Guild Wars 2

As Kensuda said, at the moment EU has stronger teams and more solid gameplay, due to more teams in the top end of the scale and generally faster evolving meta and more skilled players. No doubt TCG vs GF would be very uneven and GF would probably not even reach the 150 point mark. That doesn’t mean that they’re not a good NA team but EU meta is stronger than NA meta in general.

Nikaido.3457:

vincecontix.1264:

The goes for all classes but especially thiefs because basically the team with the most thiefs loses atm.

I feel this was true of ele too. At least before the patch, I can’t say how it is atm because I didn’t play much since the last balance patch (dem balthazar runes!). But I’ve never seen teams with 2+ ele win unless the other team spectacularly failed, like, so bad they should never even touch an online game again. Seeing an ele on my team always felt so cringy since only the best players can barely make it work at a decent level and most of the case the ele you get paired with in soloq aren’t that mythical unicorn ele player. I’ve even seen one who plagued 50% of my morning soloq by staying in water attunement most of the time spamming staff skill 1.

Lol 1st game after patch in soloq: my team had 3 eles a mesmer and a necro, enemy team had mesmer, decap engi, guardian, warrior, ele and we won 500 to 160. Yes it was at least 4 top50 players and rest top100. #elepocalypse

As the title says I’d like to thank ArenaNet for this amazing and long awaited patch. I have to say the first 20 minutes I spent running around headlessly trying to figure out how to make my characters look the same as they did before, but I managed fine and everyone else seem to have gotten answers to whatever questions they had about the changes.

Here’s a list of amazing stuff I encourage you all to try and were made possible by the latest Feature Pack:

• Truly custom looks in both PvP and PvE – there were tons of skins I couldn’t get in PvE but had in PvP and I waited so long for this to be possible. Now I can show off my hard earned cosmetics to fellow players no matter where I am. This is great for an MMO.
• TDM added – I didn’t get the chance to try this because the only public arena that hosted TDM was full, but jokes on me for not being ready and buying gems even after weeks of constant information from the devs about the patch.
• Ele healing signet – this has been brought back into play and it’s fun to use. Needless to say more.
• Tons of new stuff – including reworked runes and sigils that open up new possibilties in terms of build variety. Took me about 2 hours to mess around with these and I’m not even done yet, but must sleep :<
• New traits – some are not as great as others but they’re still new and interesting and I see no reason to complain about something that was added into the game and did not replace anything.
• New UI – takes some time to get used to but after a while I can see how this will make my building and rebuilding much quicker and easier.
• Reward Tracks – I like this one because it gives regular players more reason to play while the more hardcore PvPers will not miss out on anything, in fact the more active you are the more rewards you can get.
• Many more – need to cut this short, but also thanks to the devs reading the forums at this time and answering people’s questions. Some people are very rude to the devs who try to get our ideas across to the men and women who make the decisions regarding changes to the game.

I hope everyone else can enjoy this as much as I did and that this was just one of many to come!

Bunker staff ele
Condi + spirit guardian
Power ranger
Support necro
Frenzy HB warrior

Vs

Condi d/f ele
Condi thief
SD engi
DPS guard
Bunker mesmer

Competitive games: high telegraphs, medium particle effects.
Guild Wars 2: little to no telegraphs, heavy cluster of particles and AI.
Trying to make sense of what’s happening while watching GW2 gives people headaches and the lack of good shoutcasters and interface that helps them (e.g.: a linear text log of major skills used in a particular fight) is another reason why Blu gets less viewers streaming ESL Weekly than a regular 12 years old kid playing LoL.

Other reasons:

1. Conditions – why is that guy losing health yet we see no big numbers on him?
2. Tanky builds – diving in for kills and close calls are what make games like LoL and Dota fun to watch. Tanky builds eliminate the possibility of bursting single targets.
3. Invulnerabilities and evades – there are too many in this game and they make combat boring and mistakes forgiving.
4. Conquest – I do like conquest as it has place for some amazing plays. Problem with fighting on small nodes is that everything happens on 2% of the map and the rest is totally useless. It would be way more fun to watch fights on larger nodes with open areas around to make pulling people off point into a burst combo viable.
5. No reason to play – the amount of attention PvP gets is just ridiculous. Stale meta makes people leave and no competitive rankings, leagues, seasons mean that there is literally nothing a competitive player would want in this game.

e$ports

I thought the captain leaves the sinking ship last. Kind of ironic that we, the rats are still here though.

Wish you all the best, Allie.

Weapon skills:
1 : 1
2 : 2
3 : 3
4 : 4
5 : 5
Heal : G11
Elite : G12
Utility :
7. G9
8. G10
9. M-3
Movement:
WASDQE
Dodge: V
Jump: Spacebar
Professional skills (1-4)
F1 skill : F1
F2 skill : F2
F3 skill : F3
F4 skill : F4
Usage skills
Do/stomp/pick-up : F
Weapon swap : ~
Targeting:: M-5
Take target : T
Stow weapon : G18
Look-behind: G17
About-face: G13

I use the G buttons on my Logitech G600. Other than that, macro for custom arena passwords on my keyboard G buttons (ERMAHGEWD REPORT PL0X).

I’m still waiting on my Ransacker title… and my Marauder.

1) First off a good combination of professions is one you and your friends feel comfortable with. That being said it is ideal to have 1 of each heavy class and at least another semi-bunker or condi-bunker so you can apply pressure on points and the risk of being out-rotated is lower. You can have 2 other characters that are not as tanky. Ideal choices for new teams are: thief and meditation guardian, mesmer is hard to pull off but is possible, ele is not viable yet and necro and engi can both be countered but can also bring a lot of damage and fill different roles.
So in short:

1. Hambow warrior
2. Support/bunker guardian
3. Spirit ranger
4. Thief
5. Necro
   This is the setup ran by ESL, one of the top teams. You can also run mesmer instead of necro to get the 55HP monks setup or run a condi warrior or decap engi for far point pressure, like CM did.

2) This is very situational and so it’s hard to give you an exact answer. Generally you should look at players that have their healing skills on cooldown when you’re bursting a target but if they use a healing skill and you have the pressure to get them down in the next few seconds go for an interrupt. Also interrupting stomps and revives is important. As for combo fields: the ones I use more frequently are my fire field for might stacking in combat, smoke field for stacking stealth for engage and water field on the ranger healing spring which is worth blasting for some AoE heals.

3) The way I look at it roles in conquest are:

1. Tanky dps – hambow warrior
2. Condi bunker – ranger and some engi builds
3. Condi roamer – like necro, warrior and some engi builds
4. Node fighter – any class with high AoE pressure and 90% 1v1 winrate or higher
5. Decapper – pushes people off points, like engineers, some ele and guardian builds
6. Support – shout guardian, shout warrior, regen banner warrior
7. DPS roamer – thief, sc/X ele, SD engi, offguard…. etc.
8. Utility roamer – mesmer

You should also consider that some classes and builds counter others, like condi necro will kill a condi engi and a thief has higher chances against eles and mesmers than they have against the thief. Condition warriors beat almost everything in a 1v1 unless they get outplayed.

Hope that helps!

Yes it is the same skin. What’s your question again?

Shen.4206:

Any game that has more than 6 skills/character is unsuitable for eSports ?
lol, Most of Esport game has more than 6 skills/character ok?Except FPS game.

Any game that has more tracking-target abilities than ground target will never have a high skillfloor.
Yeah,DotA,SC,WC so many RTS games that require APM above 200-300 is too easy ha?

Any game with passive health regeneration factor that can outheal the damage of any other single character will never be fun to watch
This is not the most important problem,the problem is there is no significant visual impact during any match
a bunch of guy around the point, dizzy flash, number changing, you tell me who wanna see this?
but please imagine a picture of wall fell, tower shattered and the castle full of fire, two team of champions fighting for their homeland.They capture mercs, tame beasts, enslave demons from the forest,island,underwater nearby
oh, I wet myself

Ok clean yourself up and now try to present all that to an audience of 300k-1mil people in a way that they all understand. Because that’s what they call esports. You described a M. Bay movie.

An average person has about 2 hands with around 5 fingers on each (adds up to 10 fingers altogether). This means you can actually press 10 skills at the same time accurately. If you have a small keyboard you can probably press more. Not that anyone would need to do this but in this game there is nothing that can be done with macros that cannot be done without. Just learn the game please…

Paavotar.3971:

You do know that with the current state one ele lavafront is able to deal 7k to 15k DPS, yes damage per second.

Lolwut?
Full zerk ele with maxdps dungeon setup and 25 stacks of might will do a lucky 6k lava font crit on another ele without gear and traits. Considering around 80% of WvW players play heavy classes amd the average armor for a player is around 2.8k the best you can do is 2k per second per target which is 10k AoE dps if you get 5/5 crits. Considering random aegis, protection and evades 15k is not possible. And then ofc your ele will die from 3 guardian staff autos.

I’m a bit confused now. So setting keybinds and using them is considered macro? Why does the game have an option for it then?
The only macros I’ve ever used were for web development so I could have more copy-paste slots and so I have no clue how it would work in game but you honestly don’t need it to kill players that click their skills. Keybinds are much faster and it’s not cheating afaik.
But you can come wreck me some day to prove me wrong Merlin.

You play decap engi, talking about unfair :P

I can’t think of any combo that I’d need a macro for. Not like we have over 100 keybinds in this game. That said I’ve been accused of macro use and mostly when I was on my ele because appearently pressing 5 buttons at once (3 on keyboard, 2 on mouse) is humanly impossible.
Who do you think used macros against you?

Any game that has more than 6 skills/character is unsuitable for eSports. Any game that has more tracking-target abilities than ground target will never have a high skillfloor. Any game with passive health regeneration factor that can outheal the damage of any other single character will never be fun to watch…
Any game without class roles (like holy trinity) will fail in terms of PvP.
The devs probably knew this when they designed GW2 and I’m sure that talking about esports was a clever ploy to get competitive players into GW2 PvE.
Oh yeah and downed state is just terrible for viewing experience. It eliminates risky plays because if I have 200 health left I won’t dive in to gank another low health person because I’ll be instant downed by their downed abilities.

Ok so you have 1000 qualified gamers telling you healing signet is terrible, spirit rangers require no skill and do insane damage, decap engineers are the definition of cheese in conquest and mesmers lack built-in escapes while the only survivability option that’s OP for them is useless for conquest – yet your company has no intentions to change any of this for the next 9 months.
Makes no difference. It’s not that they lacked information on it. It’s that they do not care.
Examples: Dhuumfire, Diamond Skin, RTL nerf, Berserker’s Stance.
Things that cried for a nerf since forever: Automated Response, vigor uptime on dps classes, poison on aoe skills such as Choking Gas and Poison Grenade.

Warrior Healing Signet and the new heals in general are great examples to prove your point Zone.

Look at minimap → see 5 enemy icons → leave close or on Forest you can just cross towards the beach to keep track of enemy close holder, if you see someone go down on your team in 4v4 it’s ideal to fall back. You can always go far if you can win 1v1 on it and mid is 4v4. You can generally leave close if one of your team mates is about to respawn and you’re outnumbered on close.
I also leave close when there’s a decap engi because they make me alt+f4 once my stability runs out. It’s better to just trade points and run far then.

zone.1073:

DanyK.3842:

LoL has a very toxic community, an average player age of 12 years old and PvP that works and is regularly maintained as well as fun.

They also have a public test realm accessible to anyone, so the voice and opinions of their community is actually heard straight from the community itself, instead of having interpreters and ambassadors moderate between the community and the game developers like here in GW2.

With a public test realm, the players (the people who actually have to play the game) can directly test and provide feedback on upcoming changes. It empowers the community and gives us an opportunity to truly influence the direction of the game that we, in the end, have to play and endure.

A PTR for GW2 would be a once in a year thing. That’s how frequent PvP updates are. You just can’t make PvP work like that even with full transparency and test realms, community-elected coordinators and the likes. 1 major overhaul a year can’t compete with frequent updates. Also in LoL they change basic stuff like CS or jungle mob respawns and rewards and add new champions.

No game can ever be balanced, but having a new OP build every 2 weeks is way more fun than playing against the same cheese for a year. This is what successful games do and this is what GW2 will never have. None of the devs played top tier competitive games or if they have they surely did not understand what made them successful.
Who am I trying to fool? GW2 is successful. PvP just does not fit in with the rest as it brings too little money and so it is a “low priority at the moment”.

Let me guess. You don’t like thieves?
Seriously the 2 games have nothing in common. GW2 has fancy and up to date PvE, old and broken PvP and the combination of the 2 called WvW. LoL has a very toxic community, an average player age of 12 years old and PvP that works and is regularly maintained as well as fun.

Karsaib plays hs warrior… Busted! :P
This game will never be interesting to watch due to lack of ground target huge dps – huge telegraph skills a.k.a skillshots. Also the scaling of armor makes bunkers more viable and there is no condition resistance stat.

Legacy has a pot of molten metal in it. Possible place to go swimming. I say remove Legacy asap.

You don’t get anything from reaching dragon rank. Shiney finisher? So what? I don’t even know what it looks like nor do I care. They could have put it in gemstore and people would have overrracted as well.
Funny how so many cried for it to be achievable and when they make that happen the same people cry that now it ruins their game.
P.s.: I’m not even rank50 yet and won’t reach it probably. Gonna focus on other games and invitationals (no ranks awarded for those) and all the PvE heroes can show off their fancy finishers. It won’t make them a better player than me. Oh yeah and ofc reading this forum is always funny.

I was on front page of soloq leaderboards for a month from rank38 to 46. I was the lowest rank player in all games before I got 2 4v5s in a row and dropped off. Now I find ppl from r20 to 70 in games and honestly it doesn’t really matter.

jayson.6512:

Nerf what zerker stance? Do you know that I have to bring zerker stance and signet of stamina and cleansing ire melandru rune and -40% condition food just to survive against condition spamming build that can easily re apply chill cripple bleeding and poison you guys needs to play more against good player not those up leveled one running around like a rat being chased by a cat

How do you use food buffs in PvP? If you have issues related to WvW or warriors, please use the WvW or warrior forum to avoid confusion.

P.s.: I didn’t know about the 5 sec icd on the sigil. Maybe they will push it to 9 sec but do keep in mind warriors have to invest 15 points to get fast-hands. It does not come as default. I remember a runeset that gave 1 sec reduction on weaponswap cooldown. Maybe they’ll change it to make 5sec weaponswaps possible for all classes but not to make warriors able to do instant weaponswaps all the time.

Serdoc.7261:

Prepare your anus for Sigil of Intelligence + Valkyrie Warriors; guaranteed 3 crits per 5 second weapon swap WITH high power and massive crit damage, all while being very tanky

I thought they keep the icd’ s on sigils? So every 9 seconds, just like now.

Mythoryk.7984:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

i think people are overreacting.

do remember that they balance the game for casual players, not competitive.

They balance the game to balance the game.
Did you play GW1? If something was wrong in GvG, they fixed it. Otherwise, it wasn’t a priority. With the e-sport community of GW2 increasing, I can’t imagine they just sit back and watch the rank 60+ teams decimate with broken builds and not concern themselves with it. I promise you… they don’t balance PvP for sPvP. They balance for tPvP.

E-sport community increasing? I hope you’re being sarcastic. GW2 had nothing to do with esports nor it ever will. What it has is 4 teams per continent tryharding against new and PvE players to get 650 – 0 on Legacy.

Amstel Steel.2058:

Starting in the 1960s, the government provided processed cheese to those on welfare. The orange block was a combination of a variety of cheeses and emulsifiers that didn’t taste (or smell) all that great. Since then, Midwesterners use the expression when they want to say that something is a terrible idea.

That was shortly after the invention of flamethrower in WW2 that introduced the decap engi meta in trench warfare. Knocking people back in their own holes was a great way to win outnumbered fights and it was a relatively short cooldown as well. Another great feature of these soldiers at the time was that when they were badly wounded some genetical code prevented them from being poisoned or even bleed.

There’s around 100 people playing PvP still. Just wait for those who quit to fall down in rankings due to decay then play 1 game and win and you’ll be top100. Do it fast though because I heard the new rewards will bring back a lot of players…

Proven.2854:

DanyK.3842:

Right click -> Challenge for duel. Devs can already do this with a line of code, as seen on livestream. How hard can it be to implement?

Just want to clear this one up, but the actual code from the livestream looked like “Right click -> Make character hostile to every single other entity in the zone.”

And I doubt ANet would ever put dueling in without a couple of production value extras.

Right click → challenge → popup window asking if player accepts duel. → if yes → make player hostile to me; if not → nothing.
Maybe when you stomp the opponent rallies, combat and hostility resets and you get a popup saying you are victorious. Nothing that doesn’t exist in game already. I wouldn’t add a specific arena for this as at this point duels are very dependent on terrain. Being able to duel and spectate anywhere and anytime would be nice.

Right click → Challenge for duel. Devs can already do this with a line of code, as seen on livestream. How hard can it be to implement?

Duece.5607:

LMAO get good at the game and learn when to dodge correctly and not just spam it like every other theif does and NO thief does NOT need anymore evades look at shortbow 4 and pistol whip spammer.. LOL your kidding me this is NOT going too happen you have the MOST mobility out of ANY class in the game and stop comaplaining cause you play full glass and die almost instantly…

Does this confirm that sb4 is getting an evade as well now? Would be a nice addition to sb3 that already evades and is 100% projectile finisher with the poison field on sb4 which will now also evade?
Nice knowledge of the game bro, gg.

The elementalist trait is superior I believe considering that steal can’t crit and that applies even in stealth with hidden killer so I believe absolute traits always are superior. Hidden Killer grants 100% crit chance in stealth, not a guaranteed crit.

You take thieve’s guild over BasiLyssa? I can hop on my NA account and show you why it’s not the meta… :P
Anyway gl in finding a team and if the NA and EU versions are not the same day you can recruit me:
Warr, guard,ele(?).

No Skyhammer in rotation? #disappoint #noeSports

gennyt.3428:

Link is busted

/inb4threadmove

Woops, fixed it! Thanks for pointing it out. It’s cuz I fail at the coding of this forum :P

As the description on YouTube says I can’t dedicate my time to GW2 anymore. WvW seems stale after nearly 2 years of playing it but hey, I always found a way to enjoy it (until now) and I’ll share this with you.
The video only contains some of the awesome adventures I took part in while I was with dF. Credits go to all members of Driven By Fury whom I had the chance to play with.

Video

Enjoy.

In a competitive PvP game you enter a PvP mode knowing there’s a chance that you’ll loose.
Therefore in serious games you stake things in hope for good rewards for example you can loose your money and gear if you get killed in death match and the enemy can pick it up and use it if he won.
The least they can do is reward winners with amazing things while not giving anything to the loser. In GW2 I don’t even care if I loose I still gain something.

Queue time for this game mode in GW2 would be immense (at least 2-3 hours) I don’t know how it was in GW1 but that’s pretty much twice my daily playtime and that’s only the queues. Matches altogether would last another hour or 2.
Not enough players in this game to make something out of PvP anymore.

silvermember.8941:

There is your communication.

DanyK.3842:

This is a massive nerf to my ele build (14/14/14/14/14). Thanks so much ArenaNet!
On a more serious note I hope they won’t make me do PvE to try out the new traits in PvP, even though they probably won’t be viable and will lean heavily towards support.

you can buy it they said, Which is probably why they introduced gold into the PvP.

I have to say ever since I get 30s for a tourney win I am a GW2 millionnaire. Money is no problem for a PvP player, money cost? Bring it on!

ESL games are not balanced. They just have updates that are so frequent that OP is only OP for a week or 2 before something new comes. This can be achieved by simple number changes every week…

This is a massive nerf to my ele build (14/14/14/14/14). Thanks so much ArenaNet!
On a more serious note I hope they won’t make me do PvE to try out the new traits in PvP, even though they probably won’t be viable and will lean heavily towards support.

I had a 39 game winning streak in solo q before. Ironically a 4v5 stopped this and because it was against low ranked players I went from lb11 place to 100something which is outrageous as it took me hours of carrying and getting carried to reach 11.

Ok so it’s very clear that not a single person on this forum is satisfied with the 18th patch. Whereas we also found out earlier that the around 500 people that post here regularly are only a vocal minority (see: very very tiny and insignificant part) of the large PvP Community of Guild Wars 2 – I have seen people in The Mists asking what happened to their PvP rewards and why it went through like this. Then again these only represent another minority that is limited to Far Shiverpeaks and Desolation Heart of the Mists.
All that said it is obvious that we have no idea nor any way of predicting what the bigger circle – the PvP Community thinks about the patch in general.
Here is what I experienced:

• Team queue – played for 2 hours, got 4 games, 4/4 same team… hey TsB! o/
• Solo queue – played for 1.5 hours, got 4 games, 14 players altogether throughout. The lowest rank player was rank18, non ranked on leaderboard, highest rank was 68, then ranked 50ish on leaderboard.

There must be a bug or something because there is no way that this massive PvP Community of Guild Wars 2 can not pump out enough players to give us a different team to play against in team queue for 2 hours and in solo queue for 1.5 hours.
P.s.: I did attempt to get new opponents and team mates in solo queue because I wanted to shamelessly queue dodge a guy that seemed to be so fascinated with enemy controlled mid that it seemed a good trade off for him to let the enemy outnumber us on far and then snowball him on mid while he autoattacked the guardian.

What are your immediate observations, fellow Vocal Minority?

1. Unlikely.
2. Already do.
3. Nothing they can do anymore that will make me invest in their game.
4. Just about to.

Was it
19 – Mercenary
29 – Avenger
39 – Ransacker
49 – Marauder
59 – Ravager
69 – Reaper
79 – Mist Walker

…originally, or rather if you got that far by hot join games only? Because that is a bit sad considering I’d potentially have 2 more titles if I didn’t waste my time with ranked games. Also by rank I’d be Ravager by the time I get Ransacker which is a bit sad.

Rank49 6/10 Ransacker…