Guild Wars 2

lioRock.2768:

only uses tiny weapons

Welcome to the life of an Asura

Tmeh.4091:

Hello!

I just had to endure two people crying for a mesmer for their JP for the better half of an hour.

Mind=Blown

When I questioned why this guy was so eager to complete this JP he replied with “For the achievement, so I can get skins and gear”.

/facepalm

A completionist that wants it on a silver platter.

The reason I’m posting this is so I can A ) Share this thorn in my eye and B ) So I can pose the question, isn’t this incredibly counter-productive? On one side you’ve got the developers and they’re faulty for letting this happen and on the other side, the players in question that would rather fuss and cry for an hour over doing the puzzle themselves.

Lol, so were they actually asking a mesmer to do a JP FOR them and portal them up so they didn’t have to do thr JP themselves?

Wow. I’m not against mesmers portaling people up if they’re already there, but asking mesmers to do the JP just for you is a whole new low

Vayne.8563:

Of course not. But then it would leave my post looking sort of silly, me saying people want to pretend to be Frodo. When I first read Lord of the Rings (a looooooong time ago), he made quite the impression on me. I’ve grown up a lot now.

Now I just want to be treebeard.

Well I would guess the amount of players who’ve read LoTR would be less than those who’ve just watched the movie, which is the misrepresentation the joke is based on, so I think most players would be making a similar assumption

Clark Skinner.4902:

With the significant size of the player base who dislike or hate jumping puzzles,

Source?

Because quite honestly it’s the first time I’ve seen an overflow server since launch.

Vayne.8563:

Dedlaw.9130:

Vayne.8563:

PvE’ers are trying to be like Frodo

A whimpering weakling who constantly needs to be babysitted?

I guess you didn’t read the book.

Actually I have. Does a joke need to be an accurate representation of the truth?

Goku ’s just showing of again

Vayne.8563:

PvE’ers are trying to be like Frodo

A whimpering weakling who constantly needs to be babysitted?

Dawdler.8521:

a crazy Engineer running around yelling “FIRE HAHA FIRE HAHAHAHA FIRE FIRE HAHAHA!!!” all the time.

But….but….it’s so much fun….

/sadface

I’ve had some random bugs where I would end up only halfway to the point I was supposed to jump to, left me somewhat annoyed. But what drove me up the wall was the jump right by the WP at the top. When facing the ship there is a platform off to you’re right that requires you to jump using 3. No matter if I jump using mouse placement or the auto-targeting towards the pillar, it always adds a bounce that sends me plummeting towards my death. Don’t know if it’s an Asura bug, but I’ve seen other races do it with no problem

I’m at 37 Sky Crystals, talked to all the NPCs, done 4 of the kites hidden in JPs and ran I think 5 races (didn’t win any though :/) and it took me about 2 hours. Cut that in half so it’s just an hour a day, and I’ll still finish most of the achievements in less than a week (I’ve yet to try the drinking bouts mini-game).

Agreed some of the previous achievements (kill 250 pirates that only spawn 2/3 every few minutes?) took way too long and had you either camping one spot or running from A-B-C over and over, and I don’t plan on completing them, but this latest batch of achievements is anything but farming. Most fun I’ve had outside of WvW in months

Uhm….what?

///15char

Agreed. Gray them out when they are dead

My vote also goes for the new one. Much improved

Dan.2940:

Dedlaw.9130:

Elshagan.6342:

On the other hand you ask for common courtesy in PvP? PvP is PvP, you go in n you might die. Simple as that.

Yes, common courtesy. As I said, just because they have the “Invader” name tag does not mean you have to be a kitten to them. About 2 weeks ago about 20 BG and SoR had an unofficial truce in OS as both sides helped friends and guildies through while fighting off the JQ campers at the top. JQ ended up camping the entrance so we had to stealth the last few stragglers past them, then left them again to their camping.

20min of not being under obligation to kill anything red and everyone got what they wanted.

Do you expect everyone to share the same thinking? In a PvP designed Jump puzzle, some may just go for the loot and achievements and avoid combat, but some find enjoyment in killing others. You go into the map fully knowing that everyone is hostile, don’t expect common courtesy when some enemies only see you as a loot bag.

No, I don’t expect everyone to think like that. It was the first time since launch that I saw that kind of co-operation.

So I’m not expecting everyone to sit around and hold hands singing kumbaya. I’m just hoping players realize they don’t need to be kittens towards other players just wanting to get the achievement. Or maybe I’m just naive for thinking everyone has a bit of decency in them

Nekroseth.5186:

Dedlaw.9130:

insaneseagull.7063:

They did actually state it? O.o If so,could you post a link? This is seriously the only thing keeping me from playing an Engi >_<

Link is a few posts up.

Like half of the Engineer forum posts?

What?

Elshagan.6342:

On the other hand you ask for common courtesy in PvP? PvP is PvP, you go in n you might die. Simple as that.

Yes, common courtesy. As I said, just because they have the “Invader” name tag does not mean you have to be a kitten to them. About 2 weeks ago about 20 BG and SoR had an unofficial truce in OS as both sides helped friends and guildies through while fighting off the JQ campers at the top. JQ ended up camping the entrance so we had to stealth the last few stragglers past them, then left them again to their camping.

20min of not being under obligation to kill anything red and everyone got what they wanted.

I’m all for it as long as the NPC’s dying no longer fail the events.

If NPCs can be downed without the event failing I say BRING IT ON!

It’s like SB in Queensdale. The pre-events would start up, but only 3 or 4 people will actually go do them to trigger the SB’s spawn. Yet there will be 50 people at the spawn point not lifting a finger and just waiting for SB to pop up so they can claim the reward.

What makes it worse is that if you are doing the pre-events, the horde at SB spawn will blow through him so quickly you will be lucky if you get there in time to get a few hits in

MinorDetail.9204:

I don’t want to start the whole ’it’s you card’, you are right I agree with that. But if people are becoming miserable from getting killed within a pvp jumping puzzle, isn’t that kinda their own problem?

Don’t get me wrong I get the frustration, I have screamed on TS alot of times during OS, especially when it wasn’t a seperate area and you had to walk all the way back to find the keep not in your factions control. But once I noticed it was getting the better of me I left and came back at a different time or date to finish it off with a fresh mind.

So many things to-do within the game that gives people enjoyment and if 1 lowsy achievement, that probably isn’t either needed or can be skipped without getting the full meta achievement, can ruin your day by getting killed within a, and hence the word, PVP Jumping Puzzle I would second your thoughts and maybe leave the whole achievement for what it is?

@Dedlaw same as the message I said before, but maybe this is fun for someone within a game. Who are you to decide they ‘want’ to make people feel miserable, maybe they are there cause they got ganked and it’s a stress relief? So many factors in play, which none of us can judge anyone for.

If the achievements were not limited-time only, I’d be more inclined to agree with the idea that it’s the player seeking it’s fault. Take the standard JP achievment. You have all the time in the world to complete it, so if you walk in and get attacked, you just leave. No rush.

As it stands, the JP is more rive with campers than it has been in months due to the time-limit set on achievements. Get it or lose out, and so unskilled players are led to slaughter. There can be several factors contributing as to why they are feeling forced to endure PvP even though they might not wish to.

And don’t misunderstand me, I’m not generalizing against everyone that kills in OS. As I said I’ve done it myself when needed. I in no way decided that they all “want” to make players miserable. Elshagan blatantly admitted to it, hence my focus on him.

Elshagan.6342:

Now despite what my claims where who are you to tell me who’s a PvE’r or not when everyone basically has the same label on them? If you attack back you agree to PvP n I’ll enjoy killing you. If you don’t than there’s no fun in killing you. I’ve seen hardcore PvP’rs back out of fights n not fight back inside of OS. So just cause someone doesn’t fight back doesn’t make them a PvE’er.

So if you’re in there at same time I am n fight back? Well guess what I’ll do my best to kill you cause in my eyes be you a PvE’er or a PvP’er you’ll only be a “Server name” Invader or Assaulter or whatever.

“if you attack back” implies your attacking me first, so if I fight back I’m fare game, If I don’t I’m a free kill?

And I never attempted to tell you who is PvE and who is PvP. I’m not the one that labeled them. I made it clear that I don’t think PvP inside OS is wrong, I do it myself when necessary. What I dislike about you is your self-proclaimed enjoyment derived from making other people miserable, that you would drive people to rage-quitting merely for your own amusement.

Sure, every player from another server just shows up as “server name Invader”. That does not mean you are under an obligation to be a kitten towards them. But I guess common courtesy is a rare thing these days

MinorDetail.9204:

Dedlaw.9130:

My problem is with people like him that do it purely out of spitefulness and taking pleasure out of other people’s suffering. I do not and never will condone that.

Isn’t that what PvP is essentially about anyways? Even in sPvP or WvW, people like to kill off people. And even if Elshagan would do it out of spite, there are 10’s of others within the OS that would eat him raw for breakfast. Just don’t expect to do it solo if you have anyone in there like Elshagan.

The difference between camping OS and just about every other form of PvP in the game is that you are denying other players access to something that has no consequence for you.

Once per day badges and blueprints? It’s ten times easier just to earn them through regular WvW.

You gain nothing by camping other than the enjoyment out of of making other people miserable. And that is not what any form of PvP is suppose to be about

MinorDetail.9204:

Dedlaw.9130:

MinorDetail.9204:

Fact to the matter is, Pvp’ers, like Elshagan said, are forced to PvE if they want to participate in the new content.

The difference being the PvE’ers don’t try and kill him when he does

In one of his messages he did say he would leave them alone. But rather after some arguments on the forums he made it his new goal. I do PvP within Obsidium Sanctum too, but only when threatened or attacked first. But once I do have to attack, anyone in sight at that point in time is dead. It’s the way it works in WvW or PvP, you have to look out for yourself.

And if PvE’ers don’t fight back, ofcourse they don’t stand a chance. See the story below, everyone within Obsidium Sanctum, 1v1 as equal chances of winning. So mostly ‘griefing’ is out of the picture already, unless the guys is camping you on purpose, and only you.

Oh and, I actually got killed once by a new player to WvW cause he thought I was gonna attack him. So don’t go and say this is all griefers, sometimes it might even be new people defending themselves since they can’t see or hear what your intentions are. (I got killed by being pushed off a rock xD lol never forget that epic moment)

Yes, in a later message he said he would not attack unless attacked first, bu in his initial post he made it perfectly clear he what his intentions were -

Until the day I do you PvE’rs can just keep quiet n endure the fact that I’ll enjoy killing every single one of you as you struggle in Obsidian Sanctum. ^^

New life Goal: Kill PvE’rs in Obsidian Sanctum enough so they Rage Quit.

So honestly I don’t care what his subsequent claims are. He made it clear he enjoys making others miserable so I see no reason to even try and see it from his point of view.

As for PvPing inside OS, I have no issue with it. I’ve done it myself, helping friends/guildies through. If players let us be, we let them be. More often than not we would have to push through campers to get it done. If you are forced into it, so be it. It’s WvW after all.

My problem is with people like him that do it purely out of spitefulness and taking pleasure out of other people’s suffering. I do not and never will condone that.

MinorDetail.9204:

Fact to the matter is, Pvp’ers, like Elshagan said, are forced to PvE if they want to participate in the new content.

The difference being the PvE’ers don’t try and kill him when he does

Elshagan.6342:

Until the day I do you PvE’rs can just keep quiet n endure the fact that I’ll enjoy killing every single one of you as you struggle in Obsidian Sanctum. ^^

New life Goal: Kill PvE’rs in Obsidian Sanctum enough so they Rage Quit.

Please oh please tell me you are on JQ or SoR?

Because I will take great pleasure in putting much boot up your kitten when we help our friends and guildies through OS.

Doing something on purpose with no reason other than to make players want to quit? You and people like you are what is wrong with this community

Good news, the next set of achievements sends you right back into the slaughterhou…I mean back into Obsidian Sanctum!

TheAnythinger.8160:

I understand the aggro system in game. I just don’t understand why Gaurdians don’t have a signet that generates threat such as the paladins do in WoW. They’re Guardians after all, but the way the aggro works in this game, anyone doing more damage then the Guardian takes aggro. The aggro in PvE in this game would be a lot better if one of their signets generated threat, that way the squishy dpsers don’t get two shot by a skill they can’t dodge. All I’m saying is that the Gaurdians need more tanking ability, and the aggro system needs to be better.

Because doing that reverts GW2 to the standard trinity instead of it’s improvised trinity.

Azjenco.9425:

Afya.5842:

Which one do you prefer?

1)
Police: Why did you stab him with a sword?
Kid: Because it brings flashy sparkles

2)
Police: Why did you stab him with a sword?
Kid: Because it splashes blood

I’ll go with sparkles.

Or…
3)
Police: Why did you stab him with a sword?
Kid: Because I have some severe issues in my head, so I probably need to be locked up and receive professional help.

I’ll go with that one.

4)
Police: Why did you stab him with a sword?
Kid: ~stabs police with sword~

insaneseagull.7063:

They did actually state it? O.o If so,could you post a link? This is seriously the only thing keeping me from playing an Engi >_<

Link is a few posts up.

Just going to borrow this from one of the other threads:

http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/imported_images/i.lolzer.com/no-no-no-HELL-NO.gif

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Dedlaw.9130:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

IF there was no gem to gold feature

Big “if” right there.

There IS a gem store, so anyone can have access to it, hence not P2W

Oh I know it’s not P2W in the least. I was just clarifying and giving an example. As you can see from my first post, I don’t agree with the OP.

Ah, my mistake. Completely misunderstood your point ^^

Mungrul.9358:

I place mesmer portals on event chests. Would this get me reported under “Griefing”?

Depends on how creative you are with the exit portal

SpyderArachnid.5619:

IF there was no gem to gold feature

Big “if” right there.

There IS a gem store, so anyone can have access to it, hence not P2W

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Ursan.7846:

Well, are Superior Runes of Divinity P2W then? It’s incredibly expensive, and provides an all-around stat boost comparable to this food buff.

You don’t buy Runes from the gem store do you? No. So thus, they are not P2W. P2W means you are paying real money to gain an advantage over other players that don’t pay real money.

Cash -> Gems -> Gold -> Runes

A bit more round-about but still same effect

Edit – although by that same argument Gold -> Gems -> Coffers -> Food.
Dear god, everyone can p2w! All us broke people are doomed! Doomed I tell you! DOOMED!
~puts on tin-foil hat &runs away~

Well I would like to re-visit some of my previous Personal Story missions without having to lick Trahearne’s boots all over again

Sorry, I’m new to this pay2win thing.

Is this the part where I’m suppose to go cry in the corner because my char is now useless without that food and will never be viable without it, much less able to compete against others that DO use it?

Just go afk for a 5minutes. Grab a drink, take a leak, etc.

When you get back, they’ll most likely be gone. Nothing spoils a troll’s fun like being ignored

As a Rifle Engi I also love my Jump Shot for crossing gaps.

I don’t see why Blink or even Infiltrator’s Arrow can’t cross gaps

I would be happy to just have it made account bound like laurels. I’m often switching to my older chars just to drain there little bits of karma every time I want to buy something with it. Would be more simple to just have it all in one spot

In any size group you cant go wrong with a Guardian

StinVec.3621:

I previously had not realized the similarity…
sigh
I almost made it the entire event without being informed of this. And now it’ll be stuck in my head. Almost don’t want to log in until tomorrow when the music changes back to normal or to something different for the new event.

This.

Sound off at log-in from now on

Engi with a over-charged rail-gun ftw. Long-range energy beam artillery to replace mortar

Well Colin Johanson did say they were planning on addressing the issue “in the future” – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Problems-with-Engineers-and-Legendaries/page/3

….2 months ago.

Don’t hold your breath fellow hobos.
Or maybe we should. Being hobos and all, we kinda smell.

dominik.9721:

Then the skill eviscerate is that skill we got shown in the warrior skill video of gw2

You mean the demo videos that were made even before Beta and were only made as teasers to show what combat would be like? THAT is what you want to use as basis for balancing?

deathTouch.9706:

1) Your opinion on whether it is potentially profitable or not is irrelevant. What does matter are the intentions of the publishers of the show and potential investors. If people are offered money to do something that they would otherwise be doing for free, they choose money.

Ironic, since your opinion on what it could be is irrelevant to what it is.

What it is, is volunteers working together with Anet to give a fan-service for sPvP players. What you think they could or should do is your opinion, and I see no need for them to change their target audience nor their content just because you think they should

Don’t like their content? Do it better yourself.
Don’t like their topic? Do it better yourself.
Don’t want to do it yourself? Pipe the kitten down

Your assumptions on the motives and/or intentions driving the volunteers and/or Anet for doing this is just that – assumptions.

There was an official comment on that a few days ago – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Should-Arena-Net-Release-new-WvW-Maps/first

In which case mods should just create a sticky topic for players to rant in

butch.8136:

Aren’t there? There is kegbrawl (permanent), dragon ball (temporary), the moa racing (permanent), and few others coming.

Crab toss as well.

One was at launch, one is a large kama sink. That leaves 2 viable games (albeit temporary games) since launch. I think there’s a lot more needed for it to be title-worthy

Lucyfer.9517:

Dedlaw.9130:

Do you really need a ton of blood & guts to get your kick out of this game?

YES! And nudity while we’re at it!

You seriously need to get laid if you get kicks out of nudity in a game

By definition, this would require that there actually BE mini-games, wouldn’t it?

Bubi.7942:

2nd part:
- I made clear in the analogy, that the 2 people recieve the same amount of payment for their supposed work. The injustice here is in the eye of the ‘good guy’. And if we actually going to go into a bit of economics, it’s actually inflating the in-game market (which I don’t really care about).

The problem with your analogy is that you are comparing a scenario where you are supposed to have responsibility to a scenario where you just have to have fun. Yes, in a work environment you are expected to pull your weight. If somebody does not, there is a problem.

The same does not apply for a game. You are under no obligation to do it the hard or easy way. It’s a choice. Don’t want to use the portal? Fine, go ahead and complete the JP the way you want to. Don’t want to do the JP? Feel free to use the portal. If people start with the “I did it the hard way so others should too” mentality, you will eventually start unraveling some of the core mechanics that make the game social.
Didn’t do the entire event from start to finish? No reward for you.
Didn’t kill the monster all by yourself? No reward for you.
Etc, etc.

Bubi.7942:

But at this point, I am fed up with it. I am fed up with seeing 30+ people clustered at the bottom of the JP just waiting for the portal to appear.

Honestly, if you don’t want to do it – don’t You are no more under obligation to spend all your time portaling people up than any of them are under the obligation to stop and help with every single event they encounter. It’s a choice. Don’t want to do it? Don’t.

It’s all just a game after all, not a job