Guild Wars 2

Cullin is much better. I’d much rather see enemies then all my allies

Mehknic.2904:

1) People like to complain about those with some unmatchable advantage. Whaaaat? You have a zerg and I don’t? Unfair!

2) Culling, and especially the new culling, gives a greater advantage to zergs than it does to small groups by allowing the zerg to be less visible than it should be.

2 is incorrect, culling is much improved and I can see enemiess farther then ever. Maybe for you it’s bad, I run in small groups and large ones. so don’t speak like this I “fact”

uh, they spawn right there anyway….. Spot or no spot it’s really easy or them to take that camp. don’t sit near that spot and let then kill you, durrrrr. I was there with a guild mate TRYING TO PORTAL OUT and crystal desert low levels sat there and auto attacks never letting us leave…. So we slowly killed them 1 by 1. it’s not our fault people want to sit there for no reason

Missed connections, wvwvw. You wore green, I believe in love at first sight

Too Frisky.9165:

Facet.5914:

Too Frisky.9165:

Facet.5914:

Too Frisky.9165:

patricide.1062:

Too Frisky.9165:

I predict this week’s match up to follow in the footstep’s of last weeks. Yak’s Bend makes a huge and impressive showing for the weekend and then – BOOM – Crystal Desert’s Oceanic guilds lay waste to the point ticks during the night while the rest of us slumber. Meanwhile, SBI is having fun working with what is left of our server population.

As an SBI player, it’s disheartening to see minimal coverage during the daytime and the complete absence of it during the night. It is generally fun playing against Crystal Desert though as you guys seem to have the best attitude and know when to keep your distance. Yak’s Bend on the other hand is a hilarious opponent as they are a bit too smug. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Yak’s player on his own and it’s amazing how they manage to lose 4v1 fights but love to dance on your body after their thirty man zerg runs your over when you are their only kill.

#WvWproblems

So, where have you been? These matchup threads have been filled with complements from all sides about the others’ manners. I could say the same thing, but I keep my mouth shut out of respect for our opponent.

Respect is earned, not given. What’s the point of sincerity if it’s insincere? I’m not saying there aren’t well mannered Yak’s Bend players out, I just haven’t run into them yet. I just find it amusing when a server hasn’t actually accomplished anything but feels the need to flaunt every victory, however meaningless.

What Pat is saying is that you seem to be the only one that doesn’t feel that each server in the matchup has earned the respect of the others. The matchup threads up until this point have been filled with nothing but people with good things to say about the others. Please point out where you think YB was gloating.

I don’t mean Yak’s Bend players have been gloating in this thread. That’s not my intent at all! I’m saying that I spend more of my time in WvW instead of the forums and YB players generally leave a sour taste in my mouth. I don’t find them particularly skilled at all and nine times out of ten they can’t beat me in a 1v1, let alone a 4v1 (which seems to happen more often). At the same time I find that YB players are the first to gloat, teabag, dance, and laugh over your body after their group of ten appears out of nowhere thanks to culling and runs a train on you. Crystal Desert seems to generally bow or move along after a fight; I’ve had maybe but two bad experiences with them?

THAT ALL BEING SAID…I will say that I have met some YB players that have been great opponents and it is obvious that the players posting in this thread are respectful to the end, whether sincere or otherwise. I’m simply stating that YB players on a whole (in WvW, not on the forums) seem to be quite full of themselves but coming from T1 and having played against some truly skilled players, I just find it silly for them to be so arrogant and disrespectful as a whole.

It only takes a few bad apples to ruin the bunch.

Dunno what to tell you man, your anecdotes run counter to what most of our opponents have told us since launch. YB has a reputation for class, quality, tenacity, and punching above our coverage. In this matchup we happen to have a quantity advantage on the weekend as well, which is why the score looks like it does.

As I have repeated frequently…this is simply my opinion. I generally don’t pay attention to score; that just tells you who has the largest army. The quality of the fights and the general aftermath is what I pay attention to the most. I’ve never heard of Yak’s Bend having a reputation for class or quality but I also never paid any attention to lower tiers until SBI started sinking in the lineup. It’s possible I just seem to run into some awful Yak’s Bend players repeatedly. Either way, it’s fun to kill them.

I’m honestly not quite sure why anyone is getting upset to be honest. I haven’t attacked anyone directly. People make generalizations about SBI players but I rarely take note because generalizations are, quite simply, generalizations. If it doesn’t apply to you then why take the comments as inflammatory?

Whisper Bi furious, lets go 1v1. itll be fun, promise

This is their servers. Large 3 way fights at SM always have utility skills that wont activate or other crazy anomalies. write arena net to buy better servers

Ikarushka.9564:

santi.7516:

CD Abused of us while we slept, now we’ll abuse of you!.

Nice fights btw.

Congrats Now all you have to do is maintain this kind of pressure past the weekend and play more in the oceanic time zone (granted it will be easier this week due to the new year) – and you might just win this, for what ever that is worth

we have jobs, sad face

Fight club tonight in anyone’s BL?

until they get better servers that can handle 3 way fights at SM, I still prefer home borderlands fights. Not being able to use my utility skills is a joke

DivineBeing.2086:

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Why is Kain acting like “we dont field our better players on reset” is a valid reason to be bad when #s are equal?

I cannot speak for Dragonbrand. But Maguuma doesn’t field its best players either. People get suck in queues all the same as any other server.

EXACTLY! Reset night is a lotto really. That is exactly why reset night isn’t a good indication of how a server performs or how skilled it is.

Why? Because your dedicated, hardcore, WvW guilds/players can be stuck in the queues all night while your more casual alt leveling pugs filled the slots.

Passed the reset night and even more into the week days gives a much better indication of the server since you will be fielding the players that actually dedicate their time to WvW.

Thanks for help clarifying that up.

Reset night is the only “even” fight measuring stick we have. Everything after that is #s and coverage. reset night all servers have queues for at least their BL and EB. Hence if you lose during that time it’s based on being outplayed, as opposed to #s or borderland whipes while servers sleep.

Also note that the “our best players are in queues!” Applies to all servers, so that defense doesn’t stand on its own

Ps I replied to Wrong post but oh we’ll! It’s related!

Culling is better now, move along folks

Esoteric.5490:

So we get promised, yes, PROMISED huge updates for WvW in February, then they decide that the patch “needs more testing”, but, in all of this, those, blessed PvE updates are still going through. Honestly, ANet, you have got to be kittening kidding me. I played Guild Wars 1 for 4 years after it launched. If it wasn’t for players like me, this game WOULD NOT EXIST. And how do you repay my customer loyalty? You spit on me by making me play a game for 6 months because of the promise of this unknown carrot on a stick, praying every day that you wouldn’t screw us over with badges not being able to buy ascended gear and that when you created these “titles” all of the game time I put in playing WvW wouldn’t be left for naught. Little known fact, most of us that play WvW DO NOT PLAY OTHER PORTIONS OF THE GAME. We got to level 80 and geared our characters and then we never left, but you decide that the only aspect of this game that we want to play is somehow less important than some carebear PvE player’s content because they totally haven’t gotten multiple holiday events, an event with an absurd drop rate of precursors, and a PERMANENT dungeon. Oh, I forgot, we got jack-o-lantern flame rams and Trebs that launched snowballs, A+ development work on WvW right there, champs.

If you think for a second that you have not made WvW second fiddle to PvE content, you are dead wrong and no politically correct statements you make about your “progress” is going to show otherwise.The rest of this game has gotten thousands of hours and repeated patches of work put into it, but WvW has only had you REMOVE entire objectives like orbs from our maps and now you have pushed the WvW updates back, EXCLUSIVELY. Also, it is astonishing that you just now decided to hire more “staff” to your WvW team. Did it take you 6 months post release to figure out that you have yet to release one solid, meaningful addition to WvW and to realize that you need more bodies working on what is supposed to be your ENDGAME? And to think that WvW had 3 whole developers compared to the dozens, no doubt, that you had working on all of that great PvE content. Explain to me, what is the point of even playing in a Borderland? What dynamic PvP happens there when you have no objective to fight for on 3 carbon copy maps?

If you detect a hint of rage or anger in my post then you are kitten right. I play GW2 for the WvW and the WvW alone. I, nor 90% of WvW players give a flying kitten about what PvE content you are adding because our favorite game type, that we love despite your dysfunction, is barely playable.

I pray that you are reading this and take my words to heart, because if you erase the 4.5k badges I’ve made by trumping them with a new WvW currency, decide that my achievements and the 20k kills I’ve gotten in WvW don’t count towards these new titles retroactively, or make it apparent that you are not even going to put in 25% of the effort into WvW that you put into PvE, then you will see players leave this cesspool in literal DROVES.

I can already tell you rewards won’t be retroactive, kinda obvious on that one

ya YB doesn’t have much oceanic time coverage, we never really have had any, I’m used to it and just enjoy the prime time fights.

ya CD pretty much whipes the board while YB mostly sleeps. Not complainin but it’s a kick in the pants

have 5 rangers all stagger entangling vines in a group fight. I bet if people don’t expect it they will all get murdered…. See what I did there? Found new ways to find OP things that people don’t expect, round up 5 rifle warriors and all abuse piercing shots + kills hot. That’s OP Too!

kfarb.6732:

Ninein.4782:

Also wanted to add another observation about WM zergball. We have faced BT that employs similar tactics as WM zergball but nobody has accused BT of botting. So what was it about WM zergball that makes people think they have bots among them?

Well last night I got a chance to go into EB and fight against the famed Jun Gang or whatever his name was from WM. Anyways, I had several suspicious observation that some players in the WM zergball are not entirely human.

Case #1:

WMzergball was defending Quentin that had a hole in the wall with Maguuma zerg on the outside trying to push in. What they would do is gather up in the lord room and then run out the hole in the wall or portal in the door to strike a particular location.

I wanted to test to see how dynamic this WM zergball is at changing target. When the zergbal ran up to the lord room to regroup. I ran up and attacked them by my lonesome self. To my suprise, most of them just ran past me as I attacked them. I was able to slow 5 and only 5 out of the whole 30 of em attacked me. From my observation, they attack an area and are not capable of switching target to hit individual people.

Case #2:

Maguuma breaks through Durios door and are taking down the tower lord. In our previous attempt, the WM zerg ball would charge in behind us and wipe us out. On this second attempt, I positioned myself below the lord room waiting for them to charge us. They indeed charge us at the lord room and I call inc. To my suprise, they did not attack me on their way to the lord room. I had ample time to slow them yet again and drop all my AE on them. This again confirms my suspicion, that this WM zerg is incapable of dynamic target switching. Plus I think they just target ground location and not individual opponents.

Case #3:

The WM zergball came to Valley keep area and tried to set up siege to take out Trebuchets that were sitting high up on a pedestal. You’ll think a highly coordinated zergball of 30 players could get a siege up while under fire. What I saw was maybe 5 people try to build the siege and the other 25 just standing around twidling their thump. They eventually couldn’t build the siege. This makes me think there’s only a few “live” thinker in that zergball of 30.

Mind you this was only a few hours of fighting them last night. So I’m sure people who have fought these guys longer wouldn’t miss these subtle details.

The funny part is that eternal is where the generally uncoordinated randoms go when they want to wvw. There are very few wvw-dedicated groups that only play in eternal. It makes for easy stomping when an organized group goes in there. At least, until people figure out the counter of “moving to the side.”

This is kinda funny to read cause last week when i was up against WM I noticed that I was just picking them off 1 by 1 real slowly as they ran up a tower on YBBL and noone ever targeted me. It was probably around a minute and a half of me downing about 4 of them, and not 1 person targeted me. I eventually just jumped off and ran away not thinking of it too much. They just run in a line around the map and do circles and crap…. but could do so much more with their #’s and voice communications….

I dont want to make accusations but oddly the botting thing makes sense

Man our early morning presence is weaksauce haha. but close fights always = better forums.

this is the dumbest argument ever. “ANET HOW COME MORE NUMBERS = BETTER. OMG NERF SOMETHING”

uhhh…. what? of course larger #’s is better. I cant believe this still goes on to this day. Its a silly thing to complain about, this is WORLD Vs WORLD. not Tom and Jane VS bobby and his 2 friends

are queues bugged? waiting what seems like forever……..

Sorry but what does this vid prove? They all popped up before you made it that close, you were in a large group….. Soooo?? I guarantee the majority of people who are against it already set their minds that the trial was awful and this doesn’t work. it’s even better fr me and alot of others I know

Llyrx.3497:

Event: Fight Club
Date: Thursday
Time: 5PM Server Time
Location: KBL Behind south supply camp.
Rules:
1. A servers players must be in one area together.
2. In order to start the fight, atleast 2 challengers (from any server) must go to the middle of the ring/open area.
3. Can be 1v1, 3v3, 5v5, Golem v Golem, etc.
4. No Spiking, only to down state.

Whisper any one from RE if you have any questions about it. Its great fun, it builds cohesion and good/friendly communication between other guilds/servers.

We hope this can be as successful and fun as it has been in previous tiers. We hope to see CD and YB come along for the fun

Kudos to people setting this up. kitten good fights. everyone needs to be sure and come out to these

fellyn.5083:

CrassBippy.4619:

fellyn.5083:

Cacti Eleven.9135:

Ninya.3942:

My favorite part of every week has been people thinking we have zergs everywhere and at all times. Keep it up keyboard warriors. I’m sure some people appreciate you.

You’re priceless, really. The only keyboard warrior here is you. Everytime someone says they’ve taken a garrison or something, you come here all buttmad and make excuses. “We were outnumbered!” Whatever. Both Yak’s and CD have been outnumbered since day 1. Deal with it.

Err..welll…that’s not true.

Bahah, lets all just move along. Nothing to see here folks, just ignore it.

So you didn’t play the day of the reset then? Because the numbers were pretty even during those first hours.

Difference between outnumbered some of the time and outnumbered all the time. That person claimed to have been outnumbered since the start which is an outright lie.

But hey…small victories, I guess.

I did, we were at about 30 points less per tick. But you said outmanned, now you say even. Hence why everyone is laughing, so anyway, move along folks.

This isn’t daoc. Game is built for capturing points, so large #s = quicker captures. how come call of duty isn’t mass effect?

I downed a thief in kaineng who just popped SR as he went down, waited and he never reappeared no bags or nothing, also a Mesmer who went invis, popped up about 10 seconds of runnin down the map. So screwy things are going on

fellyn.5083:

Cacti Eleven.9135:

Ninya.3942:

My favorite part of every week has been people thinking we have zergs everywhere and at all times. Keep it up keyboard warriors. I’m sure some people appreciate you.

You’re priceless, really. The only keyboard warrior here is you. Everytime someone says they’ve taken a garrison or something, you come here all buttmad and make excuses. “We were outnumbered!” Whatever. Both Yak’s and CD have been outnumbered since day 1. Deal with it.

Err..welll…that’s not true.

Bahah, lets all just move along. Nothing to see here folks, just ignore it.

Ninya.3942:

My favorite part of every week has been people thinking we have zergs everywhere and at all times. Keep it up keyboard warriors. I’m sure some people appreciate you.

Says the keyboard warrior. You’re right, you don’t, you paint every map blue due to your smaller #s and maximum skillz

New system is better, I roam in a group of 2 and also Zerg bust. much better

I think it’s better. Still there at times but I’ve never ran Ito invisible zergs, and were up against kaineng, a Zerg server

Ugh, this is war people. Stop these pointless threads. More people = quicker point captures, which is the point if wvwvwvw. These topics are beyond pointless, just no. And this is coming from someone who rolls with 1 other person and jumps into zergs alot.

Braxxus.2904:

Props to the OP for providing an entertaining post and video.

Off-topic rant:
What is starting to annoy me however is every one of these warrior vids I see is a glass cannon spec, and succeeding in fights. Surviving somehow because absolutely every opponent seems to have no combat abilities on their hotbars or the ability to target the warriors. Yet every time I get in a fight in SPvP or WvW it’s a constant uphill battle of focused target condi + burst dumps on my warrior and 3-7 people focus firing and support stomping which leads to an average uptime of maybe 10 seconds while having to gear and spec defensively or else the focus fire drops the war in 4 seconds (3 for endure pain and 1 to take 40k damage from a coordinated group).

Seriously, what servers do all these players exist on where 28 run from a whirling warrior and are unable to even all press 1 on him at the same time in order to deal 30k damage and drop him in 1 second?

/rant

That’s because people only record good fights. And it’s just picking off stragglers, not real Pvp. people aren’t speccedfor 1v1 in wvw so going against someone who is doesn’t show that much

I kind of wish they didn’t allow food buffs in wvwvw. People already do alot of damage, don’t need more

Parisalchuk.9230:

DJSkittles.7196:

I honestly don’t really get it. I mean how many events have we had? Enough for people to start understanding Arena Nets way of doing things? I guess not… They always release it the day they say and they always release it during the nighttime of that day unless they notify us of it being released earlier, yet every time i see someone biching about “Its the 29th over here in Hong Kong, yall didnt keep your promise.” They have repeadetly stated they operate on Pacfic Coast timezone. I don’t see why its so hard for some of you, I guess im sorry that you guys play a game where the company operates out of such an unfamiliar timezone that you couldn’t possibly ever figure it out all by yourself.

Sorry, but Anet’s policy for the SEVEN years of GW1 was to set a date and time for their updates. I will take 7 years of their ‘way of doing it’ over the months of GW2… That being said I will continue to be dissapointed that a company refuses to keep its paying customers with information. Its not that hard. They clearly are able to ‘flip a switch’ to switch to the new build, and they should know generally how long it takes to prepare the new build and get it set. Knowing that, its not hard at all to start an event or update at a specific date.

They already did it this way for the Karka update… I dont understand why they reverted to their poor practices.

You sound like the biggest baby right now. like really? does it really matter if it patches tonight? HOW DARE THEY

Ya I mean wvwvw only. Pve can be how it is now

Revives of downed players is fine, I was meaning stomped or finished characters. this would allow teams a little more opportunity to push people back. As you’d have to win the fight and push them away in order to Rez any finished players

YB is good for a semi large group but rarely if ever queues. I’d also recommend ehmry bay

Immune to damage, they have a signet when traited will use that. same as warriors endure pain

Any thoughts on changing it so you cant revive someone who has been stomped while in combat? would likely help when sides are trying to push back and forth. Forcing them to actually push the other side back/out before they could res fallen characters.

earendil.1290:

Kaineng current crew has been tested a lot in the top tier for the months since the game started. Anyone who thinks they’ll stop at T2 is deluding himself (baring another WM major trasfert or game leaving of course)

They are playing the zerg game, they are using the PuGs/Militia/as a force, training and feeding the, instead as a meat shield filler, like I’ve seen so many do unfortunately.

I don’t particularly enjoy seeing them there, since their departure literally destroyed my SBI – but if you are a casual and want to be well treated, you can rely on WM for that, the same way I did.

The queues though will probably get pretty nasty, after the new WvW reward system comes up. The reason WM and SBI could rarely win on reset nights was that they were not able to get their WvW crews in. This is the only thing that might stop them – being flooded from the inside. But it’s hardly possible at oceanic time.

lol, can you save this post? re-read this after next weeks matchup.

Kaineng isnt ready, Maguuma was alot more organized along with the #s. Kaineng is below them, so if Maguuma loses their t3 matchup, id be shocked if kaineng could pull it off.

ghtchill.7613:

CrassBippy.4619:

Xenth.2408:

I tire of reading “zerg this zerg that”. Guess what, EVERY server is a zerg server!

Any server that gets the numbers into wvw will form zergs, don’t kid yourself!

If you and your buddy enter wvw and run into 20 people it’s a zerg right? I see a lot of complaining about 2v20 or whatever.

It’s the way things work. People aren’t going to spread out in groups of 1 to 5 people all over the map. They’re going to gravitate towards each other and work together. I could care less if you call that a zerg. Calling a server a “zerg server” is sort of a compliment to them even if you don’t mean it that way. It means that server has the dedication to continually field a large number of players. It means those players are interested in helping the server achieve victory and advancement.

Instead of complaining about it, get your server more involved in wvw. if you have 40 people online in one guild and you can get 25 of them into wvw you can now take on that zerg of 20. If you can get 2 to 4 guilds more involved in wvw, you can make a good impact.

Quit complaining about it because you want to go around with a small amount of people and think it’s not fair that you’re running into large groups working together.

If you can’t field decent numbers, instead of complaining about zergs, don’t go in wvw. Or better yet get people involved. Train people on group tactics. Make parties that synergy with each other well (a good combo of healing/buffs, finishers, confusion/stealth, whatever). There’s tons of thieves around. Get a group of 3 or 4 thieves to start flipping camps while you apply other tactics elsewhere with larger numbers.

A zerg can only be in one place at one time. It takes time to move that many people to an objective. So work on other tactics like getting orange swords up at a tower or two while you ninja a keep.

If you can field numbers you can do stuff like this. If you can’t get 20+ people to coordinate together, you’re S.O.L.

If you’re being spawn camped, there are 3 routes out of server borderlands – you don’t have to go head on into them.

Wow, Come on people, stop acting like you dont have a #‘s advantage. im on YB and im not complaining about the fact you have obvious # advantage, but dont turn around and act like its anything else. Maguuma is in the same boat, they went up to where their #’s belong and they are now in 3rd place. So right now, youre steamrolling due to #’s, accept that. Move up a tier and then see how things work out.

Okay. Accepted. Well at least by me, only one of many.

Eh im just Salty, but bless your heart!

CHIPS.6018:

Kagato.4061:

I wonder how much of us losing as bad as we are right now is due to the large list of guild transferring off last week, or whether it’s because we are up against Kaineng. My friends and I love WvW, and if this is how Crystal Desert is going to be performing from now on, then we might get the hell out of here too before paid transfers come up.

Here is my take. CD and YB at NA prime time is actually very formidable. Yesterday we at Kaineng had a very hard time gaining ground. We only got a slight edge over you guys. I think the score was like 350 to 250 or something.

And then midnight comes.

You guys in CD and YB do not have enough coverage at night. In other words your night crew is very small. So while you went to sleep, both of your towers and keeps got overrun.

So morning hits. Players from CD and YB logs in. They saw that we in Kaineng has taken over everything. Many got discouraged and they left. As a result your zerg got even smaller.

So its a combination of lack of coverage and players getting discouraged that is hurting you guys this week.

As for whatever your guild should leave or not, you guys have to ask yourselves what’s your goal. If you goal is to have fun, and you are perfectly happy in any tier, then you should stay. However if your goal is to win, play with the best and fight against the best, then you should move to a different server.

Good luck! ^^

This has happened alot. we played vs CD when they were sheer #’s and oceanic groups. Waking up to a fully colored BL by 1 team is pretty discouraging, id say were used to it by now. Best fight weve had is EB, old maguuma and us. that match was close and fought all through the week

General.7803:

Subtle.4596:

So wonder what that WM group is going to do when they fix culling.

like this ( http://youtu.be/d60B_QBb-dU )

And we don’t use culling, just invisible.
T1? Don’t worry about that.
WM already one of best fight WvW guild in T1 for last 4 months,
and I already was fight in T1 with less 10 wm-member.
We just want to grow our Kaineng frined by T4,T3,T2.
OK. Let’s good fight.

I fought a bunch of WM in YBBL tonight. I really expected more. Maguuma guilds were alot more organized and ruthless IMO. Not that they are bad or anything, but it wasnt much of a resistance.

Xenth.2408:

I tire of reading “zerg this zerg that”. Guess what, EVERY server is a zerg server!

Any server that gets the numbers into wvw will form zergs, don’t kid yourself!

If you and your buddy enter wvw and run into 20 people it’s a zerg right? I see a lot of complaining about 2v20 or whatever.

It’s the way things work. People aren’t going to spread out in groups of 1 to 5 people all over the map. They’re going to gravitate towards each other and work together. I could care less if you call that a zerg. Calling a server a “zerg server” is sort of a compliment to them even if you don’t mean it that way. It means that server has the dedication to continually field a large number of players. It means those players are interested in helping the server achieve victory and advancement.

Instead of complaining about it, get your server more involved in wvw. if you have 40 people online in one guild and you can get 25 of them into wvw you can now take on that zerg of 20. If you can get 2 to 4 guilds more involved in wvw, you can make a good impact.

Quit complaining about it because you want to go around with a small amount of people and think it’s not fair that you’re running into large groups working together.

If you can’t field decent numbers, instead of complaining about zergs, don’t go in wvw. Or better yet get people involved. Train people on group tactics. Make parties that synergy with each other well (a good combo of healing/buffs, finishers, confusion/stealth, whatever). There’s tons of thieves around. Get a group of 3 or 4 thieves to start flipping camps while you apply other tactics elsewhere with larger numbers.

A zerg can only be in one place at one time. It takes time to move that many people to an objective. So work on other tactics like getting orange swords up at a tower or two while you ninja a keep.

If you can field numbers you can do stuff like this. If you can’t get 20+ people to coordinate together, you’re S.O.L.

If you’re being spawn camped, there are 3 routes out of server borderlands – you don’t have to go head on into them.

Wow, Come on people, stop acting like you dont have a #‘s advantage. im on YB and im not complaining about the fact you have obvious # advantage, but dont turn around and act like its anything else. Maguuma is in the same boat, they went up to where their #’s belong and they are now in 3rd place. So right now, youre steamrolling due to #’s, accept that. Move up a tier and then see how things work out.

kash.9213:

Kuldred.2436:

We really enjoyed the fights with Mag prior to the transfers, now not so much. Quite possible we are in for another week of the same with Kaineng, oh well. It will be nice when the dust finally settles from the free transfers and the tiers even back out again.

People should enjoy a match based on how much fun they have fighting with their servers community rather then who they’re fighting against. A solid server community, even when get wrecked in a match, is addictive. More people trickle in when they hear their guildies talking about the crazy stuff that happened in w3, and eventually word spreads across servers.

Well, getting spawn camped by huge #s isn’t “fun”. even taking a tower only to have twice your #s steamroll through is not fun. not blaming maguuma, but it’s pretty obvious why people are t having fun. there’s a huge difference in fun factor when you fight outnumbered (overcome!) to more then twice your #s (well kitten we can’t do anything)

Those videos don’t show balance, they always show people stomping less skilled players. Also some builds shine in 1v1, but are awful in group wvwvw. Can’t really take that into account. If you play spvp you’d realize that classes are fairly balanced, just need some minor tweaks. Arena net allowing food and other crazy stats into wvwvw leads to more glaring imbalances and things that seem overpowered

roostapro.9827:

Learn to play better.

Do you honestly think I am having fun playing the nerf game?
NO.

so i enjoy my ele that is full of bugs?
No.

Do i enjoy having my class nerfed every time someone has a l2p issue?
NO.

do i enjoy my class minus all the bugs?
Yes.

Why?

Because it gives me a challenge and lets me develop my skills so i can crush my opponent to make them cry for a nerf.

Class spells is not the thing that is “OP”.

Player Skill is “OP”.

I hope arena net care not to cater for those who don’t know what it takes to play an ele.

FYI, gear stats & Runes, those 2 words.

I’m gonna burst your bubble here. Eles do need a rework, not a big nerf, but d/d eles at the moment have 0 cons. they have mobility, cond removal, heals, boons, aoe, knockdowns. They’re negatives? Uhhhh if someone has a boon strip necro?

So no, they aren’t “OP” but they need a re-work. I see a lot of people say they are a “high skill” class. They’re the same as any other class, they just spam more skills. You want to have high skill? Play a engineer or ranger and dominate large groups with them. or a cond dmg warrior. Then well talk

You’re good and all but man those people are all terribad…. like bad bad

Sounds like they botted to me. Guilty, court adjourned

When mag fought us, it was never THIS outnumbered. You guys always could field decent #s. no server wants to fight for 80 points. You guys would get sick of it too, I enjoy fighting outnumbered, but this is extreme

You’re comparing a GUILD all in the same team speak vs pugs? Apples to oranges man