Guild Wars 2

It seems we need to improve our Garrison scouting and stop relying on Playmate checking every nook and cranny so much.
Oh SFR I saw your golems inside Vizunah’s EB keep let’s see what happens this morning, it’s like back in the days RG wanted to push Viz into T2 the clash of the titans.
It’s a shame Deso isn’t quite up there but it doesn’t matter cause we should be proud of our server once again rebuilding from internal problems which left us with many guilds leaving.

Oh yes today was such a mess that we lost EB keep and we needlessly lost t3 Garri before and during prime time just look at our ppt during the day , it’s safe to say there’s not many people happy for obvious reasons but at least we had some fun fights on Deso BL thanks CoN and RiOT earlier this evening.

Together again I see after all those months heh, well let’s see if we can get people back in the fight this week however it won’t be enough of course but oh well we’ve put ourselves in a position where the RNG will likely puts us up against these two.

I do wish I could change the mindset of a server to be up for the challenge rather than personal reward but that’s how it’s been for us this week again yet SFR seem to have managed the bring their community together to fight again this week, I dunno what happened with you Elona guys though.
This is coming from a guy who ended up joining the PVE farm and boy there was a blob to lead to glory against that Clockwork Chaos thing.

It was pretty incredible seeing us with a 45ppt at 5pm BST, whatever the reasons hopefully Deso wakes up, regroup ourselves, organize ourselves better and be up for the challenge the rest of the week also not just for night time where we’ve face resistance anyway :o

It’s obvious SFR stopped playing for points like earlier in the week but when your up against that many Viz at night after their ‘call to arms’ again I’m sure the effort and sacrifice it takes to try make an effort to keep up with them takes its toll on people.

It’s just that Deso has had it easy the past few weeks but this week has been rougher than usual, as we’ve said this week like the day after reset we’ve often been outnumbered most of the day apart from prime.
Crown Pavilion had alot of people last night compared to in wvw that I ended leading the zerg there to glory haha.
I just hope whatever the matchup people will be back in numbers to fight again.

I also had some good fights roaming last night against some [VSS] and ran across some Viz not afraid to pvp, I’ve also been ran over by a blob that ran across the map to kill me but Vizunah isn’t that any different to what we’re used to or even as bad anymore.
They’re the same as usual in terms of coverage and bringing out people when they need it, that takes dedication even though it means playing when people sleep that’s how the wvw points game is and with RNG matchups it’ll happen often.

I want to say well done to all those still fighting and trying but sadly our numbers dropped that we couldn’t put up much of a challenge this week overall with our lack of numbers one reason or another.

Hopefully it’s been a wake up call for everyone we’ve still alot to improve as a server not just with coverage which takes dedication or even having one big zerg IMO you can achieve stuff with some good tactical nous and the pugs have still got to be educated accordingly, maybe gain some pride fighting for Deso along the way.

We had some awesome fights on SFR BL during the evening thanks to ECL, Riot and the Viz Blob even! SFR’s coordination and organization has been impressive this week as it’s been mentioned but of course as usual Viz can come up with so many people during off peak when it’s needed, you guys really have a great motivator behind the scenes.

No no no we are a heavily populated PVE server with only a couple of wvw guilds who raid a couple of days a week, sometimes we have people tagging up to rally some pugs but alot of time we rarely have enough to do anything apart from playing defensive and trying to ninja things when the time is right. It’s a sad thing to see atm and with bi-weekly PVE updates it isn’t going to stop.
It is how it is though the only thing is that our guilds has had to pick up the slack more but it’s not been enough?

You see I don’t mind GvG’s but seriously you can still play to win and have good fights plenty of guilds do both, sure you may face blobs often but it’s still enjoyable to try different tactics, cooperate with everyone else and take objectives for the points game when there is resistance ,even night capping is quite ‘hardcore’ in a sense.

When guilds are looking for fame rather than helping their community that’s a problem Anet has to figure out, there’s a time and place for GvG’s there should be less Elitism and more unity..

Guild Wars 2 has no GvG so it isn’t a reference towards that it has wvw which can be casual and hardcore as you make it, again I’ll say there’s a time and place for that and Anet needs to add some sort of GvG mode while the rest can still fight for their server.

Many of this weeks EU matchups are pretty unbelievable in terms of points and pop difference yet they got matched up, after this long isn’t this enough to go by that something needs to be adjusted for the EU ladder?
This isn’t that much fun either way outside what we can find as fun for me that is a challenge, perhaps I could just play during prime time but blowouts due to imbalances do not seem right to me.
The high pop servers just Karma train with imbalanced matchups happening too frequently.

My server enjoyed weeks of not having Vizunah for once but we’re not quite improving cause educating the pugs is not easy cause it’s s just too easy to Karma train at night.

This looks like a pretty boring matchup in all honesty compared to the previous weeks but like Abaddon’s Mouth maybe Millers Sound will surprise us, AM’s was well organized and well populated than I could imagine.
We Desolation need to up our game: we need to learn to cooperate much more consistently and educate the pugs that could potentially become almost like us veterans, we can’t just rely on points off peak we can show we’re better than that.

I won’t be around for reset my comrades and friends, I’m taking a break and recharging but I’ll be back to go at 100mph again soon!

Edit: Looking at some of the other matchups though there is so many more imbalanced matchups than any other week anyway. :o

It could of been a better day esp at prime time for Deso and before that losing Garri a couple of times, let’s hope for a better organized, and a more active day with not so much lag tommorow.
Of course I can’t help mention that blob on Deso BL right now after GH left (ouch), they melt wooden gates in seconds.

I’d like to apologise for the Internal drama we’ve brought here it won’t happen again I’m sure and it wasn’t what I intended to come out after saying we lost Garri.
Besides the QQ thanks for the fights on Deso BL SPRT, and VII on EB even though the latter can be attributed to me having some of the most uncoordinated pugs I’ve seen on EB in a while.
At one point I watched them walking out some golems with Pikens zerg waiting for us in front of our keep.

Thanks for the support on EB after when we were outnumbered from DVG and everyone else. my throat is sore from that yelling and laughing what the pugs got up to last night :p.
I’m sorry that we had to blob, but its our only effective way to fight properly without any guild raids running at all.

LJMaster.6214:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

Update: Well done you reset our Garri even though we’re usually good with our scouting.

Was a difficult night, I was surprised when I saw the size of Piken and Abbadon’s zergs, could have been prime time!

Yeah I was leading a small team on Piken and ran into zergs most of the night, but I welcome some resistance at night I just wish we communicated better and had enough to split between BLs and EB esp if this persists now it’s hard for the morning BL crew.

Nice to see some resistance tonight but I don’t know how you lost your Garri while you have that zerg running around Piken, today was another interesting day not the best day in terms of cooperation but despite the QQ please less of that and more good fights.
As for the Guardian Melee train meta just like blobbing I’m not that much of a fan it yet there is a way to counter it so we can’t complain too much.

Update: Well done you reset our Garri even though we’re usually good with our scouting.

Despite this night capping I don’t think we want to increase our chances of fighting Vizunah, especially for the first time in consecutive weeks we get Abaddon’s Mouth who are lower ranked but at least it’s a new opponent. Prime time on Piken BL was interesting despite the lag the huge battles were epic, it was nice to meet SPRT and your big guild group running again we also had a good amount of EXG and FG around but not so many pugs and the blobs were insane

Let me just say this we were complaining about being outnumbered on anything but our home BL after many of us took a well earned rest and blobbing which is the wvw meta yet look at things now.

I’m going to enjoy this matchup as much as possible, we will still play for the win but I think many of us want to win it the right way; so we also want to fight for the points.
We don’t want leave the impression that we are like Viz: it’s no excuse to say we had to endure them for months.
I don’t think there’s a need for Karma trains that steamroll through objectives every night during this matchup, like Viz ‘bullies’ others who lack the coverage; it’s just not that fun.

The fact is we have many guilds besides FG who only just re-joined, INVI, GoD and Unit that has much to learn against servers with several organized guilds who also communicate and cooperate better not all are in the alliance though, we have my guild who is semi hardcore in the process of improving ourselves and others who just formed in the last 1-2 months.

We all know how important the pugs are but whether they’ll be here in the long run who knows, we’ll lose keep and towers and get wiped at times but it’s a learning process we have to go through so bear with us.

So much lag..

Jayne.9251:

So with the rating gain Deso got this week, does that mean it will increase the chances of them being back in the arms of their beloved Viz?

Heh our chances of getting Viz doesn’t change cause we are destined for them either way, but I hope not as this week has been refreshing for us; not cause of the night capping, we’ve had some interesting fights even though we have had to blob sometimes.

We’ve still got to educate those new to wvw as we’re still very much a highly populated pve server with many pugs used to the Karma train, we are better than that.

genowefapigwa.5769:

It;s not offence but we are a little difference server
We are looking for fun not only for points.

Fair enough.

Rock.7324:

EDIT;
Ok, I might have been a bit too harsh… it’s not like we have no good commanders… Candy, All shall perish, Serial Clicker, Ru-bi-o(OOOOO) …they are all very good commanders…but some, well, some just need to give up the position or something…take back the 100g, cuz you’re just not meant to lead. Sorry, but that’s how I see it.

Thanks for the mention but after last night it’s clear I’ve got much to learn, maybe it’s cause I often tag up at the toughest moments with not much support on TS.. haha
I’m looking forward to the last 3 days of this matchup for the great fights and to educate the pugs as best as possible during this week.

Sorry GH and GG I wanted to fight your mixed zerg but I just had about 10-12 people on me just now, I tried a ‘call to arms’ to no avail.

I don’t think we had much of a guild raid running on there to even compare to your coordination or numbers so I don’t know what you expected we were just trying to defend our T3 structures.
It’s either that or fight our pug zerg which I and the rest of our guys tried to organize while I was being suppressed, whereas we were trying to work out where you guys were half the time.

Deso is still in much need of guilds, rebuilding and training we want to win but I don’t think we’re that proud of doing Viz style karma trains at night nobody will learn from that, it’s how the game is yet it’s not the most exciting thing to do daily so fair enough if you play less to try to win and sleep at normal hours.

There was some awesome cooperation on Deso BL we defended Bay and Garri against about 2/3 Piken guilds and the Kodash Zerg, I took over commanding the pugs for AFTL it wasn’t easy with only 10 of us on TS again but even though it was hectic it was an evening of good fights and great defence.
2 hours of commanding with the heat over here is draining enough yet, I’m looking forward to the rest of the week.

As it’s been pointed out Deso still has alot to learn and not by pure night capping with large numbers we will become a better server, the fights so far this week have been a good lesson and we’re going to have a interesting week to learn from.

PsyllO.3728:

Had some great fights in Deso BL yesterday evening the battle for bay was insane
two pikken guilds FG and another i don’t remeber got inside but we standed oure ground like real man and eventually we pushed them back i realy like this week matchup and not because were winning in score but because of the great fights
cheers too CTRL and DVG who did a great job there

I also think we were lucky there as they were trebbing for a while it was getting late, earlier during the evening it was disorganized cause we were running with two tags and had just 10 people on TS when I had to tag off until DVG arrived.

I’d like apologize some of these arrogant and flame-bait posts as they reflect badly on Deso but they do not represent the respectful side of Deso which is very much a part of what we want to be seen as. We do not and will not be like Viz.

DrMatt.9408:

piken zerged garrison on deso bl with omega golems 1am gmt tnight, so enough of the night cap nonsense pls. all is fair in love and war, the French taught us that. piken guilds are scary good though, think its fair to say many of us on deso bl are shell shocked after tnight :p

That was GH of course I think we had a queue for most of the night but they were causing lots of problems over there and on Piken BL, it’s a big difference to what we’re doing now although afaik we haven’t been golem rushing .
I think I even got to bow to you Rich and just got zerged in the process :p

Kudos to FG willing to fight our blob on Kodash BL, I miss you guys on Deso. <3
As for PvD I’m not a big fan of it but I want us to win this week, I’ll only do it up to a point and then just go to sleep without having nightmares of daily golem rushes although we’ve been doing it a bit recently ourselves tbh.
Let’s just enjoy this week of fights for once without too much QQ and hopefully one day we’ll find the right balance of styles.

This Is S F A R T A.. lol
You didn’t see [Xaoc] guild? They had 300+ daily www online, biggest russian community of gw2
Anyway, Sparta had only 45+ ppl on yesterday reset, thi is not our biggest online

Yes sorry I meant SPRT the fact you had 45+ people on one map is quite remarkeable

Again some apologies for the PVD which is maybe excessive with the golems (ahem) but I feel we can win this matchup and have lots of good fights this week, that fight inside SM earlier was nice I decided to split up groups to clear your siege inside and that was without TS so it was hard to pull off. I’m probably going to try a different approach when i get to command if possible, to use as little Golems as possible but they’re expensive anyway if you don’t use the TP :p

Edit: One more to thing to say SFRT has to be one of the biggest guilds I’ve seen recently in wvw besides maybe MN from Viz.

Yeah I’d like to apologize, obviously we spent so many months with Vizunah and we’ve not got many big core wvw guilds anymore that we only raid during prime anyway compared to our ratio of pugs. And come on blobbing seems to be the meta anyway I’ve seen Piken do it just now on your own BL, but golem rushes especially with omega’s is the new ‘in’ thing it seems; they are well OP for taking objectives as we’ve all seen after the months we’ve had Vizunah .

Well it’s been an interesting week even against Vizunah and their multiple Golem rushes which seemed to increase to the TP prices, that demoralized many of us apart from me but not in the way I wanted to start doing things their style. Last night I saw them running out of their tower to fight but I don’t know it may of been thanks to that WL commander I saw late last night. It’s time for something different however we don’t want to face Viz again Anet and dear RNG gods, time for a closer matchup within our wvw coverage and pop or new servers altogether.

Markus.9084:

Great fight tonight in the keep of Deso borderlands !! Good defense !

No doubt that some players will cry about the double french focus on Deso… But do you REALLY think that we died multiple times against your AC and canons in order to help the Vizublob ?
Read the french official forum or JoL : AR don’t really like VZ xD

Btw, here a pic showing how to kill a dumb blob We remained here on the roof until all VZ were downed, and then some clever Deso wondered “Why is it raining arrow ?”

I was the commander on there and yeah it was hectic with several gates down and the east wall, I do not quite know how we defended it but we did a remarkable job despite the fact I ended up giving orders on TS with the humidity in the evening over here at 10 people which I thought was more and the pugs spontaneously followed my tag.

I feel sorry for Augury Rock they aren’t so bad we’ve had some great fights with them even though they lack the numbers at most times, many I’ve seen like a fight but it looks like they’re the victim of PVD’ing and night capping even we’ve joined the meta and a bit too proud of having to drop down to Vizunah’s level yet they are so far ahead and we are so far behind.

I’ve actually roamed about a bit this week and met some roaming Vizunians that weren’t so afraid of a fight even some were friendly, maybe this is what the current matchup system has brought rather than the old system yet it still isn’t working right.
Let’s see what Friday brings now..

warriorjrd.8695:

Flipping Viz keep in eb + many other vizunah owned things made tonight very enjoyable. Camping their spawn for a bit wasn’t too bad either.

Still doesn’t stop them capping stuff back and Karma training, I’ve seen us think we have to play like Vizunah with our golem rushes and all yet it doesn’t bother them they just have the coverage and heck even the organization at times that we don’t, Anet needs to sort these matchups and gives us a matchup within our capabilities and wvw population after all these months.

Looks like Vizunah unleashed the beast tonight and so did Anet with the price of golems on the TP omega’s steamrolling everything, I’m gonna reroll tetris.

Well I don’t know what’s happened tonight but it seems Viz has at least a 30 man Karma train running around that earlier reset our T3 hills on AR borderlands which ourselves EXG and TLA to name a few worked hard for during our evening raids yet they’ve let their whole BL turn blue. Morning/Night capping takes effort esp on our part, but not really skill just coordination and communication.
Also Anet should do something about Golems on the TP they are ridiculously cheap and it’s being easily abused it’s frustrating trying to defend against multiple golem rushes.

Honestly I don’t really care about competing with Viz we’re unlikely to get many more guilds with the 1800 gem cost really we’ll just need to make do with what we have and work efficiently and organized. Even then seems we lack something during prime time on one map where we lost Deso Garri, we’ll be fine once we actually get a matchup we can compete to win but we’ll still be competing the best we can.
It was a interesting reset night but we’ve got to be realistic that we’ll have less people during the mornings and esp the weekdays but at least be interesting to fight Augury Rock who kinda got screwed by the RNG themselves.

Oh well at least we’ve at least faced two new servers thanks to the RNG but Anet needs to do something about this soon, we want a matchup we can realistically win or be close to winning after all these months.

Anet needs to do something about this RNG, surely they’ve seen enough ‘test runs’ to tweak things now.

Aye that defense of our Garrison was epic I’m glad I ended up there by accident joining the queue from EB and clicking join, we were very close to losing it though we had people who were all over the place and used up the supply when it was upgrading on the positive side of things we had enough people organized who kept contesting the circle, bay WP and using their war banners just in time the communication on TS was key despite some of the issues we had. I’ve been up on night keeping guard of it and although it’s been tough esp some pugs who were running around being chased by a buffed supervisor at our Arah’s and God’s instead of following me was a worth it. <3 Deso

So are early morning Golem rushes from you guys on Riverside normal? You tried it twice on our EB keep but failed both times, sorry for all the AC’s though but we are just taking advantage of a overpowered game mechanic and we had no other way to defend ourselves.
It looks like Viz is just too strong especially during the day atm you don’t need to nightcap as such which we’ve been sorta doing but I think we are all just trying to show we are still willing to fight it’s just that we all want a balanced matchup cause it’s not worth the sleepless nights!

I’ve seen a few good mesmer commanders on my server and a few good thief commanders like me that aren’t zerker and don’t die as easily as you think, esp if you keep your zerg close together

It’s basic but vital zerg strategy, I’ve not really noticed many Ranger or engineer commanders around, otherwise its the usual Guardians and Warriors meta.

That is sad to hear it was nice to face a fresh opponent despite being matched with Viz again obviously its more interesting with 3 servers fighting with equal enough numbers on level terms esp during prime.
Regardless I think we’ve had some good fights with you guys already, I hope we get still get some more before the reset.

I can survive big zerg fights commanding or not without abusing stealth with the support of others and I’ve got good DPS, good mobility, a good amount of armor and HP with the addition of bloodlust and a Sigil of Fire, so it’s not impossible..

It doesn’t matter what profession really rather than go with the cliche choice just buy a tag with one you are most skilled with and have a solid mobile or tanky enough build to avoid getting taken down too easily, you just need the knowledge about wvw and each class and to put it to good use to lead the pugs.

Well after all the hard work this past week we just get Vizunah again? I hope Desolation doesn’t just focus on farming lootbags, we need to try the best we can and keep working on things we’ve done well over the past week, even though Viz will probably overpower us with their coverage and organization. I feel slightly more sorry for Riverside who are 9 ranks below Vizunah , but here’s to a enjoyable week of this matchup.

Well done on 2nd place my fellow Desolators, I do feel sorry for Kodash though I know you lost many big guilds like we did but still fight on for each other.
I’m positive we’ll get a balanced and interesting matchup this time.

I suppose points don’t really matter for Elona but we want to finish 2nd for once as silly as it sounds cause we’ve been ‘losing’ for months even though we could well end up with Vizunah or any other server which would be too strong for us. PV’dooring isn’t that enjoyable even its within the rules but we had some good fights last night and I had fun finding ways to avoid getting hit by tons of AC’s.
[EXG] actually didn’t have a official raid going last night I was given control of the pugs with the help of some of my guildies on Deso BL, it wasn’t easy with them skirmishing everywhere at first only for them to eventually learn to follow my tag but with the help of AFTL and other it worked out in the end. There is more to following a tag though on EB it seems different but I’ve heard of losing T3 towers for silly reasons, our pugs still have alot to learn other than joining the zerg then again I think most servers rely on their pugs outside of prime time and we have to end up border hopping most of the days to improve our PPT like at night instead of stacking on EB yet we need to be careful of burn out.

We held Cliffside against 20 BB who needed help from another 20-25 man guild for about 50 minutes we just simply outsmarted them. Viz aren’t all that bad though I was on their borderland during prime time and they ninja’d Bay and Hills behind our backs, so they CAN use their numbers to their advantage not just to form a blob.
By the way I am sorry if we’ve left Deso BL to fend for itself I do not make the decisions which guild goes where, I’ve commanded on there and it’s not been easy.

It seems as though Viz got paranoid with BB point tick during the night that they couldn’t counter..

http://imageshack.us/f/94/w6q8.jpg/

Anyway nice fights last night and a wave to that Bull guy who joined my party and turned out to be someone who knows me from EB when he was on Deso! :p

It’s a mixed bag not a outright nerf..

If they were thinking cluster bomb spamming was a problem why not increase initiative cost to 4 instead of nerf the range it’s already slow as heck? I don’t play pvp that much but IMO it’s not a problem in pve or wvw..