Guild Wars 2

ITs just wins/losses.

Yah, and even in the lower divisions its bad. I had a team of all solos, made up of 2 sap, 2 emerald, and me – 1 ruby tier 3, against 5 tier 4 rubies – 3 of whom were in a premade – (ele, wr, and mes). How is that fair? Guess who is going to win? Gimme a break!

I find the whole thread self serving and full of lies, just like the OP said about me. I am not lying. I am not grinding. I resent that you call me a liar. I experienced mmr hell in seas 2. It is real. It is not fun. I am not a bad player. I don’t suck.

I am 100% solo q. Um. Teammate. Not party member. Rigante I am tired of u insulting me personally.

FYI – “there ignorance” is spelled “their ignorance.” Talk about ignorance. “Their” is a word that’s been in use for years.

OMG. Do you realize u r complaining about a class that from day 1 of beta until seas 2 of spvp was useless, underpowered, and unwanted in pve, wvw and pvp. We finally get to play and r a viable class and all ppl want to do is nerf us back into our unplayable oblivion.

Threat.7450:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Threat.7450:

The real problem with MM is the same as it has always been – people are simply not as good as they think they are.

No one wants to admit that they are a Ruby level player. Within the 80% of average players that the OP mentions, about half think they are pro. They freak out and get furious when they lose matches and blame teammates.

Newsflash: if you are on a 20 game losing streak – it’s your fault. 100% your fault. Stop doing what you did for the last 20 matches and do something different. Play a different class, attack a different point, employ a different strategy… but please do something different.

Newsflash: if you are on a 20 game losing streak – you are not “legendary”. Stop assuming you belong there. I know for a fact that I do not, nor would I whine about a MM system as being the reason I lose matches.

I wish Anet would use some tough love and let the whiners know that not everyone is elite.

You know, you know nothing.

I am not a bad player. I resent you calling me a bad player. I made it to dia last season. I was stuck in emerald w/ a 100+ losing streak. It was not my fault. I may have made mistakes, I could have been a better player (at times or always), I am not pro and don’t want to be, I tried to carry others, and I tried to never be carried.

I have played gw pvp almost daily for since gw 1 beta and gw 2 beta. When I had my losing streak in emerald, everyone told me to get good and it was all my fault, and to stop blaming others. THey told me I was an emerald player and I belonged there.

When I made it to dia – what then? Was I still an emerald player w/ a 100 game losing streak then? Or was I a dia player and my div reflected my personal skill.

Give me a break. Get over yourself. MMR hell is real, and w/o a mmr reset ea season (which I cannot believe anet did not do), ur bad mmr will follow u in spvp Forever and you will be pitted w/. poor or new/clueless players against “good” seasoned players Forever. Its not fun. Its not entertaining or relaxing. Its demoralizing and stupid and totally unnecessary and done for the sole purpose of blowing smoke up the pros noses (which stinks).

This is a team based pvp. Ur teammates dc. They suck. They manipulate. They kill but don’t know strat. Then, on top of it, when ur mmr holds you back deliberately and pits u w/ other players w/ low mmr/losses against players w/ higher mmr/wins, who do u think will win 90% of the time – and hence the perpetual downward spiral into mmr hell (last seas) or the stay-stuck/never progress forevermore (seas 3 and beyond) which ppl are experiencing now.

My 100+ game losing streak was not my fault. It was certainly not 100% my fault and u r rude and clueless to say it and u owe me personally an apology because I have experienced mmr hell and I am not a bad player and it was not my fault that I lost more than 100 games in a row. Stop misleading players with ur random misrepresentations.

And btw, I got out of my losing streak and I didn’t do a friggin thing different. I just played the same way I always did. And I didn’t grind any more than anyone else in this game did either (not to mention last seas was specifically designed to not reward the grinders). So yah, w/e man.

Yes, Eater of Peeps, a 100 game losing streak is your fault.

You will get no apology from me. I could let my dog lick the keyboard and he could manage to get a win somewhere within 100 games.

Anet is not blame for your complete refusal to change your play strategy and style – and neither is their matchmaking system.

You deserved every single one of those losses.

No I didn’kittens

statistically impossible for someone to be that bad unless I was afk every match, which I wasn’t.

I made some mistakes, I’m not a pro. But I am not an emerald player as evidenced by my skill, achievements, exp, and divisions reached in all seas. Getting a 100+ losing streak in emerald (I know, tell me how I’m an emerald player, only I made it to dia), was not my fault. I may have contributed occasionally to some of my losses (as did u with yours), however, the bulk of my losses were incurred on days 1, 2, 3 of seas 2. I started w./ a win/loss ratio of 61%. By day 3, after playing endless hrs all 3 days, and getting trounced by pros teams (I was solo q), afkers who thought seas 1 was like 2 and it was helpful to lose, being paired w/ HOT newbies brand new to pvp who eventually, at 50% win/loss starting ratio, had higher ratios than me, and of course, the dcer’s which was prevalent the first few days (as it recently was during a pro match).

So perhaps, I am a singular example of how the system is skewed, but I can assure u and Fay that I am neither stupid nor inexperienced, and I am certainly not an unskilled pvper.

100% my fault. Give me a break. Your post is really personally offensive and u owe me an apology not only for the content of what you said, but for ur personally insulting and rude commentary as well.

And by the way, I made it to dia, and I didn’t change a thing in my play style, as I didn’t find it necessary to do so. I was content with my div at dia.

warbignime.4610:

fishball.7204:

No. But there are screenshots of 20 losses which is pretty much just as bad.

20 loss happens in other pvp games too, it’s reasonable and common. But 100 loss in a row is absolutely ridiculous. Also this is not about how MM is, it’s about the guy making ridiculous claim without any proof.

I already proved it and proved it and proved it over and over in seas 2. In fact, ppl were so annoyed that I was giving daily updates/proof as it progressed. So give me a break. Stop calling me a liar, as that is what u r doing. In fact, anet even acknowledged that some players had experienced substantial losing streaks. Pls apologize. I will not be going thru the whole proof process all over again just for u.

warbignime.4610:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Threat.7450:

The real problem with MM is the same as it has always been – people are simply not as good as they think they are.

No one wants to admit that they are a Ruby level player. Within the 80% of average players that the OP mentions, about half think they are pro. They freak out and get furious when they lose matches and blame teammates.

Newsflash: if you are on a 20 game losing streak – it’s your fault. 100% your fault. Stop doing what you did for the last 20 matches and do something different. Play a different class, attack a different point, employ a different strategy… but please do something different.

Newsflash: if you are on a 20 game losing streak – you are not “legendary”. Stop assuming you belong there. I know for a fact that I do not, nor would I whine about a MM system as being the reason I lose matches.

I wish Anet would use some tough love and let the whiners know that not everyone is elite.

I am not a bad player. I resent you calling me a bad player. I made it to dia last season. I was stuck in emerald w/ a 100+ losing streak. It was not my fault. I may have made mistakes, I could have been a better player (at times or always), I am not pro and don’t want to be, I tried to carry others, and I tried to never be carried.

I have played gw pvp almost daily since gw 1 beta and gw 2 beta. When I had my losing streak in emerald, everyone told me to get good and it was all my fault, and to stop blaming others. THey told me I was an emerald player and I belonged there.

When I made it to dia – what then? Was I still an emerald player w/ a 100 game losing streak then? Or was I a dia player and my div reflected my personal skill?

Give me a break. Get over yourselves. MMR hell is real, and w/o a mmr reset ea season (which I cannot believe anet did not do), ur bad mmr will follow u in spvp forever and you will be pitted with poor or new/clueless players against “good” seasoned players forever. Its not fun. Its not entertaining or relaxing. Its demoralizing and stupid and totally unnecessary and done for the sole purpose of blowing smoke up pros noses (which stinks).

This is team based pvp. Teammates dc. Sometimes they simply suck. Sometimes they manipulate. Sometimes I suck. Sometimes teammates kill ok 1 v 1 but don’t know strat. Then, on top of it, when ur mmr holds you back deliberately and pits u w/ other players w/ low mmr/losses against players w/ higher mmr/wins, who do u think will win 90% of the time – and hence the perpetual downward spiral into mmr hell (last seas) or the stay-stuck/never progress forevermore (seas 3 and beyond) which ppl are experiencing now.

My 100+ game losing streak was not my fault. It was certainly not 100% my fault and those of u who espouse that players who have low mmr or losing streaks because they are not good are rude and clueless to say that. I feel anyone who says that owes me an apology because I have experienced mmr hell and I am not a bad player and it was not my fault that I lost more than 100 games in a row. Stop misleading players with ur random misrepresentations.

And btw, I got out of my losing streak and I didn’t do a friggin thing different. I just played the same way I always did. And I didn’t grind any more than anyone else in this game did either (not to mention last seas was specifically designed to not reward the grinders). So yah, w/e man.

I refuse to believe you had 100 losing streak, proof or it didn’t happen. It is not possible even if you sit at home every single game because sometimes enemy disconnect. I do not believe you at all.

LOL> I already proved it in seas 2. I was put to the test back then, and proved it. Not going thru all that work again just for u. Pls stop calling me a liar. Its really offensive and rude and I take umbrage at it. I’m not lying. It did happen, and after playing on gw since gw1 beta and gw2 beta, I was so mad and frustrated I came to the forums for the first time to complain. I am an avid gw gamer, playing ea day (tho now I don’t as it is was too demoralizing now) in pvp for many more hours than any human should.

Pls stop calling me a liar. You owe me an apology.

Gwaihir.1745:

If you have a high abnormal loss rate you are being carried when you do win.

O I c. When I win, I suck. When I lose I suck. When I’m emerald I suck. When I’m dia I suck. O kk. Low mmr means I suck. KK. I get it now.

Galandil.9641:

odstninja.1468:

Where does all of this misinformation come from? Not saying yours is wrong I have no idea, just if so many others are wrong why are so many saying this? The higher powers need to be more clear and address this stuff so clear up any confusion if so.

It’s called confirmation bias.

Some players can’t wrap their head around the concept that they’re being carried way more by their high MMR (which hasn’t been reset since its introduction, so even if you stopped playing 1 year ago and came back now, you’d be helped by the match maker because of your old MMR) than by their actual skill. Denial of facts is a true power of nature, anyone who believes that winning 70%+ is purely or mostly skill related is a fool (unless you’re, maybe, in the true top 1% of players). :>

Regarding facts: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/so-we-re-back-to-50-50-matches/6158614

TLDR: matchmaker still stacking teams, high MMR leads to a higher winrate no matter what (and it should really be the other way around in a truly competitive environment).

Thank you so much for this post. Its so true.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

It’s not impossible at all. The problem, like in S2, is it’s going to be hugely influenced by your MMR rather than your factual play skill at that moment.

If you have high MMR you could probably metaphorically sleep on your keyboard and win since you will be given players with the best odds of winning while having to fight players who are clear underdogs (the kind of matches you can win even if you have 1 of your teammate dc).

If you are of low MMR the MM will stack the odds so badly against you any pro players would loose too to what they would have to contend with if they were in your shoes.

The mid MMR zone is where you will have easy and hard matches with the consequence of making win streaks possibly very hard to get and keep going.

The most important factor in any game outcome is, and always will be no matter how godly you are, who the MM pair you with and against. Long story short, the MM still handle very poorly soloquing even if it is by far, at least I think it is, the way the huge majority play the game.

This is true. I had a pro ESL player play on my account, with me watching. He played 6 straight games and was only able to win one. There was zero team support because my mmr is so low. No way even a pro can carry a whole newbie/baddie/low mmr team to victory against ppl on teams w/ high mmrs/wins/win streaks. It was proven to me definitively for good by a pro on my own account.

My friends’ list is now empty. Everyone I had on my list were great players – 2 pros, many from best guilds, many lifelong gamers w/ 20+ yrs of exp, and playing gw1 &2 since betas. They’ve all left. All of them. They hated the mess in spvp. I’ve stuck it out, but think its headed that way for me now as well. Not on your watch? KK come help me out of mmr hell, which still persists all over again in seas 3, esp since mmr was not reset.

Rigante.2470:

Not to get personal but just pointing at fact you have complained every season about matchmaking. I have a feeling there is nothing that they could do to make it acceptable to you because you are certain you should be able to do better then you are doing. Maybe you should be doing better or maybe you shouldn’t I dont know. However, its obvious to me that it’s never going to change significantly from how it works now. So to make a long story short you might want to think about playing another game because its never going to change radically from how it works right now imo. At least the matchmaking portion. I could see them changing how divisions work and pips etc but not how we get team A versus team B.

Rigante, I notice you have said the same thing to every single negative post every day of all seasons. Hmmmm. Talk about tired old records.

Of course they will. They are punishing losers forever. Our mmr haunts us and places us with newbie players forever. Why not continue to specially reward the winners? They are special after all. And they have all the skill. Yay for winning!

That’s not true. I had a teammate, who was having probs w/ lag. I told him if he dced to stay dced, and not rejoin until match over (6 mins or so), so the rest of us didn’t lose our pips. I told him this based on statements by players just like the one above. The guy did what everyone asked and didn’t rejoin. We all lost our pips. He dced in first min of game. Whatever.

Ranael.6423:

Burn.5401:

Pretty sure all of the above has been suggested all they way from season 1 so I doubt anet cares at this point. It’s a sinking ship that’s almost reached the bottom.

And your still standing on the bridge, knowing it is sinking? Not really how one win evolution….

As for OP, MMR reset would create much worse matches at beginning of the season. People complain on the forum, but that is what forums are for, most players don’t even know they can access the forum because they simply don’t care.
Unability to join as duo/group would also make the game unfriendly. I mean there is a social component in the game so if people cannot group in pvp the social part fails. There should be a compromise between strict solo and evry group size as we have now. In fact I tend to think that Legendary should only be a fix 5 man queue, because… well ….team based game.

So what if mmr reset causes worse matches for everyone in beginning of seas. At least we are all on same level playing field. Isn’t that a better alternative than punishing players w/ low mmr (earned for whatever reasons – maybe personal skill, but maybe unlucky, or ppl afk or dcing, or brand new pvp players etc) forever? Forever. My low mmr follows me forever. I am paired w. brand new players who do not know how to pvp at all. I have to teach them all day, and still I lose. It is not fun. I paid the same amount for this game as everyone else. Why am I being so horribly punished forever because of the first week in seas 2 (I had 60 win/loss ratio going into first week seas 2, but lost to pros that 1st week, and tanked my mmr unwittingly).

Rigante.2470:

ellesee.8297:

This is the biggest get good thread yet.

Thats because we are three seasons in and we are still seeing the same whines. I’m not the biggest fan of a-nets devs but I am pretty sure we have gotten to the point where they have tuned the system quite a bit. This is most likely 90% plus it. Maybe they could make it another 10% better. The choice is pretty much to stay or leave at this point. Continuing the same tired parade of whining is not productive.

You’re actually advocating that ppl quit the game. No room for improvement here. It’s as good as its gonna get, and ppl who don’t like it should leave. Hmmm. Love it or leave it huh? Novel concept – how bout love it or change it, till ppl stop quitting/complaining, or at least there isn’t such a huge rage storm like there is now. With this many ppl complaining and quitting, u would think ppl would get the concept that for many players the experience is nothing short of horrible. Why devise a game that makes some ppl who paid the same money for the game as everyone else be penalized so harshly? And yah, I get it, life isn’t fair, and some have to lose – but shouldn’t it be somewhat fair in a game? Shouldn’t we all start out on a level playing field. I mean, really, how hard is it to reset mmr ea season? I mean really, a 100 game losing streak in emerald last seas when Ive played well over 2500 ranked games and made it to dia each seas solo q w/ no help? Something appears rotten, and I can assure u all, it isn’t just my skill.

Fay.2357:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

My 100+ game losing streak was not my fault. It was certainly not 100% my fault and those of you who suggest it was solely my skill level and my fault alone are rude and clueless to say it and u owe me an apology because I have experienced mmr hell and I am not a bad player and it was not my fault that I lost more than 100 games in a row. Stop misleading players with ur random misrepresentations.

Words fail me.

Why?

Is it inconceivable to you that in the first week of last season I played 12 hrs a day and lost against the pros on ts who were blowing thru the ranks when I solo q joined and got a 100 game losing streak because my mmr declined and it pitted me w/ weaker and brand new players (who had 50% mmr) against Pro teams. Pro teams. I was solo que. No ts. No coordination w/ other pugs. The pros were, needless to say, coordinated. They won. I tanked my mmr unwittingly, because no one warned me until about week 3 when the complaining started that as a solo quer I should never have hit the enter button until the pros blew thru. I didn’t realize how the algorithm worked until it was too late. I didn’t realize it was that important to not let ur mmr drop too much.

I have over 2500 ranked pvp games. I am not new to this. I do not suck. However, now my low mmr (despite making it to dia last seas and the seas before, all as solo q) has not been reset and I am at about 43% and its nearly impossible to progress. Now my low mmr will follow me forever. Forever. I will get to teach brand new players strat all day long. Do you think that is fun for me, especially since we just lose and lose and lose, cuz new players truly have no idea (not their fault) how to play strat (only exp teaches u how to win strategically).

Did I do something to deserve this punitive treatment? Especially since in that first week of last seas, many ppl still thought it was a good idea to afk like they did in seas 1 (which I protested that activity then too). What exactly is it in my words that you seem to find ludicrous or something, since what I have said leaves u without a voice.

Yah, the algorithm is what needs to change. People are experiencing effortless win streaks, and the reverse people are experiencing frustrating cumulative losses. The winners keep telling the losers that its their personal skill. But we all know that solo quers with losing streaks will continue to lose because of the mmr/matchmaking system, and possibly, but certainly not necessarily, and definitely not solely or definitely because of their personal skill or lack thereof. Losing can occur for any reason not connected to a solo q player’s skill, especially when the solo quer is paired with people with low mmr or losing streaks and pitted against pro teams on coordinated ts. Not a level playing field by any stretch of the imagination. And solo quers who r breezing thru r both lucky and have high mmr. When I finally eeked my way to dia last season after a 100 game losing streak in emerald, I was very tired of being told I was an emerald player who needed to get good, and I won against many of the people in ruby and dia who had beaten me in emerald.

insanemaniac.2456:

Astralporing.1957:

insanemaniac.2456:

thus, by waiting for everyone better than you to get ahead of you, you can get easy matches and play catch up later and have your progress and your legendary.

It didn’t work that way in season 2, as you’d need to wait for longer than the season’s length. Why do you think it would work now?

i had several friends play a little at the start of s2 and get stuck and i told them to wait a few weeks and come back to it. when they did, they streaked to ruby/diamond.

it did work that way in s2. if it didnt for you, idk what to tell you.

How nice that ur friends had u to advise them. How nice they only “play a little at start of s2” and that, like me, they didn’t play and play and play that first week (and got trounced by pro teams on ts). How nice that they streaked to ruby cuz they didn’t play against the pros.

S2 didn’t work that way for me. I played the first week a lot. I got pitted against the pro teams, and got matched w/ brand new players w/ 50% mmr granted to them for no reason, and players who thought that match manipulation of straight losses was a good idea cuz it worked in seas 1. Well, that is how mmr hell and low mmr got bestowed on me (not to mention the countless dcs, clueless players and good 1 v 1ers who killed but knew zip about team strat and actually winning a game.

But w/e. Once low mmr starts, it now travels w/ us forever, courtesy of anets policy to not reset mmr (and y? have they chosen to not reset mmr, at a very minimum, so we are all on equal footing – no one knows, except it appears an obvious ploy to cater to and placate pro players). Everyone else I guess can just go have fun playing in the pit teaching newbies how to pvp. Fun. Fun fun. And hence, quitting time – and the player base shrinks some more. Yay! GW 1 death spiral on its way in GW2! yay!

Hurry anet! Do something positive for the bulk of your remaining player base! I’m begging u!

All of your logic is flawed here. Your all assuming we all start w/ a 50% mmr. We don’t. MMR was not reset. Some players have less than 50%. They won’t progress.

Also, players w/ low mmr might suck, they might not. If you suck and ur teammates suck and ur pitted against a winning team w/ higher mmr/more wins, you r most likely going to lose. If you don’t suck, but u have low mmr for w/e reasons, and ur teammates suck (or they dc or throw the game or don’t know strat or w/e) and ur pitted against a winning team w/ higher mmr/more wins u r most likely going to lose. Your better than average solo q player cannot carry a team of 4 random newbies to victory against 5 seasoned ts coordinated pros (or even just “winners”). Its not real. Extrapolate this out over however many games u like, and ur still paired w/ low mmr players w/ more losses than wins against players w/ higher mmrs/wins. Guess who will progress and win and guess who will not progress, or worse, with no mmr reset, guess who will go into the oblivion pit.

W/e. Ur all trying to justify something, sounding all logical and stuff, but the reality is, there are many good players out there, who were good at pvp, and they got stuck in mmr hell and quit. They are gone now never to return. What a shame. And all u guys do is talk and yap about how they deserved to quit cuz they weren’t good to begin with. I can tell you ur talk is la la la not real. Gw 2 lost a lot of good players. The pros soon will have no player base to play against. So sad. So pointless. So needlessly punitive.

Threat.7450:

The real problem with MM is the same as it has always been – people are simply not as good as they think they are.

No one wants to admit that they are a Ruby level player. Within the 80% of average players that the OP mentions, about half think they are pro. They freak out and get furious when they lose matches and blame teammates.

Newsflash: if you are on a 20 game losing streak – it’s your fault. 100% your fault. Stop doing what you did for the last 20 matches and do something different. Play a different class, attack a different point, employ a different strategy… but please do something different.

Newsflash: if you are on a 20 game losing streak – you are not “legendary”. Stop assuming you belong there. I know for a fact that I do not, nor would I whine about a MM system as being the reason I lose matches.

I wish Anet would use some tough love and let the whiners know that not everyone is elite.

I am not a bad player. I resent you calling me a bad player. I made it to dia last season. I was stuck in emerald w/ a 100+ losing streak. It was not my fault. I may have made mistakes, I could have been a better player (at times or always), I am not pro and don’t want to be, I tried to carry others, and I tried to never be carried.

I have played gw pvp almost daily since gw 1 beta and gw 2 beta. When I had my losing streak in emerald, everyone told me to get good and it was all my fault, and to stop blaming others. THey told me I was an emerald player and I belonged there.

When I made it to dia – what then? Was I still an emerald player w/ a 100 game losing streak then? Or was I a dia player and my div reflected my personal skill?

Give me a break. Get over yourselves. MMR hell is real, and w/o a mmr reset ea season (which I cannot believe anet did not do), ur bad mmr will follow u in spvp forever and you will be pitted with poor or new/clueless players against “good” seasoned players forever. Its not fun. Its not entertaining or relaxing. Its demoralizing and stupid and totally unnecessary and done for the sole purpose of blowing smoke up pros noses (which stinks).

This is team based pvp. Teammates dc. Sometimes they simply suck. Sometimes they manipulate. Sometimes I suck. Sometimes teammates kill ok 1 v 1 but don’t know strat. Then, on top of it, when ur mmr holds you back deliberately and pits u w/ other players w/ low mmr/losses against players w/ higher mmr/wins, who do u think will win 90% of the time – and hence the perpetual downward spiral into mmr hell (last seas) or the stay-stuck/never progress forevermore (seas 3 and beyond) which ppl are experiencing now.

My 100+ game losing streak was not my fault. It was certainly not 100% my fault and those of u who espouse that players who have low mmr or losing streaks because they are not good are rude and clueless to say that. I feel anyone who says that owes me an apology because I have experienced mmr hell and I am not a bad player and it was not my fault that I lost more than 100 games in a row. Stop misleading players with ur random misrepresentations.

And btw, I got out of my losing streak and I didn’t do a friggin thing different. I just played the same way I always did. And I didn’t grind any more than anyone else in this game did either (not to mention last seas was specifically designed to not reward the grinders). So yah, w/e man.

Actually, ppl quitting the game is a very big deal. Its called end of gw2 if attrition gets too great. Then the game dies and goes bye bye just like gw1. So sad. So sad that ppl think players quitting cuz of bad pvp design/catering to pro leagues is no big deal. I mean really, I guess nothing is a big deal ever. Certainly not entertainment. But it is a game I loved and I wish anet would wake up and fix it before its fatal.

TS is harder to use in random solo q – that’s all I’m suggesting – not a ban.

Also, if mmr is reset, y would anyone complain? we all start on equal playing field. Everyone the same. Equality.

People will always complain about unluckiness, because team arena is a team of 5 and ur teammates might suck. That is a given. But it is much worse when ur negative mmr (cuz u tried out different classes/builds/dce’d etc in addition to ur sucky teammates and ur own lack of personal skill) will haunt u and follow u forever in pvp w/ the lack of a reset.

Ppl w/ low mmr cannot ever break out of playing w./ bad ppl, unless they pay someone to carry, or form a team w/ pros (hahahah – like theyre gonna take someone w/ low mmr). So um. What is the suggestion for ppl w/ low mmr? Getting gud doesn’t help, cuz u still r paired w/ 4 other ppl w/ low mmr (who may suck) each match, and ur pitted against winning/high mmr players. Its a recipe for endless disappointing pvp play. U know, mmr hell.

I actually cannot believe anet would betray its players in this manner.

lol. Ur only just now figuring out that brand new players r playing in spvp w/ 50% mmr, and moving up to ruby/dia quite nicely

trunks.5249:

Timiok.1048:

So I’m doing terrible this season. 48 matches with only 17 wins (All of which are followed up by losses) in sapphire. I’m not even past tier 2 because I don’t win games. I’m almost never at the bottom of the scoreboard, I’m often at the top(Though points aren’t an accurate representation of skill). I win most of my 1v1s even against cheese builds on thief. Last season when i had 48 matches I was nearly ruby. Somehow getting to diamond is hard this time around. I never come close to winning and it seems like all the people I que with tend to be really stupid or just bad(At least that’s my opinion). When I talked to people about this they said I should just “git gud”, am i the one who is pulling down my teams? Should I really be able to carry a team or have such a significant difference, even if my teammates do stuff like go onto points against 4 people and die to beasts in the forest map?
I’m not going to be offended by any mean comments as pvp killed my soul, so be honest.

its not just you. i feel your pain . i practiced pvp for months just to get ready for ranked and most of the time it seems like my team mates just started in pvp. i am starting to wonder if new players to pvp are playing in ranked

Rigante.2470:

Id be fine with it. People would just find another reason to complain though. The current system is fine too I solo all the time I really don’t feel like facing premades too much is a real problem to me. Its a semi- imaginary (it happens but not nearly as often as people think) problem for the bads to grouse about like MMR hell. Im 5-20 in my last 25 games because of premades! That sort of thing.

I’m not a bad player Rigante. I resent you calling me that. I am stuck in very real mmr hell.

I am not a bad player Rigante. I don’t like it that u insult me.

How nice for u that u have high mmr (for w/e reason) and that solo q is fine for u. Solo q is not fine for ppl w/ low mmr.

I am not a bad player Rigante. I don’t need to get good. I need anet to step up to the plate and fix its game.

Here’s my solution to the pvp debacle that anet has rained upon us.

Reset mmr ea season.

Make amber thru ruby 100% random, solo q, w/ no ability to reroll. Once in, you can’t leave ever. If you dc, game instantly stops and same game must be replayed until completion.

Once in dia, everyone/anyone can form teams (cuz u know, these are all the good players, and they should all team up – cuz if u lose, and lose a lot, u wont make it thru a random matchup in just one season, no matter how much u grind) and ts is allowed and rerolls and synchronicity, etc.

That way, the pros get to the top solo, but quick anyway cuz they’re so great. The other players only get to dia (if they do at all) when they eek their way up solo random.

That way, pros get truly good players (and new players) to go against since only the good ones can get thru that system in less than 1 season.

Also, bad players still can get occasional wins/carries but inevitably, they will be weeded out in the short season solo random punch out.

Pros will have more, new, good players (the lack of which they always complain about) and good, med, and even poor players will have the opportunity to improve, win a few, and not get horribly demoralized.

Why is this such a bad fix? Why is this such a horrible idea? I c absolutely no down side to it whatsoever.

Ellie.5913:

oogballer.2408:

i gave up ,:( with the most pain in my hearth , i cant solo q in ranked this season, its straight up hell horrible

Don’t be sad, the wings are ugly anyways they sell better looking back pieces in the gem store. I gave up on leagues at the beginning of season 2 even tho I’ve been playing ranked for 3 years, and it actually made me feel more peaceful and free like a heavy load was lifted off my shoulders. Just play unranked if you feel like playing pvp, its more fun & you don’t have to play lame boring meta builds, and save gold and buy a gem store wings ( I have 5 gem store wings and bunch of other in game back pieces that looks WAY better than those legendary wings imo, unless you love huge gigantic weird looking things swallowing you up and getting in the way and covering your cool lookin weapons) Being stressed out over a game isn’t worth it.

Ive been playing 14 yrs in pvp, daily. Its not about the stupid wings or rewards or legendary. Its about who ur teammates are and who they will always be once ur mmr gets tanked for any reason, including, and yes its possible!, because of ur teammates and not u. Once ur mmr is tanked, u will be pit w/ noobs, newbies, manipulators and the dregs of the player base. GL getting out of that morass w/ any of the matchup systems anet has devised.

Does anet have any idea whatsoever how demoralizing it is for solo q players w/ low mmr (for w/e reason – yes including, but certainly not exclusively because of, solely the fault of their teammates) to be matched up w/ the same clueless players w./ bad losing streaks against teams on ts w/ high mmr and win streaks.

I think every anet employee should be required to play 12 hrs a day in pvp w/ low mmr in solo q for a full season. Let them c what ppl r really experiencing and complaining about.

O, and I know, so pls don’t say it. Get good. I know.

O, and ur rt. After 14 yrs of playing gw pvp ea day, I won’t be stressed out. I’m just gonna quit.

Yawn. Just get good. If ur mmr is 1 u can carry ur whole team urself from amber to legend in 1 week. Just practice, get good. And u can do it solo, w/o ts and w.o help. Just get good. MMR has 0 to do w/ anything. The game isn’t ruined. Ppl aren’t quitting. Its all roses for the high mmr ppl. that’s all that’s left. That’s all that matters. The rest of us don’t matter at all. We suck. We know it. We can stop pvping, a nd pveing , and wvwing, and gwing. OK? kk

You know, all of these posts exemplify why guild wars has the worst gaming community online of any game.

Anet better reset mmr – its the no. 1 priority and most egregious problem (along w/ matchmaking). I want a clean slate in season 3, so we can put this nightmare behind us. I’m sure the “good players” are all happy. If so, please make sure they all get to go through what I went through this season. Starting w/ a 54% win/loss ratio which tanked in two days thx to mmr, and is now at 44%. I cant even get into a pvp guild. Ridiculous.

Jourdelune.7456:

Seems you can be rated an Established player into MISTCORE?

You have more than 500 wins in rank queue for a minimum new member entry?

A win lose ratio better than 50% (you know, we have people with 60% but I prefer large guild with many different kind of player, with a bare minimum to have fun matches and wins more than lose)?

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/comments/46f8l1/na_guild_mistcore_looking_for_more_established/

There are many players who have kitten win/loss ratios right now cuz of current matchmaking/mmr hell. The fact that you only take people with win/loss ratio of better than 50% means your guild is excluding tons of incredibly great players (and perhaps accepting quite a few kitten players) right off the bat. Wouldn’t it be better to accept people, see how they play one – five games, and then if not up to par, give them the boot. To exclude people w/o even giving them a chance is stupid – especially when you want good players and when good players are desperately looking for pvp guilds this season.

Pyriall.1683:

All of those people in MMR hell should just form a group and get themselves out. It should be simple enough, they’re all in the wrong division anyways.

We have already done that! It’s a guild called End The Streak, and Master Foo, a pro player formed it, and he helps out players who are truly stuck, and the players help themselves by forming teams and helping to remove the quacky matchmaking that seems to contribute heavily to the downward spiral.

So hang in there – and join up on teams! It helps!

jessiestiles.9437:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Celeras.4980:

MMR hell is a bad players excuse for being bad. Their MMR is totally low through no fault of their own, and they’re suddenly way better now than they were when it tanked. They were just testing builds or playing with friends!

Forget that people like myself have streamed F2P warriors to legendary, that doesn’t prove anything because we didn’t lose 50 games in a row first!

Omg trolls! Get over yourself.

Your first problem is listening to anything that guy has to say. I mean look at it. It’s a rehash of other posts he has read. He obviously hasn’t given the topic any real consideration and his post is more posturing. He also sounds.. what’s the polite word.. youthful, really youthful.

To be fair it’s not the worst rehash ever. He’s used proper grammar and it’s longer than one sentence. He’s added a couple of jokes in there. They’re not funny but he’s trying. Yeah? Still, if it was a movie review you’d give it a thumbs down.

This season is screwy Eaterofpeeps. But you didn’t let it beat you and you’re almost at diamond! Well done! When everyone said you were bad and belonged in emerald. You showed them all.

Don’t expect an apology because they are twots. They have no idea what you went through and not enough heart to care. Besides this could lead to reflection and introspection which might make it harder to be twots to other people in the future. And they probably don’t have a lot else going for them.

Thank you! MUCH appreciated – it has been hell, but I did tough it out, and I’m almost where I intended to be at the start of the seas, so I’m happy again. Thanks for the support, and I’m proof, the system (not to mention rude trolls) can be overcome with persistence and determination.

Have faith in Anet. They will fix it. It will be fun for all again!

Celeras.4980:

MMR hell is a bad players excuse for being bad. Their MMR is totally low through no fault of their own, and they’re suddenly way better now than they were when it tanked. They were just testing builds or playing with friends!

Forget that people like myself have streamed F2P warriors to legendary, that doesn’t prove anything because we didn’t lose 50 games in a row first!

Omg trolls! Get over yourself.

I had a 100+ losing streak. Really, is anyone ever that bad? I’m not mentally handicapped. I would have to be pretty stupid and clueless if I could pull off a 100 game losing streak after playing gw2 since beta for hrs a day nearly every day and not get a single win in there somewhere. I mean really, is anyone that dumb? LOL. Oh, and pls, don’t respond w/ the obvious – it just will make u look dumb.

Also, I am 3 pips from dia. I will hit dia this week. I have had a relatively easy time in ruby, despite my low mmr. MMR hell is something altogether different from low mmr or losing 8 or 9 games in a row. When I hit MMR hell, I was stuck in emerald tier 1 for 3 weeks. Everyday, same newbie and noobie players who were clueless, endlessly teaching them how to play strat. Very tiring. Not fun.

But now I am in ruby. How in the world did that happen? Tell me, all of u who keep saying that mmr is only real cuz the player gets stuck where the system intended for them to level out cuz their losses show they are tapped out in the skill dept. Well, explain me then. How in the world did I ever get out of emerald? If it was my skill, how did I improve so quickly – absolutely amazing! If I did nothing but grind to get to ruby, well, isn’t that what all of you did? I mean, every game u play is a grind – it just doesn’t feel like a grind when it goes quick and u get carried thru your wins by a system that’s deliberately favoring you (and helping you, like a whole extra player!) to win (I mean really – 2 pips for winning, and winners w/ winners against losers (sometimes in much lower divs). Besides, as many have pointed out, this system was specifically intended to negate grinding.

So um, yah. Am I a ruby player? Am I an emerald player? Will I be a dia player soon? If I am dia soon, how do you explain my emerald losses of over 100 games consecutively. How is that possible if I am a dia player? PLs one person – give me an explanation for that that is believable and not rude. This game seriously penalizes solo quers. And once you start losing a lot -for whatever reason (yes, might be ur skill, but it just as easily could have absolutely nothing to do w./ ur personal skill), u r skewed to lose more and a lot.

I think you are all missing the OP’s point.

She is complaining that divisions are pointless – imaginary. What is the point of “ruby” or “saph” if losers are being paired w/ ambers and emeralds against rubies and dias? If you’re being pegged for all id purposes as a ruby player (we don’t want u unless ur ruby etc.), or dia/legend r supposed to be elite, why are ruby players (or any other divs for that matter) EVER being paired w/ anything but other rubies against only other rubies (que times be kittened)?

Also, a few games loss is not mmr hell. And believe me, I know what of I speak, I posted on day 2 of the seas that mmr hell is real since at the time I was stuck in emer tier 1 w/ a 100+ consecutive losing streak. Pls don’t call me a liar – its offensive and unnecessary and rude and it really demoralizes ppl who r truly caught in the throes of a skewed system (and true mmr hell has been documented ad nauseam).

What the OP is stating is both truthful and patently obvious – she is experiencing exactly what the system is designed to do – pair losers with losers against winners, and pair winners with winners against losers.

Instead of telling her to get gud (which she may or may not need to do) the best advice is to get off of solo q if ur mmr is low, and get w/ a team. I see a very nice offer from Lord. Solo q is FINE if ur mmr is not tanked, but once u start experiencing a long losing streak get out of solo q some way rt away!. You can come to ETS (End the Streak) where other ppl w/ low mmrs are forming teams and breaking mmr hell – not cuz all of a sudden they’re getting good, but because they have teammates who r helping out, and when u form a 3 or 4 man grp u have control over the matchmaking and inevitable class stacking and other matchup flaws (ambers on ur team, dias on opp team) which occur when u solo. Also, when u team up u can find a good composition where the skill sets/classes synchronize nicely, along w/ player styles and skills, and all of this can help you out of ur stuck position.

Pls stop telling this player its her play and u can help. While the offer is nice, and while it may be true, its also a challenge to her that somehow she is solely faulty/responsible for her repetitive losses. While this might be true, it just as easily might be false and have nothing to do w. her personal skill. Pure random matchups would indicate she should be winning more than she is, but it is working exactly as the system intends – once u start getting losses, the system intends for you to keep getting those losses, and in fact, it’s specifically designed to help you to realize those losses since perpetual losses is where u belong. Right. The system actually puts a 500lb anvil on loser’s backs, so it becomes even harder for them to rise thru the ranks (not only harder than it is for winners, but also harder than if u just were at 50/50 w/l ratio w/ up and down win/loss trade-offs).

I am confident Anet will fix this skewed system, which will it is operating as intended, is likely resulting in loss streaks which they did not anticipate to this extent. Also, remember, you may hit a losing streak at the point where you have met your skill match (which was the intent), but it can also happen at any point earlier for reasons having little or nothing to do w/ personal skill (alas!).

I’m not saying this person shouldn’t improve. I encourage her to keep practicing and trying, she will get better the longer she plays (presumably). However, there are a lot of pvp strats/tactics that higher level players understand better because they learn from pros cuz they get to play w/ them sometimes (which this player may never get to do if they are stuck in sapp forever), so they have the opportunity to learn strat. Learning strat is key to improving, and perhaps this player needs to improve this as well – Idk. However, perhaps the player really is skilled and perfectly understands strat and is just one of a few who have been unfairly penalized by a system that as conceived was meant to separate the men from the boys but which in practical application allowed many players to get carried by the system and who now think they are better than they really are (hence ridiculous # of blowouts in dia/legend), and to penalize further those players who, for whatever reasons, got unlucky (or are unskilled) and who now suffer losses all day long with teammates in the same boat.

Until you actually experience this cycle of rage, you should all be a little more empathetic about the very real frustration the current system sometimes doles out to some truly unlucky players. I would like to add tho, that the people on this post thread were actually very nice to OP and are truly trying to be helpful w/o a lot of vicious name calling and loser shaming that I have seen on so many other posts! GJ one and all! Hang in there – anet will fix it and gw2 will be the game of choice once again!

NeXeD.3042:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

NeXeD.3042:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

NeXeD.3042:

if anyone is getting that frustrated or demoralized maybe pvp just isnt for you because you are correct 65 consecutive losses is not mathematically possible with the system. SO if that is happening its not the system.

That’s not what I said. I said losing 65 consecutive games or more is not mathematically possible UNLESS you have a skewed system. It is the system. Its ONLY the system’s coding and nothing else. And it is happening.

you say its the system i say it can not possibly be the systems fault if your losing that many games in a row your afking or you are the worst player in game (i realize this probably isnt you with that losing streak so im not saying you are bad or anything)

I had a 100+ consecutive loss streak on days 1 and 2 of seas 2 – stuck in emerald tier 1. Now in ruby. You are right. I am not bad. You are wrong. It is the system. Only a skewed system could produce results like this – no one on a random basis alone could possibly get results like this unless the system is skewed.

I am not the worst player in the game – which is why I am in ruby after tanking my mmr in emerald (due to many factors I have mentioned elsewhere ad nauseam), yet my abnormal “stuck in mmr hell” losses were very real and very demoralizing and not fun. I never afk and report everyone who does. What now?

You probably belong in ruby?

LOLOLOLO

Aren’t you the same guy that said to me, when I was stuck in emerald – you probably belong in emerald – that’s why you’re stuck there.

I’m not stuck in ruby. What a joke.

NeXeD.3042:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

NeXeD.3042:

if anyone is getting that frustrated or demoralized maybe pvp just isnt for you because you are correct 65 consecutive losses is not mathematically possible with the system. SO if that is happening its not the system.

That’s not what I said. I said losing 65 consecutive games or more is not mathematically possible UNLESS you have a skewed system. It is the system. Its ONLY the system’s coding and nothing else. And it is happening.

you say its the system i say it can not possibly be the systems fault if your losing that many games in a row your afking or you are the worst player in game (i realize this probably isnt you with that losing streak so im not saying you are bad or anything)

I had a 100+ consecutive loss streak on days 1 and 2 of seas 2 – stuck in emerald tier 1. Now in ruby. You are right. I am not bad. You are wrong. It is the system. Only a skewed system could produce results like this – no one on a random basis alone could possibly get results like this unless the system is skewed.

I am not the worst player in the game – which is why I am in ruby after tanking my mmr in emerald (due to many factors I have mentioned elsewhere ad nauseam), yet my abnormal “stuck in mmr hell” losses were very real and very demoralizing and not fun. I never afk and report everyone who does. What now?

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Its not a game bug. Its not an official skill. It happens a lot. Its been caught on video. Guess what it is?

A FEATURE!

sendmegoldpls

Of what? H word tactics? Bet I can guess who won too!

They have left. Is that good?

The vocal minority is only a minority, cuz the rest of our majority, who were upset, demoralized and simply not having fun because of the unenjoyable experience which the new system (i.e., winners w/ winners against losers and losers w/ losers against winners – gee, guess who will win?) inflicted upon them have already quit the game … hence long queues anyway and lower base.

I would suggest to all of u that think its my skill that stuck my in emerald w/ a 100+ losing streak (in ruby now), that its the system which carried you to where u don’t belong either.

Glad ur all having fun tho! Come on my account, and see how fun it is – even w/ u playing, doing ur best – I already have seen pros try to help and they say the team support is abysmal once mmr gets tanked. So yah, um, real fun.

And besides, even if ur having fun, and the majority of players are having fun (which I don’t believe – I believe that is actually the vocal minority made up of system-carried wannabees), why should anyone on this game not have fun. Its a game. Its supposed to be fun. I paid my money, just like each of you. I was told it would be fair, balanced pvp competition (as it was in gw1). I want fun. Why has any system been designed to punish any player, especially those suffering long losing streaks? How is that fun? Why should they have to go thru that when it is advertised as being fun – not a demoralizing downward grind?

Get over yourselves. People are legitimately complaining (yes, in here) about a serious problem in matchmaking which has ruined the pvp experience for them. Anet is aware, and is hopefully correcting everything (I have faith in them) for seas 3 and thereafter.

In the meantime, if your having fun …. go do it. Go play the game have fun and shut up and empathize once in awhile with ppl having the completely opposite experience. Stop trolling in here, rubbing losing players noses into the ground further. Its not nice.

If you want to state that your having fun fine. Support Anet. I do, I love the game. I buy endlessly. I support good decisions and recommend the game to friends.

But in the process of stating how much fun youre having (and I believe it, cuz the system is skewed), you don’t need to go the extra step and attempt to ridiculously discredit all of the people having zero fun. Even if players losing streaks are 100% their own faults (which is absolutely stupid to believe), letting them know how kitten a player they are doesn’t help. I’m pretty sure us losers all get it. I’m pretty sure we’ve heard all of your uni-messages (like a broken record with only one message) – we suck, and you don’t. You belong where you are and we belong where we are – only you’re having fun and we’re not. GJ! And gg!

To all you mmr deniers I would say this:

1. Maybe you’re not as good as you think you are.

2. Maybe you got carried to dia/legend … by a system … which matches winners w/ winners against losers (including of lower divs) and matches losers w/ losers against winners (including of higher divs).

Hmmmm. Trolls one and all. Smugness and qq about how great we are some more?

Haleydawn.3764:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

How nice for u. Come play on my acct and see what its like trying to rank up.

It’s not about ranking up, its about enjoyment. If you’re not enjoying it, play un-ranked. It’s incredibly simple. Getting to X devision doesn’t mean squat, the question is, did you enjoy it?

Lol. Omg, have u ever played in unranked? Build testing, 1 v 1 fights in corner of maps, etc. Unranked is not competitive play and the players, for the most part, are not in there to play to win.

where am i claiming to be good…. im not claiming to be good im claiming to be able to carry at low levels because in all honesty the same things you are all saying about your teammates how they suck and do dumb things are all the same reasons why i am able to carry at low levels. I have been able to 1v2 and 1v3 in amber through sapphire….

My rise will stop at some point and even out… all it means is i probably dont belong in amber emerald or sapphire… my guess is i end up somewhere in high ruby or maybe briefly touching diamond… where last season we had people that didnt know simple game mechanics made it to legendary because they played a ton of games…

anet has tried a million different ways to do this balancing with MMR a bunch of different systems and its always the same thing one way is just a grind to the top and some players have an issue with that because they cant play 20 games regardless of their skill level. Same thing on the other end of the spectrum it becomes more MMr and skill based so the people who grind and grind and grind cant make the top because thye probably just arent good enough. The current system seems to be what anet has come up with and is sort of a hybrid between the two.[/quote]

You say ur rise to the top will level out and that is where u belong cuz of ur skill.

That’s what ppl said happened to me in emerald when I bottomed out w/ a 100+ consecutive loss losing streak. Um, no, I wasn’t an emerald player, cuz now I’m 3 pips from diamond and have had a fairly easy experience getting thru ruby. So now what?

You may hit ur mmr lose streak where u rightfully belong (u will have to judge that for urself) or u may not. U may hit it much earlier than ur skill would indicate for reasons having nothing to do w/ ur skill.

Really, think about it. It just comes down to this system: Losers are paired with losers against winners. Winners are paired with winners against losers. This goes on ad infinitum.

So the system is actually coding for u to be placed w/ either winners against losers or w/ losers against winners. So u either have the deck predeterminedly stacked against u or w/ u.

Also, some amount of luck is involved w/ regard to other factors such as rerolls, ts, syncing, premades vs. solos, vanilla builds, newbie or noob teammates, dcs, manipulations, afks, dishonorable ppl doing dishonorable things. So yah, ur skill is important, as is the skill of ur teammates (and the lack of skill of ur winning opponents – lucky for winners who are being deliberately pitted against losing players w/ presumable less skill), but to act like ur skill alone put u where u r, and my skill alone got me stuck in emerald (and now, according to many of u, its my grinding and not my skill that is raising me thru the divs – lol?) is ridiculous.

If I’m not as good as I think I am, maybe ur not as good as u think u r since always getting paired w/ winners and always going against losers (with ur team of winners) each time u win is hardly nothing. Are u really saying that is not a distinct advantage which they system has coded for winners to have? Are you really saying nothing but ur skill got u where u r, and nothing but my lack of skill got me where I am?

You’re denying the reality of the deliberate coding, which gives an advantage to winners and a deliberate disadvantage to losers (why any system designed to encourage fun and true competition in a game should penalize losers further is still shocking to me).

NeXeD.3042:

if anyone is getting that frustrated or demoralized maybe pvp just isnt for you because you are correct 65 consecutive losses is not mathematically possible with the system. SO if that is happening its not the system.

That’s not what I said. I said losing 65 consecutive games or more is not mathematically possible UNLESS you have a skewed system. It is the system. Its ONLY the system’s coding and nothing else. And it is happening.

Crimson Shi.5047:

@Eater of Peeps.9062 Most of those who were killing you mercilessly have already moved up to the next tier, in this case Diamond, it can even be said, Diamond is the new Ruby, and Ruby is the new Sapphire.

So? What’s your point? You were on a team and I was solo q? Or u caught the win train ride up? So. W/e man. So now the tiers u went thru are all garbage (but they weren’t when u went thru), and where u r now is not garbage and I’ll never get there? So I am grinding to my new emerald or sapp level (w/e u think ruby or dia is) but u blew thru those when they were good cuz ur good?

WTF man, do u even listen to urself? Pompous much? I suspect since the game is coded for winners to be paired with winners against losers, that ur not as good a player as u think u r.

R O C.6574:

LordOtto.2650:

Please tell me more emerald/sapphire players about playing against pro players…. wait what?! You play against pro players?! That means that you alone are pro to, but your team mates are trash only…. do you even see what you wright?! You are a trash pvp player if you are in emerald/sapphire and you try even now to get out of there! Against pro players, huhhh; I’m legendary x1, and I still don’t call my self pro player, there are players who are even legendary x11, try to play against a full legendary team, and win it, while you are all in diamond, now that’s a real challenge, and that’s how I got to legendary. Solo 75%, 25% duo-trio. MMR is hell, but if you really know you deserve more, you get more, last season I was diamond, now legendary, maybe in season 3 I will be legendary x5, what’s stopping me, my own ego, once I believed in my self that I can get legendary I got it! Now I got 6 pips in legendary, and won’t stop! The biggest issue is the legendary solo thieves, rarely they are good, or help in team fights. PvP is team fight not 1vs1, every idiot can 1vs1 or 2vs2, but to play a strategy/tactic, they can’t, that’s why you are all in emerald/sapphire, no matter how good you are in 1vs1, the biggest problem is to know were to be, and why, who to support, how to flag someone, res someone, and I think you are trash at it!
And yes, there are trash players in legendary too, that’s why there are x7 x11 legendary players!
Tell me again about playing against pro players/teams, you never done it, trust me! I think with my legendary x1 I’m a normal player, who still has learning to do! And you at emerald and sapphire are world class, please tell me more!

Do the pros play ranked? Didn’t they have to go through amber-emerald-sapphire-ruby-diamond-legendary and on and on? Didn’t they start at the same time as everyone else? Didn’t these lowly pvp scrubs get their sweet little pvp faces bashed in? I was there. I saw it. It wasn’t pretty. And now they all have brain damage. So be nice to scrubs, it was on there faces that you climbed to your upper-middle-elite spot in the pvp ladder of greatness. I’m stoked i finally got to saphire so kitten off!

**mic drop

Days 1 and 2 of the season were hardly a level playing field or fair. Why didn’t anyone warn us solo quers that pushing the enter button those days would tank our mmrs/win/loss ratios. Many pro teams of 4 blew thru on ts, synced, coordinated builds, rerolls up the wazoo (while many learned for the first time that you could even reroll and should) while our teams consisted of 100% soloers, many on vanilla builds or brand new to pvp cuz they were on free alt accts, not on ts w/ only 1 char to play so reroll not an option) and other ridiculous kitten.

Hardly a level playing field. Why didn’t ppl tell ppl not to play, and to let the premades level up quickly against themselves. If I had just waited a week to play, or even 3 days, I am sure I would have had the win train experience so many ppl at the top r so happy w/ rt now. The loss logjam I experienced at emerald was very real and was definitely the result of a skewed system, and nothing else.

And btw, all of you at the top w/ easy breezy rides to the top ought to think before you blast ppl stuck at the bottom. Having a loss streak of 65 or more consecutive losses is not even mathematically possible w/o a skewed system, and having to experience that phenomenon is very demoralizing. Making the players feel bad with your words on top of the system punishing them in addition to their possible bad skill or bad luck or bad teammates or w/e exigencies led to a long losing streak makes people quit the game, and everyone suffers.

Please stop being so mean (not directing this to post to which I am replying) to all of u out there who r so callous and indifferent to the very real frustration and demoralization many ppl are experiencing for the first time in gw pvp history (and needlessly too, for no good reason except ambitious but over-generalized software coding).

You mmr hell deniers all just wish your easy breezy rides to the top were truly indicative of your personal skill. That might be true. But it just as easily might be total bs, and like you all always say to me, maybe I’m not as good a player as I thought I was, and maybe, neither r u. Maybe ur not as good as u think u r and ur high div placement is not really indicative of ur skill (which explains ruby, diamond and legend blow outs).[/quote]

You can grind your way in to ruby… which sounds like is exactly what you did…. so yes you probably belong in ruby.[/quote]

Ive been pvping more than 14 yrs on gw (my primary thing to do on both games) and since beta on both. I’m hardly a noob or a newbie to gw pvp. I didn’t grind to my 54% win loss ratio last season (began seas 2 at this level) any more than u did. I have had a much easier time going thru ruby than I ever did thru emerald. And btw, it was an absolutely horrible, demoralizing experience being stuck solo q in emerald w. players who were brand new or clueless or vanilla against, many times, premades synced on ts quickly on their way to legend at my expense.

I will say this to u. If this system proves I was stuck in emerald, cuz I suck cuz my losses only begat me more losses (losers are paired with losers against winners), and now I’m in ruby only cuz I did nothing but grind, and I need to face reality that I am not as good a player as I thought I was, then I would say that the same system should make you realize that your wins got you more wins (winners are paired with winners against losers) and your easy short grind to wherever you are should make you realize that perhaps you are not as good a player as you think you are just cuz you are in an upper division with a winning train ride ticket to the top.

So um, yah w/e.

I love how people at the top got their cuz they’re good, but those of us stuck at the bottom for w/e reason eventually got to the top, not cuz we’re good but because, and only because we stuck it out via grinding and eventually got there via luck or carry or persistence or w/e (things this new system was specifically designed to negate). LOL

Face it bud, if the system reveals I’m not that good, it also reveals ur just not that good either.

Its not a game bug. Its not an official skill. It happens a lot. Its been caught on video. Guess what it is?