Guild Wars 2

These kind of threads goes to show what little Knowledge people have of thieves and our viable builds.
You can easily avoid a C&D, which burns alot of our initiative compared to a Dagger/Pistol thief that has an Smoke Field that enables us to stealth, that is truly “Cheese” mode unlike the more ‘Niche’ D/D Thieves.

They’re wrong when they say that, but yeah the meta is generally: Eles, Heavies and Necros, I do not like to follow that “Inside the Box” thinking, although I believe this order is more important: Build> Skill > Meta.

Maybe I am wrong because I do not wish to reroll a heavy class for “easy mode” if it’s like that, nor do I just want to be a class like a Mesmer just to be a veilbot, I’ve felt it’s been much more rewarding trying to master my Build and Class to get the best of it, even on the frontlines.
Anet has failed to bring Build and Class diversity making them viable for all sorts of situations, especially for us Thieves and many other classes like Rangers,.
That shouldn’t stop you from playing the Class YOU want to play though.

I play an evasive S/D thief, with this new cast time to Infiltrator’s Return it does change everything especially in wvw where every second counts, I use IR to get away from AOE/CC and to clear conditions whenever possible because I don’t put any points into Shadow Arts at all, stealth isn’t a tool I want to use if possible.

As we all know by now Hard to Catch won’t compensate for this nerf, as it doesn’t get rid of CC nor do you have control over it, you are also shaving off our Vigor uptime which also makes this build less viable, what I can only think of is going back to using Signet of Agility, but that would be like pigeon holing us into using certain signets now.

In fact I might have to be more selfish with what Traits/Utilities I use just to survive myself, even Shadow Refuge may need to be dropped.
How about making Bountiful Theft less random and more useful now the Vigor uptime will be lower, we only have the ability to strip one boon using LS + two extra random boons for not the whole duration nor the stacks, gives us options to offer more support other than venoms which need to be reworked.

You aren’t giving us much options with all these changes, Perma stealth needed to be addressed but Sword Mainhand because of stomping seriously?

I’ve never really see many S/D roamers myself it’s mostly D/P thieves, and I never use SS/IR to stomp it costs 5 initiative just like FS/LS, what you should be doing is maintaining the viability of everything at our disposable, not nerfing things for the sake of what you think is balancing.

This includes our Active Initiative regen, now your plan is to shave off alot of our Traits that allow that in return for better Passive regen, but that would mean as mentioned that we would need to disengage, as much as you want us to engage into a fight.

I haven’t been playing for a whole week but I imagine the QQ has been over a familiar theme, I’ve been on a break from the “graveyard” shift and the game cause I’ve been losing interest in playing for a while; the queues, lag and the quality level of our wvw has dropped to a level which has been frustrating. (the upcoming balancing patch doesn’t help matters!)

Most of us care about the PPT even though it may not be to many others liking; we’d rather face good resistance at night rather than it ending up PVD, and we lack the dedicated wvw guilds since many of them left in the past few months, or it’s just that the queues prevent us from getting our Guilds onto the same maps.

I think many of us know we could improve in organizing our pugs better but it’s not easy, the will to win Season One in the Silver Leagues among the community is high, personally I think the Leagues have only shown up the flaws of wvw even more.

Our dedicated wvwers will try to make the most of it and look forward to the good fights that we can find, while trying to do our best for the community.
I am sure we strive to improve ourselves no matter how long the PVE pugs will stay, we smell victory but we don’t want to grow a reputation that we’re bad fighters. or not very organized at prime time.

With those who are willing to learn, I hope we can change people’s minds about us for the duration of the leagues alongside us veterans.

Sanduskel.1850:

ANET – I love the thief changes. HOwever, please consider improving ability to create better non stealth builds by thinking through how we can support groups in wvw. thank you.

Which is where Bountiful Theft comes in handy as a support, only the boons you strip are pretty useless, so the drastic drop towards the Vigor uptime would be counter-productive to the idea of them giving us more build diversity.

If you still think it’s a good idea to add a cast time to Shadow Return/Infiltrator’s Return, I still insist that you should consider making it a Stun breaker once again, which would compensate for the nerf.
I agree that Kleptomaniac should be kept as it is since we are putting points into Trickery instead of elsewhere, we get to steal every 29-35s so there shouldn’t be a nerf for the sake of nerfing, you should be making these traits viable at the same time.

That’s why I said you’ll have to make the best out of the situation, your wvw pop doesn’t seem to have gotten much of a boost from the PVE’ers like us, I’m not sure if Drakkar or RoS would do any better.

It doesn’t seem like the Leagues has brought about competitive matchups in terms of Points as we should’ve expected, but it’s gonna be a close call by the end of Season One and there’s plenty of good fights to be found, I just wish there wasn’t so many queues and lag whenever it happens.

Yeah the Skill lag shouldn’t be so bad this week, I feel sorry for Underworld once again; you guys are free points most of the time really, you probably shouldn’t in this League but there’s 5 more weeks of this, you’ll have to make the most of it.

I’m liking the friendly atmosphere around this thread, looking forward to getting back to playing soon.

TheGreatA.4192:

I feel there are strong players in Desolation (I’ve definitely had my hands full in smaller fights) but without proper builds/organization there is not much that can be done.

It might be that Saturday was simply an off day for Desolation though, we will see what happens during the remaining week.

I think we were also up against it with Fort Ranik and Millers last week, especially when MYA was on our Borderland, but FR’s Prime time was later than ours.

I agree with what you said though, there is definitely room for improvement from us in these fights, it also depends on the commander and how cooperative- and knowledgeable the pugs; the queues can bring up some unpredictable results.

It’s now November so we have new Monthly achievements and we have the momentum after winning two consecutive weeks, even though that it may be solely due to coverage our Pug force is still motivated, for now.

TheGreatA.4192:

Desolation definitely needs better organization for their large groups. It’s not that the players involved are bad, but they are unorganized and for the most part get beaten by themselves due to lack of coordination. In small scale the fights are more difficult but in large scale battles the glassy roaming/dueling builds do not hold up.

Right now the only reason Desolation are leading on points is their coverage during times that AG have almost 0 players online. You need to step it up as far as organizing things, using voice comms and proper builds for zerging purposes I think.

Yeah we had the same problem with Gandara a couple of weeks back, it’s just that our Dedicated wvwer/Guild/Pug ratio is more often than not imbalanced with a variation of builds and classes (and uplevels) s, unless most of our Guilds are able raid at the same time and days of the week; on the same Borderland.
Even if we wanted to get one of our Guilds on our Home Borderlands, there’s nothing we can do if it’s filled up with a hour long queue, so it’s natural that they end up on another Borderlands to look for fights.

Personally I do hope ANet can find a way so that the PPT is more relevant during European Prime Time or by the early afternoon which would help make these match-ups more competitive, especially when there are Guild Raids running, while allowing people to play when they want- at whatever time, no matter the timezone.

I’ve been on a 5 day break from GW2 anyway, see you guys on the Battlefield soon, Commanding or roaming somewhere.

I can’t see how you think you are balancing out Thieves survivability by drastically reducing our mobility, especially as we do not have easy access to most boons. unless you run a rune set like Lyssa.
Mobility apart from Stealth, and the upside you get from pairing it with Health Regen under stealth are what helps keeps us alive in big/small scale fights.
Traits like Hard to Catch won’t compensate for the loss of our mobility- Assassins Reward being a GM trait and Scale with Healing Power; it’s a Stat that we hardly pay attention to because it scales badly for thieves.

The Nerfs to our Vigor uptime IMO are over the top along with the increased cast time to Shadow Return/Infiltrator’s Return, Sword mainhand is going to take a big hit to it’s viability- so why not make SR/IR a stun breaker once again?

I can accept the changes to how we Regen our Init, I put 20 into the Trickery line so I don’t really need Quick Recovery, I can always use Infiltrators signet if I need it, but D/P will still be a strong set to use, while Sword Builds may well become even more niche despite the small PW Buff.

But the evidence has been there from those who still play regularly since the games’ launch, it’s about time we get official numbers and start thinking about how we can make the PPT system more relevant during regular hours, I really want to see more competitive matchups that are not complete blowouts after a few days.

Give us Guilds more incentive to play for the PPT, make it feel like we make more of contribution, and make it more so small groups can make a contribution.

However I have to say that we cannot stop people playing when they want or when they can, I have met many people from different countries who have made a valuable contribution towards our wvw community.
There is also the advantage that ‘International’ Servers have over ‘National’ Servers where most people know the Universal Language that is English, unless you are Vizunah of course.

I’ve been on Desolation since October, we’ve been through many ups and downs, falling and rising; up the ranks and Tiers during the time I’ve been on here as you may have read, or seen for yourselves if you’ve been competing among the top of Tiers of the EU ladder.

I’ve seen both sides of the story where we’ve been stuck in Tier 1 for months despite losing our biggest and most influential Guild, to the time we rebuilt our community to rise back to become one of the top 5 servers in the EU, and lastly for us to face more drama which has left us with only a handful of wvw guilds left: which led us to dropping to the lowest rank we’ve ever been.

Point Per Tick

For me I like the general idea of the PPT, I like the coordination and strategy needed if there’s a close matchup, but we rarely see that these day.
A single Server can achieve a 400+ PPT through night capping or Alarm clocking in the morning, a single Zerg or what we call a “Karma Train” can simply capture an entire Borderlands with ease, it doesn’t matter if you make use of the Siegerazer and Siegecrusher Events as that “Karma Train” can just come back and cap everything back in the matter of minutes with everything wooden, being outnumbered is too much of a hindrance to bother playing unless that “Karma train” is stopped.

Sure it takes a lot of dedication and sacrifice (sleep!) especially if you are like me, I am one of the lead commanders of Desolation’s night crew, before the Leagues began thanks to RNG matchups we’ve been up against higher Tier servers with much more coverage than we do., but I relished the challenge it’s just a shame we get no support fighting outnumbered against zergs banging on our gates with Golems and Rams with mastery these days.

Naturally we’ve dropped down the Ranks and into the Silver Leagues due to the loss of many Guilds, but as everyone has noticed we have healthy lead in this current round of matchups after winning the last round with fair ease.
My point is from my experience from being steamrolled by other servers, to dominating the Silver League thus far is that I do not feel the PPT system is fair or fulfilling: it is bad game design that needs a rethink.

The problem is that defending has little reward compared to attacking objectives which brings about the zerg meta, more dedicated wvwers will understand and have a sense of fulfillment taking up these smaller tasks besides defending: escorting and killing Dolyaks, sniping camps, scouting, upgrading, and sieging/refreshing siege.

Server Transfers

I would like to think many of us know how much work is put in behind the scenes from people that dedicate their time towards organizing their wvw Community, drama and politics often happen among a server community even more so these days due to queues and lag, Players and Guilds can easily afford to transfer to another server due to transfer costs that do not take account wvw population.

The worse thing Anet did was to lower the transfer cost to High population servers before the Leagues started, this allowed band-wagoners to stack up on servers which did not need anymore wvwers, it has resulted in longer queues than it would’ve been without these additional transfers.

Transfers should have been closed as soon as wvw Season 1 began cause transfer as that will will end make matchups even more imbalanced and it will damage many wvw communities who will stuck in their current League for 6 more weeks, we are even seeing Guilds leave mainly due to the queues.

As much as it was a good idea to try to bring PVE’ers into wvw, it has done damage to some communities as a result with increased queue times and huge amounts of skill lag.
Many of them have little knowledge about wvw that they end up wandering about themselves, or they just end up following whatever zerg is around as a result, and they often test the patience of our commanders.
There are some that are willing to learn though, eventually they may end up in wvw Guild.

Anet should be trying to give more incentive for Guilds and Players to stick with their Community in for the long run, from my own experience I’ve seen many Friends and Guilds leave Desolation for servers which cost much less than ourselves, so we have to rely on our PVE population to boost our numbers in wvw, which will fluctuate during the Leagues.
There are communities that have ended up fragmented, or they were deserted by so many guilds, that they have ended up free-falling down the Tiers as a result.

Queues and Population Numbers

As everybody has asked for what we need is official wvw population numbers from Anet to properly correlate the difference between each Server, to get a real idea of the differences between coverage and population, and if at all possible the numbers that get stuck in the queue during prime time.

Thanks for the fights on Deso BL during prime time last night, as far as I remember we went up against 3 Guild Groups (Azm, Army and I forgot the 3rd), I ended up leading the pug zerg after I managed to get in there through the random queue.

You guys really kept us on our toes all night, we had to try outmaneuver you guys with the help of some of our scouts it was successful most of the time, leading the pug zerg is not so easy as they often wandered off to chase after one guy, and not everyone was on TS.

Due to the queues we couldn’t really expect to get a Guild on there, so apologies for the blobbing but sometimes it felt like we had less people, there were very few EXG on the Borderland so I don’t think you can complain about any EXG blob, I just ended up tagging up on there by chance, with the support of CS.

Surely not every 5-10 man group goes out of their way to gank and interrupt fights?
From my own experience against AM and Gandara last week, yes I often ended up being outnumbered, I’ve often seen my own Guildies ganking people and vice versa cause they just want to fight something, it happens because you can’t always expect a fair fight while roaming, and sometimes you’ll get blobbed during the process.

On the subject about population imbalances and PPT, playing for the PPT can be fun if the matchup is close- it gives everybody something to do other than zerging if they choose to do so, but with the leagues at the moment and the influx of pugs some servers have received you know what the majority will do.

Due to the coverage gaps of certain servers of course there will be servers with superior coverage that take advantage of that, as a result gain so many points from off peak but you can’t stop people playing when they can or want.

There must be a way to stop the Karma trains though, personally I’ve been one of the people leading Deso’s night crew for the past few months, even when we’ve been matched up against Gold League servers I find it more of a challenge and reward against good resistance, so I can put to use actual strategy even if we have to make use of tons of siege while being on the defensive and while outnumbered.

Golem prices on the TP are ridiculously low and NPC breakout events alone are not enough incentive to encourage people to keep fighting outnumbered especially if they’re losing badly, not every server got their wvw population boosted by the Leagues either.

It’s too much about quantity than quality in wvw, aswell as specific meta’s rather than more outside of the box thinking.

AtomicDan.9253:

Minfast.5489:

Dyno.9467:

AgentChaos.4932:

on deso bl all fr and deso do are blob. seriously cant get a decent fight all night everywhere we go its blob blob blob. our 20 man raid cant do kitten T_T

Its funny how its always the server getting thrashed that says they dont blob, drop down to the bronze league if your guilds not happy

How about Deso stop pretending they are a Silver League server and make every other server in Silver happy

As a Deso player myself, I have to agree. There is no way we should be in silver, after seeing the amount of players we can throw at this. Next league I fully expect us to be in gold, whether we like it or not.

I have to be honest here and say this, if we were in the Gold Leagues our pugs would probably shy away from the challenge, currently and I say currently we had queues during this afternoon on all 4 Maps, it’s the weekend though but if we had this coverage if we went up against strong resistance it might seem we are good enough for the Gold League, however I feel we are not organized enough for the Gold League.

We still have yet to face every other server in the Silvers to properly Gauge where we are, we have a influx of pugs that has boosted our wvw population but for how long? We would ideally need more dedicated wvw guilds, or we could try to split up our Zergs somehow, but not all our Guilds can get on the same map right now and those zergs wouldn’t be up to the level of more organized Guild Group, still you will find we have a decent amount of individually skilled fighters with good wvw builds and our remaining Guilds can put up a good fight on their own.

Anyway let’s enjoy the good fights while we can get it, I’ll be commanding, Roaming and Scouting all week, I hope to see some good Sportmanship on the Battlefield!

We could’ve run tagless to be honest, we had GoD with us but it wasn’t my call, apologies to MYA who put up a good fight and kept coming back to fight us despite getting blobbed.

I had some awesome fights while roaming tonight, I don’t think I see many Sword/Dagger thieves running about, so I’m probably unique enough to you guys roaming about.
Thanks to the friendly Gandarans especially when I transformed into tonic form and you TDA guys!

Nice job everyone on Deso for winning this week, despite some of our struggles with the pug influx and even when Night capping is a sensitive subjec it’s a part of wvw; it’s a 24 hour war, let’s carry on the momentum into next week!

I had an interesting time on Deso Borderlands tonight, Garri was sieged up so poorly with normal Arrow carts, and we had a pug zerg which was very uncoordinated yet the first time after a loooonnng 3-way inside with major skill lag we managed to defend it, it was only until the Abaddon’s blob came back for another attempt we finally lost it.

I’ve spent almost 4 hours watching Garri fall constantly since, sieged it up to no avail, but it worked out in the end.
Thanks for the fights on there tonight despite the lag, I was leading the zerg on there with mainly a Ranged Pug composition which I didn’t realize until later, we did eventually wipe you Gandarans inside Garri after we flipped it before you could break the inner gate down!

To the BORD MESMER who was AFK near the NE (?) Bloodlust buff that I didn’t attack, thanks for showing back respect even though I had an EXG tag, also to TDA and the rest of you roamers; see you out there on my own using my own personal Guild tag , even though it often ends up with me running away from you all who chase after me.

How do you know Abaddon’s about? INCOMING LAG SPIKE!!

Eldanesh.2390:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

I have no hard feelings towards TDA, but I will hunt your Thieves down for all the ganking you’ve done to me so far this week, even though I know somebody has been trying to stop it!

I wish you the best of luck, but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t go the way you want it to

Ohohoho I know who you are, I’ll bring my easy mode build just for you.

Anyway I had fun leading the main zerg on AM BL this afternoon, we had very good cooperation going on with PT.

Haha with all the people chasing after me, after I mentioned that I would be roaming <3 you bunch of Bounty hunters you!
I have no hard feelings towards TDA, but I will hunt your Thieves down for all the ganking you’ve done to me so far this week, even though I know somebody has been trying to stop it!
Hello to you Crow guys atm on Gandara, you guys are frustrating to fight, but I’ve had some fun fights tonight!

Roaming about the Borderlands atm with my [SoRo] Tag, see you there!
Ready or not, here I come, you can’t hide xD

Anyways as you’ve noticed we don’t have the coverage during the mornings, everything got reset on the Borderlands so we had to start from scratch, I had to tag up early in the afternoon, despite some of the troubles I had with the influx of pugs as per usual we did alright.
Abaddon’s you seriously need to get your pugs to run full PVT, you guys melt like butter.

Spears.5381:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

I like fighting Gandara though, it’s not our fault we have to end up blobbing in the end, the only way you can counter each’s others blob is to blob anyway, which we all seem to end up doing to counter each other, I’d be interested in trying to split groups up and try out some different tactics though.

What…?
Yesterday in AM Borderland, [WvW] had 30 or so. [FRI] ran with 15 I think and Krosis (later Bjorn) had 40 or so I guess. We never had these at the same place, except if we called for help.

So don’t try excusing your blobbing by saying we blobbed in AM BL. The only reason you and we had skill lag is because of the EXG Blob and don’t try to blame us for that.

AM was blobbing on their anyway as usual, we decided to tag up cause we had most of the pugs following us we, it was lagging for several reasons especially Anet’s servers, and due to the big fights we had.
On the other hand we struggled on Deso BL against two opposing blobs, as we had a disorganized and uncooperative pug zerg.
Nice Footage Frou! <3

I kinda got frustrated by the lag myself, Abaddon’s lack of organization on their own Borderlands led to them running away was pretty sad to see.
I like fighting Gandara though, it’s not our fault we have to end up blobbing in the end, the only way you can counter each’s others blob is to blob anyway, which we all seem to end up doing to counter each other, I’d be interested in trying to split groups up and try out some different tactics though.

Deso Borderlands was a mess though when I tagged up, we had queues yet Bay and Hills had waypoints which weren’t even ours.
I’ve heard of more players inside the JP, than fighting for their wvw community.

Prysin.8542:

gabal.4520:

Have to love those 6am golem rushes at EB Keep. I think Deso had more omega golems then we had defenders in map at that moment.

Time to get used to it…

when i read this, all i can think of as an reply is: “No point in golem rushing, unless you do it properly”

Well we did take Tier 3 Bay on your Borderlands, with just rams!
Golems prices on the TP are ridiculous though.

@Prevvy I’ve had the same problem this week, I often hear the name “Gankdara” but I don’t have a big grudge against you guys, it’s just some misunderstandings that led to all this unnecessary QQ.
One hour ago I had Gandarans go 2v1 against my Alt I don’t even know how to play, besides mashing every button I have!
Apologies about the griefing/teabagging on my behalf, but you can’t control everyone!

Interesting fights on UW BL just now, I must of put a big Target on myself after posting about my Roaming tag and all!
Apologies about forgetting about the post I made about me looking for Duels, I got caught up with having to Command 5 hours last night.

Regardless of the talk of us tanking we lost alot of dedicated wvw guilds, yes we have a high PVE/PVP population but that doesn’t equate to us being a Gold League server, the quality level of our pugs varies as you may or may not noticed tonight, and our numbers suddenly drop against tougher servers.

By the way thanks for the fights on Deso BL, I was leading the pugs on there and it was hard work as most had a mind of their own until later on with so many of your guilds put Garri under pressure for such a long period, we had my own Guild supporting us for a bit, and then INVI but afaik they moved to EB cause that was a mess aswell tonight.
I don’t know is this the influx of Pugs trying out wvw or not a day before, but they’ll need strong leadership.

Well seems they fixed Leg specialist in last nights build, anyway enough about GvGs I’m looking for some Duels with my [SoRo] tag, look out for me!
I will get you next time BORD mesmer south of SM without interruption, and wherever you are Frou! (I promise I won’t have a zerg behind me :>)

canadez.5328:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

canadez.5328:

iorlas.6721:

deso tanked to get into silver they have more than enough to push for top spot,watch em all come outa the woodwork once the league starts.

Actually Desolation and Underworld did send out the majority of their WvW Guilds to other servers so they don’t move up or stay in Gold League. Simply not to raise suspicion. Those tricky kittens. I’ll tell you all guilds will return to their home server on thursday. Rumours say even IRON will go back to Desolation.

I’d be surprised if IRON came back, they burned many bridges as it is.
Yes we’ve overtaken Gandara overnight, but Gandara also has a big PVE population waiting for the leagues to start, I doubt they’ll be many transfers in for us as compared to everyone else who is not 1800 gems like us.

Yes, the irony heh? Its a master plan. PVE population is the key.

- dropping in ranks as fast as Ins Paintrain
- PVE players stocking up on gold for massive transfers
- the sudden uprising this matchup

It all fits together like a puzzle. Man, big things are going down! IRON used NA just for training purposes. You gotta do what you gotta do for those big prizes in Silver League.

And as a sidenote Crimson as a fellow Desolation player you should know better ,)

I am Rubio by the way..
‘Blobbadons’ will most likely come out top even though these guys are even more squishy than vizunah as they will have the superior coverage, but the way the rating system and how the player population counts the overall population, there is going to be a few surprises.
I’m not sure about the xfer cost of other servers, but reading a bit earlier today FSP has an NA guild now.

canadez.5328:

iorlas.6721:

deso tanked to get into silver they have more than enough to push for top spot,watch em all come outa the woodwork once the league starts.

Actually Desolation and Underworld did send out the majority of their WvW Guilds to other servers so they don’t move up or stay in Gold League. Simply not to raise suspicion. Those tricky kittens. I’ll tell you all guilds will return to their home server on thursday. Rumours say even IRON will go back to Desolation.

I’d be surprised if IRON came back, they burned many bridges as it is.
Yes we’ve overtaken Gandara overnight, but Gandara also has a big PVE population waiting for the leagues to start, I doubt they’ll be many transfers in for us as compared to everyone else who is not 1800 gems like us.

It’s been a weird day/night even though I’ve only been on during the evening, but we could all notice the little resistance today, and then we had that new build with mesmers doing insane damage just by jumping off stuff, which I’m sure everyone has been doing so we shouldn’t be pointing fingers towards each other.

It turns out we’ve been running Karma trains for most of the day apart from the early evening, which is by no means something we enjoy nor want to do every day/night. Hopefully the leagues there will be a more ‘competitive’ matchups that last the week even with influx of pugs..

I had a crazy night on EB, we held Deso Valley despite multiple assaults from you BB guys, it may have sieged up like crazy but we didn’t have any massive zergs at that point at night. to defend ourselves.
It was great to see the fight and resolve is still there on Deso despite the problems I had leading earlier on with the pugs scattered everywhere, and our ongoing internal rebuilding.

I’ve had some fun on EB late last night and this afternoon, thanks to all that followed me, even after the wipes we got plenty of lootbags and wrecked havoc!
See you around wherever I end up; commanding or Scouting zergs from afar hehehe.

Thanks for the fun on Deso BL last night, especially those who turned up in numbers to fight for our Borderlands.
I’m looking forward to the week Deso BL as a Commanding or Scouting whenever I’m needed much as possible so watch out, I’m not your everyday Thief! :p

^^Hello
As you can see Desolation is going through some tough times, probably the worst state we’ve ever been, but we have still people making that effort and putting up a fight even on the Borderlands where we are often outnumbered. So Thumbs up to them and everyone else, I think we’ll drop down alot ranks now, but Desolation won’t go down without a fight, I’ll be trying to rally people on the Borderlands whenever possible even if I end up with a 5 man zerg..

Cya on the Battlefield!

The focus on our Lowlands EB keep last night was insane,credit to you Baruch guys for flipping it, but on our side it was chaos without TS I had to type a thousands words per second or something like that, we ran out of supply so we couldn’t build anymore counter siege without supply runs which was hard to get by, and then we tried to take on you guys outnumbered 3:1; it was impossible odds.

Yeah we’ll drop a few ranks due to the loss of coverage and numbers after this matchup, no matter what they say about ‘playing bad’ to get to the Silver leagues.
Deso has got alot more of rebuilding and reorganization than it ever has had to do to even be competitive there, there’s things happening to our community that some people may try to brush under the carpet, but it’s happening.

Sorry I brought this out in public, but it has to be said.

I am naturally disappointed to hear the news, I feel angry and let down in fact.
I think you guys did a fantastic job at first to rally the community to fight back no matter the opposition, but you guys did it at a cost as you tried to take on too much.

It doesn’t matter to me if we’re No.1 or No.15 on the EU ladder, that would take so much time and hard work, a much stronger wvw community with more dedicated guilds/wvwers than the community could muster, especially with the 1800 gem transfer cost to Deso.

I wish you guys well on Piken especially those who I always felt would back me up whenever I tagged up, started the ‘Facerubio’ meme that spread through the Deso wvw community and whom I had some good times during those months we helped put Deso on the right track, I’m just sad history had to repeat itself for Desolation.
I’m sure wherever Deso ends up in the Leagues we’ll be fighting the best we can, no matter the drama and politics that seems to hit our community.

No to stat Boosts from the buff, this is just going reward the servers with the most coverage and without a player cap the side with the most players at their expense on the maps.
Look at the bigger picture, it’ll just further imbalance things when it’s those who are outnumbered who need an incentive to play.

http://i.imgur.com/K4pOEPg.jpg

This is how it was at 19:00GMT we were outnumbered on our Home Borderlands. Lately the communication, coordination and fighting spirit we used to have that rallied the community for a while seems to have dissipated, it feels like Deso has gone backwards.
The pugs get easily demoralized so they end up going back to old habits and stacking on EB, cause a couple of weeks ago we usually had the outnumbered buff on there, but now we struggle for numbers on the Borderlands.

It’s true that what pugs expect is reward which you get from lootbags and WXP, many of our pugs are not as dedicated or hardcore as we are,but we can’t expect that as we are High pop cause of our PVE population and a strong PVP community.
We truly lack dedicated wvw players who know what builds to use and the fundamentals of wvw besides zerging, but this is no bash towards them as I was once a PVE’er; they can become something more than a ‘clueless’ pug like I was.

As for complaining about x server having more coverage where was the complaining when we were face rolling lower ranked servers with less coverage and running Karma Trains which has seemed to made us complacent? There is no population cap at any hour there never has been..
We should blame ANET for this matchup system that doesn’t take into account wvw population, but what servers can we truly expect have a balanced matchup against like we did back in February without it being too one sided?

SFR has a strong wvw community and it’s one of the top servers as they are so well coordinated and organized with the dedicated community they have, you’ll no doubt attract many server bandwagoners as we used to have back in the day when we were T1 server with many more dedicated wvw Guilds due to success.

Knote.2904:

2. Larcenous Strike was a skill that did too many things, dmg, evasion, AND a massive utility (spammable 2 boon STEAL). That is huge, and it has to lose one of those. I would probably have chosen a dmg reduction instead TBH. So Larcenous is utility/defensive skill with some dmg and Auto’s are your bread n butter dmg, but w/e.

Stop freaking out..

Larcenous Strike does not have an Evade it is one stab after using Flanking strike and it is pretty slow cast time.
I mainly use it for my evading build so I can use the evades from Flanking strike.

FrouFrou.4958:

JDGE versus EXG GvG video, stopped recording when people started to dc and forgot to turn it back on so missed some fights :< I hope you guys have them all, would be nice to see what got us killed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kn9n634jnKA

If the video is blocked in your country due the music ’n stoof, use hidemyass.com and enjoy!

Thanks Frou and JDGE for the footage and the GvG despite the interruptions especially those darn Warthogs! I think some of our guys has the entire GvG I’ve only got a few of the rounds in and for the rest of it I didn’t have the best view of the fights while trying to take care of any pugs trying to interrupt.

Laeir.5197:

Thief:

Larcenous Strike — If you reduce the boon steal from 2 to 1, this skill is going to need something. Maybe you could move the Initiative cost back down from 2 to 1, or reduce the cast time to improve its DPS. Otherwise you could just go back to the original Flanking Strike design while retaining the improved pathing and have a better skill.

As this guy says if it costs the same amount initiative you’re nerfing a build that isn’t as high DPS as other builds like D/P and D/d and narrowed down the viable builds to us rather than giving us diversity.

I hope you guys intend to give back something to balance out the nerf and don’t tell me we have Bountiful Theft cause that doesn’t even strip all the might Stacks someone may have.

I’m sorry to bump this but the lowest price for the golem is 23s on the European TP which is quite frankly ridiculous, Golem prices have been going down lately in particular Omega Golems rather than up.

They so very hard to counter even with everything sieged up fairly well, you need to refresh defensive siege periodically before they despawn and enough people to man them it is just too easy for these Karma trains to steamroll T3 keeps and towers with ease.
So with all these Siege masteries you’ve buffed almost all siege to a point where you’ve sped up wvw so much with cheap attainable Superior Siege and Golems.

street.2176:

Nice fights with DVG and EXT (?) yesterday at Gandara Bay, even though we didnt get the bay while you were defending, we both mustve gotten a hell lot of lootbags^^

It’s EXG but one of our Officers who is also a wvw PVE commander and slayer of the Grub and Wurm likes the name EXT.
There were some good fights on Gandara BL last night but it was very blobby and laggy at the same time

Agincourt.7165:

Joke of the day -

How many Desolation to take a Paper Tower with 3 defenders?

50+ and Golems

You guys are good lol thank kitten i’m not playing on a big server lol

It appears we have had an influx of pugs this week there’s nothing we can do to stop them joining the zerg unless we run tagless, but running a community commander has been something we’ve had to do against larger population servers like SFR and Viz recently.

We will lose rating points this week anyway yet next week we could face anyone it seems after the sort of servers we’ve ended up with the past month, apparently we’re ranked 3rd are no where near good enough to compete with the top 2 with this current system they’ve yet to tweak.

As a commander you can stop people needlessly wasting golems but the TP prices are still ridiculously low, anyone can buy and build silly amounts of them even to take down wooden towers.

FrouFrou.4958:

Not really too fond of the Blobbadons, but it’s going to be awesome to clash swords with some ol’ fellow Deso mates.

Sorry for killing your earlier but I waved at you and you waved back, so I guess we’re cool? :P

Nice to see JDGE again, it may not be the most balanced matchup but looking forward to some fun fights this week and we can also take things easy.

Troma.3250:

Btw some Vizunians must come back to earth: There is a new summer wave of arrogant people, trashing the PvE players, thinking they are kings, even some saying “Grand Cross is useless, i make new rules” (ok guy, gogo, i watch it), or few commanders who do not want to learn (i’m perfect). For them, i just want a slap in the face. The slap of reality.

Take note people!
By the way DVG ran tagless while I was commanding the pugs on EB hope you guys learned alot tonight, it was a fun night with us often being blobbed but we earned a good amount of WXP and I had lots of happy pugs.

Deso obviously lacks the dedicated players who want to fight for the server that these two have, many would rather farm in PVE but that’s been the case since IRON was here yet we’ve still been up there and despite having to rebuild 3 times we’ve bounced back. Hopefully we’ve learn from any past dramas to avoid that happening again.

@Wemil good luck with that lol, you guys have done an amazing job reaching the top once more.

Thanks to all who followed me last night on EB even if we were outnumbered and sorry for the mistakes I made it’s been a long time since I commanded during prime time and I just came back from a long walk IRL!
One day I hope more people will learn to stick to the tag and then maybe get on TS as it’s much easier to talk than type what I want to do.
If you find me out roaming I’m a S/D thief with a survivable build so go easy on me.