Guild Wars 2

Bratwa.6582:

Agrios.9071:

yesterday we more or less Steamrolled you and attacked wsr at the same time,
anyway RoS is allways weak at the weekend and the start of the week, we get stronger
during the week. […]
We surely dont fight you with all our strengh, a few guilds take breaks and lots of us really needed a break after the week against Millers and Gunners.

On a different note, TEO and friends hold our reinforcments in check at north hills while RoS (mainly Riot) took it and nobody of us are mentioning it (except me now and it is not meant as a accusation of a alliance or something like that), because nobody really cares yet you guys from WSR seem to be mad at TaG for messing with you and our “[…]not very smart […]” decision there. I am just mentioning it to show a differendt point of view

Not really mad about it, I was more trying to point out that the problem isnt that we havent been attack RoS as much as you, its that we’ve not been as successful at attacking them and PART of the reason for that is you guys get in our way, whereas RoS does not get in the way of us attacking you.

Grayback.7148:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Mcrocha.3891:

Thats pretty much our best build at the moment. Its just an apothecary bunker. As Axyl said he was prob using torch in offhand for Bonfire which is the #5 skill.

You can check out the build here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Update-6-4-Faux-s-RRR-Build-Conditions/first#post1784691

Are you sure this is right? OP said he was using a sword/dagger & GS combo. I thought that was a power/bunker build, not condi. Though he did say he was using conditions. Really confused here.

yes, that’s what confused me a bit too…I think S/D + GS (+ maybe traps) + cond. damage isn’t that common. But well, there are for sure many variations out there which aren’t common. On the other hand, I’m playing S/D + GS, mostly cerlic gear + mix’n match and on some occasions I’m mixing in fire trap too…

I play GS with traps at the moment, its actualyl really fun. The build was meant for running with my guild for zerg battles, so GS + traps + bunkerish build lets you get right in there with plenty of AoE, but I’ve found by simply have a SB as my alt weapon its great for 1v1s as well as you just play as a trapper ranger with slightly less condition damage but considerably more direct damage. Its a lot of fun.

Yeah its relatively easy with a ranger, plargely because of entangle. Unlike players, NPC are far too stupid to kill the vines so you can immobilize 5 of them for 20 seconds no trouble (and the bleed will do serious damage depending if you’re a condition build or not).

Axyl.9408:

Sorry for the confusion! I’m planning on doing WvW mainly.

I appreciate the reassurance Cufufalating. Could you clarify why it’s better for us than other classes?
Thanks! I’m going to go with the Reyna’s set first, and slowly build my way up from there. I’m going to have to settle for sub-superior corruption runes for the time being, until I can find an exotic torch.

The Video you posted, Cempa, was incredibly helpful. Wow! Thank you.

Rangers have many ways to apply Regeneration to ourselves (pets, traits, healing spring, druid spirit, etc) as well as being able to lengthen regen by 33% through traits. We also have a signet which regenerated health and a beastery GM trait which heals us over time.

Most classes dont have access to so much passive regeneration and rely mainly on their heal skill for healing, which doesnt scale all that well with healing power (although it does scale up a bit).

Some classes can make themselves regen builds but to do so requires serious sacrifice on the DPS front, whereas rangers can achieve it with little to no DPS drop thanks to our pet.

^What they said. We’ve been trying to push RoF and RoS equally but RoS are either more willing or more able to defend themselves meaning we dont take too much from them, whereas RoF dont defend as strongly and so lose a lot more making it look like we are targetting them.

Like Skwas said above, if TAG had continued to attack the RoS hills last night instead of coming over to bay where we were, and the keep hadnt upgraded and repaired the inner gate from 40% back up to 100% just as we got to it.. we probably would have taken it.

Healing power does not suck for rangers, ignore people who say otherwise.

Interesting, although as you said it depends really on your target. A lot of people seem to forget or dont get enough condition removal when building.. whereas some others its near impossible to keep high condition time on (in my experience D/D eles are the worst. Between all their cleansing and high mobility its hard to stick to them which, as Brendin said, is really needed for the bunker build.)

I do feel slightly guilty about the RoF borderlands last night. It really just came about because we only had 10 people and your hills was not fortified whereas the RoS bay was.. and then noone ever came to stop us so we just ended up taking everything :P

Sad to see this thread has once again devolved into the endless arguement of who is blobbing. Pointless arguement because deep down we all know every server does it and every guild takes part in it once in a while, even if its not what they aim to do.

Even just as a random example, the video posted on the previous page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxjA0oLQArA) of RiOT vs WSR blob. I make no excuses for that WBC + Pug blob that was going there, but its also fair to say its wasnt just RiOT vs blob because infact you see at about 1:20 of the video when the guy recording turns around VcY and your own pugs were there as well and the RoS group numbered easily 40-50 in total. It was a blob vs blob mashup which is absolutely fine. I wouldnt hold anything against RiOT, VcY or WBC for taking part in what looked like a great battle, and without some blobbing such epic fights would never even happen.

Edit: Oh also a call out to the RoS who tried golem rushing our Overlook at 4am in the morning.. was close there for a minute but not quite

Thanks for a fun evening last night!

Well I for one am enjoying this matchup. Its been a long time sicne we’ve had a matchup where we havent been facerolled by a server with 5x our numbers on every map.

Especially enjoyed fighting TaG and VcY.. we usually lose to VcY but at least they will fight and we can all have some fun, unlike a few other guilds (who will go unnamed) who seem to run the second they arent outnumbering us 2 to 1.

In my experience they both tick at the same time and are not out of sync, but I dont know for sure and I cant say I have ever specifically watched, thats just been my observation when I do look.

Personally I always prefer EB because I am a SoH junkie and cant play without the +25% speed, and then if I have to have SoR constantly on all my builds that leaves me only 1 utility to play with

This sort of thing would only be cool if rangers had a viable mechanic to opt out of pets altogether.

If we had to go grind and level and feed our pets just to make our class mechanic work that would just be……

Guardians are the best zerging class, if you’re dying all the time on yours then its more likely your playstyle, your build or your team thats letting you down – not your class.

But still you could try necro or memser.

Its a shame Dag#4 isnt more like the theif’s S/D#3.

They are the same animation and essentially the same attack, only the thieves verson will move you much further forward to strike your target if needs be, we’re talking like 300-400 range forward

Your current weapon effect it. The damage your conditions do is always based off what your condition damage is at each tick, and is not based off what your condition damage was when you applied it.

Its most obviously seen when stacking might after applying conditions.

Often the intention of these builds is to weapon swap as often as you can to rotate through all your abilities, as well as trigger “on-equip” sigils. SB I find encourages people to be lazy and just stay on that and let the autoattack bleeds stack up, but you will never get as many stacks doing it that way.

Theres just a disconnect as if you’re fighting at 1000-1200 range with the SB you will not need (or indeed want to) swap out to your melee set, meaning a lot of the time you’re missing out on your poisons, burning, and getting fewer bleed stacks on than you could be.

I think thieves suffer from the same problem rangers do… and that is there are so so many people who play them badly that they have built up a terrible reputation.

There are huge numbers of inexperience D/D thieves who to other inexperienced players seem OP and to more experience players make all theives look bad, but its a mistake to judge the class on these people, just as its a mistake to judge rangers by the fact that the majority of people play the class so badly it makes me cry at night.

A new ultimate which fused us with our pet for a short time, gaining stats based on which pet it was and gaining its F2 ability as a follow-on ability to the ultimate would be fun

I think thats the best you could hope for though. They’d never make it a perminant option to always have your pet fused because its the entire mechanic of our class.

I’ve never understood the desire for rangers to have rifles. I dont see the fit.. at all.. for the reasons mentions above.

Also it had never occured to me for rangers to have a staff, but now its been brought up I too want a melee staff. Could be kitten awesome.

I’ve come to rely on wolf being my secondary pet with any build I use. Its fear and knockdown is just so good in so many situations that I cant help but take it.

So I recommend a wolf, or possibly drakehound if you prefer.

I dont mind seige as it is atm. AC are a bit OP and personally I’d like to see them weakened, but its not too bad as it is.

I would LOVE to have updated maps though. I know its a big task but nothing freshens up a game like new or greatly improved maps, especially if they map has a lot of interesting and useful gameplay elements like you describe.

Very entertaining video :P

I am a little sceptical about the usefulness of the build since all your targets were people who seemed to be incapable of seeing you walk up to them and if they did were incapable of dodging what is possibly the most obvious attack in the game.

But none the less.. very nice

It’s probably as a result in being stuck in T9 for so long. BT did used to have quite a large WvW community when we faced you before (I’m on WSR) but you’ve been in T9 for weeks, maybe even months since then. I am sure many many people changed server or gave up the will to play WvW whilst there because its not fun at all.

Manekk.6981:

jcbroe.4329:

Manekk.6981:

jcbroe.4329:

I’ll just be rolling a trap ranger build, that has a higher DPS than the current BM build with still good sustained healing.

Alongside that, I will running a cheese build thief that has high DPS and survival without going glass cannon, just cuz I want a break from a class that gets so little attention, and receives only detrimental updates to this point (Damage nerf from beta, Shortbow attack speed nerf, Empathic Bond Nerf, and now Pet Damage nerf).

Don’t forget the Jaguar (wich really is the only pet with very high dps) has already been nerfed atleast once or was it twice? I can’t remember they took a big burstdamage hit on bite anyway.

That too.

I’m really to the point where I feel like, from a balance standpoint where balance is centered primarily around tpvp, that with teams only being 5 man teams, there should have only been 5 different classes.

It’s a pigeonhole principle, and if there are 5 slots and 8 professions, that means that at any given time, up to three classes are going to be left out of team comps. It would have been easier just to design 5 classes, each with an obvious primary function and the ability to perform decently at secondary functions, and call a 5 man team made of each of those professions built around their primary function a balanced team. Then, based on taking more than one of a profession or the changing of a build, the team could be made offense or defense heavy.

Right now, looking at all of the professions and traits, the game is just a poor mix of a bunch of different ideas with very singular core concepts that have been stretched too thinly between too many different professions, and to make everything seem different, they added 1 almost unique quality to every class; the class mechanic. Which in reality, every class mechanic is just a mixture of other classes mechanics.

So now it’s this big clusterkitten, and the cleanup of which is not being handled well at all.

Good idea, now to convince anet to delete thieves and mesmers hmmm you pick the last one

Thieves, memsers and engineers. Rangers will be unstoppable then

Its too early to say, but at the moment I quite like the new matchups.

I mean sure, we are getting slaughtered by a higher tier server.. but as a T8 server ourselves that is completely normal. Ever since RoS got transfers and moved up we’ve had T7 servers in T8 every week who have beaten us easily.. so thats nothing new for us. The only difference now is that we arent living with the constant fear and pressure of falling to T9 where WvW doesnt even exist.

At least now we can go out and have some fun and to a certain extent not worry if we lose, because we wont get trapped in T9 even if we do lose.

If you’re still using dwayna runes then 30s regen time certainly is possbile, although a little unlikely. Probably you got some from someone else as well but who knows^^

I’m sure RoF now realise why WSR and AS fought so bitterly not to be last in T8, because the old T9 wasnt a good place to be :O

It does seem a little sad that all the rangers elites are so “hit and miss”.

I mean I love entangle and it can work great, but we all know there are times when you use it and your opponent walks straight out instantly, or just flat out dodges it to start with.

RaO gets boon stripped and whatever that spirit one is called is very easily killed and as such hardly ever used.

What dwayna is giving you is 10s regen every time you heal, with goes up to 16s with all the regen duration buffs you have. Given that TU is on a 25s cd, and you can gain regen from traits and sometimes from your runes as well, your regen uptime should be nearly 100% with dwayna.

If you have Dwayna and use Healing Spring, then your heal isnt going to be nearly as effective. HS has the lowest healing but makes up for it through the regen it gives you, but if you already have 100% regen uptime thats just wasted.

Given you do want to use HS that is really just overkill on regen so there is going to be some “wasted” regen time most likely, but you still get the use of the combo field for blasts and leaps and team support.

I guess what I am saying is using healing spring might make it possible to use undead rather than dwayna, because you could get regen from another source, but doesnt mean you have to, and it will decrease your survivability.

Even ignoring your heal choice, undead vs dwayna is really a personal choice on the direction of your build. Do you want it to be full bunker with insane survivabitly and pretty good DPS, or insane DPS with still pretty good survivabilty, just not as good.

Maybe you should make it interesting and RoF should agree to use no seige the entire week :P

Ignore them. Hes just messing with you but is doing no actual harm there.

As you said in OP the only thing he can do is res a dead memser.. so why dont you instead of trying to chase a perma stealth thieve around SM, just go guard the dead memsers corpse and put a stealth trap on it?

Your build really isnt that different to Faux’s so first off I would go read their thread for ideas.

With regards to Dwayna vs Undead, I have tried using both with this style of build and while I miss the insane condition damage undead gives you, I found my regen uptime was seriously decreased by not having dwayna, and if you dont have a big regen uptime I cant help but wonder what is the point of having such a large amount of healing power? Its basicly going to waste if you arent actually healing.

So for me I really do suggest staying with dwayna and getting sigils of corruption to boost your condition damage. Its not quite as consistant, obviously, since you lose it when downed, but as a bunker you should not be going down that often so.

Lol BT getting destroyed there Go Vabbi go!

My post got removed too. Oh well, everyone saw it already anyway.

Thats a lot of golems :O We didnt have nearly that many down on our server, but we did try to golem rush SM for the fun of it and the defenders in their wisdom decided to build golems to defend the lords room. Was somewhat amusing but hey, why not!

16k from a thief on me when I used my GC build. They 1hit killed me from full health.

Worst part was I knew that they were there, I had just seen them kill my team mate and was reviving them fully expecting the theif to attack me. I was ready for it, but wasnt expecting to be flat out 1 hit >_>

Sorry to hear WSR players are doing this, thanks though for realising its a select few and they dont represent the feelings of the majority of our community.

You can down people in 15 seconds, hell you can down people in 3-4 with some luck, but rangers are not really a burst class and trying to play them that way can be semi-effective but its not really what they are best at. Generally rangers are good at doing constant sustained damage, be it with conditions or direct damage.

GS is the best weapon for damage spiking and quick kills, using Moment of Clarity grandmaster trait + Hilt Bash + Maul attack.

LB has a few issues with it. Personally I dont think its as bad as many people will come here and tell you, but it does have issues.

SB / GS is a very common setup for rangers and there are many builds around that, most are based around the Skirmishing and Wilderness Survival traitlines with knights or cavelier armour, but you could also look into doing a signet build.

This sort of build is good for some 1v1 ones but will struggle against some classes / builds. In small groups it will work great and in zergs you’ll do fine but you wont be tagging everyone so dont expect 30 loot bags every battle.

PI, SoS and Protect me do NOT equal invulnerability.

Running a condition build, there is nothing more funny than seeing a warrior use Endure Pain and then watch them still get kittened because it does nothing to block the conditions on them.

Bump

15 thingy-ma-doobs

Looking forward to fighting new matchups but I agree, this week looks like its going to be good

My favourite example is how ranger deal with conditions. SoR is good for general use but against a condition build 1 per 10 seconds isnt going to help you. Our only other option is to transfer 3 condtions to our pet every 10 seconds which again, effectively ruins our pets usefulness. You’re forced to swap pets as often as you can just so they arent perma crippled along other things.

It is annoying how most of our boon-making goes to our pet, not us, and instead of shrugging off damage or conditions like other classes we just transfer then to our other half.

That build has litterally 0 condition removal or reduction, so I guess that would be its biggest weakness. I think being a trapper would work best as trappers have a lot of soft CC to remove their mobility, and traps will kill off the pet and ranger at the same time.

Your description doesnt really give away what that build is. What weapons do they have, for they use DD or CD, what are their traits, are they a trapper or ranged based or melee based?

Its impossible to say at this point because we know almost nothing about this build.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=superior+rune+of+water

Edit: doesnt work Anyway its 690 and heals at a range of 600 and it says this on the wiki page

If you have highcrit chance, which I am guessing you do, Sigil of Fire is a lot of fun with SB. Get an AoE 1100 damage every 6 seconds or so (it has a 5 sec internal cooldown, so with 50+ crit chance you should be doing it every 6 seconds or so).

Yup… and I just crashed in EB outside meldons as well >_>

Looks pretty cool, glad you’re enjoying your ranger My only comment on the build is that skirmishing II is a truely aweful trait. The bleed it gives lasts only 1 tick, and since you arent even a condition build it adds very little to your build. Try looking at I or IV as they will probably be much more useful.

People have mixed oppinions and each has its strengths and weaknesses, so really it comes down to which you prefer and which you can make work best.

Against a tanky build like a guardian then apothecary is going to win all day long, but against an oppenent who has gone heavily into condition remove you may find yourslf not doing a lot.

I prefer apothecary, and I like using muddy terrain with it because its fantastic for keeping your oppentent either away from you or stuck to you, depending which you want.

Lol^^ I liked the memser kill where you just ran round the rock and came back to find their corpse :P