@bradderzh That’s right, congrats on the new tag!
I am personally not against smaller guild claiming as long as they can release the claim if it is necessary. I think that was the biggest issue the alliance had. Not that people without buff claimed in general, but that they claimed major point structures without them making them harder to defend. And yeah, I have a little gold Kard, just a little.
I understand that a well set up tower can stifle a zerg, I have had my guild manning my layouts for over 14 hours in a tower, and barely lose siege, let alone the tower. I usually throw the set up I know works after I cap a point, but that’s how I do things, and different Commanders will do them differently. It gets expensive constantly dropping siege, trust me. I guess you can’t always expect it to happen and players outside the alliance may have to occasionally step up and splurge on that 6 silver arrow cart. Yes, if it is my cap, expect me to greatly contribute to the siege and the layout, but you can’t always rely on the person commanding to do that.
@ Kardiamond Honestly it has been discussed and won’t happen again. I have been working with the alliance pretty steadily since this match up started, and so far all I have seen has been clean play. Of course I don’t condone or participate in exploits, hacks, or questionable tactics.
@Kardiamond Like I said before, where and when. In EB yesterday there was an inordinate amount of pressure from NSP, using the larger groups to pressure the south needed to happen in order to redirect enemy focus. Sometimes we need to decide if it is better to hold a position that is not upgraded or pressure an enemy position that is, which can in turn allow us to fortify that same position later. Are they always the right decisions and does everyone always agree? No, but those decisions need to be made on a regular basis, and we learn from them.
I think defense comes down to where and when. Something we still need to work on. Being able to have part of the main force break off and repel an assault while still pushing is definitely something we need to develop.
This has been a really fun match up over all, and it seems that NSP has slightly better around the clock coverage, but during AR prime time we have really been bringing some decent numbers to the field. I really have to thank the people that put up with me on AR when I actually do turn my tag on. Thanks again AR, keep fighting the good fight.
I agree, they should be for defending server BL only and maybe EB, but only maybe.
So far this has been a fun match on the AR side of things. Lots of fun fights, and very little trolling on the forums too(trolls, you know who you are, remain under your bridges)! This looks like it’s going to be a very fun week.
@THuGaNoMiX I will keep that in mind, unfortunately I only have one gear and it’s forward.
@ithinkimhaunted I think that when you have people that are on BP post on the forums that they transferred from JQ or SoR or GoM it takes the guess work out. Look around the forums a little and you can discover magical things. Yes, absolutely you have had no transfers, rangers are the strongest class on the game, and dragons really do exist.
@Kardiamond Don’t laugh at my pain!
Yes, 2 minutes in PvE…it was hell.
@jkctmc We have queues on rare occasions. I was in queue a good 2 minutes at some point yesterday.
Not participating in this myself, nor do I condone it, however, was there any way by the time in the match that this occurred any chance a server other than BP was going to win? Is it right to do it, no of course not, but I would venture to guess it was probably done by people in those guild that were frustrated by the imbalance, not by people using malicious tactics to win.
I do my very best.
If it was a full server I would expect to see me somewhere in those screen shots at some point .. somewhere. Alas I do not, as I was not participating in any hijinks.
Many of the server members of BP had claimed they had received no transfers and had the same population they had always had in Wv3 repeatedly. We all know this is not the case, no matter where they came from. Even if it was from PvE and not GoM, JQ and other servers that have posted on the boards they had transferred over. I really don’t think there would be any issue with the increase in server population if BP had just been honest about it from the start. You have more Wv3 population now, you didn’t 6 weeks ago. Do you belong in the tier you are in? No, clearly you should be in a tier with higher population and more coverage in time slots.But does this make BP a “better server with more skilled players”? Heck no. BP currently does not belong in it’s current tier and everyone knows that, except maybe some BP players that have bought into the “we have the same numbers we always have had” nonsense.
I can’t speak on behalf of wherever the screen shots are taken, I was doing my usual following the BP zerg and recapping supply I always do, supply camps don’t cap themselves.
“Edit: @ Kardia – what do you think about all this?”- considering he is on AR and must also be cheating, as we all are doing this, I’m sure he must be a-ok with it.
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@Plok I can assure you that just because you may have had a smaller group running around, that was far from the only BP presence in AR BL. The group that sieged up at Gods was hardly 6 people. On top of that was a decent amount of SF. Why so upset AR was holding it’s BL?
@GSSBlunaspike I never “called you out” I just stated that the outmanned buff was up and I know it was because I was there, Veloka didn’t have an auto treb hitting the you guys, that was me. I had the outmanned the whole time I was in EB messing around. It’s also how I know that the golems were damaged prior to the other people grabbing them, I did a 4 man with 3 golems at Anz and Mendons prior to dropping them at spawn. Being there and being aware that the outmanned was up the entire time isn’t calling you out, I promise. People tend to misread and take information out of context in a text based media, and I know that competition tends to bring out some interesting things in people. No harm no foul.
@GSS You do understand how outmanned works and the bugs therein right? I guess if you never have it it can be difficult to understand after an enemy is killed it often removes the buff until you leave the zone and come back. I realize however your pride will not allow you to believe someone when they tell you, we had the outmanned on, that equates to 4x the enemy number. I’m not here to argue the facts, because you fail to see anything but what you are willing to. It is my honest wish though that one day you will mature and understand that I am not trying to hurt your pride, I’m just relaying my point of view.
@tas Was actually fun for me to do the set up on that one. I started having folks run supply when the wall was under 30% because you had all moved south and we sent a strike to take out the treb. Amazing what you can get done with no commander. I think a large portion of the AR people there were still amazed that we held it, you had the man power, but we had the high ground. Now if I could just figure out a way to get more people down with defense.
There were a few “Cliffside will not be taken” messages in chat. Was a good time.
Kard, I know you’re a straight up player, I also know how fast 12 golems can take down a reinforced door. 5 is a little slow for my tastes. And I hate hackers and go out of my way to report them. Not sure why Xan is painting the server with such a broad brush. I don’t hack, but then again I don’t need to.
The third poster in this thread pretty much reveals the mystery early on. 20-25 minutes messing around on siege and not watching your doors and you get over run? Lack of situational awareness on your part is not hacking on their part.
@wildmanfrost Funny you say it’s not AR vs NPC, considering it sure seems like a whole lot of BP vs NPC.
PS After we set up and fortified Cliffside no matter what you threw at it you guys couldn’t take it. AR BL did enjoy the many many failed attempts though. Makes me wonder how many players were there when your server flipped it, I’m betting 0.
Honestly I do treat my server mates with as much respect as I can. I teach new people about Wv3, but I do not have a fancy blue icon above my head. The zerg train mentality has kept me from getting it.
@GSSBlunaspike Maybe if he had actually targeted someone that had the outmanned buff. I was there, it was on. That’s 4 times the number when it pops. Keep telling yourself that it’s not. There were 3 golems that had been used on 2 towers prior to that, two that were about half dead because some people don’t know they can’t tank oil. Congrats on killing them after they had already served their purpose though.
And even with that unorganized lot, you failed to mention they still got the outer down is clever on your part. I was in the tower before it was zerged right across the way, the golems were my build, and I was done with them.
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@GSSBlunaspike I will refer you to my constant outmanned buff as a response.
@DKz Honestly, if he hadn’t run, he wouldn’t have survived. Been pretty on point today. And I am starting to get worn down, there are some really decent people on AR, but I have been fighting so long and hard for the server, I’m starting to run out of fuel.
@Atomic He wouldn’t have been able to run if I was on the ranger, too many snares and control options on the class. As a level 80 coming across an up arrow of any class, you just aren’t walking away and I am certainly not going to be running for help. The guy was clearly a glass build though, health was dropping pretty steadily and my 31 is geared in blues.
Oh sorry, he must have been a support build that helps by buffing and healing.
@GSSBlunaspike Well aware that Wv3 is mass warfare. I play a ranger, and if you ever fought me you would know it’s not a glass build, and neither was the level 31 your brave BP player that ran from(maybe he thought the green arrow by the name meant I was above 80). I get it, you guys know you can’t win on even terms, I’d run too if I was one of your players and saw a solo up arrow character coming towards me.
The one thing I have noticed about BP players in general is they lack heart, they claim superiority, when the only superiority I have seen so far is the ability to field players. The one thing you fail to realize is that Wv3 isn’t about badges, or 1 v 1 or 100 v 100, it’s a land grab game relying on siege warfare. If your soldiers are mostly cowards, then it will ring volumes in larger scale wars.
You could have the worst built level 2 character on a well placed arrow cart or balista and that player can be the absolute difference between winning and losing an engagement.
While fighting at AR BL bay, I noticed that your server doesn’t even understand the basic concepts of flanking(no you don’t move slightly to the left where everyone in the entire field of battle can see you and rush in with double the numbers, that’s not exactly what flanking is), which failed multiple times and the only way your server mates stopped the assault was by throwing more and more meat into the grinder. That’s a tactic I suppose, just not one that’s going to work out when you have players that are not willing to face an equal number of opponents.
I have to admit that I am a little disappointed in AR right now. Was just in EB and we had 2, yes 2 people in there. This is not the same AR I am used to. I guess that is the state of AR Wv3 right now. That being said, it was funny that the true 80 geared BP Guardian ran from my ungeared lvl 31 reroll like a frightened little girl and had to get back up to fight me. I guess that’s the state of BP Wv3.
@Dimok I don’t think many AR players look too kindly on people openly hacking. I do, however, find it insanely funny that one of the GoM players that was exploiting the cliffs above Veloka earlier is in the screen shot that you took.
Ah Plok, I have missed you! Funny, I think you miss us too. More or less, you see as many BP players posting on this thread as you do on your match up thread, maybe even more. Not really the point, told you we would be seeing you because we missed you last thread. I would say it’s one of the great rivalries of GW2 Wv3, and I am looking forward to seeing you guys again!
@Kardiamond You and I seem to be bigger fans of a full scale war. This is by no means meant to offend anyone on either of the other servers, you guys bring it when you have manpower, no question. My guild usually runs defense, and feel we are barely needed this match up. We take time in optimising siege placement, and pride in our defense strategy. You run into a tower with a little red golem logo, expect a drawn out fight. It’s what we do, just not this match. I have been fighting the urge to switch servers because I know next round is going to be an uphill battle, and that’s what I’m used to and what I enjoy most.
I don’t need to have any more than me. Funny. Had a great 1 v 1 against a D/D ele in dredges, good fight. Not sure I “need” anyone to take out another player. Oh you mean they need to have more than one to take out three, oddly, also not the case.
I haven’t fought many ET, so I can’t comment on the state of their Wv3, but I can say that the GoM I have fought are excellent players, and I respect that they continued to come out even when the odds looked overwhelming. The only thing I noticed was the predictability of the points they were taking in EB, granted it is a small map, but changing direction in the face of a zerg does make it a little easier.
I will say this, as far as the GoM spawn in EB, you get ported out at the top of the stairs. Was doing that for a good part of last night. As far as 3 GoM members dropping down from the cliff into Veloka, that may be a little more of an exploit than suicide runs into a spawn, however, I submitted those screen shots to A-Net like you are supposed to.
I have said it before, and I will say it again, we definitely have more players in Wv3 than we have had before, but that being said, they are actually taking and upgrading points too.
Yeah, this is exactly why I didn’t release the 40 golem zerg. No way I would do that to ET or GoM. Much respect for servers that are taking hits. AR has been getting beat on for a long time.
i can say nothing but ‘playing the victim’ isn’t really ….accurate. we’ve been against you for a month now, i knowwhy you have the numbers, so do you. your population in wvw has tripled, denying that would just be lying. enjoy your week. it’s like your server suddenly enjoys wvw. if you don’t mind, i’d rather just keep my 40 point gain and do without your condescending attitude, thanks.
Not sure what you find condescending in the post. I have been playing on AR in Wv3 since release, and we have more people in there now then we ever have. Just because I don’t see the need to overkill doesn’t mean I am feigning superiority, I just see no point in doing it.
Yeah, this is exactly why I didn’t release the 40 golem zerg. No way I would do that to ET or GoM. Much respect for servers that are taking hits. AR has been getting beat on for a long time.
Should at least be fun to see. AR was focused on getting points set up and fortified, I didn’t want to detract from day one of the new match up. Doing larger scale events tends to pull focus away from what guilds/groups are doing, and yesterday didn’t feel like good timing. Hopefully I can escape work and see what is going on.
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That’s why I want to do it. We are on the same page. GoM and ET, you guys may want to run some video cap on the ready the next day or two.
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I wanted to apologize to my AR team members. The event I was planning on doing yesterday was postponed due to the initial score getting a bit out of hand and getting out of work late. Still planning on it, just didn’t seem like the right time. Hopefully I can get back on the battlefield and make it happen.
I guess I would have just waited until the wall or door was down first. No one was there, would have been a quick grab for your team. I guess the difference is I would have tried to make points for my server.
Well, I don’t know how feasible it is to do something like this, but I wanted to put it out there.
So, I was thinking, you guys are going to be moving up a tier next round, and we have built some fairly fierce rivalry, however I would love to be able to send you guys off properly. Not sure how we can accomplish it, or what exactly it entails, but if we could work out a time and place for one last massive battle to send you on your way, I would be happy to try and coordinate it with you guys. No walls, no rules, one last huge open area battle. Would be cool if GoM got on board too. Let me know if BP, GoM and of course my brothers and sisters on AR are willing.
@Plok I agree, but I think the point is people will, and will continue to get away with glitching terrain to get passed gates. The people that get caught should be dealt with accordingly. That being said, you can only tell the ones you see doing it that it’s wrong and report it, hopefully ss it as well. Doesn’t seem to do much good. I can promise though, I will not glitch terrain or portal anyone in with my ranger ever.
I hope BP does well in next weeks match up, and doesn’t have a mass exodus if they do not, because at the rate HoD and ET are falling AR may wind up in that tier week after next, and I am not sure if AR is prepared for that yet. If it does happen though, it’s only because we missed you terribly.
OK, enough with the negativity. People are going to do what they are going to do, can’t expect to stop them.
That being said, the most fun thing I did this round was a 3 man cap of Bay in AR BL yesterday afternoon. Props to the Warrior and Guardian that share the same “let’s try it” attitude.
@Dark Aidget LOL I’m lvl 80 and I play too much. Some people complain about the out manned buff being bad, but I do take full advantage of it (I’ve had exotics drop of road guards). Could have bought commander tag, but really never saw the point in it. As a Wv3 player, all I really do is defense, and after 8-10 hours in one spot, you start getting a little stir crazy and my insanity has devolved into golem nights on AR.