Guild Wars 2

Okey. We all know how thieves are fun and fast-paced. A class that requires to be focused and has 0 room for error. If an error occurs – Thief is punished by an instant death. And yes – i am talking about PvP and WvW and overall balance between classes. I’m hopeless already at this point but i wish some dev could answer this.

Will you ever bring the class back? Have you ever tried going to a ranked match as a Thief? If you did – how did that feel? Weren’t you insta-killed by Dragonhunter/Reaper/Scrapper (or just a regular planted trap that 1 shots)? And if you will ever bring the class back can you tell me when please? So i’ll know when i can install the game again.

I’m sorry for this rant but this is getting ridiculous. A 3-year main Thief veteran gets killed by some passive overtuned class that requires no focus/skill whatsoever. I wonder actually how many ex-thieves already quitted. And i’m quite surprised i still had patience to be a Thief after June and HoT patches.

yeah.. i wanted to ask same question actually. well i run the same build like in pvp. herald/retri/devast. sword+shield / staff. but im having problems in wvw i just dont understand. i run almost full zerker. just abit of vitality bonuses. and outcome is totally different then in pvp. i get killed so quickly. and against someone like condi mesmer or condi revenant i dont have a chance in 1v1s. wuts the problem maybe anyone has an idea? isit because im not fully ascended? nor im really pushing the stats on top foods? or maybe i should try sword/shield + hammer? staff never really looked fun to me but so far staff really offers some extra survivability. in PvP with equivalent builds/ similar stats im quite okey. but in WvW its totally different story. any suggestions? what may be the problem?

it’s definetely not a trash tier. it’s very strong. BUT. it’s strong only on D/F. which is a very dull and passive build.. i enjoy mostly ( and many eles do ) D/D. ir even S/F. but yea.. those are really trash tier compared to D/F. so yup.. buff D/D or S/F or i’ll fall asleep playing D/F. and in general.. when will anet realise that they need to push on active builds rather then passive ones being OP. passive builds makes people sleep and log out. make arcane viable. make air viable. make D/D viable. then it will be fun. for now.. lets just sleep and hold points half afk.

main reactions (pvp wise):

oh look elemantalist is quite useless now..(so i will just quit pvp until next patch or so). i wish they would really make Air trait viable and make Ele an offensive class rather then a healer/bunker.

oh look my Thief still gets 1 shotted by Revenants hammer 2 skill. alrighty..

oh look Guardian still spams trap/stealth->trap/stealth and 1 shots thieves. alrighty then..

quitting pvp. the life of ele and ex-thief

Thieves and Warriors became extinct. i think that says it all what we need. bring my thief back to life! im tired of it being squishy as paper..

but what are the options? i mean.. i’ve been wanting to quit since june actually. basically when Thief was starting to get rekt. for me its very simple: balance team (if there is such) can’t do their job well? well then good luck and bye bye. cuz balance is everything. u get frustrated when your favorite class gets smashed out of balance. anyway i still play abit just because i can’t find any alternatives. any games out there that has a decent PvP system without broken balancing teams? (excluding Aion/Tera/Neverwinter/Rift/WoW/Wildstar). thats the stuff. we need some good alternative so we can just leave this mess behind and carry onto another game

Shovel Face.4512:

So I decided to roll with the Maruder Scrapper and my god you can’t kill anyone. I’ll get them to around 20% but now my skills are on CD and they use their heals. How is this class even Meta?

I would say I’m a decent engi, I’ve played enough games and watched videos on how to play the build.

what on earth are you talking about o.O .. i rolled engi for the first time (cuz scrapper seemed awesome to try out) and Oh My God. it has crazy sutain and crazy damage. with those hammer combos you can blow someone up so easily o.O .. and im quite new to engis. u r doing something really wrong if you can’t do damage…

Thief OP. pls nerf. OP at exploiting mmr.

just merge preparedness into class itself (extra ini.).. so we can play somethin like Dare/DA/Crit or Dare/DA/SA without having to take trickery. and that would do it for me. but anyway… all hope is lost with anet. not even expecting any changes to thief. they literally took it and threw into the trashcan.

Gaile……………………. Thief Thief Thief Thief. mot people quited Thief if you still didn’t notice. you guys should just create one and go try pvp. i cannot STRESS ENOUGH how Thief needs your attention.

PS. TTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFFFFFFFFFFFFFF… (u know… the class that you barely see)

hey. so i’ve been testin lots of builds since xpac launched and i thought all hope is lost for those without HoT. but nope. this post essentially is just to help out Guards in PvP/WvW and stay competetive. really a decent build that i think even deserves meta cuz i’ve been able to 1v2/3 with this one. main idea is “Get rid of that slow-mo GS and zeal trait”. i noticed long ago people avoid GS burst very easily cuz animation is slow. and as much as the Sword is sketchy it’s way quicker. you land atleast 3-4 hits before ur enemy dodges. and main defense with this one is Focus. traited Focus. i always liked double melee builds but Torch seemed to screw me up when it comes to defense. so hell why not just having Focus on both sets. in Radiance u could either go with “Radiant fire” or “Retribution”. in Virtues u can either go “Supreme Justice” or “Absolute Resolution”. i prefer it this way tho – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQRAsd7dlsAhqhY3QwcIwPEH1D1NAW0YwOBnwhmDxSMFB (not a condi build btw. Zerker/Valkyrie mix. Runes are either Flame Legion or any DPS boosting runes like scholar etc. u wont need Travelers with this one cuz u got Scepter as ranged and u got ur Sword #2. so u can pull that extra damage gettin rid of Travelers.)

it takes time to get used to it but overall it’s a very fun build and i gotta say quite OP. focus on your scepter. time well your Focus #5 and dont use it too early. cooldown reduction will save you big time. okie Guard fellas i encourage you to use it if you are having trouble staying competetive.

idk but im still playing without Xpac and it’s the same as before. nothing to do? well u do the same stuff u did before Xpac. idk but so far im not convinced i need that xpac. WvW is quite dead anyway. they made BL’s bigger so roaming is now dead even more. unless u Xpac owners have like personal WvW maps? i doubt. anyway when it comes to PvP and WvW it’s still the same. and tbh with my Guard i can eat all those elite specs anyday anytime. not seeing any OP’ness in them. so i guess only change is in PvE. if u r tired of Silverwastes go on and pay 45eu to get into an extra area where u’ll be farming for next 2-3 years. so ye – WvW / PvP players arent rly into this xpac.

i totally agree with OP. i really think testing before buying is a fair thing to do. i myself am wondering to buy it or not. and its not because i dont have money or anythin. its just a simple curiosity to try it out if it’s fun or not. if it’s decent – i’d buy and continue playing. if it’s not – i’d just carry on to other games cuz gw2 already bored the crap out of me. so yes, i think testing before buying is a fair request. you dont just dump your money for something that you might not even like.

u know why complaining? cuz thief is a thief. not a gunner. make DD / SD / DP builds less squishy then we’ll be alright. but all that PP and condi stuff… thats not a Thief.

i feel ya mate.. i feel exactly the same. tho i totally gave up and re-rolled mesmer. but i dont enjoy it. and i keep thinkin to play Thief again. but whenever i create one and hop into hot join i notice its still the same crap. i’d understand if i’d be a terrible rookie player then i couldnt complain. but now? sorry. i played Thief for so long and i barely used to loose any 1v1s. be it medi guard ir dd ele. even 1v2’s i used to pull out. and now? with same build i can barely survive a 1v1. GW devs should really start thinking something cuz now its really obvious that Thief population is dying. and some people might just quit entire game cuz they cant really enjoy other classes. same as me.. i noticed i play alot less now, cuz i cant truly enjoy Mesmer.

sry mate too late.. quitted → rolled mesmer → rekin faces → not even bothering.

#Thiefisdead (pity tho.. was and IS my fav class) but oh well. its better to rek faces then to be rekt. kthnxbai

i can join with my mesmer ^^ x3 times more useful and x3 times better at surviving. #Thievesrdead

just..roll mesmer and enjoy rekin ppl.. i know its not that fun as thief tho .. but oh well. still has its moments ^^ or keep strugglin and feelin Anets wrath xD

Jitters.9401:

You need to remove stealth gained via blackpowder and heartseeker.

1) Basilisk Venom Steal/cloak and dagger for stealth = dmge up to 7k
2) Backstab = damage up to 9k
3) Dodge/evade till reveal is over.
4) Attempt to Stealth with either cloak and dagger or
5) blackpowder/heartseeker for stealth/healing/condi clear.

I don’t mind the steps 1,2,3,4. I do not do much damage per hit, but I can still win even if I get hit for that initial 16k damage. Other classes can win even after the insane burst.

It is the blackpowder/heartseeker that is an issue. We see it all the time. Problem is, in the forums, no-one has specifically pointed out where the issue of thief stealth lies.

Fact
All the thieves who use this are running remove conditions on stealth and regen in stealth.
Fact
They use this skill to remove all condition damage and heal up to 100% while their opponent is sitting visible the entire time with no ability to heal more then a modest amount.
Fact
The balance is way off. I refuse to play this way just to win a fight.

It makes sense to not allow people the ability to nearly God Mode an aspect of the game.
1) I can’t kill diamond skin ele’s. I’m ok with that.
2) Some of the mesmers stealth so much I can’t kill them either. I’m ok with that.
3) A thief with good morals hits me for 16k (steps 1-3) total and I’m ok with that too.

I’m not ok with a god mode thief build. It ruins the game play and enjoyment of far more people then the number of idiots who use it.

If you remove the blackpowder/heartseeker stealth you will see far far less people complaining about thief stealth in the forums. The only people who will complain will be those who abuse the god mode just because they are bottom dwellers who feed off of ruining other people’s game play.

They will never kill me, but I am writing this post for those who can never escape a fight with a build that should never exist. As it stands, with issues like this, I have no inclination to buy your expansion.

are you for real? you guys need to think about other classes and respect them too. all you do is care bout your class. we have been nerfed after patch. lots of thieves that i know either re-rolled or quitted the game. i myself quitted the game cuz of this. and you still want thieves to be nerfed even more? pre-patch it was an awesome class. if played well godlike class. post-patch it became almost useless. so my answer for you… L2P for real cuz now thieves are rly easy to deal with. they r like 30-40% weaker. but i guess that’s what you wanted – that we would become useless and quit the game (all other classes that QQ about us). so you achieved it. now feeling good? that people who loved the game and class had to quit the game? your goals are reached. now go and make a GW community out of Guardians/Warriors/Rangers. im disgusted how you people never respect other classes. Anet can just delete Thief anyway. it’s not healthy to play that class for sure.

constructive critisism you say? i think we all said many and many times what’s wrong after this patch (and fixing it wont make us OP either). here i’ll narrow it down for you:
1. cleanse all condis upon entering stealth (like it used to be) – SA trait.
2. regain iniative upon entering stealth (like it used to be) – SA trait.
3. if above is too hard to do (which would require just a simple roll back and nothing new) then give us some passive toughness/vitality and/or integrated Blind on CnD.
4. well.. simple.. do not force us into going D/P DA/Crit/Trick. we want more then 1 viable build. and we want to survive atleast for 2seconds.

there i narrowed it down. simple as it is. until then i’ll just go play CS:GO

zzBlurryzz.7492:

Hey guys, I’m Blurry. I’ve only played as a Thief since the release of the Guild Wars 2 Beta. I’ve never touched any other class as I have SO much fun on Thief

We’re all aware …..
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With this update, ArenaNet has taken away the D/D build from us. I’m crushed. They re did the traits without thinking of who it would effect most. The people who were at a disadvantage already running D/D got put even further back, and the D/P Meta thieves now thrive even more. They made us a joke in the WvW roaming / sPvP community. Lets run through some points.

What did we gain?
Well no one can argue the damage of running D/D went up a fair amount. 12-15k backstabs are a normal now. Wow that was a short list of what we gained.

What did we lose?
We lost EVERY piece of survivability we had. We can’t regen in stealth without dropping a VERY important master trait, we can no longer fit Blinding on stealth into our builds successfully, don’t even think about taking the moving faster while in stealth anymore because your damage takes a massive hit if you do.

So what are we left with? A joke. That’s what we are left with D/D thieves where all they can do is steal in, cloak and dagger, backstab, and if we didn’t kill our target, we’re dead. Simple as that. We can’t take on 1v2’s or 1v3’s anymore. Most classes now have an invuln to not die to our burst anyways so we’re left with nothing. They invuln when we go in, they C/C us, and then they kill us. Literally any class can now burst as good as us and with our TINY health pool, we have no chance of surviving. I can’t see the point in playing anymore since the one thing I love is gone now. Classes do better than us in every category and we excel at nothing anymore. Want burst damage? Take a Mesmer! Want stealth? ALSO TAKE A MESMER!!(What sense does that make? Mesmers have more access to and longer stealth than us?), want long range burst? Take a ranger who has an invuln, a knockback, CC and burst. Seriously. Trying to fight a Longbow ranger now is a joke. We go in, they invuln, and then push us back, rapid fire. Since their rapid fire will trace us through S.R. We’re dead.

Please ArenaNet, don’t kill the one thing I’ve loved since release. I want my Thief back

ikr! all this post totally describes how i feel. it’s funny how one of the most skillful class becomes useless. u would think that if you are skillful and an old thief player you would be OP and very hard to deal with. but nope. Anets logic is opposite. “even if you are a skillful beta Thief you’ll get rekt by 1week playing ranger or guardian or w/e”. that’s their logic of putting effort and learning a class. anyway… nothing to add. you are completely right. our class is gone. pre-patch i still managed to find really great builds and barely lost a 1v1. even against a hardcounters either using DD or DP or SD i could always win with a 80% chance (cuz that’s how skillful players r supposed to be like). if u r skillful then u get rewarded. but after patch everythin changed. all fun builds are completely trashed. and we’ve been forced into some DP paper build on which you also die like a pathetic 1st day player.

gl all to you tho (those who are still strugglin to play thieves). i myself have quitted game for good. it’s a pity how best and most fun class gets destroyed by those devs. i guess now all the rangers and guardians are laughing at us and are very happy that we r either re-rolling or quitting game entirely. you got what you wanted QQ’ers! you’ll see a community without thieves. anyway take care and i just suggest forgettin it. i know how frustrating it is to play a thief now and if i were you i’d either give it a half or a year break until they do something. or just completely quit the game and move on. after all games r supposed to be fun. and after patch i had nothing just frustration instead of fun. take care and have fun Thievin in other games !

SpiritSpeakerOfHoelbrak.3980:

Dave.6819:

exactly why im thinkin to quit thief for good. THIS change and also “gain iniative every 4seconds while in stealth”. that trait was nerfed so bad too. used to be “whenever u gain stealth”. now on DP 1 combo of 5+2 is not enuff. even one combo is quite risky cuz u can land HS and reveal urself. so now u gotta do 5+2+2.. huge huge deal. iniative and condi was rly important for a DP Thief runnin SA.

for now just playin that glassy meta DP but i wish they could change back SA trait. this new “meta” is rly rly glassy. Anet we need you to give us ALL condis and Gain ini whenever entering stealth (like used to be)!

D/p thief before patch was bs op. Now it’s fair. I personally think invis classes are puss espically the ones that spam blinds every 2secs. With this change, thief can no longer hide and reset the fight 2million times.

its not puss or anytin. its just different type of defense. id be interested to see how you would react if your main source of defense would be nerfed. lets say your blocks/shouts/shelter/invuln signets/meditation condi cleanses or your vigor or whatever defense mechanism you have. im sure u’d just go and QQ in forums. Thief is fun, hard to play, challenging to master and has a different def. mechanism (hence why i think a well played Thief has a right to be OP. atleast Thieves takes some effort to be good unlike other classes). and its not like you cant hit us while we are in stealth anyway. but yes you are the type that wants only good stuff for your class so idk if theres even a reason to talk to u.

exactly why im thinkin to quit thief for good. THIS change and also “gain iniative every 4seconds while in stealth”. that trait was nerfed so bad too. used to be “whenever u gain stealth”. now on DP 1 combo of 5+2 is not enuff. even one combo is quite risky cuz u can land HS and reveal urself. so now u gotta do 5+2+2.. huge huge deal. iniative and condi was rly important for a DP Thief runnin SA.

for now just playin that glassy meta DP but i wish they could change back SA trait. this new “meta” is rly rly glassy. Anet we need you to give us ALL condis and Gain ini whenever entering stealth (like used to be)!

Alriiiight as above. been a blast and really enjoyed the game of a Thief. (until patch came). basically never used to play meta builds.. was purely a pvp player/wvw roamer and had some really epic and fun moments. had some weird but a very balanced build and almost never used to loose any 1v1s. some good 1v1s even lasted like 10-15min. A BLAST ^^

but anyway take care people and happy hunting. thanks Anet also for your patch that made me just delete everything and quit it for good. in future..i guess change SA traits if you dont want to loose more and more thieves. or you can of course force them into a pure paper glass cannon builds and enjoy seeing them dead and with like 0 condi cleanses (or hmm.. you could just delete the class entirely anyway. atleast it wouldnt frustrate people that much). as they say – having no option is the best option… aight my ranting is done. gl Thief players. and fight for your right to get SA traits like they were and keep backstabbin Anets devs for such changes until they ll open their eyes.. Addios ! ^^

dun worry paladin. im sure there’ll be less and less of us with time. once Anet nerfed our Stealth and condi removals people will be either offline or playing other classes. imma just roll braindead ranger and pewpew. if Anet will not change this then like 30-40% thieves gonna just quit

its funny tho.. :/ cuz actually our Stealth was nerfed quite alot. now we cannot regain ini so fast like we used to. nor we can cleanse all condis. lots of thieves now dropping Shadow Arts trait line entirely and goin full glass. (thnx Anet tho.. many ppl wanted for stealth to be nerfed so there u go. now enjoy new era of thieves. “either u die in 1sec or thief dies in 1sec” )

i like everything so much^^ just got 1 quite huge pointer for you. i hope this gets to Devs cuz its actually a major thing for SA build.

i dont know if it was intended like that or not (nerfed) but now we cannot cleanse all condis once we enter stealth (like it used to be). and also we cannot regain 3 ini once you enter stealth. it was changed to “regain ini every 3 seconds in stealth”.

so ya.. i dont know if it was intended or not (cuz some people think its a glitch) but its quite a huge deal. removing all conditions and gaining initiative ONCE you enter stealth would make me perfectly happy with the update. for now.. kitten . sometimes it’s really a killer. just simply because you cannot remove Immobilized anymore. nor you gain Iniative once you enter Stealth.

hope this gets to devs.. and they would consider making those traits like it used to be cheers

just change 1 minor thing and ill be totally happy then. Stealth removes ALL conditions (like it used to be). and whenever u Stealth u regain 3 initiative (like it used to be). and then im happy til the end of time.

kthnxbai. srsly tho… change it :x

well.. to be honest i expected the same. but now that i played with those new traits…. OMG. guardians are awesome. zeal + valor + virtues. that build has insane dmg. imagine.. u pop retaliation + 3might + burning and u jump on top of your enemies head with GS#2 + medi tele (4 stacks of burning already). traited with even more burnings from virtues and fiery wrath from zeal.. idk but so far i love it. it was the biggest surprise for me. i thought guardian is done.. but it was a huge surprise to see how much of a damage dealer it can be now.

tho its abit a pity for some traits. like Valors master is completely useless. or Honor now.. looks rly terrible to me. all traits tbh. seems like Zeal + Valor + Virtues are my only option now. and it used to be Zeal + valor + honor.

so ye.. going out and testing made me realise that NOPE. guardians arent dead. for sure. but it would be good to switch up some traits. or even to lessen cooldown on virtues (yea.. i still think courage virtue is soooo long).

isit just me or many of thieves are blind? i mean.. okey Shadow Arts isnt a very fun to play line.. but now that we are able to have full 3 lines.. u considered DA + SA + Trickery? take a closer look at SA tree. i’ve been runnin 20606 for quite awhile now. and now ill be able to run 60606 (in old terms).. thats quite beast. and nope, not a glass. far from glass. but ye even metas will be so deadly u shoulnt die. its like old 26006 but gonna be 66006. that kind of glass build should destroy any1. and if u wont be able to do that.. just go my fav build 60606. its awesome for support. its awesome for survival. its awesome for burst. anyway.. all i see is buffs buffs buffs. cant wait for new traits ^^

yeah they really did an awesome thing. who knows if its rly honest post or not but yup.. that was rly sweet of them.

my issue wasnt any of those tho. im just still waitin for more info to come (bout content,bout revenant etc etc) .. cant buy something i dont really have lots of info..

u wot ? again some peowpeow troll post? (arent u a ranger?) lol. anyway, i dont see any nerfs. all i see is buffs. 3 full trait lines… that’s gonna be rekage. for e.g. panic+exe+SR+full trickery on DP. sounds deadly no? idk idk but i think we’re gonna be beasts. all i see is buffs.. cuz having 3 full trait lines on Thief is like having an energy drink.. :P

to people that think devs deserve respect and we arent treatin em well, i say this :

http://i.imgur.com/1h0wSaL.png

for now its not about money. hell, not even about lack of content or whatever. its just about greed and having no respect for players. thats the main reason.

picture above should tell you to buy HoT or not if you are a decent person. and overall.. im just afraid Anet will become same like NCsoft. that company totally ruined Aion. greed greed greed. thats what destroyed that game. so i just honestly hope Anet wont become the same as those guys. i feel bad for those devs that truly worked their kitten off on the update.. and now some guy just tagged the prices and caused all this drama. :/ gl devs. you are still great and we love you. just not those that set the prices and do all these dirty things.

PS – enjoy again

http://i.imgur.com/1h0wSaL.png

DarkSyze.8627:

Cynz.9437:

Tarkan.5609:

Drennon.7190:

Darksyze, I have a seriously unhealthy obsession with hating every word you say. Can you pitch it towards my shrink?

this is so me
some players like DarkSyze should just move on to another game, would save me a lot of facepalms

you do realize they are doing it on purpose and don’t actually care about state of the class/game?

Please! Show Evidence from inside our minds?

Yes! I am asking you to give evidence of us doing it on purpose and don’t actually care about the state of the class/game?

I want to share this with you:

“Ron Kaufmann, from Singapore, in his book: Up Your Service, asked, “Who actually picks up the phone, takes up a pen or gathers the courage to complain? You think it’s the troublemaker, the dificult customer, and the one who enjoys being angry. You’d be wrong”

“Research shows that complaining customers are overwhelming loyal and sincere. They are complaining to you because they care about your business and about the service they receive. They intend doing business with you again in the future, and they want you to set things right”

“The complaining customer trusts you to care, this is why the customer contacted you. Don’t avoid them, embrace them. If a customer does not contact you, it does not mean that they did not experience a similar issue. Customers with similar issues who do not contact you are already lost.”

“Remember that the customer is not complaining about you, they are expressing the dissatisfaction to you. You are not the problem, you are the solution. Rather than perceiving the customer frustration as a personal attack, think of yourself as a person that the customer is coming to for help”.

“How you respond to the complaining customer will determine the long term loyalty of the customer. Take care of a customer who takes time to communicate with you, and you may preserve the loyalty. Let them go, and they will communicate the experience to many other potential customers”.

i gotta agree with you there. i always thought the same and instead of taking personally people should realise the source of complain coming from. BUT. theres a big BUT. it doesnt apply everywhere. and surely its very questionable in MMOs. cuz… just cuz… its full of immature kids that dont really care about anything except their class/their gear nor they have respect for other classes. and if someone is standing against them they will complain and complain like mad. so yup..

on the other hand.. its weird. some people are mad to have Thief in their group. cuz of being useless and weak class. some people complain that they are OP. facepalm … like yesterday.. we had a match and i completely destroyed warrior 2 times. guess what. he goes “useless thief. no burst. bunker, noob, useless bla bla bla..” (useless/noob but he couldnt manage to do anything to me… talk about paradox.) facepalm#2. so there you go. some complain about burst and how OP it is. some complain about a lack of burst (yet they get pwned on 1v1 100% to 0%).. some complain its weak some complain how stronk it is…… so all in all you know… its a game. full of weird people and KIDS. some players are skilled and dont ever complain (cuz they realise its all about knowing your class). some players are less skilled and all they want is their class to be OP’est. —-———-> so your theory kinda doesnt apply here imo. its definetely not a place for such stuff. the only moment (a reasonable one) that we’ll be able to truly complain about some class being OP is when it will be very very obvious and really over the roof. and for now i cannot see such a class. maybe the most obvious is rangers #2 RapidShot at this time + 1500 range.. but yet again its quite dodgeable. so cannot complain too. and believe me we will all know when something is realllyyyyy over the roof and is destroying the game. for now – nope. theres no such class/skill. for now.

Peow peow.2189:

@Klowdge, @ Davee

First of all, there is more then one build that gaurantees win on thief.

As an experiment myself and 4 friends all qued up in spvp kitten d/d thiefs. We roamed the map in groups of 2 with 1 guy holding home and literally 1sec comboed the enemiy team. Players were disconnecting because what we were doing was unstoppable, and simply overpowered.

Sure at the moment you dont see thief picked up in every battle, but give it a month and people will start noticing how strongly buffed the class has become in comparison to others, over the last few patches.

The first thing that must be done if we wish to have a good game, is to cut all weapon evades from the thief class, as they currently have enough evades through dodge rolls and utilities, as well as vigor.

The second step to making a more balanced thief, is to give each class that isn’t a thief a new ability. This ability will counter stealth for a few seconds. Lets say the thief is DP and spamming powder/heart seeker or DD with CnD. Well stealth lasts up to 5 – 10 sec, therefore we make a skill that reveals invisible units for 4 seconds on a 20 second cooldown. This skill will be called eye seeker and a hard counter to perm stealth builds. Every class but thief will have this as an optional utility.

The last step to rid the game of this Overpowerd character and to balance the class, would be to scale attack speed according to enemy armour. The thief currently puts out to much damage to fast, with a quick attack speed and 100% crits with hidden killer. If an enemy has high armour, the thief will then be dealt a frost effect after hitting from stealth, this effect would reduce attack speed per strike. The effect will stack up to 4 times, reducing attack speed by 25% each stack.

With these changes made, we have a more balanced meta with thiefs becoming a more challenging class to play, instead of the insta-win they are at the moment.

Thief and Mesmer is already the most challenging classes. (i tried every class and all of em were easy mode compared to these two). so yeea….. make it more challenging. ruin the game and make all thieves roll some cheesy rangers. u all just hate thieves so bad that u want em nerfed that no1 would even play it. oh and btw about ur “dd thief team”. any classes paired with 2 are unstopabble. i tried that on medi guard. and i had a friend with same build medi guard also. guess what? we could 2v3/4. so of course… 2 players paired are quite OP. anyway whatever. i just hope devs wont listen to you cuz its the only class that is still fun (but if devs will nerf it thnx to such trolls like you then there wont be anythin left in GW to enjoy). all other classes in GW are easy and boring mode. dont even understand how people can play Guard/Warr/Ranger. i fall asleep on those.

PS. in general – stop complaining bout classes. its MMO. hard/easy counters are nature. have some respect for other classes. and instead of moaning learn your class or make such build that you would be a very successful on it (every class has that). im out. sick of these QQ/omg/OP posts. l2p or gtfo instead of cryin.. >_>

Zero Day.2594:

DarkSyze.8627:

Zero Day.2594:

DarkSyze.8627:

Zero Day.2594:

DarkSyze.8627:

For Zero Day include Thief Players:

You ask if thief profession was Op so why not have alot thief players in parties and fights?

I have answer/question: think about it: maybe reason why is, wining all the time and using the same builds and same moves/play-style all the time is too boring for them so they play other professions that offer different builds with different moves/play-style?

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It is the decision, the choice, they made, what they play and not play. Allow them to grow up and own up to the decision they made – it’s harmless since it’s a game after all. If they choose to play other professions and exclude one, that’s by choice. If they see it boring to do the same thing over and over again, that’s fine, they can play other professions and come back whenever they please/find those professions boring. If they’re tired of winning all the time and switched over to “not winning all the time”, it is again by choice.
They’re allowed to make them (choices and decisions), and they should own up to it. If they make a choice/decision and then blame others for it… well… it shows a personal flaw.

How that relates to something being OP, is beyond me.

I already answer: Arena net design the thief profession to guarantee win: that is why.

Guarantee goes against choice and make rewards mistakes instead of punishment.

Can you create a thief on your account? You don’t have to do it, just yes or no, if you can create one.

I think about it sometimes, i will soon.

Thanks. That’s all I needed to hear.

You’ve made a choice to not create one, if you do make one and stop playing it for those reasons (guaranteed win, mistakes being rewarded) or any other, it will be your choice to do so. Own up to it.

Now now… u serious? i can think of maybe 1build that is a “guaranteed” win like you are stating. yet even on that build you have to be focused and time your skills well or you’ll’ be blown up very quickly. err.. not sure if you trollin or wot. buuuuut lets say a great Thief vs. a great Mesmer in WvW = very unpredictable ending. i just had a fight not long ago with a rly good mesmer. and umm.. 1st fight took about 5-6minutes. i won. 2nd fight took like 30seconds and he blew me away. that’s an example for your “guaranteed win/ mistakes being rewarded” idea. and this build is one of the best ones (but rly not a meta). on meta builds D/P thieves would get blown up even more often. so… idk idk. ill just assume you are trolling cuz u must be. (and yet many classes have those “less risk” builds. ) but Thief? well it has.. but its far from a guaranteed win against a good player. pro Medi Guard vs. pro Thief lets say.. those fights can go forever. but Guard will be a lil on top always. unless you outplay him a lil and go for the kill. ( had few days ago an awesome encounter with medi guard. fight took like foreeeeever. and none of us knew who’ll win in the end. sketchy and unpredictable ). soooo again.. ill repeat myself… in a Tier of “a good player vs. a good player” = there’s no guarantees at all. just some easier and harder counters. thats all. good day mr.troller xD

DarkSyze.8627:

Dave.6819:

so the guy actually tries to play Thief and gets rekt and realises its not OP at all. then on his “main” class he gets rekt by thieves and says they are OP…. and cries for a nerf. facepalm …….. (i think that says it all)

you people should be literally banned from posting or your posts should be deleted. cuz if Anet will take your post seriously then we Thieves will be nerfed even more. and if you played one you probably realised theres nothing OP at all. #hardcorefacepalm….

so please stop. dont post such nonsence… its just a l2p issue / build issue / how to counter classes issue / time your dodge issue and etc etc. not some " omgomg thieves op…" issue. kthnxbai

Here is my research investigation result:

- 1st report thread of thief profession being problematic

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/If-you-believe-the-Thief-is-OP-post-in-this-thread/first#post76275

- 2nd report thread of thief profession being problematic. Arena net delete thread very fast: why? why nor investigate it and resolve problem first is present?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-damage-is-OP/first#post67999

- 3rd report thread of thief profession being problematic.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-1-thing-that-sucks-about-a-thief/first#post66188

- 4th report thread of thief profession being problematic.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Broken-Stealth/first#post90491

- 5th report thread of thief profession being problematic

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Rework-Thief/first#post83648

- 6th report thread of thief profession being problematic

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/What-will-next-nerf-be

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So now for 1 year later report thread of thief profession being problematic

- 1st report thread of thief profession being problematic: Arena net delete thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-Cheapest-Class

- 2nd report thread of thief profession being problematic

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Anet-could-you-explain-your-logic

- 3rd report thread of thief profession being problatic

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Stealth-has-to-reward-you-the-better-YOU-are

- 4th report thread of thief profession being problematic. Arena net remove evidence from youtube.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thieves-uncatchable

- 5th report thread of thief profession being problematic.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Need-a-Hot-fix-for-Thief-damage

- 6th report thread of thief profession being problematic

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-being-unfair-with-stealth-and-kitten

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2 years + New year= 3 years of same thief profession being problematic is “nonsense”, “build issue”, “L2P issue”, “counter issue”, “how to counter classes issue”, “time your dodge issue”, “and etc etc”?

yes, my answer is still a L2P issue and etc etc. okey if people think Thief is so OP why dont they make it and enjoy being OP? but somehow they make it and keep dying and dying and being not OP at all. there’s your answer to all of your questions. there is no OP or not OP classes. its just how good you are on your class. and yes there is some unbalanced classes mix. all MMOS have that. most common is heavy armor>medium armor. light armor>heavy armor. medium>light. so yes.. MMOS have that. and its not even a problem. you people probably want to nerf all the classes so your class stays strongest. how egoistic. i suggest forgetting such mindset of a complainer. and just enjoy your class and dont dishonor other classes. or if you are so sure your most hated class is OP, roll one and figure out by yourself.

PS. do not make posts about Thief being OP. we will find you and backstab you.. ^^

so the guy actually tries to play Thief and gets rekt and realises its not OP at all. then on his “main” class he gets rekt by thieves and says they are OP…. and cries for a nerf. facepalm …….. (i think that says it all)

you people should be literally banned from posting or your posts should be deleted. cuz if Anet will take your post seriously then we Thieves will be nerfed even more. and if you played one you probably realised theres nothing OP at all. #hardcorefacepalm….

so please stop. dont post such nonsence… its just a l2p issue / build issue / how to counter classes issue / time your dodge issue and etc etc. not some " omgomg thieves op…" issue. kthnxbai

try out 20606 with D/P. i really love that one. survivability is awesome. you can even play around 1v2 and hold point. not being a paper in pvp is really great. and you still can do awesome damage. enuff with those paper builds. on this build u’ll really help out your teammates and still gonna be able to put some good pressure on someone.

PS. thats the only build that i manage to go 1v2 with alot of confidence. like today happened. 1v2’d Ranger and Warrior like a baws. gl enjoyin that one :P this build has to become meta imo ^^

also bit concerning that it used to be “2 handed weapon recharge reduced”. and now they scattered it all over the place. hammer is there, greatsword is there and staff is hell knows where lol. im sure ill go Zeal/Valor/Honor medi… but i noticed ill be loosing quite alot of good stuff it will make me basically “nerfed”. just the thing ill gain will be those Symbols. but who would be so bad in pvp/wvw that would stand in my symbol so i could do 20% more dmg? that sounds very avoidable.

anyway no idea what to think of it yet but yea.. seems like Guardians will change quite alot. cuz best builds were really scattered through 4 or even 5 traits. time for a change ^^

basically i see this as a huge disadvantage for guards. i always used to love builds that are scattered through all of the traits. lets say 60611. or 20642. well or even 21641. only one i used that kind of fits HoT was 20660. my personal favorite is now 60611. u got vigor/boons. then Zeal 6 u got scep dmg + greatsword dmg +fiery wrath. and also 6Valor for full Medi build. (maybe not the best build but surely a fun one. great damage and u still can benefit from boons/vigor) no recharge on GS tho. but that doesnt rly matter.

and now we’ll have to choose 3 traits :/ okie so lets say Valor/Honor/Virtues. GS/Scep/Foc. but well… no Fiery Wrath. No 2handed cooldown recharge (GS). wut r ur thoughts? im quite dissapointed. probably the most fitting build for me would be 6zeal6valor6honor. but id loose alot too since i wont be able to get boons. i dunno but im already storing my guard for a long break and rolling a necro. on one side having 3 grandmasters is awesome.. but for Guardians who’ll be still be playing GS/Scep/Foc i highly doubt it’s a great change.

dont mean to be a negative one tho. but really is any1 concerned in the same way as i am? its more of a “agressive” guardian gameplay concern i guess. bunkers will still be awesome i suppose. cheers

i actually quitted thief cuz meh… squishy.

but anyway i barely had any problems with rangers. the key is…… PET. lol. pretty much. DD build is very easy.(06620) its just same old CnD -> Backstab -> Wait out -> CnD (maybe on pet) -> backstab.. = done

so umm..ye.. he has a pet. which you can use for your benefit and time ur CnD well and he wont even have a chance to scratch u..(or u can just wait for your enemies near some mobs. so you can easily CnD on demand if needed. those white mobs you know..) but DD build is kinda limited idk. same repetitive combo.. most thieves play either S/D or D/P.. but atleast i personally felt hell too squishy on D/P (cuz 6 in trickery is meh) and initiative is over the roof. or just roll D/P build with 6 in shadow arts and basically do the same old technique with Stealth->backstab (but then be careful with shadow shot. ur initiative is limited. dont overspam it). u shouldnt have a problem at all with that build. even on DD build since u can stealth away so quickly and drop his hp to 20% in 1 hit.

PS – when ull be tired of being squishy just do like me. Medi Guard ftw <3. quite fun class + alot less room for major mistakes. those paper classes are meh.. 1 mistake and ur done (tho very fun to play atleast.. so thats a bonus for Thief)

Bootsey.1605:

jbondo.9817:

Well from guessing you’re probably a sensitive person.
How about you tell us how many people you have blocked, and then we’ll give you a list of the players who play this game every day, and then we’ll explain why that idea doesn’t work.

Perhaps you could try being less sensitive, maybe quit instigating fights, or putting yourself in a situation that requires you to block people.

It’s pretty easy to not even respond to most of the people in this game, so perhaps start making the right decisions.

Or it could be the case that I find myself in. Fail to capture mid in Foefire, guy who’s been sitting on quarry for the last five minutes twaddling his thumbs exclaims, “@$!#ing worst god #$%! team I’ve ever @$!#ing seen. Go @$!#ing kill yourselves after you uninstall @#$!!% scrubs.”
To which I say “Hm….yep. Block list. Anyways. On with what I was doing.”

+11111111 for sure. some people just has to get blocked even if you are silent and really putting all of your effort. they just still sit at far/close while spammin nonsence in chat and giving nothing positive to your team.

but ya .. overall my advice is to just stay silent. dont get into arguments with such people. just block -> carry on.

yup i totally agree. tho they are quite squishy. manage to come close and the kill is urs

yea i might try warrior after all. now i created again ranger. i saw HoT traits for Ranger and was like omg.. they r gonna be quite strong. tho its considered a cheese class and easy class and you get sometimes blamed for playing an “OP” class. the only thing that i like about it is cuz its universal. wvw? not a prob.. just stay far away and shoot things. pve? hell yea. sick DPS so u r quite good for it too. pvp? well.. i think its obvious. but yea imma have to try warrior too. thats kinda the last options for me. i dont even consider engi somehow. i just really really dont like all those technological classes. bombs and kits and grenades meh.. ^^ so yea. i guess its time to just sit back relax and annoy people on ranger and dont bother if its an easy mode or not.

well yea im really the type that wants to find and master it and stick to it for good. but having in mind that i gave a decent amount of time on almost all classes (xcept engi/warr) makes me wonder… idk i just find it hard to find that perfect one. either its boring/cheesy/slow or fun/quick but just too risky and squishy. sooo idk. bout warrior i mean that his attacks seemed slowmo. i tried GS warr i think and well.. overall feeling was really slow. but ya i cant tell for sure. warr/engi were the ones that barely tried. idk might just give it a rest for awhile. i dont think theres a perfect balance anyway. either i roll another thief and keep dying. or i roll somethin comfortable like a guardian and enjoy living. maybe it actually is like night and day. never seen a perfectly balanced class/build. (considering 1v1s lets say)

okey. as topic says i just cannot decide and cant find the perfect fit for me. i had 80lv ranger. 3 80lv thieves (yes 3…). 80lv guardian. 80lv necro. 80lvl ele. played a lil with mesmer in pvp. warrior and engi is just not for me (tho i havent tested much) but warrior felt very slow and engi.. well im just not the type of “technological” classes.

umm. i enjoy mostly pvp/wvw roaming. im heavily into competetive type of games. i just love action and tend to get bored in pve content cuz of a lack of challenge. okey hmm.. i totally loved thief mechanics (hence i had 3 of them). its a fast-paced class which is just pure fun to play. tho it has a big big minus. its a paper. sometimes you just die no matter how hard you try. i tend to get heavily frustrated when i just cannot 1v1 someone. so thats the reason why thief is a nono anymore.

ele. well ele is kind of “jack of all trades” i suppose. but mainly i couldnt really enjoy it cuz it has some lack of damage and not much of a range. (having in mind DD cele/zerker). it had a plus of being atleast alil challenging cuz of a piano gameplay and quite supportish. but lack of damage and range just didnt work for me.

so yea trying to cut it shorter. im literally lost. i need something fast-paced and atleast more complex then ranger/necro.. yet i dont want to get frustrated by playing a very risky class like thief and get ganked on 1v1s. what are my options? maybe just quitting the game itself cuz i just cannot find perfect fit? or to roll something that i dont enjoy but atleast dont get frustrated? or.. i dont know. ty for replies

haha great one i actually switched to playing D/D too. D/P seems fun but its just not as OP as DD. well played D/D is just nearly invincible mode ^^ .. i even play it in pvp (even tho revealed is nerfed).. DD powah <3

looool @ this post. some1 saying that thieves are OP and should be deleted xD u clearly havent played a thief i suppose. go create one and play abit. you might realise its quite hard to be a really good thief. now take a look at other classes (eg ranger). they dont even require skill to be good. so please dont cry. atleast our prof. requires skill to be good unlike yours.

indeed sirbeau.. i run SA traits and Shadow Refuge even on a shorter cooldowns just to heal up and stealth my team. well not only but yea.. ^^

when it comes to backstabs? i have no idea why people get mad.. if thief BS’abbed you just AOE and most likely ull find a dead body after your AOE (especially if u r a guardian). so thats how “OP” it is. AOE AOE AOE and OP’ness will be dead on the floor.