemy, the more it changes its priority for first target. High-end mobs tend to go for ranged or highest DPS before anything else. As a ranger you’ll probably be using a bow, and you’ll do more DPS than your pet, so they go after you.

As far as I know it’s always been thus.

Does a Ranger’s Whirling Defence block them, too?

Last night’s WvW experience…

Burl.9567:

This looks to only be a EU problem. NA is actually pretty good right now.

EU was great last month. But then for a couple of reasons the balance vanished, yet we’re still stuck in T1 getting thrashed every day when in all honesty we should be in T2 or T3. Guilds leave and the server’s community suffers, week after week, all because of this absurd scoring/tier system.

Now I actually like Elo-like systems, they’re a great way of assessing the strength of a competitor against others. But they only work when you’re tested against various opponents of varying strength. When you’re only ever being tested against the same thing over and over and over and over and over again the system falls flat on its kitten

I don’t see why you’re only ever facing the opponents in the same tier – obviously we don’t want to see Viz vs Vabbi, but switch it up so you can face opponents within a few ranks of you instead. I really enjoyed the early days when you had no idea who you were going to face on a reset.

The conditions that lead to stagnation are right there, and if the balance shifted too far one way in NA the same thing can happen there too.

p.s. and no I don’t want to leave Deso. I like the community – I like knowing which commanders are worth following & which aren’t, I like knowing the playstyle, the strong UK presence, the people that fought on despite the problems last November, the people who dedicated so much time to keeping us going; we may have finished 3rd each time but we gave ‘em a bloody good match every week. I don’t care about winning, I care about enjoying the game, but if the community goes then there’s nothing left to enjoy.

I don’t want to be some bloody mercenary hopping servers knowing that the long-term players resent me because I’ll just abandon them in a month.

Lifewaster.5912:

I can confirm from testing ingame it works as follows:

Enemy hits gate…waypoint immediately becomes contested unusable.
30 seconds later, white swords appear on keep.

I’m sick of FoW’s massive zerg and 24hr coverage

Gutted, missed my lootbags

Vash.9183:

Volkon, I’m thinking this update was more focused on the small teams. This way, they can have 30 more seconds before a zerg might notice what they’re doing…

Stop crying.

A small group taking 5 minutes to get a door down will have a 30 second head start.

A large group taking 2 minutes to get a door down will have a 30 second head start.

Who’s being helped here?

Malediktus.9250:

wish.1027:

Malediktus.9250:

Its not uncommon to have rushes with 20-60 golems on my server.

lol…..

60 golems is not a joke. it takes hour to set up because of the supplies, but it happens from time to time on elona reach

Can you please hurry up and get promoted? You’ll enjoy Golem Wars 2 against Viz.

Goodbye, focus, my old friend. Those trebs you kept alive will miss you.

ItIsFinished.9462:

Durzlla.6295:

I always love seeing warriors getting ready to kill shot when I’m on my staff ele, my Mesmer, my engi, or my ranger while using axe/axe… So essentially everything I play! Oh reflect how I LOVE you…

I seriously think I chuckle everytime I see a warrior get on one knee….

The sneakiest warriors roll an Asura, so you can barely tell what the midgets are doing

You can craft zerker gear, buy it on the TP; you can’t craft PVT, you need to spend lots of karma or badges. There’s a reason for that.

Hyung.6140:

It was a football match from the lower divisions – Stockport County versus Tranmere Rovers, two teams down on their luck.

As possibly the only County fan who plays GW2 I’d just like to say this is understatement of the century. We’d struggle against Vabbi.

Xispeo.1706:

Actually SFR and Deso blobs are quite often much bigger than ours.

No. No no no no no no no. That sentence couldn’t be more wrong if you’d rolled your forehead on the keyboard instead.

SFR and Deso blob, but never anything larger than what we see from Vizunah, and nobody can match multiple blobs on each map & 70-man blobs at 3am.

Thimill.9162:

CorliCorso.6254:

Not unless you outnumber then 4:1 you’re not.

Drq is polish, he will be probably drunk and bawl “Oh my god ! My eyes ! I see 4 Soibo !” on TS.
So 4:1, yeah it’s good !

To be fair, it does appear that you’re all mesmers. That would explain retreating at every opportunity for what appears to be an even-numbered fight I’ve seen for weeks.

Thimill.9162:

Darkman.1257:

(Mark Soibo so we can hunt him down! kitten)

AHAHAHAH !
I’m gonna move with a golden hylek potion so you will find me even in a zerg ! :p

I’M READY MY FRIEND !

Not unless you outnumber then 4:1 you’re not.

This guy’s is rather apt…

Can I just congratulate Vizunah on managing to fit the entire population of France in Stonemist tonight. Plenty of good times were had.

Atoss.1056:

GG…
Just a few sec before viz attack… They still failed to take it at 1st try, but the 10-15 golems later was overkill.
Ofc by some accident we had the same thing a few min later in Veloka tower, someone accidently bought mortarts upgrade leaving us with 50 supply, just a few min before golems came… (at least we killed all golems)…

That must have been after somebody took all our golems out of Overlook and into the jumping puzzle.

They’re not even subtle about these things.

Witzard.6829:

Vizu homemap crashed 10 min ago, while we were getting bay

there’s some kind of a bug with Bay. More than once I’ve been part of a group where we’ve been going for the keep, got to the inner main door and half the people crashed.

The insistence on having servers play only the two closest matched servers is completely and utterly flawed, and has led to stagnation at almost every level.

The whole point of ELO and similar rating systems is to judge a competitor against as wide a range of opponents as possible. If you put three competitors together and make them fight over and over and over and over again then results will always even out. T1 is supposed to be the best there is, but this week it’s turned in to a mockery as two servers have essentially given up for the time being. What else is there to do? It’s stagnated, and looking down the ladder it seems to be a similar story elsewhere. There’s few servers changing tiers.

Meatsneeze.3980:

If you were in EB and got killed by a Warrior in only boots tonight and got dropped a flameram ontop of you. I am proud to announce that it was me! Hope you liked the show.

You, sir, need to learn how to kill in style

Sird.4536:

CorliCorso.6254:

Sird.4536:

CorliCorso.6254:

Empyre.2531:

Xispeo.1706:

All right, so if SFR is not winning this week’s match this is ANet fault…. oO

Yes, because of how the server works. It’s wvw focused guilds that interact with eachother. There were hardly any “useless” pugs, those that weren’t in the main zerg were doing scouting, camp flipping etc.
Now add +2h on the queues we had before, guilds can’t get their raids in anymore. The basis on how the server operated was ripped apart by ANet’s decision to make the #1 EU wvw server free to transfer to.

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Viz can handle pugs because of its structure, SFR’s structure isn’t meant to handle pugs. Then you flood us with them. Result known.

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Another funny aspect I found reading through posts here. “Vizunah is on fire”, ye you are on fire when the other server is weak, when a strong opponent arises you are in hibernation or close to falling over (Troma’s call to arms after commanders quit due to not winning anymore/ “burn out”).

Yes, SFR got blindsided by the influx of free transfers. We get that. We got it fifty pages ago and we got it every single page since. Nobody cares about what tools you’re given, only how you use them. You’re facing adversity, all we want to see is how you sort it out. Viz have pulled themselves out of their malaise this week in remarkable fashion yet all you do disparage them for it.

And go back 50 pages and you will see people saying we are trying to get them in ts to coordinate, we have a SFR academy guild set up to train them. But if these guys dont listen and flame us trying to help them then whats left? People came here not for wvw but to leech of our success because it was free. We have had pugs before these transfers and together we got to tier one. These guys were our eyes and ears on the battlefield. However the vast majority of these new folks do nothing. Our home bl haa never been dominated like it has been before the transfers, in fact SFR has never been dominated like this for 5 weeks before the transfers. Unless your on SFR then you will not know how we worked.

Yes, we got that from every previous page. We don’t want to hear about it any more, we want to know what the SFR community is going to do about it. Viz went through a slump for several weeks then rallied. Are you going to take a break, wait for these ambivalent pugs to get their map completion, wait for them to get bored with losing then try & get back on board again in a few weeks? Are you going to jump ship at the first sign of troubled waters? (seafaring puns completely intended)

But please, for goodness’ sake, don’t given us dozens more pages of telling us how SFR would be winning if only everything was exactly how they want it to be.

Um TS…. SFR academy… read before you post.

And as far as VcY are concerned well we have already started moving to the next super power VABBI!

Not really what I asked about, unless ‘SFR Academy’ is a indirect way of saying “yes, we promise to stop whinging about pugs now.”

Vabbi is a good choice, I must admit; their community has fought on in the face of constant defeat, so they’ll be better prepared to cope once you abandon them for someone else. Living the dream!

Sird.4536:

CorliCorso.6254:

Empyre.2531:

Xispeo.1706:

All right, so if SFR is not winning this week’s match this is ANet fault…. oO

Yes, because of how the server works. It’s wvw focused guilds that interact with eachother. There were hardly any “useless” pugs, those that weren’t in the main zerg were doing scouting, camp flipping etc.
Now add +2h on the queues we had before, guilds can’t get their raids in anymore. The basis on how the server operated was ripped apart by ANet’s decision to make the #1 EU wvw server free to transfer to.

---

Viz can handle pugs because of its structure, SFR’s structure isn’t meant to handle pugs. Then you flood us with them. Result known.

---

Another funny aspect I found reading through posts here. “Vizunah is on fire”, ye you are on fire when the other server is weak, when a strong opponent arises you are in hibernation or close to falling over (Troma’s call to arms after commanders quit due to not winning anymore/ “burn out”).

Yes, SFR got blindsided by the influx of free transfers. We get that. We got it fifty pages ago and we got it every single page since. Nobody cares about what tools you’re given, only how you use them. You’re facing adversity, all we want to see is how you sort it out. Viz have pulled themselves out of their malaise this week in remarkable fashion yet all you do disparage them for it.

And go back 50 pages and you will see people saying we are trying to get them in ts to coordinate, we have a SFR academy guild set up to train them. But if these guys dont listen and flame us trying to help them then whats left? People came here not for wvw but to leech of our success because it was free. We have had pugs before these transfers and together we got to tier one. These guys were our eyes and ears on the battlefield. However the vast majority of these new folks do nothing. Our home bl haa never been dominated like it has been before the transfers, in fact SFR has never been dominated like this for 5 weeks before the transfers. Unless your on SFR then you will not know how we worked.

Yes, we got that from every previous page. We don’t want to hear about it any more, we want to know what the SFR community is going to do about it. Viz went through a slump for several weeks then rallied. Are you going to take a break, wait for these ambivalent pugs to get their map completion, wait for them to get bored with losing then try & get back on board again in a few weeks? Are you going to jump ship at the first sign of troubled waters? (seafaring puns completely intended)

But please, for goodness’ sake, don’t given us dozens more pages of telling us how SFR would be winning if only everything was exactly how they want it to be.

Empyre.2531:

Xispeo.1706:

All right, so if SFR is not winning this week’s match this is ANet fault…. oO

Yes, because of how the server works. It’s wvw focused guilds that interact with eachother. There were hardly any “useless” pugs, those that weren’t in the main zerg were doing scouting, camp flipping etc.
Now add +2h on the queues we had before, guilds can’t get their raids in anymore. The basis on how the server operated was ripped apart by ANet’s decision to make the #1 EU wvw server free to transfer to.

---

Viz can handle pugs because of its structure, SFR’s structure isn’t meant to handle pugs. Then you flood us with them. Result known.

---

Another funny aspect I found reading through posts here. “Vizunah is on fire”, ye you are on fire when the other server is weak, when a strong opponent arises you are in hibernation or close to falling over (Troma’s call to arms after commanders quit due to not winning anymore/ “burn out”).

Yes, SFR got blindsided by the influx of free transfers. We get that. We got it fifty pages ago and we got it every single page since. Nobody cares about what tools you’re given, only how you use them. You’re facing adversity, all we want to see is how you sort it out. Viz have pulled themselves out of their malaise this week in remarkable fashion yet all you do disparage them for it.

I stumbled upon RG-VOTF randomly, glad I did as it was great entertainment. I particularly enjoyed the surprise Vizblob & joining Seafarers onlookers in wiping them