Guild Wars 2

@Wispy “The point I am trying to make here is that what has been happening today at BP lowlands keep is a pre-meditated sanctioned exploit from the entirety of the AR server that was on at the time, it wasn’t just a couple people no one likes. AR even spent the time to build golems for it,”

Those are probably some of the golems I build. I make 15 to 20 a day to let people play around in them. Where they go after they are built doesn’t really matter much to me. People get to use them that never have, and I was trying to draw a few people into our Wv3 that haven’t been in it before. If people are exploiting terrain, I don’t think all of AR sanctions it. I don’t see any of my guildies in the pictures, guild tag [LPC]. However, if it was premeditated and sanctioned, why didn’t they pick a better target? That keep is far too open to try and run golems through, and why the heck didn’t they just hit the water gate with 4 golems to keep the map from flagging? Sorry, can’t see this as being a very coordinated attack, but I will be more cautious about who pilots the golems I build in the future.

BP complaining about bypassing terrain is funny considering that there have been picture posted from previous matches of BP doing exactly that. As far as saying AR doesn’t upgrade or defend or mesmer sweep that’s hardly true. All my guild does is upgrade areas and defend. Today we picked Durios, knew it was going to be a challenging location, but held it for over 8 hours. We were happy that we held it that long.

@Lightsbane I was the only person there at the time, no zerg, just me and a group of 5 GoM there. Why would they make taking a point harder for themselves is the question. If BP holds a tower, and 1 AR is hitting it with a catapult, why would anyone with half a brain take out the one thing that’s doing damage to a common enemy. Point is, this GoM group was defending a BP held tower. Red armor defending Green towers makes very little sense.

I know we are in a 3 way battle, but why would {NEX} from GoM stop one person on AR from hitting a BP target? You guys working for BP? Would have been a lot smarter to let me take the door/wall down on the tower and take it yourself then to do everything you could to get to me and stop me from hitting the walls.

Hadan, I would agree that the matches have been fun, however the facts are that up until a few weeks ago BPs forces were nearly nonexistent, and now your server has the ability to out man both servers. You have been saying you haven’t noticed any transfers, fine, in the same sentence you say you have a higher than normal population. Where do you think they came from? I don’t really care if you out number both servers, hardly will stop the real Wv3 players from coming in and beating on the players BP has that need to huddle in a zerg to survive. No, not saying all, but honestly there are a lot more than there were, and it helps my badge count. Heck, I don’t mind if you add even more of these kinds of players, they scatter like confused insects when the normal cookie cutter tactics they are running fail enough times. BPs core is still solid, but some of the additions are sometimes laughable. Not saying that’s not on all the servers, but then again I’m insulated from most of that due to only running solo or in guild groups. I wish you guys the best if you move up next week, because as much as I like you guys, I’m sick of seeing you.

Take a break?? .. the only correct answer is never.

Fact is my guild rarely loses a tower with a 5 man defense regardless of numbers. Usually the only time we lose one is during our upgrade process. After that tower if upgraded and holds 700 supply, I don’t care how many people are attacking, it’s going to be a long siege. I notice very few people are willing to invest the time or money to take it and generally leave. In those cases, the zerg only wins when it’s willing to stay for the long haul.

1 entrance on a tower, please return to your zerg.

I have tried to introduce my guild to Wv3 the right way, all we do is defend and upgrade. If a supply camp gets flipped one of my members will almost immediately double supply and escort yaks until we can add guards. If anyone came across ogrewatch last round when it was upgraded, you probably noticed there was quite a bit of defensive siege there. I make sure we don’t call locations, but link them in the chat, it makes it much easier for new Wv3 players to know exactly where we are calling out an attack to. My guild isn’t big, but they fight like lions when we are defending our tower of choice. We don’t lead the server or follow the zergs, we just try to set a good example as to how a defense should be done.

@Eviator Well, we like having you guys here. You are always welcome to hang out in 7 with us, made the matches a lot more interesting.

I hope that this week is full of fair fights, and limited exploits, honestly I don’t think you can stop them all. If BP does well, they will move up a tier after this week. Good for them, but I really think a lot of them are in serious denial if they think that they are out manned or fighting 2 vs 1 a lot. However, I do look forward to the thread if/when they do move up, tiers above this actually do have numbers. Ask any GoM player that got to run through those ranks, it’s a super fun time from what I hear.

I always wonder why some forum posters clearly don’t read posts especially when they quote them.

Didn’t someone from GoM say something about working with BP to give us no points this week? Wonder how that worked out for them.

@Nsidiously As part of the later crew on AR, totally agree we have a lot more presence at those hours. Some of us are literally running all over the map when there are call outs. I tend to do a lot of defending after we take an objective, but it’s tough being in 3 or more places at once. Most people on AR probably have no idea who I am, not a commander, nor would I want to be. My guild knows me and we do pretty decent 3 – 4 man defense on a tower. More than one zerg has been hit by vines-spike trap-barrage-poison arrows to know I’m at least irritating enough to leave alone, but that’s about it. I have run into some very good and some terrible players from all the servers we have been matched with, and so far, this match up has been the most fun, regardless of who has more or less, zergs or anything else.

Well, a few things can key you into if someone is lower level and not a “fully decked out level 80”. The gear someone has is a pretty good indicator of approximate level, and of course the large green arrow by the name is a give away too.

You have to admit, all three servers have people that complain about zergs, I try not to complain about the issue. Your group has considerably more players in it, good for you.

Everyone in the match up knew this was going to be a different week because of the holiday and events. I haven’t seen anyone from AR say that we are winning due to superior strategy and skill (by the way I still laugh when I see that one). Most of the AR population is doing exactly what I always see them doing, but with the changes in numbers over current events, it just so happens we somehow got into the lead. You should have seen map chat when it happened, people were in shock that we managed to edge out ahead.

Does this mean the AR population thinks this is a sure thing? No. We have played GoM for a little while now, and BP for forever it seems. We are all aware that you have the numbers and ability required to come out on top, and I think that’s what makes our match ups as dynamic as they have been.

I for one have been rolled over by 30+ players solo more times than I count, and I don’t run to the forums and complain about it, it’s part of Wv3 that isn’t going to change in it’s current state.

That being said, I have had some really great fights with both GoM and BP over the last several weeks, and look forward to more.

Oh and AR is winning due to superior strategy and more skilled players.

Oh so you mean zerging like this … yeah just because you don’t see smaller groups, doesn’t mean they aren’t out there. Newsflash all three servers do it. Consider yourself in the loop.

Funny. I know for most of the day in EB we have been outmanned, and still were holding our own for most of the day there. Don’t really know whats going on in the BL’s. Running a few 5 man tower defenses out there. Definitely a zerg taking SM, but then again, there were 3 different colored “zergs” in that castle.

Why all the fighting?? So, someone that is new to the server wants to interject a little advice. Always welcome to hear an opinion, different points of view are always going to be there. And yes, there absolutely are people on AR that have no idea what they are doing in Wv3. Conversely there are also some people that are actually pretty darn good at it. I am sure that the OP is well aware of the history of Wv3 on AR and is more than qualified to comment on it (ie the initial loss of MVP, then TFO and finally ANV, the 3 large Wv3 guilds on the server at release) and from that the rebuilding and emergence of a few smaller guilds that popped up to pick up the slack. That AR does not have a large Wv3 population overall due to multiple guild transfers, clearly they are an authority on that. Yes AR could use more organization overall, no question. SoS does what they can do, I have played a little with them in the past, they are a good group, but the reality of the situation is most of our Wv3 community are PuGs, small guild groups, etc, that all tend to band together in little zergs and play follow the leader, even when the leader has no idea where to go next.

That being said, I haven’t been in Wv3 in almost a week, and things may have changed since then.

@Lightsbane Isn’t that kind of an open ended insult to Borlis, saying the reason AR is in 3rd is solely because of GoM? Although, if you don’t think AR has lost several guild since release, you’d be wrong, and over all we wished them the best in their new servers(upper tier servers as well). You must really be missing the guild you posted about here.

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Not entirely sure who is upset, but I do find it fun to use your weekly argument against you. All in all I haven’t been in Wv3 much this week. Hope by the time I can drag myself back to it the match has stayed somewhat close.

Also, Borlis Pass, why are you guys playing so hard for second? Oh, and what is the deal teaming up with GoM. Why are you working with the Green server to double team Red? Attacked from both sides! Madness I tell you!!

Asking the NPC to do the playing for you and being completely useless to anything over a 4 player group are two very different things. As it stands, a well played group of a few players can easily, very easily, take a supply camp. I regularly take unguarded supply camps solo, I do not think that this is the intention of the game, but I do it due to the fact that it is extremely easy and there is no deterrent, even when they are fully upgraded, the NPC AI is bad enough that you can pull the supervisor out and kill the additional guards at your leisure or pull them outside the circle while capping as long as no one comes along.

You did not mention them, but that is exactly what it boils down to. When every other piece of siege equipment is painfully vulnerable to attack, player have to default to what works as a reasonable defensive strategy. It is easily counter able if you set catapults.

Making every piece of defensible siege equipment almost non viable is exactly what the issue is, and is why people tend to migrate towards the cata behind the door. If the walls/door acted like walls and doors, this would entirely be a non issue. Personally I am more a fan of a well placed balista or arrow cart.

As far as the initial post, A-Net has already commented on exactly what you asked.

The only issue I really have with supply camps is the upgrade system on them. For instance, if you raise the level of the guards, the guards level increases to 83(heck even the caravan guards), however the Supervisor remains 80, making the overall upgrade essentially useless aside from the NPC camp attacks. Sure it may help prevent a small (really small) or low level group from capping the camp, but otherwise it is just a cash sink for the sake of being a cash sink.

Basically, it’s “I want to be able to destroy all siege inside the castle, outside of LoS, kill people trying to repair the door, but it’s totally unfair that the cata inside can damage what is outside a keep or tower”.
As a defending party,, what is A-nets stance on ridiculous AoE destroying all siege inside a defensible position with zero line of sight, making it next to impossible if the zerg outside the keep or tower has enough mesmers/ele’s to destroy any and all defensive siege. That worries me far more than catapult splash damage, which is easily countered.

Hadan.2841:

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AR withing 1k of second place. Lets send those fair weather Wv3’s packin…

I think we knw who is playing for second at this point.

Absolutely we do, in the last match up players on BP stated they went after Anvil, because they figured they would get second, but had no idea they would get first, and are still attacking AR this match. Borlis clearly plays for second and openly admits it.

On a side not, I hear A-Net is changing the server name to Borlis Playsforsecond. Just a rumor, hasn’t been confirmed yet.

I think what is making this match up more dynamic is the clear difference in the time each server has it’s peak numbers. That being said, seems GoM is having a slightly larger showing than they had last week. I swear to god if BP pulls back I am going to transfer over there and harass you guys for a week. Of course I kid, I can’t leave AR, I love my server.

I think BP may be blue, GoM came in with a fairly high ranking compared to the other 2 servers.

Actual Anvil chat – “Where are we at?”
Anvil chat in the mind of Plok – “Quick, everyone attack Plok, he is far too mighty for just one server to take down.”
How often does a GoM or an AR complain when they get squeezed between the other 2 servers? Sounds like someone thinks a little too highly of themselves. But that’s fine because you are in fact getting double teamed Plok, and so is Anvil, and so is GoM. If there were 4 servers, gasp, you would be getting triple teamed. Imagine if there were five servers, well you do the math.

@Plok Really?? You … trolling??? There is no way Borlis or Anvil cannot be absolutely loving this weeks Wv3. It’s about time we got a third that didn’t roll through and destroy us both.

Would be an amazing sight, the Borderland Garrison flying away.

If it is specifically due to people hacking, why not just make the Borderland Garrison the “orb”. It’s far more difficult to steal a whole building and fly off the map with it.

It has been one heck of a week, and despite the usual banter, I have had such a blast all around, we have one of the closest match ups in NA, hoping we see more of the same next week. So much back and forth, I don’t think AR or BP has gotten a match-up like this since day one, and I think we all deserve it. Great job from all sides, and welcome to the bottom tiers GoM, you guys are a worthy opponent, nice having you aboard.

Yeah, it’s been an all around great match up, and next week it is going to be the same 3 servers, which is really cool. And about night capping, I wake up at 5:30 am CST and BP owns 80% of AR BL. Who exactly is night capping? That’s right, all 3 server do it when people are on to play. There is a high horse, and someone needs to descend from it.

@Fisher Anvil is full, 3 hour queue times all the time, and only for the jumping puzzle and grub.

Well, that sucks, don’t know of anything you can really do aside from reporting it, and that is reliant on if anyone actually looks at the report after it is sent in. Really needs to be addressed.

Ha, I wouldn’t worry too much about transfers all the way down here. We are a desolate no mans land. The bottom tiers are designed to build toughened, dedicated Wv3 players, I see a lot on AR and BP, as well as a lot of postings about Kain/FC/DR, they are tough competitors from what I hear. Wv3 in the bottom tiers isn’t for the weak of heart, you will lose what you fight extremely hard for, you will spend a ton of money, but the reward is amazing, epic battles, and I wouldn’t leave it for all of the top tier servers in the world.

I don’t recall the guards attacking the altar either, only each other. Not sure if they do, but yeah, not a fun bug.

Report it as “other” in game attach a screen shot, they fixed one earlier in like 10 minutes after the info was sent.

I have to admit, even with the arguing that does occur in the forum threads on occasion, there is a very healthy rivalry in the lower 2 tiers that has developed over the last several weeks. The battles that happen are always a good time, you can almost always get into any map without having to queue, there is some night presence, but you rarely see massive zergs hitting doors, and the groups you do see are not usually uncontested when they do attempt to do a PvDoor run. We see a lot more defensive siege set ups than we did the first few weeks. People are really great at responding and holding onto objectives when they are called to. There is almost no crying in /t anymore. Overall I would say that the bottom tiers are probably the best fights that you can get. The fewer numbers build a lot more camaraderie between people and guilds, and we generally have a blast in Wv3. I don’t know how other tiers are, I have always been on AR, but if they are not like this, I am glad I never moved.

I don’t know who that little 15-18 man BP group running through AR BL was last night, but nice grouping of siege equipment off Wood, I think it was 3 shots with the mortar to kill it. Nice when 1 guy can stop 3 groups from taking a tower. Maybe spread that stuff out a little. You guys were totally outnumbered there AR-1 person BP-15ish. I know you were hoping to PvDoor(well technically wall), sorry.

@Plok No, because it’s hardly the truth. The absolute truth is this, when the going gets tough your server packs it in except for a select few players. You guys fold under the pressure of unbeatable odds. Only a very select few keep on fighting. The people on Anvil Rock keep on fighting regardless of the odds. Call it painful optimism, but we keep going, no matter how hard we get zerged, or how bad the match is. That’s the truth. No one on Anvil Rock is plotting against your server, nor have they ever. We haven’t planted people on your server, or invaded your voice chats. Heck, we are happy that you guys are finally doing something. Do you know how painfully unbalanced matches have been because you guys are afraid to come out of your hidey hole for 5 of the seven days? It’s miserable, at least now we can have some decent fights.

Plok, you say the same thing week after week. You are getting double teamed. You really need to understand, in a three way match all three teams are “getting double teamed”.

AR attacks Red and Green. GoM attacks Blue and Red. BP attacks Green and Blue. Maybe you were hoping that maybe GoM and AR weren’t going to attack any of your keeps or towers this week? You guys had a great weekend, and built up a really decent lead. It isn’t anyone’s responsibility to maintain the lead but the server that has it.

I know for a fact that AR attacks both BP and GoM, and I know we repelled a huge GoM attack on Anvil keep in EB this morning. You saying that AR isn’t getting attacked by GoM is ridiculous.

What eldavo said, enemy NPC’s should not be spawning if the keep is owned by your team, THAT is a bug.

Well, I’m on AR, and you can look at it a few ways. Yes it’s demoralizing, and it sucks when people exploit, on the other hand, it’s kinda a compliment for your defenses if those players felt that was the only way they could circumvent them. Aside from a little uppity-ness, this has been mostly a pretty classy match, and I hope it continues to remain so through the week.

Like I said though, reporting them for anything/everything in game system, cool. Just don’t blame an entire server due to the actions of a few players. There are a ton of decent players/guilds on BP.

I know Borlis, kinda odd when I say it huh?

Yeah, that’s normal.

Whoa, slow down, don’t blame the server for the actions of a few, those folks are everywhere. If there are people exploiting, report them in game, don’t blame the whole server for it on the forums.

Honestly have fewer issues with thief than I do with mesmer. Thief I can deal with 90% of the time and have a decent fight, still have to have more time working out mesmer tricks to make the fights decent.