Guild Wars 2

I quite like the Trait changes but changes like the reduced range of cluster bomb and the fact Shadow Return is no longer stun breaker changes alot IMO, at least we could of had a trait to increase cluster bomb range rather than a outright nerf.

Last night on Deso BL was epic despite the fact we went through tough times we somehow defended Garrison despite all the pressure from you both it’s nice to see we’re still fighting for Deso not just in another world on EB, we had commanders tagging off cause of the pugs and there wasn’t many on TS for a long period so it was an even bigger achievement the first time when we did not have reinforcements from EB until much later.
I’m looking forward to more good fights both small and large scale while I command.

To be honest you can wipe a zerg with a ton of superior AC’s with the amount of people we had, we shouldn’t be surprised that Viz has superior coverage and that their pugs run squishy builds besides some of their guilds it’s just stupid how we’re matched up with them and BB again even though the latter we’ll get good fights regularly thanks to these randomized matchups. I’m actually not looking forward to Friday’s rest that much anymore!

As for bragging about lootbags that is not the reward and satisfaction I find from wvw even though I do like lootbags and good fights it isn’t something we can gauge from about the overall skill and communication/cooperation/organization of Deso which is inconsistent. We got Bay and Hills on our BL upgraded with waypoints, we had people retaking, scouting our stuff at 10am my time in the morning but later in the day we lost both and got double teamed due to some of the above reasons. I never slept much myself last night just to get EB back on its feet, we do have dedicated people willing to work together on Deso if only we could just do things more consistently like get the pugs to listen, learn and to get more guilds not just the people zerging for lootbags and WXP which turns into less about individual skill and often causes lag as you get up to 25+ in a zerg.

We also shouldn’t be so selective when it comes to blobbing we all do it at one point it’s not much to be proud even once you can get pugs to follow the tag which I know is hard but even when you wipe guild groups it’s strength in numbers almost like Vizunah has the luxury of most of the time, what everyone should do is be more coordinated and efficient when we have the numbers and stop the blob warfare.

Hule.8794:

OMG RoF-Gandara-Miller’S really Anet?
ranks 21-15-12

I’ve got to love Desolations luck at the moment Kodash and SFR wasn’t so bad considering, wow this system is bad for us and some others we are trying to rebuild our community but get matched with more organized better wvw populated servers.

I’m looking forward to fighting Baruch again you were a great challenge and we had some good fights the other week but holy crap Anet Vizunah again?!
We actually did well the past week I don’t mean in a zerg or such we actually managed to compete well against stronger servers and we were better organized at times but we have alot to work on it would have been nice to get a matchup more within our wvw population.

Axle.5182:

It’s not a case where they are simply unintelligent they just lack any self discipline resulting in their selfish need for loot bags, daily achievements and WXP to take priority.

When compared with pure WvW and some PVX guild players those guys know the formalities involved and they know what is expected from them and thier proffesion, they can wander too but in general are more inclined to do what they’re asked rather than randoms where the commanders interests may conflict with theirs.

They’ve probably been spoilt following the zerg on EB and even then it’s only few of us doing the dirty work on there nowadays, Borderlands is a different kettle of fish all we can do is wait and see if they are willing to stick around, listen and learn.
It is different challenge to be on Borderlands that’s for sure there’s alot of pressure trying to hold onto Garrison alone 2v1 which I have no problem with, we kept Garri for almost 24 hours before today this for me is worth more than lootbags with spikes and rubbish many do stay for the good fight though. I’ve heard we’ve had a couple of random commanders appearing and confusing everyone also..
Crossing my fingers for a more balanced matchup later today but our mini blob had a fun night/morning on Jade Sea borderlands at bay and the west side of the map.

These new maps should replace 1/2 borderlands maps instead of duplicate maps, but what they should do for the moment is revamp the maps especially EB which is just one big zerg fest with too many objectives that barely change apart from Stonemist.
I’m sure I’m not alone in enjoying the points game as the large scale pvp is far too flawed especially when it comes to everyone blobbing up which often ends up with lag, I see far more guilds running on Borderlands than EB and I can understand why now.

I used to mainly run on EB but I’ve noticed how its just blob zergs running back and forth quickly over the map more than Borderlands actually in a sense it reminds me of a CoD like fast paced map.
At prime time it’s I mainly see constant zerg fights over Stonemist and lag, even if you 2v1 wth arrow carts as it is you can hardly get near a tower anymore, AC’s inside SM lord room are OP you’ll be mowed down trying to attack either if someone’s manning them.

Aye I was border hopping a bit myself we had to go on the defensive most of the time cause on our BL both Bay (VS) and Hills (JS) had waypoints of all things, it got intense especially later on in the night we had to bunker inside Garrison with siege as the walls were down again but then the new build came at the right time on the LA overflow the banter was interesting. AC’s got a range nerf but they still are OP as heck really.

EB has alot of blobs and lag running everywhere from all sides that I wish we could split up our zergs more often even with our pugs but your Viz pugs seems to wipe quite easily it’s just a small victory imo without enough of a challenge and with our own Desoblob it turns into a lagfest, no doubt you are more organized with your coverage and numbers in what really matters in wvw. The best fight I had all night was defending Redlake on Viz BL with just about 10 of us a mixed group of CS and the rest of us vs 15-20 Viz with the circle up, sadly cause of ‘night force’ mainly on EB as usual we did lose Garrison eventually but despite our faults at times there’s still life in Deso fighting on, competing, and is nice to pugs who are learning fast now we just need a fairer matchup.

stof.9341:

Deso loses mostly because we don’t have the players, at all.

And the funniest is that at the current week score, Viz loses 40 points and Deso wins 30 making it much more likely we’ll be matched against Viz again.

Of course people don’t like losing but like Atoss says how many people do we have left that know what they are doing outside of a zerg even then they sometimes wander off on their own they just want kills and lootbags for their personal gain.
We’ve lacked enough people setting the right example nor enough wvw commanders, communication, organization and guilds to cover most of the borderlands anymore outside of their raids in the evenings.

Also we were just unlucky once again with the random roll range thing apart from that one week we got Kodash/SFR again which doesn’t look as bad anymore does it? We may gain points but next week we could get a much easier match up and the week after who knows with this current system.
I for one don’t see the problem with 2v1 we are more often than not the most disorganized or outmanned server other than EB where we take advantage of it sometimes and that’s not even as organized as it once was really unless we have a good balanced commander.
It’s sad to see thanks to Anet and our luck some have to come across bitter and delirious being matched up with not only Viz but higher pop and more organized wvw servers, all we can do now just have to work on things and be patient esp with some of these pugs who will learn eventually or not.

Dear Deso,
Let’s try to at least do our best when we can instead of complaining on and on about blobs especially since it’s a meta in most other wvw tiers. I had a awesome reset night on EB roaming and then commanding yes i’m a thief commander and not useless in wvw even in zergs, I’d rather not blob but it’s unavoidable with pugs most of the time and they don’t always follow a tag they just want kills, many end up listening in the end though.
We complained about Kodash and SFR when we dropped and then the random matchups which we were all looking forward to hasn’t been in our favour as I expected but Deso never gives up easily. We deserve better from Anet it’s not just messed up for us though but all we can do is try our best for now, work together as a server and set a good example towards those willing to learn till we get a more favorable matchup.

We can’t help but blob on most borderlands anyway but we can only fill one Borderland and EB, thanks Anet but some of us well still try at least!

Thieves useless in wvw apart from scouting, killing Dolyaks and sentries? This thread is going places; it’s insulting to skilled thieves who don’t run zerker and perma stealth to kitten and troll around.

Again Shadow’s Embrace removes only ONE condition if you can access stealth which depends on your build, under shadow refuge it’s more efficient is quite easy to notice with that house icon hanging above it – You just need to FOCUS AOE or damage on that circleand you can also push us out of it unless we dodge between the circle.

That was some amazing fights on EB inside SM late last night, we held waves of Baruch Bay trying to push for the lord room while defending Bravost, Langor and our Keep while still keeping hold of SM for around 30 mins-1 hour or so I lost track of time though. I haven’t commanded in the past few days but that was a great night made possible with everyone’s help!

I think there is too many useless loot bags with barbs, spikes and stuff that we’d be left with our bags full of that to be honest we should be able to pick up what we want before it despawns, you get better chance of rares from the those WXP rank chests even.

We seem to lack commanders at many times of the day but I’ve had another fun night taking command of EB this time, I had some issues with people going off and skirmishing but eventually people started trusting me with the help of alot of people it was a successful night, we had some good fights, defeated the grub, captured most of what we aimed for and I learned many things.
Thanks everyone including my guildies and others I forgot to name still fighting on! I’m still a dopey commander at times though

Erm I just saw 2 people inside a fully fortified Sunnyhill while you had golems at the gate what the heck is going on with all this exploiting/hacking now?

Thank you to everyone who helped on Deso BL, okay it ended up being PvD in the end but we held off so much pressure from different SFR guild groups and many stayed to retake our borderlands.

Never give up trust your instincts,
From your dopey newbie commander

Let me just say I don’t understand all the Tier 1 like QQ towards SFR from some Deso players and comparing them to said server when they are a very dedicated wvw server with many wvw focused guilds, we are guilty of blobbing when we have numbers cause we can’t handle things atm by splitting groups with pugs most of the time and we are guilty of using tons of arrow carts. That is how wvw is atm especially 2v1’s, I’m sure we’d do it if we saw the opportunity but it rarely happens. Stop complaining so much and keep fighting for your wvw community and server even if we may not belong in this Tier atm and bragging about lootbags while in our own big zergs. It should not be the biggest thing we should be proud of for the personal gain by tagging enemies it’s the good fights which I don’t think you can quite get with blobs and working together as a community.
Kodash has some seriously big numbers lately also you sure know how to organize your groups but seriously you are well organized with those numbers of yours.

Elmuerto.9840:

No zerg is exciting.

I do agree mostly especially if it’s starts lagging so we end up mashing auto attack, anyway but flanking and maneuvers is what makes these zerg fights ‘fun’ and such. It’s very useful using shadow step and use dagger storm on the back line, I think S/D may be our most useful weapon to use in a large scale battle, we can stealth res and we’ve got some fairly useful combo fields and venom share.

Wow we just had a close call after yet another golem rush on our EB Keep from 30 or so Kodash right after that new build we lost so many people but we just about saved it, thanks to all that hopped from the Borderlands to help instead of letting them take it so easily!
I am new to commanding I’ve learned from some other commanders from my guild and great ones like Moorta but I’m still a work in process and appreciate all the help from all the veterans left on Deso.

Earlier today we did blob on EB, atm we have quite a few on Deso BL also and we are having some good fights with you CoN but some people keep mentioning blobbing even against a guild group now. I pulled an all nighter and I was on EB early this morning and afternoon there was a surprising amount of people we gathered up we seem so inconsistent in terms of numbers, it can be helped if we had more organized guild groups which we often lack or separate commanders but it can’t be helped sometimes especially with people new to wvw and pugs who want the easy way to get their badges, spikes and WXP, they still sometimes wander off on their own right now the addition of WXP chests has brought more people wanting to join the zerg more than anything but I’m sure it’s a problem for many servers right now.

I think we take these forum wars too seriously we should try to enjoy the matchup and have less QQ it’s only a small proportion of people, it adds some spice to the matchup but it less it feels we are still paranoiac over blob warfare from tier 1 we can’t tell what is a blob and what’s not and can’t admit it that Kodash zerg on EB that reset everything was a blob so what? It is how it is in many tiers.

Rigel.5789:

I was enthusiastic when this week started. We had some good fights, it was tight and intense for a while. That enthusiasm is all gone now. Sort of back to the situation we had in tier 1 with Vizunah. Having two servers that didn’t have the numbers outside primetime isn’t all that interesting. Alright, we may a few hours at night where we manage to get some points with some tiny groups scattered about, but even that seems to slip away now. At least there is no point in pulling those extra hours anymore.

Waking up to tier 3 towers, keeps. Trying to do something about it, but then get countered by a group of 60 SFR. People here can’t be bothered trying anymore, you are no fun. At this rate your odds of facing Vizunah again next week will drastically increase. Weekend wasn’t bad and it was fun while that lasted. I’m not the one to judge or blame players in particular, but I want you to know.

Maybe cause we aren’t that organized atm we may not have the dedicated coverage but it’s since the weekend at prime time we sometimes slag off pugs or vice versa who need to be taught but we don’t always set the right example all the time , maybe this new content isn’t a good thing but it might be good if we can find some dedicated wve’ers from the latest influx. We’re not organized to keep or bring back people on certain maps like when we lost a T3 Deso Garrison 2 days ago that was bad enough, we are mostly stacked on EB where it seems to get the mother of all laggy blobs from all 3 servers.
The siege lock bug after the patch was one of the most frustrating bugs I’ve ever seen preventing us to do anything on SFR BL after that, we tried a golem rush with AFTL earlier who had to hop to help Deso BL later earlier but it didn’t go quite as planned I was scouting elsewhere but Kodash reset Bay and we couldn’t do much after that and the bug.

And btw this reading is more and more like a Tier 1 thread we all thought Tier 2 was nice change couple of days ago and reality hit but it doesn’t mean we need to hold grudges like it’s Vizunah all over again and stop trying.

P.S Apologies for bringing internal server problems in this thread but it has to be said.

Well I see we painted EB green but Seaferers painted Deso BL blue with 10-15 of you and golems fun times..

I’m not that impressed tbh you can switch between P/D or D/D and SB with caltrops and daggerstorm to stay alive without being downed that many times as a condition thief against mobs.

Edit: Oh looks like it was already pointed out :p

If you’re talking about Jerrifers I was the thief on the arrow cart behind, that you forgot to kill, you did snipe Wildcreek while Kodash almost took the gate down at Aldons.

Well Moorta is still the best I’ve seen when getting our pugs organized even to scout, snipe and refresh siege while raging on TS sadly he left for SoR..

One more thing I’m hearing SFR is getting some guilds back I wish we weren’t 1800 gems, we could do a deblob project too!

Aikanaro.2609:

“We are outmanned at the BL’s all day long” and “Wow, Deso and Kodash have such a huge blobs at EB right now, better switch to borderlands”. See? Overall we are almost equal, but your focus at eb is somewhat funny.

I don’t think that’s possible without commanders to rally people on certain borderlands so they just go back to something else or queue for EB but it is something to consider..
Everyone I’ve seen blobs at some point if they don’t have smaller organized groups like guilds cause that’s the meta part of wvw especially with a pug group.

I think most of us would rather fight players for objectives rather than watch a door or wall and fight npc’s but if there is no one to defend what can we do? Kodash also started flipping your Bay and Towers after you went outmanned on your Borderlands, I don’t know what happened it was between 21:20-21:30 BST when we started the commander event. I even tried to rally people at 18:00 while queuing for EB but we were heavily outmanned and couldn’t even get near Greenlake.

We even have some who complain on Map Chat in the middle of the action who just want their world completion, but as for blobbing we don’t have many wvw guilds left on Deso to split up groups that often cause we have many pugs just wanting to tag along. I don’t like Arrow Carts either I think they should damage siege more than people yet some people are so two faced towards AC’s on both sides.
As I said though I think it’s just a weekend thing and I’m looking forward to the upcoming week now especially with the patch.

I think it’s a perfectly valid tactic especially if somebody has a borderland with multiple waypoints, it’s less chance of someone porting their entire zerg across the map from anywhere else plus we have the 30 second contest timer now if you have good scouts you will catch them early if it’s a fake attack or a proper assault.

There was some good action on Borderlands even till past midnight unlike last nights reset although where I went the numbers were uneven at times until late cause so many people was stacked on EB, we were caught by surprised by Kodash’s numbers late at night you almost managed to capture our whole Borderlands but I hope you learned from that moment you were inside our Garrison Lord room to contest the waypoint no matter what.
It is pretty strange to find it pretty dead at night without zergs running around and seeing orange swords, we’ve been night capping this weekend with a couple of people on Borderlands afaik but I don’t think it will continue during the week after one all nighter it’s not that fun without resistance, tbh after being night capped for weeks in T1 I think the amount of points you can gain from just PvD is crazy and I myself wake up so tired in the afternoon!

So now we’re complaining about builds that we’ve had to spend time to experiment with to find what’s the difference with other classes? Should we just nerf every viable thief build just for the sake of you QQ’ers? Ridiculous.

Sorry Vizunah you got caught red handed by me at your keep before your failed golem rush, I should be in bed now though
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dazed.4152:

The only exception to the balance here seems to be d/p thieves, which can stealth at will without having to be in melee range (like with cloak and dagger) or use a utility slot for it (like with blinding powder and shadow refuge). For these thieves there does not seem to be an effective counter. If they want to get away and perma-stealth, they can. Perhaps it’s the d/p thief build, not stealth, that needs the fix?

It’s not even as easy as that, as it costs quite alot of initiative to pull off actually.
Seriously these threads make me want to play my thief more I thought the end of culling would stop the QQ. I don’t want to see everyone running Guardians and Warriors in their zergs I want to see diversity, it may not be perfectly balanced every class can adapt their builds for any task. Maybe it’s just me or I’ve come across many people who know how to play against thieves that I’ve had to and tried to build my thief with my more evasion and vitality, I used to get ganked as a thief with the old Steal/Mug/Backstab combo I simply adapted.

I used to run with P/D but I found D/D with caltrops and sigil of Geomancy easier to maintain bleeds within melee range especially in wuvwuv.

Vroum.2906:

suprNovae.5410:

• sigh * always the same never ending story.
  How about a ZvZ? Zerg vs Zerg with same numbers (maybe a 60 vs 60 ?). So we can find out which pug zerg is the best on open field. There is enough space in the north of bay.

@Aveneo

We are trying to promote DesoSpeak so we can better coordinate and organize the current community as typing in the middle of things is hard..
Anything else has no sense. I want to get rid of this topic.
Anyway…I don’t want to sound arrogant but the matchup is over and Vizunah has no chance to get first. Let’s try this kittening unique project on all borderlands.
Could be an amazing event!
For the truth! :p

Isn’t it what happens every day on EB ?

Nah it should be less than 60v60 which would take into account some amount of individual compositions, skill, group coordination and it wouldn’t lag up the server.

@Aveneo We are trying to promote Desospeak so that we can better coordinate and organize the current community, it’s not always the reason why people wipe or lose towers etc cause some people just wonder off and do their own thing but it makes life easier for commanders knowing people are on TS to be able to communicate with his players and listen in to any reports cause typing in chat in the middle of something is not easy.

P.S Of course commanders can get things wrong, we’ve also had some new commanders on EB who are learning at least I hope so!

I can’t quite believe there hasn’t been much changes to the all important commander or party system, I’ve seen people with tags who have not much clue and just confuse the pugs especially with multiple tags or when we try a guild raid it would be nice to make the tag only visible to our guilds, yet we get these arrow cart buffs, gimmicky traps, wvw ranks etc.

On second thought the traps remind of our own trip wire trap which is pretty useless cause for multiple people it’s easy to avoid walking into it altogether, if anything it would work well as an anti veil train mechanic. 1200 radius and 30s is excessive though.

Are you kidding me and I’m talking about both traps, arrow carts made life hard for smaller groups imagine a group with little supply walking through a 1hr trap do you think what you implement anymore?!

Deniara Devious.3948:

Jue.6493:

What guilds are left on desolation now for WvW? How are the queues?

EXG, INVI (ex-Eternal IRON), GOD, Unit, Claw, WL, just to mention few. IRON Hall (pvx guild) has also been really active at WvWvW recently. I heard that our guild meeting less than 1 week ago had representatives of 26 guilds. Now that Wrex destroyed our old forums, we got new ones running at:
http://www.desospeak.com/forums/

Last night we had 3 hour queue to EB, but that is highly unusual and was due that event. We also had roughly 30 minute queue to Desolation BL, where I was. Usually the queue to borderlands is very short (<5 mins) and no queue to any map during off-peak hours.

PS. Epic fight at Deso Garrison on yesterday on 11th May evening. Both VS and ER were trying to get the Garrison from us. Turning our walls into Swiss cheese and getting inside lord room. We held off all their attacks for many hours in a row. Great work especially from EXG! That portal to the roof was so well-timed. I was just on-off PuG commander.

Not forgetting AFTL who were also on Deso BL.

Under Web.2497:

desolation/kodash/piken ?? would that be good (from deso’s perspective?)
or is it now a zerg fest whatever the tier/server? just curious been away for a while.

Seafarers afaik isn’t having an easier time in Tier 2 we would be up against new servers and that might bring back the enthusiasm to play like this week with Elona joining T1.
Right now as it’s been said we don’t have long queues outside of EB at prime time, we seem to have a new wave of ‘pugs’ who are not all receptive to cooperate in wvw and complain, we have only a few actual wvw guilds left anymore and we still have the coverage issues.

I’ve been quite impressed by your organization Elona not just your zergs but also wvw matters. we did learn alot from you guys [GD] even if we outnumbered you late into the night you still wiped us a couple of times and set an example for all of us to learn from.
We were on Deso BL before hopping onto EB and managed to hold Garrison against both of you for part of the night which was a impressive feat. Besides the lag now and again it was a fun night overall.

P.S Some of us ARE playing for points when we can some of us still has some pride to at least give it go, a new server entering the matchup has got some people interested in wvw again and cause some people are new they need to learn the ropes about wvw. Currently we only have queues on one BL and EB at prime afaik and lack the coverage, we will drop naturally eventually whether it’s after the Glicko change or not.

Everybody can be useful in wvw no matter the build, class or level, wvw shouldn’t have any elitism towards any group. Obviously you need to be a tanky build fighting within a zerg but the zerg is not even the meta you can be effective splitting into smaller groups to get objectives done quicker without having to drag the main zerg everywhere, good organization and teamwork is not just following a tag.

Dayra.7405:

Hi Deso’s, what’s your expectation/wishes for next week?
For example:
[ ] Leave T1 as fast as posssible?
[ ] Play a normal match?
[ ] Revenge on Viz?
[ ] Show the newcomer that you are still stronger?
[ ] ….

Thanks for info (and if it has no other sense, every answer helps to fill the 100 pages)

I think all we can do is play as normally as possible cause I doubt we’ll drop with the current Glicko system but right now the community is rebuilding and reorganizing, we have many new players and few guilds to actually ‘compete’ that I think we over compensate by blobbing on EB the only place we have long queues, at least for the moment. Now we have a new opponent who will try to compete it’s gonna be a nice change.

Niim.9260:

In my opinion the overall issue with thieves, and why we continue to see these kinds of threads, is that they are extremely good at killing bad players as the skill cap for fighting a thief is higher then that of playing the basic thief.

Nothing about WvW encourages people to play better. No incentive to learn their class or to learn other classes. The vast majority of the players in WvW spend most of their night following a taco, stacking when told, blasting and dropping combo fields when told, running gear and abilities they were told to run.

Their play is dismal and it creates an environment where even bad thieves can be successful.

Hear hear!

olleN.2356:

Aikanaro.2609:

WL on Deso now? “They stopped playing for now”, lol.

Excellent news for Deso!

I don’t quite know why or when it happened but it seemed to come out of the blue and I don’t think anybody knows their intentions. We will still likely drop especially with the new changes to the Glicko system due to a lack of coverage and the fact we’re left with a fragmented wvw community with not many wvw guilds left, atm one borderland has a short queue. Tier 1 isn’t the hottest place to be right now.

Interestingly I just logged out of EB for a bit and came back almost 30 mins later to find everything was reset, it’s a shame it’s turned into wv1.5 now at least we’ll have a new opponent for the next week I guess and we’re doing some friendly dueling outside our spawn!

Edit: I think I noticed you splitting groups and coming out to fight which is nice to see, apologies for the blob we can’t really control the number who follows us which you had to counter which lead to lag (thanks anet)

Rigel.5789:

It’s a bit of a shame that certain top tier servers are cheap to transfer to and some low tier servers are expensive to transfer to. I mean with guesting you won’t really transfer for PvE so they should think about WvW population a bit with this.

This is one issue I find that Anet has also ignored, the Deso community is in such a state I don’t recognise us anymore we need to rebuild but we still can’t drop after weeks, the lag and the recent wvw changes doesn’t help either I build arrow carts to counter the blob but it just despawns because of the timer.
It’s petty and wrong to blame Viz for Anet’s mistakes.

The blobbing and subsequent lag on EB has become contagious at prime time, I’d like to see people split up groups to get some objectives done if you have an organized group but still you’ll often get overrun by the laggy blob. That’s the state of wvw atm from what I’ve read even in the lower tiers other than building a ton of OP arrow carts everywhere even on the open field.

Kensei.1495:

Are you planning to play a d/d condion build in wvw?
If the answer is yes, then…you wont be happy.

Deathblossom spam and caltrops are perfect in s/tpvp , by my point of view a d/d thief could have a chance in 1v1. Other than that you’ll always die and you will be useless for the zerg.

A p/d instead could work greatly

I run with a d/d and sometimes p/d condition thief with a Shortbow and I rarely die unless I make a mistake , I have 18khp and 2.4k armor and make use of plenty of dodges withdraw, Shadowstep and some traits whilst applying 100+ tick bleeds with uncatchable and a Sigil of Geomancy. For me it feels like the better dual condition set especially since i can stack bleeds within melee range but you can always run both if you want as they both stack bleeds apart from the fact Shortbow is too useful not to have in hand in wvw.

Have you been around much Petrica? There’s no way we can do that anymore, we try to blob when we can but Viz just has the better coverage I don’t blame them though Anet has made wvw so casual and imbalanced. Anyway there is no way would anyone agree to that kind of alliance it didn’t work the first time and it wouldn’t the second, the alliance split opinion just like the idea of trying to drop on purpose that we just attacked each other anyway because we have competitive people who remember it’s wv3.