Guild Wars 2

With such high rank these are the highest skilled players in wvw.

DevonCarver.5370:

Season 1 is going forward as we described, however nothing about future seasons is set in stone. We’ll take a look at the data we get from the first season and will absolutely make adjustments so that future seasons are even better than the first one.

My concern with four leagues is simply that there isn’t enough variety at that point. I could very well be wrong, but we are going to try season 1 this way and then we’ll take a look at how it played out.

ok, we can all accept this. But you guys already have data on this. Youve already seen server 6 demolish server 11. And server 2 murder server 4. This was just last week. What new data do you need?

Current system gives enough “variety”. Leagues add nothing.

So I take It everyone is as pumped as I am?!?!?my login hours are THROUGH THE ROOF

You can’t ask devs for direct reply so it got removed….. round 2!!!!

racta.4250:

No.

Ascended gear is a good way to keep the progression of your character going. I want my character to be my character, not seperate between wvw, pve, and pvp. Creating more separation via scaling down gear just makes me feel more disconnected to the world. The stat separation of ascended vs exotic is not large enough to warrant it not taking part in wvw.

guess what, you still have all your fancy ascended gear. Just not a statistical advantage over others and will have to beat them with “skill” or “builds”

crazy huh?

I cant understand why people demand they get higher stats on gear just cause they sat on a computer longer. PvP is supposed to be skill based, not time based. You know, what GW2 was supposed to be about

Check out these matches where the low levels get to test their skills vs the high coverage servers.

i would love to hear EVERYONES thoughts on why leagues are good for the whole of WvW. I mean if 4 cant even compete with rank 2…. what are 5+ rank servers supposed to do?

PS bonus points for bringing up how the bloodlust buff will help low coverage servers and balance

Littlefeather.8623:

Any one with over 3.5k armor does not get hit for over 6k period.

It is condition spamz that armor has no affect on, low HP classes should be given the best conditon removals in the game, high HP classes should be given the lesser ones. Give guardians better condi removal, some that will not take up slots/traits for our build, as it is now, we can not keep up with the condi spamz and deal decent dmg, unlike necros.

i have a screenshot of a 5k CnD and a 8.1K backstab on my warrior who has 3300+ armor…. so ya

Shemsu.8721:

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Does it make much difference in WvW? Will I have to grind for this gear in order to be competitive? I haven’t done any sort of PvP in this game(thinking about trying it), but I was under the impression that everyone was going to be equal in PvP, where skill mattered and you didn’t have to worry about gear.

You have alot of mistaken assumptions in your post. Everyone is equal stat wise in PvP this is correct. WvW is NOT pvp, its a pve enviroment that allows pvp, you use PVE gear and PVE stats, it is designed to be unfair, unequal the entire system is based on it. If you want fair and even, goto pure pvp, structured and tourneys not WvW. in addition ascended weapons do not add as much as some people claim, 10%? how is an extra 4 points of power 10% increase? Most chars i know run with a minimum of 2000 power, 4 points is more like a .2% increase. Not much, the base damage increase is greater, but still mostly irrelevant considering the strong condition meta that exists, and it should be noted, condi builds benefit almost nothing from ascended weapons (since in 99% of cases the +4 condi wont put them over the next tier of damage so they will do the exact same amount of damage)

I love how people defend this. haha

“It was designed to be unfair”

oh really… haha. thats your excuse to why they put the bare minimum effort into WvW?

also people have already done tests, and an ascended dagger, for example, on a thief, would be doing 5700 per crit, vs 5200. so an extra 200-500 dmg per hit is a pretty big deal. wep dmg goes through crit dmg multipliers, hence 50 dmg = big deal

but hey, grind wxp to get more stats, use that bloodlust buff to get even more stats, then get ascended armor and weapons and bamo! youll have their intended “unfairly designed game”

lets design a game where one side has a big disadvantage, itll be awesome and fun and people will love it

this makes sense, so it will never be implemented. people who play 6 hours a day will say "omg no! DONT LET PEOPLE BE EQUAL.

then I’d just have to outplay them and make better builds :’("

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Right now, the Empyreal Fragments and Dragonite Ore seem to be a little too easy* to get. Capping Towers and Camps in WvW give a lot of Empyreal Fragments, while taking Keeps gives you Dragonite Ore. Then you have World Bosses and Jumping Puzzles that can be farmed daily for these two mats. With all these sources of rare material, it seems to be speeding up the Ascended weapon crafting.

As I understand, Ascended weapons were meant to take a long time to make. Getting from lv 400 to lv 500 Crafting is in itself an expensive task. But once you hit lv 500, you can start making your weapons. Spirit Residue and Mithrillium are already gated, so why not all the other Ascended mats?

In my opinion, there should be some reductions to the drop rates of Empyreal and Dragonite mats. I don’t know if such rare Ascended mats were intended to be that easy* to get. (* easy as in more common that usual)

are you kidding me? just…. what? people play games to have fun… not grind mats to make things….. just….

wow. and you want people to be forced to add more false grindy things? these are the gear > skill people. Lots of us want equal stat, easy to acquire gear, and actual challenge in PvP.

awesome, i do more dmg now!

awesome, they gave new mobs more health and this is all pointless!

awesome!

I find it funny how the people who are likely playing 6+ hours a day and remarking how easy it is.

:l

Well duh if you grind your life away on the game. People are mad because gw2 was supposed to be the opposite of this.

people who dont want “fair fights” are the people who consistently lose in 1v1 situations or small groups. Hence they want their crutches to use and rely on, like ascended gear or buffs.

I used to 1v1 all the time but i stopped since all the balance changes were just screwing with everything and now ascended crap

they treat wvw like a PvE Mode. balance doesnt matter

Lurch.9517:

balance does not exist, spvp only barely exists, WvW will shortly not exist… Only PVE exists in this game and anyone who says different is desperately clinging to a false hope.

this… sad and true

saiyr.3071:

CrassBippy.4619:

So, once leagues start…. there wont “be any updates” to help uh, “keep things stable… or something?”

Are leagues just a reason to excuse the fact that WvW is not a real gametype?

or am i just cat hot dog hammock

you are cat hot dog hammock

You couldn’t even kill avatar melandru furious. Get on my level

YOU GUYS BETTER STRAP Into THE SkiLL ROLLERCOASTER. NOW WITH MOAR DAMAGE ARRRGGGGG

Yes! I just read about bloodlust! THIS IS AWESOME INTENSE!!

I can’t wait to test my skill vs jade quarry with their +150 to all stats!.

This is like Christmas totally porked new years and I get to watch!

They were nice enough to put the real reason for this in the post.

“This means you will be able to transfer worlds prior to loading in the first time and still be eligible for the rewards of your new world”

Thanks for the clarification! buys so many gems lolz

Haha just read the post. Leagues + no major changes during them. good luck last ranked servers, this is your true test of skill!

So, once leagues start…. there wont “be any updates” to help uh, “keep things stable… or something?”

Are leagues just a reason to excuse the fact that WvW is not a real gametype?

or am i just cat hot dog hammock

kinda obvious wvw is a lame step child. its been a year, all weve gotten is PvE imbalance. get what fun you have left out of the game and just leave, its not getting better. trust me on that one

Wryog.5073:

I think that limiting everyone to exotic gear(probably doable) is absolutely fine. Most of the GvGers I’ve met don’t like ascended at all.

thats what i wished they would have done from the start. make all ascneded go down to exotic stats when entering WvW. at least keep things sorta ok stat wise. but meh, lets keep climbing

Wryog.5073:

CrassBippy.4619:

style.6173:

If they do make it, I sure hope it is not in PvP. It fits much better in the WvW space where there are more options of gear and food choices. PvP is not strategic enough.

haha yes it is…. all the same builds you make in WvW you can make in SPvP. they just dont have the way too high stats. You know, actually having to make important build choices and picking and choosing what to be good at.

Though I guess that isnt strategic enough for 2 groups of 20 players to just train into each other and spam skills.

ENORMOUS EYE ROLL

You have absolutely no idea how limited sPvP is, do you? What if I want 3 pieces of carrion, 2 pieces zerk and the rest soldier?(random gear BTW, don’t take it seriously) What about the food buffs, balance differences(there’s one trait that makes the difference between day and night for staff eles for example) and the forced transformation of crit damage on all amulets into a defensive stat? Knight gear in PvE is also T/p/p, not V/p/p. Valk also has switched toughness for vitality and the healing is crit damage.
Have you ever gone out of sPvP to at least look at the level 80 gear?

i WvW… thats mostly all I do. WvW is an unbalanced mess because of the things you listed, food buffs, higher stats and dmg, now ascended weps will add even more. It is in no way a true balanced test of skill.

especially if its 20v20. Might be fun, but its just a trainwreck. and itll never catch on as something that people would even enjoy watching.

take this for example, how is this engaging? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RF-NPKmWI4

just people running in a conga line spamming skills.

guys guys guys. obviously rank 24 can beat rank 13. gee willickers! They get to test their skill vs higher ranked people!

i remember just last week i jumped into 20 people and tested all their skillz! it was so much fun!

Fun!

here it comes

fun!

WATCH OUT!

OH GOD ITS EVERYWHERE

style.6173:

If they do make it, I sure hope it is not in PvP. It fits much better in the WvW space where there are more options of gear and food choices. PvP is not strategic enough.

haha yes it is…. all the same builds you make in WvW you can make in SPvP. they just dont have the way too high stats. You know, actually having to make important build choices and picking and choosing what to be good at.

Though I guess that isnt strategic enough for 2 groups of 20 players to just train into each other and spam skills.

ENORMOUS EYE ROLL

DevonCarver.5370:

skeet.1390:

So do 4 leagues in NA. This eliminates the enormous population difference from server 1 to server 12 and 13 to 24.

If you really think the server that is ranked 12th at the start of this stands any chance against the top servers you are delusional.

I never said they did. However, I’d argue that they do in fact stand a chance against the 6th ranked server and the 5th ranked server. We are not trying to only ever match you up against your closest comparable server. That was what was happening with the system before and it was bad. If you are saying you don’t ever even want the chance to try and show your skill against a higher ranked server, then I don’t know what to say.

We will continue to look into ways to change scoring to try and even out some of the population based imbalances, but that is not an easy task and it won’t happen during the season.

Why not make it so that the “matchup” for the league is on Saturday. a 24 hour time period where it matters. change it so servers reset on sunday after that “24 hour league match”. so leading up to that it is like practice, and then the 24 hour time period is the actual ranking/decide a winner.

only possible way youll have anything even remotely fair to have it be more “skill based”

Viking Jorun.5413:

CrassBippy.4619:

Norelation.3067:

cillercammy.8064:

I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!

-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.

-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will not matter.

-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).

The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.

in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

Thank god a voice of reason exists in this thread. I was considering answering all of the crazy tinfoil hat claims that have been expressed so far myself. Ascended gear was supposed to be a tier in the initial release of the game for the love of all that is fluffy. In a year, if they’re implementing a NEW set of gear, then I will find the wacky doomsayer, coolaid drinking mania a slight bit more reasonable. Instead you should be glaring at the time gating on the new gear. There’s a bit more reason for eyebrow raising in that decision.

It was supposed to be in release but its taken over a year to implement (and theyve still had misteps)? You seriously believe that? This decision was made by the higher ups to help keep the care bears and make more money. It was not planned for release.

No, they’ve been slowly releasing it to give people a goal aside from legendaries to work for while they work on adding more permanent content and other reasons to keep playing.

i love how you say “goal.” This is the very definition of a treadmill, there should be other reasons to play a game. for me its WvW. If youre only way to keep people playing is by giving them higher levels of gear, theres a problem, and its against everything they have said from the start.

Which just proves my point of anet being told they need to do this to keep players and make money. You realize that they could have added all this new content as just skins for weapons and no stat increase. made it so equipment would do different effects for fractals, or PvE content. and not ruin WvW balance just so Tommy can spend weeks on his shiny new sword that lets him do more damage to the brainless npcs

Norelation.3067:

cillercammy.8064:

I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!

-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.

-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will not matter.

-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).

The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.

in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

Thank god a voice of reason exists in this thread. I was considering answering all of the crazy tinfoil hat claims that have been expressed so far myself. Ascended gear was supposed to be a tier in the initial release of the game for the love of all that is fluffy. In a year, if they’re implementing a NEW set of gear, then I will find the wacky doomsayer, coolaid drinking mania a slight bit more reasonable. Instead you should be glaring at the time gating on the new gear. There’s a bit more reason for eyebrow raising in that decision.

It was supposed to be in release but its taken over a year to implement (and theyve still had misteps)? You seriously believe that? This decision was made by the higher ups to help keep the care bears and make more money. It was not planned for release.

i see, you raise a valid point. let me ponder this

Why have you guys not just locked WvW stats at exotic from the get-go and then balanced the game separately? hereby creating a competitive and fun environment?

Why has it been deemed all the vertical progression is necessary for WvW?

i think im done with GW2 now. trinkets were a downhill slope, then they added wvw skills to add more vit and dmg for people who just grind all day. now looking at even more dmg and unbalanced garbage for WvW.

sad part is that they could have just locked WvW at exotic stats and then balanced the game…. but nope…. lets just go cray cray and ruin it for giggles

It totes will.

Finally we are getting ascended weapons so we can actually start doing some damage in this game. I’m so sick of all these tiny dmg #s.

Three cheers for our balance overlords!

I’d give arena net tens of twenties! Of dollars for a 2v2 deatchmatch

saiyr.3071:

Evalana.5480:

saiyr.3071:

Evalana.5480:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

saiyr.3071:

Evalana.5480:

saiyr.3071:

ChapDev.7650:

So..uhm what is up with the Borlis players randomly inviting people who kill them to parties then not saying anything? It’s really kind of weird. :/

Just imagine them breathing heavily into their microphones. Everything will be alright.

Hey – I don’t breathe heavily into my microphone!

Prove it

You’ve already given them a pic to look at, don’t do it! Think of all the chaos that would ensue.

Er, pretty sure I have never done that, lol, unless it’s one of them there FB groups I’m a part of or something. I think you have me confused with someone else :P

But no, I’m not a heavy breather, though I am soft spoken. I do sometimes yell though on TS if I’m commanderizing.

FB groups, you say…

Yeah – a couple of my old guilds had FB groups. NBD

Get back on topic, and cool your jets.

I’m just trying to creep back on BP people for creeping on poor Calu…but you keep deleting your posts so now it looks like I’m making them up!!

Dio.2394:

saiyr.3071:

Dio.2394:

Player Character.9467:

Dat BP NA presence.

We are all still at work. It’s that other thing mommy and daddy do that you don’t understand yet.

Oh, is BP the new mature, adult server now instead of YB?

We have people of all ages playing, but I get the impression that BP does have a higher percentage of older people playing. Part of that comes simply from every conversation not being 14 year boy trash talk, but for other reasons as well.

I have been defending the BL on more than one evening when the topics of conversation have been the kids high school (or even college) graduations, second marriages, vacation properties, bad backs, bad knees and the general annoyance of not being able to punish one’s body like you can in your twenties without paying for it.

I for one would love to see a debate between YB and BP on who is the more mature server! Please commence!

Wat is dis?

cond builds were always strong, torment and all the new runes are taking it to uh ok? Proportions. People do too much dmg in wvw already…. didn’t need all this ascended armor and other crap goin on

Halo.8976:

CrassBippy.4619:

going high burst in power requires sacrifices in defense, vit, something.

Soldier’s: Power / Toughness / Vitality

Now you too can be OP.

… that’s not “burst” that’s “tanky”. burst requires precision crit dmg and power. Cond needs 1. So like I said, power builds must choose and sacrifice/hybrid their stats, cond dmg does not. They easily stack cond dmg toughness vit or heal power.

running cond dmg requires no sacrifices, you can still easily stack toughness heal power whatever. going high burst in power requires sacrifices in defense, vit, something.

the fact that cond dmg got buffed with even more conditions and ways to stack on all calsses = the stupid meta we are in right now.

glass cannons would at least melt, but do crazy damage…. cond dmg can now burst ridiculously, and have a ton of survivability. ive been taking a decent break from WvW until they balance some crap out.

I love reading the gvg = skill stuff. Watch videos, people macro #1 spam and just mash all their dmg or heals. Any more then 8v8 and its beyond messy

I love how the anti gvg (fight club previously) people are waging a war and getting all snooty. You realize that if gvg goes away those people will very likely just quit….

And we all know a game with less people is always fun.

I hate it how norns level up in the human zones. If we had more norns in the norn zone we could kill champs. anet you need to restrict them from leaving and force them to play with me…

they could call it “bffs esportz big win get all the girls!” Mode and people will come

Welllllllllllllll?

as someone who mains a warrior, I also hate it. Its boring, and all warrior vs warrior now is stun spam…. god knows a 3.75 stun every 8 seconds makes for awesome pvp!

ooooo raaaaaaah!

Thesilentflute.8761:

Man relax allot of player can only pve do to there rig and lag out in wvw/drag in spvp, it is fantastic that there is a festival every 2 weeks and they are constantly upgrading the game. If you played wow or really any other mmo you would see how special what they are doing really is. Along with all these thing they are upgrading all other aspects of the game as well. “WvWers find motivation to keep playing?” We found it… we like killing people. This isn’t pve do you expect rewards cause if they were going to give them it would be to tpvpers because tpvp has a closer barring on personal effort. If they did give large rewards here it would most likely just be exploited. The bag change is awesome though and pretty hard to exploit.

ya, we like killing people for 1 year with no changes…. neato. enjoy your 2 week mindless kill npcathon

conf was OP in those days, and now its going right back to op! hoooray

conf stacks on interupt. even thieves can get crazy high stacks of conf now with pistol dazes. hooray

Ya i know, if theyd just leave WvW alone and stop adding all the new crap to it, it would be better then all the awful balances theyve done.

Liquid.9672:

CrassBippy.4619:

does anyone actually balance the new PvE runes for WvW? ive given up on WvW having any semblance of balance

fought an ele who was traited to remove cond and he just melted. what a joke

I don’t think they considered Warrior mechanics when they created this, and more importantly, how it might impact WvW.

while that may be the case, what about giving engineers access to an AOE torment? engineers can already mop the floor with cond dmg. or Necros with even more conditions?

they are just trying to make cond dmg decent for PvE and making WvW nothing but mass conditions/borderline stupid.

i knew they didnt care, but its beyond “not caring” and sliding into “hey lets ruin it!”

do you know how easy it would have been for them to just not have PvE balances go into WvW? or PvE runes into WvW? good lord

does anyone actually balance the new PvE runes for WvW? ive given up on WvW having any semblance of balance

fought an ele who was traited to remove cond and he just melted. what a joke