Guild Wars 2

Dand.8231:

Daecollo.9578:

Dand.8231:

Eh, spike armor sucks, but it’s okay because Defy Pain is good.

Oh, to make spike armor viable? A 100% uptime passive, with a somewhat weaker retal effect.

Other classes had their grandmaster traits improved, its terrible compared to the other ones.

Daecollo, dont get me wrong, spiked armor is fairly underwhelming, and I’d love to see it replaced.

That being said, your ideas are kitten crazy. The concepts not bad, but your numbers are always INSANE! I’m glad you’re not a balance dev, or there’d be only 1 class in this game.

Whats so insane about it? You have to get references or I just won’t believe you. I am comparing its power to a MINOR trait, which has more power to a GRANDMASTER trait.

I gave it the power a GRANDMASTER trait should have, COMPARED to a minor trait.

No team ran with not even 1 warrior.. LOL…

Grandmaster traits are suppost to be powerful, other classes have grandmaster traits that can completely change the class and your saying thakittens OP.

The trait is called SPIKED ARMOR…

Armor = Protection.
Spikes = Retaliation.

I don’t see how it seems OP, it can only proc off melee hits, and to be honest we need to be able to survive in melee anyways.

Rangers get protection every time they dodge… along with evasion recharge and vigor as well as easy regeneration.

Anything with class and flavor gets immediately shut down… can’t believe anyone these days.

There would be no point in using Spiked Armor over Defy Pain then.

Dand.8231:

Eh, spike armor sucks, but it’s okay because Defy Pain is good.

Oh, to make spike armor viable? A 100% uptime passive, with a somewhat weaker retal effect.

Other classes had their grandmaster traits improved, its terrible compared to the other ones.

galandor.1059:

Yeah, but people are used to it by now, Warrior would get it and the masses would QQ. I refer you to the ongoing 9 page thread of the Mace-Shield/GS OP thread.

That is probably going to get nerfed, just like Tactical strike did. I am offering ideas for when that happens because I know how the QQ train works.

galandor.1059:

Would be an interesting dynamic, but then you would have people like me rolling around in builds like 0 10 30 0 0 30, running around with zerker builds with 50% protection uptime and still blapping kids.

Hey, any class can do that. Rangers can go around in 50% full protection and regeneration and still blap kids.

Why is Spiked Armor weaker then other classes minor ‘5’ traits?

Example here…

Guardian
Tier Adept Type Minor
Vigorous Precision
Gain 5 seconds of vigor when you deliver a critical hit. This effect can only trigger once every 5 seconds.

Warrior
Tier Grandmaster Type Major
Spiked Armor
Gain 5 seconds of retaliation when struck by a critical hit. Cannot trigger more than once every 15 seconds.

Isn’t there something wrong with this picture? Spiked Armor is so weak comparingly to this trait it doesn’t even make sense, both are toughness traits, either something should be done to fix and improve spiked armor, or traits like Vigorous Precision should be moved into their respective major grand-master trait alongside altruistic healing.

Here is my idea.

Spiked Armor
Gain 5 seconds of protection and retaliation when you deliver a critical melee hit. This effect can only trigger once every 10 seconds.

Kukchi.6173:

HatSimulator.9362:

Now that (almost) every warrior is using this build, and the fact that warriors are the most played class, I and many other people on the forums in different professions have had to make builds just to find how to counter all these stuns.
I’m not saying stunlock, unlimited healing warriors are OP but when every single class has to change traits and runes just to counter one class, it becomes OP.
(not replying to anything replying to this post, warriors are impossible to argue with)

im pretty sure there are more thieves and mesmers than warriors. How do u think us warriors feel dealing with conditions? Especially from necros….. stop whinning and learn to change your utilities….

Actually it shows that there are more guardians playing currently then warriors, and the only reason its the only played build is because skull crack is all we have.

If we had sustain, more weapon choices and our other weapons mattered then we wouldn’t be playing the same build.

This must be your warrior.

Daecollo.9578:

Skull Crack isn’t good enough….
Throw your mace at your foe piercing foes, Stunning your foe with a skull crack. Effect increases with adrenaline level. When the mace hits your foe, it has a chance to stun all enemies near your foe and force them to make a post confirming how overpowered it is on the forums.
Damage: 999
Level 1 stun: 3 s
Level 2 stun: 6 s
Level 3 stun: 9 s
Blind Immunity: 3 s
Enemy: Immunity to Stunbreak: 5 s
Range: 1500

Fixed.

Blademaster
Bleeds you apply do additional power damage when applied while wielding a sword in your main hand.
-20% Sword CD.

It will probably get nerfed the 6th and we will remain the worst pvp class in game.

Skull Crack isn’t good enough….
Throw your mace at your foe piercing foes, Stunning your foe with a skull crack. Effect increases with adrenaline level. When the mace hits your foe, it has a chance to stun all enemies near your foe and force them to make a post confirming how overpowered it is on the forums.
Damage: 999
Level 1 stun: 3 s
Level 2 stun: 6 s
Level 3 stun: 9 s
Blind Immunity: 3 s
Enemy: Immunity to Stunbreak: 5 s
Range: 1500

Sil.4560:

rofl, I also hold a rifle in my teeth with an axe strapped to my chest though.

Yes, double skull crack eviserate kill shots.

This is an amazing picture someone made of the current OP warrior.

Niko.8901:

Just trying to let scrubs know what’s up. Warrior for LIFE! High Five!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Niko-8901/showposts

Go back to the necromancer forums, you don’t have a warrior and you have no idea what your talking about. Quit crying because your ridiculous condition spam was nerfed (and will possibly be balanced and come back) the 6th.

Well at least you bumped my thread.

Niko.8901:

All you have to do to learn to play is learn to roll a warrior use healing signet and then greatsword and shield and mace. Wow everyone knows this. People are newbs. Get on my level.

Learn to power level warrior with cooking newbs.

greatsword 5’s into the sunset

Posted by: Niko.8901
Healing signet then greatsword shield and mace.

Posted by: Niko.8901
Kill a warrior by rolling a warrior and then using greatsword and then shield and mace and healing signet. If the other warrior downs you first just vengeance and kill him.

Posted by: Niko.8901
Healing Signet greatsword shield and mace do it and it will solve all your problems.

Posted by: Niko.8901
Healing signet then greatsword and shield and mace. all skill. do it.

Posted by: Niko.8901
Mace+Shield/ Greatsword. Healing Signet. You will be a god.

Please go back to playing your guardian.

Niko.8901:

Healing Signet greatsword shield and mace do it and it will solve all your problems.

Posted by: Niko.8901
Healing signet then greatsword shield and mace.

Posted by: Niko.8901
Kill a warrior by rolling a warrior and then using greatsword and then shield and mace and healing signet. If the other warrior downs you first just vengeance and kill him.

Posted by: Niko.8901
Healing Signet greatsword shield and mace do it and it will solve all your problems.
Today, 18:29

Posted by: Niko.8901
Healing signet then greatsword and shield and mace. all skill. do it.

Posted by: Niko.8901
Mace+Shield/ Greatsword. Healing Signet. You will be a god.

Are you a puppet? Learn to play, if your dieing to this you should of seen the old bulls rush quickness 100b.

Setun.4368:

petespri.6548:

Setun.4368:

Scoobaniec.9561:

protection doesnt not fit warrior, and personally i would like to see greater access to weakness on every weapons set, burst skills alone should cause it

This 1000x over.

If a warrior with a shield and sword isn’t the epitome of a protector, tank, etc, then I don’t know what is, heh.

Scoob is referring to us getting more weakness application across weapon skills over getting the protection boon, not a character ideology lol

That would be interesting, but It would have to be something like “33% chance to apply weakness on critical for 2-3 seconds.”

25 Signet 500b new meta!

Olba.5376:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Sir:
-Evi does that damage in one shot which takes 0.75sec
-Axe chain also does highter damage
- Its not even useful to filling up adrenaline, trait for either sharpening axes or furious, or take both and watch adrenaline jumping like crazy.
-Axe offhand offers nothing, its a trash. If they remove it from warrior i won’t ever notice any difference, that offhand wep doesnt exits to me and to many others out here.

1. and it also only hits 1 enemy.
2. So you want to improve an off-hand skill to be superior to the whole of a mainhand autoattack chain?
3. I am already running Furious with 82% crit rate. And when I ran axe, I ran it with Furious and Sharpened Axes. I find axe offhand very useful at filling up my adrenaline.
4. For me, Axe offhand is my favorite offhand to use with my Sword.

And let’s be honest here for a moment. The only reason axe offhand supposedly “sucks” is because it’s not the best choice at anything. For damage, Mace is better. For mobility, Warhorn is better. For condition damage, Sword is better. For utility, Shield is better. With that in mind, is the solution really in increasing the damage?

Yep.

Don’t nerf my build please.

Sil.4560:

Daecollo.9578:

That is a common misconception because of big numbers, we actually do damage on-par with other classes.

Yeah, sorry, I’ve put 2.5k hours into my warrior, I don’t think there’s any “misconceptions” left.

COF path 1 world record was done with 1 warrior in group :P

Can you please add these sets so we can purchase them in PvE?

Danikat.8537:

Yes, but if I’ve understood correctly each champion will have a unique drop that only comes from them. They’ll all have one, but they won’t all have the same.

Like the green weapons in GW1: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Unique_item

Does this include champions in instances?

I didn’t pay attention to the story, I just wanted less WPs.

Will the new stuff drop from any champion anywhere in the game?

nearlight.3064:

Daecollo.9578:

Whats wrong with tactically retreating or moving into a fight? Mobility is a big part of the game.

Nothings wrong with having mobility, We just no longer have the ability to essentially spam RtL, because a skill with such escape potential on such a low cooldown really was just overpowered. I mean do thief/Mesmer shadowsteps/teleports and invisabilities have cooldowns that low? No they don’t usually, its 25 to 30 seconds for an ability that dosen’t move them as far away as RtL can. I’d say we’re balanced and should accept this and be glad that the CD is 20 seconds when you use it as a DPS-gap closer move.

Not really overpowered, imo.

It was overpowered, but the game changed a lot since then.

Whats wrong with tactically retreating or moving into a fight? Mobility is a big part of the game.

It needs the 15 second CD back, and the double CD penalty only in spvp.

Iavra.8510:

I’m actually sure that warriors are viable for PvP. The thing is: They don’t bring anything unique that justifies taking them over other classes. If necros aren’t going to get nerfed i can think of CC spam warriors being brought to counter them.

If they could survive and bunker they could atleast move around the map and hold a point.

I feel that the elementalist should have a lot of what was taken away come back, like the old ride the lightning CD/no penalty.

They deserve to have some mobility and nerfs unturned as the community grows better.

Iavra.8510:

You CAN survive a melee encounter. Has it ever occured to you that you may just be a bad player?

You must not play SPVP.

Iavra.8510:

Can we please borrow Daecollo for the mesmer forums? Judged by the amount of buffs warriors received, maybe the devs will then finally hear us :>

/edit:

Protection for warriors would be balanced because they have to be in melee.

Please, stop…Guardians have to be in melee, even scepter is better in melee range. You want Warriors to be guardians with double hp and more damage. Please go play a guardian, then.

Not what I asked, Guardians have much better group support/healing traits and better overall traits.

I am just asking to be able to survive a melee encounter.

Don’t take suggestions and make them overblown, I actually take time to list things when I make them.

Its quite sad when a Guardian’s ‘5’ trait is better then a Warrior’s Grandmaster Trait.

Olba.5376:

So wait…

First this guy wants Protection because Guardians get it, now he wants… 1000 hp/s healing because Eles got that?

Please read the entire thread before opening your mouth.

Protection for warriors would be balanced because they have to be in melee.

That is a common misconception because of big numbers, we actually do damage on-par with other classes.

Please raise its damage in PvE.

Puandro.3245:

Daecollo.9578:

Puandro.3245:

Daecollo.9578:

The big difference, is ele can actually do damage. lol.

No if you try to attain the heal power of 1,400+ your damage will be as bad as warriors. Its really simple math if you look up the skill modifiers. My heal power in my build btw is almost 700.

Elementalists can do amazing ranged condition damage and still have all that

They can do 1 but not the others. Condition is stuck in the fire/earth lines so you either pick do damage and have no boons and no healing or have boons and healing and no damage, this is why cleric amulet is popular for bunker eles and not the shaman one.

Anyways its really really late here so going to bed.

10 in fire gives you enough condition damage.

10/0/0/30/30.

Puandro.3245:

Daecollo.9578:

The big difference, is ele can actually do damage. lol.

No if you try to attain the heal power of 1,400+ your damage will be as bad as warriors. Its really simple math if you look up the skill modifiers. My heal power in my build btw is almost 700.

Elementalists can do amazing ranged condition damage and still have all that

The big difference, is ele can actually do damage. lol.

When you guys compare heals, do it with no healing power. :/ This is getting confusing.

Um.. each of those creates a water field which gives regen which you can also get regen from switching to water attunement and using a cantrip.

PERMA-REGEN.

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

It should be toughness.

Toughness already colaborates to armor, its physical, if we put condi damage too there, then bunkers will be bunkering conditions too.

Bunkers mostly use protection/evades/mobility/evasion/stealth/healing, not actual toughness. (Armor won’t count, only toughness.)

Shamans amulet and clerics amulet have a lot of toughness, soldier too. But yeah bunker depends on protection anyway, and protection cant be the boon for reducing condi damage thats for sure.

Most Guardians / Eles don’t even have that much toughness, they mostly stack HEALING POWER/boon duration, because protection is so much more powerful, so is evasion.

Toughness is actually underused because of diminishing returns as well.

If high amounts of toughness reduced boon duration, it wouldn’t help bunkers that much because bunker builds only stack armor up to 2500-2750 due to diminishing returns.

After 2500ish armor its usually better to go for healing power or boon duration or vitality.

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

It should be toughness.

Toughness already colaborates to armor, its physical, if we put condi damage too there, then bunkers will be bunkering conditions too.

Bunkers mostly use protection+boon duration/evades/mobility/evasion/stealth/healing, not actual toughness. (Armor won’t count, only toughness.)

Nobody uses Cleric Warrior in PvE because it does absolutely nothing damage wise, your literally bleeding all over your target for damage, but as the guy said above can switch for that and do other things.

I would rather see new traits then a swap system, swap system would lead to spam and pretty much devalue a lot of builds due to the fact you can just switch to what situation you want.

The ability to pick your 5/15/25 traits would be nice.

It should be toughness.

Puandro.3245:

Daecollo.9578:

We are probably just taking another damage nerf soon, and we already did get hit with a huge nerf.

Im still waiting on that 1K HPS ele build you were talking about.

That was a LOT of work..

Elementalist with 1,435 Heal Power means. (40 seconds.)
Geyser (x2) = 29.16975/s
Regen Boon = 309/s (Perma Regen Easy! <3)
Evasive Arcana (x4) = 273.7/s
Water Blast (x30[Max Could be 35? Easier to say 30.) = 114.1/s
Soothing Mist = 151.75/s
Glyph of Elemental Harmony (x1) = 122.35/S
(The CD for it is 25 seconds, so I can only get 1 instead of 2, 5 seconds off.)

In 40 seconds, 39566.76 (If I got 5 more seconds I could go a lot more, probably jump to 55k due to the 4 seconds on the heal.)

Add Mango Pie and you have 42966.

I could add even more from the water fields, but yeah that would be way too much work.