Actually, you are showing the rest of the servers that your argument isn’t valid.
You know why the admins won’t manually verify you.
Also, I am not sure about the BG team speak setup, but at least one other server established their TS to auto kick people when their API showed they moved to another server. This prevented them from getting verified and leaving while still being in the TS.
It made the admins job a little easier. Heaven forbid.
Well they advertise that they manually verify and everyone on here says they do and when u ask they refuse lol.
That may be true. If may also be true that they are refusing only you?
Friendly and kind. Why would he even want to play with people who say stuff like this? Must be the friendly community everyone always protests about.
As above, if u don’t like me block me if u need a safe space.
As above, I am silent when I play, unless someone has done something egregiously unfair or in extreme violation of COC/TOS.
The problem is widespread – I was bombarded with pms in support from ppl being harassed/made fun of on TS/precluded for class/builds/wrong foods/utils/the ubiquitous no TS (in half full squads this makes no sense as a requirement – helpful tool yes, exclusionary unreasonable demand no).
Put up with me? I’m already on the map playing with u. I’m already in TC/say/MC. Squad chat is the hair that broke the camel’s back? lol. buttercups.
If u don’t like what I say block me if u need to.
Not every person feels the need to block. Most can handle trolling and legitimate complaints. Mine r legit complaints.
Also, when did it become official Anet position that tc/mc/squad chat/say r reserved in wvw for callouts only? Never saw that posted anywhere.
They don’t want to play with me. Too bad = they already are – I’m in the zerg on same map in mc/tc/say. I bought the game just like them. The reverse is true too – I may not like them, yet am forced to join the only squad available, full of people I may not like or may feel the need to block. In my personal case, none of that is true. There are many people in wvw I like and get along with quite well and I never block anyone or feel the need to and also simply don’t care if ppl like me or don’t. Not out to make friends – I’m out to play the game and win.
Don’t want to figure it out. Just want to change it if I can. Will continue to complain.
I am doing something about it.
Don’t need to make amends. What did I do? Complain that the requirement of TS as to a deaf person w/ several reasons preventing them from using a 3rd party app to play the game is unreasonable is something I should apologize for? Remember, I did not throw the first insult or the first trail of tears vitriol.
Lots of people don’t have a negative impression of me, and are supportive of what I’m doing. So what?
Believe me, I know quite well how to play outside of squads. I especially love rebuilding SM and killing critters for xp. However, Y do ppl think they have the right to force me to do that, when it doesn’t help server and I (and others) am being forcibly precluded from playing the main featured/advertised content of 1/3 of the game?
Roaming is for gankers. Not a ganker type. Sorry. Don’t have the build/armor set up for it and no desire to do it either.
I play all aspects of gw 2 and have since beta. But ur not gonna force me to pvp or pve just cuz ur on wvw and in squad and u don’t want me to be there. That’s a violation of COC/TOS. U cant force me into pve or another game. sorry
Also, what’s the expense of others? What expense? How exactly r u hurt by my complaints?
The more you describe the situation, the more it sounds like you’ve been a pain in the ass to the point that people don’t want to play with you. That you want Anet to force them to play with you is you seeking to force yourself on those people at their expense.
I’m not personally impacted by any of it, though what you’re calling for would, once again, lead other people to thrust themselves on other squads. It would also create a great tool by which people could troll entire squads without recourse.
Whats the expense again? – we are already there playing on the same map with u for/on the same team. No forcing of any kind, in or out of squad, its the same thing – we are already forced to play together as anet intended in creating a team environment.
If u don’t like me – block me if u need a safe space. Same in or out of squad.
Trolling? I have never trolled anyone. I am upset about a problem. I was reasonable. I asked politely. I complained. That’s it.
The recourse to trollers? Block em. See above. Not a reason to exclude.
lest we all forget – this is happening to lots of players -broad scale exclusion of whole classes/builds/newbies/etc.
LOL. Ive been silent in wvw for 2 years. Silent – no talk at all. Isnt that evidence? Idk who else to turn to but the boss at this point – the kiddies don’t seem to know how to play nice.
I impact on others’ enjoyment of the game? O, I get it – they can impact my enjoyment all day long, excluding me from squad cuz I’m deaf (yes, that was original cause for no invite – can’t be on TS) for hrs on end days on end maps on end – and I’m supposed to just go away, shut up, uninstall so u can enjoy ur game play? Um. No.
Squads have made it quite clear they don’t like me, both with vitriol and exclusionary tactics. My posts in forum are in response to what cmdrs/squad leaders did, and how squad leaders/members reacted to my initial polite inquiries/complaints.
Remember, I did not go on TC to complain until I’d already received escalating insults cuz I was persistent, asking multiple times to be let in, explaining I was deaf, explaining I had several reasons preventing me from accessing TS. Nearly instantly, I was insulted, told to shut up, told to go away, and made fun of. Also, please remember, the length of my rant on TC matched exactly the length of time the cmdr/squad monopolized the map (1 cmdr per map) and excluded me for no legit reason. The rest of the vitriolic insults came from others FIRST.
I chose to react by not slinking away or shutting up. I chose to make community aware of a problem, both on TC and here, as is my right – which Anet endorses players to do. My posts have been polite/positive, unless someone posts a nasty insult, and then I react (just like in TC). I am polite/silent unless I react to people who initiate vitriol against me.
You say that you’ve been silent for two years, but you’ve also said that you “have always been invited/allowed until just recently” and that people don’t like you.
Those statements seem to be in conflict with each other, which is why you should make some effort to find out what’s really happening rather than calling on Anet to solve your problems for you at the expense of other people.
That you’re now claiming that you’re being excluded because you’re deaf is, based on your own statements about being able to join squads until recently, people not liking you, etc., a crock of kitten. TS is no more a requirement now for squads than it has been before – some commanders require it and others don’t. Yet your claim is that no commanders let you in their squads, whereas before they did.
Anet’s not going to solve your problem here, and nor should they. It’s up to you to solve your problem and, so far, it looks like you don’t even intend to figure out what your problem actually is.
Let me spell it out for u – I was silent. Many newer people in squad did not even know me cuz Ive not spoken in yrs – they had no basis to not like me – including the people that first day in control of excluding me.
I complained about the exclusion. I persisted. They insulted me. I reacted. Over much time, and many postings/“explanations”/defenses/disingenuity, many eventually admitted (just like the post I responded to) that they just didn’t like me because I had complained about the punitive nature of the exclusion on forum and TC.
Hence, my conclusion that the reason now for the recent slew of closed squads excluding me on my server (as has been confirmed in vitriol many times over) is that they don’t like me because I complained and didn’t just eat it and go away and it is a concerted effort to preclude me because I complained.
NO conflict. No contradiction. Evolution.
Also, what’s the expense of others? What expense? How exactly r u hurt by my complaints?
I think anet should get involved and fix it.
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So why, again, exactly, does no one want to play with me?
Here’s the “reasonable” explanations given for exclusions in order received/evolved:
U can’t be on TS – true that – so what – squad not full
Just go on TS and pretend u can hear – humiliating for me for personal reasons – if its not for others great – but really? this is a solution?
Life’s not fair – buck up buttercup – u really think a deaf person needs to be “advised” on growing a thick skin? lol
U can’t follow tag – um, really? – its a zerg blob of dots lol (I can follow cmdr quite well when I want to)
U don’t get special treatment – never asked for it – don’t need typemand, don’t need anything – just want to play in squad
Go play another map -I waited in que, other maps had ques, I had boosters/food popped
Go play with another cmdr on map – there weren’t any
Go play another game mode (pve/pvp) – no, I like wvw and play it regularly
Go play another game – really? Mean! Violates COC! Ask yourself why?
U have no right to play everything in wvw – I am, by your own admission, being precluded from playing the main featured/advertised content of wvw (running w/ cmdr-led squads) on all maps – its 1/3 of the game and I paid just like u to play
Its the same thing if ur in squad or out – we all know that’s disingenuous – I don’t get buffs/protections/rezes/xp/loot – but it sounds so “reasonable” and “earnest”
U cant play noob – go back to pve, u suck – um, no (but ok, I respect their opinions)
Go get ur own tag – cant and don’t want to
Cmdr has legit reasons for exclusion – many were given, some might apply if squads were full or guild runs, but not to prime time partial full 1 cmdr on map scenarios
Cmdr has 100% right to exclude – there is a kick button, but that doesn’t mean it should be used to discriminatorily exclude/abuse players – I don’t think anet intends that or wants that – I see no language in COC/TOS/kick mechanics explanations/instructions that grant that “right”
Its cmdr right to do whatever he/she wants – really? not sure about that – and if that’s true, I’m trying to change that (sorry u don’t like my opinion/attempts to change it)
Ur not a vet – ur not serious enuf – yawn – been playing gw 1 and 2 since betas regularly on same server for years – in fact longer than most players
Ur always complaining (before this incident I haven’t spoken in wvw for 2 years)
U die too much – O, that problem got much better once I was forced out of squad protections (I play zerk – no one objects to all the loot/kills they get from my play – which btw u still benefit from my play when I am out of squad cuz I do so much damage – but I don’t receive protections/buffs/xp/loot from yours – nice)
U went about complaining all wrong (really? if being polite/reasonable is the wrong way to do things, I’m not sure what’s left in the world – remember- I did not go on TC or here til I received vitriol in response to my reasonable, polite requests to join and for legit explanations re: exclusion)
U rant and that’s unforgiveable (really? there aren’t worse things in the world than complaining to make people aware of a problem/attempting to effectuate changes a few snobs might not like)
We’re nice, and reasonable and ur not – laughable on so many levels I don’t know where to begin – I never initiated vitriol – I reacted (rarely to same extent) in kind
We’re mean girls and we don’t like u and that’s our right to exclude anyone we don’t want to play with – ur already playing with me – its a team; I’m on same map already; if u don’t like me, block me (what’s not to like? – I’m silent when I play unless I see gross injustice or game play in extreme violation of anet rules)
Now – u have a bad attitude – I have a lovely attitude actually (I’m the original unique delicate snowflake – a wonderfully feminine thing to love)
What’s next? I cant wait to find out
Maybe instead of attacking me and mischaracterizing the events that led up to my whining/complaining behavior (obviously the worst possible behavior a human can engage in, cuz so annoying, and annoying is so much worse than being prejudicial or mean) – u should all look at the behaviors assailed against me and ask why its ok for that behavior to stand and that we should all just suck it up and let it ride and go away in silence so u can enjoy ur game play
Really, I don’t know why I’m not being allowed to play. Sounds like broad scale conspiracy to exclude in support of arbitrary mean-spirited game play which is harsh and disadvantageous to new players, players, squad, server, game mode, and game.
False. I have always wanted to play in squads and always have played in squads (never havoc/solo roam) and have always been invited/allowed until just recently. Remember the squad function is relatively new to wvw and the kick/closed function even newer Also, I do not care about the loot at all. I play cuz I love it (altho it appears to be a primary motivator for OP – and what’s wrong with that? Everyone likes their shinies!)..
So why do all of the commanders on your sever suddenly not want you in their squads anymore?
I don’t know, why?
That’s something for you to figure out. If you were able to get in squads before, and now nobody wants you in theirs, then you should find out why instead of calling on Anet to make people play with you.
Afaik, none of the commanders you’re talking about have posted their points of view on this. But, based on things you’ve said “they don’t like me”, you “have always been invited/allowed until just recently”, plus your general attitude on this forum, I’d imagine you’ve been a bit of a kitten in those squads and so now people don’t want to play with you.
Put another way, you’ve provided enough evidence here to suggest that, perhaps, you’ve been impacting on other peoples’ enjoyment of the game and so now they don’t want you in their squads. That’s not bullying, that’s consequence and personal accountability.
LOL. Ive been silent in wvw for 2 years. Silent – no talk at all. Isnt that evidence? Idk who else to turn to but the boss at this point – the kiddies don’t seem to know how to play nice.
I impact on others’ enjoyment of the game? O, I get it – they can impact my enjoyment all day long, excluding me from squad cuz I’m deaf (yes, that was original cause for no invite – can’t be on TS) for hrs on end days on end maps on end – and I’m supposed to just go away, shut up, uninstall so u can enjoy ur game play? Um. No.
Squads have made it quite clear they don’t like me, both with vitriol and exclusionary tactics. My posts in forum are in response to what cmdrs/squad leaders did, and how squad leaders/members reacted to my initial polite inquiries/complaints.
Remember, I did not go on TC to complain until I’d already received escalating insults cuz I was persistent, asking multiple times to be let in, explaining I was deaf, explaining I had several reasons preventing me from accessing TS. Nearly instantly, I was insulted, told to shut up, told to go away, and made fun of. Also, please remember, the length of my rant on TC matched exactly the length of time the cmdr/squad monopolized the map (1 cmdr per map) and excluded me for no legit reason. The rest of the vitriolic insults came from others FIRST.
I chose to react by not slinking away or shutting up. I chose to make community aware of a problem, both on TC and here, as is my right – which Anet endorses players to do. My posts have been polite/positive, unless someone posts a nasty insult, and then I react (just like in TC). I am polite/silent unless I react to people who initiate vitriol against me.
Good changes. Those who complain should now start learning how to tag and actually play WvW instead of just brainless WSAD+1111111111111111111111
But what if they just go bye bye from game? Or quit guard and u get zero support? Will u cry then – no stab (etc support), I want my stab, I want my stab now! Wah
No loot, no support.
Positive change. It isn’t 2013. Move your guardian up on tag where you can more effectively provide support, mitigate AOE damage and screen the tag.
Don’t want to offer any support to anyone now from midrange cuz, um, I cant kill from there so why would I want to support from there?
Why would I play front line and move around a whole bunch, change up my build, trash my Bifrost or keep it and only heal/defend/support with a non-melee weapon? Too much work for no loot.
Nah me and my friends just gonna switch to loot necros, loot bows, loot flame throwers, etc. Lootstick? lololololol bye bye support – its already happening as we speak!
Roaming in wvw in 2017?
Well then, move on from my other suggestions as well! And let people play! Happiness for all!
I love it! New fresh intrigue/tactics/exploits to deal with! We’re gonna get fresh new ideas and players into wvw if it kills us!
I love this!
Now, if only we could solve the problem of people being booted from squads for arbitrary/exclusionary reasons and forced to run alongside the squad in zerg not getting punished as a result as to xp/loot/buffs/rezes and instead sharing with the squad rewards/protections/buffs/rezes (squad gets benefit of my heavy zerk damage when I am in zerg but out of squad, but I get no benefit from the measly damage of 15 people in squad also hitting my walloped/downed target when I am forced out of squad cuz I can’t meet the minimum threshold for protections/buffs/xp/loot against the combined total of their contributions to the kill).
lol. Maybe he couldn’t get into squad? Or doesn’t like TS? Maybe this is his way of “participating” in defiance of rigid squad entry requirements. Don’t really see too much of an issue.
False. I have always wanted to play in squads and always have played in squads (never havoc/solo roam) and have always been invited/allowed until just recently. Remember the squad function is relatively new to wvw and the kick/closed function even newer Also, I do not care about the loot at all. I play cuz I love it (altho it appears to be a primary motivator for OP – and what’s wrong with that? Everyone likes their shinies!)..
So why do all of the commanders on your sever suddenly not want you in their squads anymore?
I don’t know, why?
One would even think the squad leaders on Black Gate read the forums, and specifically don’t want certain people to join due to their attitudes. That’s 100% within their rights. Unless they are harassing you…. leave them alone.
Where does the TOS/COC or kick function say cmdrs have 100% “right” to exclude people from squads due to their attitudes (I.e. – “we don’t like u, go away”)? O u mean cuz they can push an available button? I don’t agree. Just cuz they can push the button to exclude people for mean prejudicial reasons doesn’t mean they should, and it certainly doesn’t mean Anet endorses it or meant for that simple function to be utilized to ostracize people.
And lest u all forget, the exclusionary behavior as well as the initial vitriol came from the squad leaders in control of the button pushing in the first place – I never initiated the bad attitude – I reacted to it. But now, somehow I have the bad rep? LOL (And btw – I have never spewed the kind of vitriol against anyone in squad or here that has been spewed against me – and why, cuz in my instance, as a deaf person unable to use the "required"TS I said it was unfair to get booted – which squad leaders/members then escalated into a nasty insult fest?).
Yah, I can see why I would have a such a bad rep that no squad should want to play with me. Guess I better go home now tuck tail and hope they all leave me alone.
I think u all missed the OP’s point – when he proposed the original pip acquisition was too steep/difficult to attain – most players agreed/supported – but strangely, there were scads of vets in here complaining vociferously that it should not be changed and it should be really hard to get ur pip acquisition! However, now that the pip rewards have been shortened, no one is complaining – everyone is happy, including all the formerly disgruntled (O No Don’t Change It!) vets. So why all the protest/condemnation in the first place? How were they hurt? O that’s right, they weren’t – no one was! So the nasty “anti-pip-increase” backlash/resistance was not only nonsensical, it was always an attack without substance. They’re not in here now complaining about all the “harsh” net effects to them post change. I would say it was hypocritical, but I think it may have a nastier component to it.
Or they could just change tagging mechanics and then a huge section of the population wouldn’t care if they were in a squad.
False. Tagging mechanics have been the same for years now and no one cared about being in squad before the new UI was introduced. It’s pretty obvious the shiny UI is the reason people want so badly to be in squads now.
False. I have always wanted to play in squads and always have played in squads (never havoc/solo roam) and have always been invited/allowed until just recently. Remember the squad function is relatively new to wvw and the kick/closed function even newer Also, I do not care about the loot at all. I play cuz I love it (altho it appears to be a primary motivator for OP – and what’s wrong with that? Everyone likes their shinies!)..
Or they could just change tagging mechanics and then a huge section of the population wouldn’t care if they were in a squad. It’s pretty funny seeing so many commanders require so many things to join a squad and then they blame their failures on the fact that a lot of people don’t want to join there squads…. gee I wonder why lol.
Also good commanders never hear any complaints from me, and they know the value of an experienced player. Petty commanders exclude and require all sorts of nonsense and then exclude exceptional players when they get their feelings hurt.
Many times I’ve seen commanders have closed squads and requirements to join, and they lose tons of fights against evenly matched zergs, and then blame it on people who won’t meet there requirements (be in there guild, be in TS). Finally they leave and one good commander comes on, has open squad and no requirement and we wipe zergs 2-3x’s our size. It never ceases to amuse me.
I agree, altho I have to say for me personally, I don’t care at all about the loot – that’s not why I want to be in squad, so changing the tagging mechanics or giving away all my earned loot would not be an issue for me. I am much more concerned with and enjoy getting the protections of the squad and working as a team to win.
However, I have seen the exact same phenomenon. I watched a commander the other nite run a part full squad in ebg. We lost for the 3 hrs he/she ran the squad (only cmdr on). After 3 hrs his “squad” was down to 5, and there were more people simply skirmishing near SM than in his squad and all the skirmishers were great players. This type of attrition and monopolization of the closed partial-squad function for hours on end in prime time with ques, excluding great players and causing people frustration and hurting the squad/server is counter-productive.
Also, everyone always ignores the fact that if I’m running necro zerk I’m doing a lot of damage – the squad gets the benefits of my multi target downs/kills (and if I die I’m only 1 guy), but I don’t get the benefits of squads damage. Think about it if I do 5000 damage to 5 targets, and 15 players in squad each do 500 damage to the same targets – they all benefit from my massive damage, but I may not get any xp because I have not met the invisible threshold of damage required to beat out the cumulative damage of the 15 players in squad. So think about it – I do damage and squad gets my xp/loot bags (cuz I did so much damage), but I may get nothing from my own damage (and I may die more cuz I have no buffs/protections/targeted heals), cuz I do not get the benefits of the 15 players accumulated damage in the form of xp.
Its not fair and its definitely not nice – especially when the squad is not full and we are all there on the same map taking one for the team gipper.
It’s fine the way it is.
If you can’t get into a squad, make your own. If you can’t make a squad, make a party. If nobody wants to be in your party, go solo.
WvW isn’t supposed to be an easy-mode loot fest.
Likely these commander are locking their squads to prevent players that aren’t contributing to the tactics of the fight, and are not wanting players that are just concerned about rewards.
If u r forced to go solo because of mean girl tactics by squads/cmdrs u r being deprived of most of the main featured content of the wvw game mode, one third of the entire game u purchased. Also, u r then running solo w/o benefits of squad, like buffs/heals/rezes/loot/xp. SO then basically, ur entire WvW experience is completely different from the game mode as advertised – no where does anyone say wvw is unique fun and rewarding cuz u get to run long distances in borderline maps by yourself after waiting in hours long ques and popping food/boosters w/. ur zerg constructed build/armor to get picked off by those with gank builds not allowed in any other game mode. Hmmmmm. And all because some commander/squad is a mean girl and doesn’t like u or has some other “reason” which might make sense if the squad was full, but its open – theres plenty of space and everyone benefits if u join squad.
How does it help to boot a person to solo status who is not equipped to deal with that – he will die more, hurting the server. How does this help? Especially when admitting that person to the non-full squad would protect him more (causing less death) and giving the squad the advantage of his tailored zerg build.
Easy mode loot fest? Seems to me that any vet player like OP knows enuf about wvw to know how to play and that wvw is not an easy loot fest, and if it is, its prolly cuz of vets like OP. Seems to me the squad is benefitting from ANY wvw vet since even if they’re dying, which OP rarely does from my observations of him/her, they are prolly killing way more than defensive builds or newer players – for which the squad is benefitting via loot bags.
OP, please help me understand your logic,
because I honestly don’t understand why people that obviously are looking for zergs don’t just get on TS/Discord/Find a guild/Do whatever it is necessary to actually help YOURSELF and help YOUR server get better results.
Commanders exclude people from squads when they don’t get on TS because then people don’t know when to pop their buffs or when they should be going right or left.
Guilds exclude people from squad because they don’t want pugs running around not knowing what to do and when because they’re trying to create Organism .
Why do pugs insist on playing suboptimally? you’re screwing your server and your teammates, it’s stuff like this that hold a server back
LOL.
Makes sense if the squad is full. However, the last 2 weeks I’ve yet to see a single full squad. If there are spots open and people wanting to join, they should be allowed cuz ur arguments simply do not apply to partial full squads. Think about it. The pugs are there on the map already, doing their own thing, running alongside squad in zerg (or roaming, etc.). If they want to join squad, and you let them in, whether they keep right on playing exactly the same way, w/o TS, everyone, squad included/server included benefits – i.e. – all/more get buffs/targeted heals/rezes/protections, kills, loot, xp.
I see that certain things were addressed in latest patch – still nothing on guard staff No. 1 skill. Is there no hope there will be modification? Is it time to switch to longbow?
LOOOOL, This was great! I had tears from laughing so much <3 Thank you for posting this hahaha
Ur welcome.
Ur post proves my point. U think my concern for the game/players/myself at being excluded from playing featured content is soo funny. Just great. Nice constructive response. What’s next?
@eater
Ur not gonna win any friends with that kind of argument.I mean by that logic, we should be able to force players to play a certain way as well. There are games that “do” that. It almost mimicks a real life military kinda thing where the developers sets the rules, and you as a community have to find ways to work together with people you may or may not like to abide by them. i.e. you all play for ppt; you have to join a squad; upon joining the commander barks an order and you have to follow it or you get punished by the game in some way.
This would be a development choice made by the developers. They have not made this choice though for wvsw, so its up to the community to decide how they play. If ur community doesn’t play the way you want them to…..change it or find another, simple as that. You will be hardpressed to find one existing that does this, more than likely u will have to start ur own.
lol? Aren’t we saying the same thing?
Ur on a server playing as a team. U r forced into the same map w/ players u don’t like. U must work together. Anet set it up that way. They make the rules. They can also unmake them/change them. U have to find a way to work w/ people u don’t like for the greater good of the team/server. Take one for the gipper. U all play for pts/bags/xp, etc. U join the squad and the cmdr barks orders at u. We are in agreement.
However, if u enter map and u try to do all those things, like the game is set up for u to do, but one or more players arbitrarily blocks u from doing it as designed, that is unfair exclusionary and punitive.
U all seem to be forgetting that all of ur arguments, which might arguably make sense or might be convincing if the squad was full, simply do not apply in the scenario I am objecting to.
It does not matter if u like me – I am on the map playing beside u in or out of squad (if I bug u, block me or do w/e u like, but either way in or out of squad – u r forced to “play w/ me” – think high school baseball – I may be the last kid picked for the team, but I’m in the class/school already and I get to play and not be forced to sit on the bus and watch, or cheerlead endlessly till the captain of the squad feels benevolent – or worse, when he/she finally realizes that there’s no other players left to pick).
The squad performs better if I am in squad than out cuz I can target heals, receive buffs, etc. I perform better and die less (hence helping squad/server/team) if I am in squad than out.
If the squad is not full, it does not matter if I am running in circles, afk, picking my nose or whatever cuz there are still spots open for all others who want to join. And if I am out of squad doing those exact same behaviors there is no net difference to squad/team/server. However, if I want to play, and play earnestly and well, I will play better and survive better and help better if I am in squad than out, and the squad/team/server performs better as well.
See – “wah wah, its my squad I want to be a mean girl and exclude ppl from the club” types of arguments help no one. All of the seemingly reasonable justifications for a closed squad simply do not apply when the squad is not full, its prime time, the same squad has monopolized a map for hours on end and they are the only squad on map. People do whatever they do on the map in or out of squad, and if the squad is not full, people who want to join should be allowed to join. As a cmdr, u r representing ur server. Set an example. Be the heart of a truly friendly community.
And btw – I’m not here to win friends – I’m here to get anet to intervene to help with exclusionary punitive treatment of players by squads/cmdrs with access to a kick mechanic.
I don’t think they should allow private “invite only” squads in wvw. Granted that does penalize guilds who want to do GvG activities, but I think they should already have their own game mode at this point since its called “Guild Wars.” Either way, I don’t think wvw should allow private tags, or the ability to kick people who want to join it.
Then guilds will run without a squad, like we did before we even had squads. Your argument is pointless as you cant stop this. Anet have themselves drawn the line at hiding the tag when using the squad function, but they wont dictate how people play.
True you cant stop a group of people from grouping together and following one another in private parties, but at least this change to squads, would show that anet is taking a stance on it.
Currently it’s ridiculous when you get a squad that is 32/50 “TS” only and you have a ton of people not in squad or balanced parties following along, that aren’t allowed in. They become easy targets and help to rez enemy downed players because they have no party support.
Then go find a PUGmander that has no squad requirements. Squads go closed for a variety of reasons.
>Some commanders/guilds do not want to run 50/50, and blob around.
>Some commanders/guilds prefer to only fight “comped” rather than catch as catch can.
>There are many other reasons, but the point is that ANet cannot and will not try to force guilds/commanders to include everyone.Well you would think anet would make a stance and implement this change, since so many commanders are out of control with this type of exclusionary behavior, specifically in wvw, and likewise in wvw where being a raid group really matters, as opposed to other game modes.
Also, I dunno how you know what anet will and won’t do, unless you work for them, and there is no harm in my suggestion anyways.
It goes back to choice. No one should be forced to share a squad or allow someone in a squad.
If squad chat, team chat etc are being used to bully someone, then screenshot and report.
If it is in TS or Discord, it’s a third party program that Anet won’t enforce, but the third party one might.
Why shouldn’t they be forced to “share” a squad? Didn’t realize squad was a commodity to be shared. Prior to squads, the same zergs were running the same maps w/o cmdrs or TS.
People are forced to accommodate people all the time (think segregation, disabled, etc.). In this game, in wvw game mode, u r already “forced” by anet to share the server with me whether I am in squad with u or not. I am on the map with u. I am already there. Get it? U r already forced to share the map with me.
Also, y shouldn’t they be forced to allow ppl in squad? What’s the rationale for that? Especially when ur already, according to most of the naysayers on here, playing alongside me as I run alongside the zerg, and “its the same thing” (so I should just go run alongside). Similarly, y shouldn’t I just join squad? Especially since I would be helped, the squad would be helped (remember, the squad is NOT FULL), the server would be helped and the game would be helped. Also, if its just because u don’t like me – that is exclusionary bullying (my point exactly) – and u won’t like me whether I’m in squad or not or whether I’m running alongside u out of squad or running alongside u in squad. If u don’t want to hear my callouts/chat block me (in squad or out). If u just want to punish me (deprive me of buffs/xp/bags) that is punitive (my point again) and Anet should not allow it as it is not good sportsmanship and hurts the community and game.
Oh I remember the OP. He’s the same guy who hi-jacked another thread discussing about commanders kicking some classes. He basically said the same things he did here and cried “bullying” but was BTFO by his own servermates because of the tirade of insults he said on mapchat which lasted for hours.
Deja Vu.
1) I don’t remember “hi-jacking” any thread – I posted a few posts on a few threads a few months ago – just like u and everyone else. Unlike consistent posts that are essentially nothing more than “wah wah wah we want what we want cuz we’re us and we’re special and its our game our rules our rights our prejudices our elite choices,” I haven’t been in these forums for months. I try to post cogent, thoughtful posts about game mechanics that I think have gone astray or are being used in ways that Anet never intended as in my opinion I think this hurts the game and player base.
Just because u don’t like what I’m saying and it appears to be upsetting somehow to some principle you have, doesn’t mean I hijacked anything. I am entitled to post here just like u and that is what I did back then and did again now. And btw, the practice hasn’t stopped – in fact, its gotten worse.
2) Its not the same topic though it is similar and does have some of the same overlapping complaints because of the same overlapping abuses by squads/cmdrs.
3) Cmdrs kicking entire classes from squads/game play/featured content is the same type of exclusionary bad behavior that should not be tolerated in a partially-full only-squad-in-town situation. Eliminating entire classes from running with squads (an advertised feature, and arguably the MAIN feature of WvW content) for hours on end when people have paid for the game and waited in ques and popped boosters etc. is not fair, not right, not nice and Anet needs to take a look at this hurtful practice cuz its hurting players/servers/game modes/game play/community interaction and game.
4) In my earlier posts on the exclusionary squad topic, I did not post people were being bullying (unless in passing as an adjective emphasis in support of the gist of a particular reply post) – I posted they were being elitist and exclusionary. Please don’t misquote – I welcome you to re-review my earlier posts and stop mischaracterizing what I said. I know what I said and what was meant/emphasized.
5) I don’t ever remember being BTFO by anyone here in forums or in game. In fact, just like in this thread the bulk of arguments against my point of view come down to this: It’s my party and I’ll do what I want to. To which, I respond, it’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to.
FYI I was silent after my last thread/posts several months because 99% of the time I am silent in game and I am rarely in these forums- however, I do come in here and in game TC/MC when I see really egregious behavior occurring. And frankly, I’m at the point where bullying and support of bullying in wvw squads has gotten out of hand and disruptive and has made me feel it would helpful if I came in here and requested Anet look into the situation and determine if a fix for the problem can and should be implemented.
6) I never engaged in a tirade of insults in the earlier similar situation – in fact, just the reverse is true. For the entire day and for days after I spoke up in TC people pmed me and spoke in chat to me and about me. They kept it up in TC (to which I responded) for as long as cmdr kept running the closed squad for hours on end. I also heard from numerous people in squads that I was the topic of hours long insult/degrading joke fests on TS because I protested that I was denied entry to a squad because, and specifically because (at that time), I was deaf (yes, I am still deaf) and could not access TS (which the cmdr and squad controllers/police were specifically apprised of by me in advance of my complaining on TC).
Apparently, if ur on a map (whether in squad or out) you cannot criticize cmdrs for anything ever. If u do, u have apparently sent out an invitation for a barrage of disgusting hate speech, some of which may even be legally actionable, never mind reportable. I prefer to post here and on TC. I believe anet should know about potentially belligerent and needlessly punitive behavior that effectively excludes people from game play and main featured content because as to the situation I am complaining about, the arguments against me make no sense/do not apply (the exclusionary squad is not full and is the only squad in town with nowhere else to go on my server.
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What exactly would you like to see changed about squad policy? By the sounds of it, you’d like to see all squads open invite/join and no one has the power to kick anyone else.
Assuming that is the hope of this thread and it were implemented, what would happen with the case of say trolls, bigots, general nussiances, afkers, spies and the host of other unsavory players that grace the bls? No one would have the power to kick them or stop them from joining in the first place, the commander could re-create a new squad but be forced into the same situation each time.
Just wondering, what system you think could possibly be implemented that prevents bullying on the one hand, allows a commander control of his/her squad and doesn’t enforce bullying on the other hand?
Thanks for being interested in a solution. Much appreciated!
I think if there is only 1 commander on a map and the squad is not approaching fullness (say less than 45/50), the not invite function should be disabled. The squad should be open. Once full or if a guild only (with only members of the guild – not other guild “invites”), then the invite only function becomes available.
If more than one tag (with minimum of 5 players in each tag) is available on a map, then the invite only function can be available to the commander who has been on the map the longest, and as new ones join, the next longest commander, etc..
As to kick function, there should be auto kick if u r afk for more than 10 mins (or whatever Anet prefers). If a commander wants to kick for other reasons, such as inappropriate chat/behavior – a warning given, then a screen shot taken or report made and then the kick. Sometimes people engage in behavior or speak in ways they don’t realize are offensive – so a warning would be nice, tho perhaps optional.
If players are engaging in abusive talk in squad they should be booted provided it is legit, and someone in squad reports it/screenshots it. If it happens verbally in TS, then they should be booted from TS, but not necessarily squad, unless they repeat it or say more/different abusive language by typing it in squad/say/TC, etc.
Anet has a solution for people who are abusive in game. It is the report function. It would operate in the same manner in a half full squad when a commander wants to kick a player for being disruptive/abusive in violation of Anet TOS.
As to spies, I do not have any idea what a commander or anyone can do with them with or without kick/no invite function.
I do not suggest that these suggestions are perfect/without flaw – I just thought them up on the spot. I am sure something could be concocted with a little thought along these lines that would be easy to implement to prevent abuse by squads/commanders yet providing them with freedom to do as they please when full/guild/multi commanders, etc.) and to prevent abuse/afkers.
I am here and would welcome any thoughtful suggestions as to how to curb this egregious hurtful behavior that is hurting the game and players for no legit reasons cept being exclusionary/mean. Its like licensing “mean girls” behavior and everyone gets on board to say yah, its ok, looks ok to me cuz he/she is the boss. The boss is not always right and should not always be respected when engaging in behavior that is deliberately mean with no net positive effect to anything (in the circumstances I am complaining about per above).
This practice is prevalent on all servers/maps.
No it isn’t. You can’t possibly know without having an account on all servers.
It is. I can know.
I have friends all over the place in this game after 14 yrs on gw, and after my first posting on a topic similar to this one (complaining about mandatory TS) I got bombarded with pm/ in chat/ in game where people gave me their experiences and sent me screen shots and told me of specific conversations on TS relating to me and other friends, etc., or relating to their own negative exclusions for bullying reasons.
Also, I do not agree that transferring servers is a fix. It is not. That is avoidant. I could block in game too but that is avoidant as well. I don’t need safe spaces. I can be a buttercup all day long. That is not the point. Personal attacks and avoidance, leaving, deflection help nothing and don’t address the issue. What people think of me is not important and I will be on the map whether I am in squad or not, and people can hate me on the map when I play in squad or out. What I think personally of these commanders is also not the issue, nor have I stated my opinions in this regard in this post.
I don’t agree with the love it or leave it philosophy – I prefer love it or change it. So I will do my best.
Also, these commanders are not just playing the game same as me. They are insisting we all play the game their own way only or get off/shut up/get in TS/uninstall etc. Just because you buy a tag does not mean you should engage in discriminatory behavior that hurts players/game mode/game/server. Cmdrs have power in the game beyond the power players w/o tags have. They should not be allowed to use that power to preclude other players from playing advertised content/features.
When I am excluded from the only squad on the server on a map (or sometimes on all maps) and it is not a full squad or solo guild run and it is prime time and the commander (and bless their hearts, I do respect them and admire them) is running for 2-6 hours excluding people from advertised features of the game for that long it is prejudicial and mean and I am certain it is not an effect Anet intended as in their terms of service they state they do not want exclusionary types of behaviors as someone showed above.
I can choose who to play with, but when I buy a tag and run a squad that is not a guild run and it is not full, I should not be allowed to use that tag to bully and oust people from squad or pressure people to leave the server or the game mode or game.
I do not dispute their right to do it. I dispute their engaging in prejudicial behavior and ask Anet to at least look into precluding it since they continue to choose not to curtail it when they have no good reason for the behavior except to be bullying/prejudicial/discriminatory as there is no net positive effect for squad/anyone from making a mandatory requirement when squad is not full or excluding someone from a half-full squad when they want to join.
All of the posts in support of this practice simply seem to be supporting the right to be mean and elitist/exclusionary – to what net good effect? Really? Supporting the right to be mean?
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So… maybe this should go under the PvE section. WvW falls under that for most fixes.
And then it would also include Raids, which by nature are exclusionary. In fact, more so.
If there is evidence of bullying, is chat etc, then yes, that is against the TOS.
There is nothing in the TOS that entitle you to a spot in squads, nor should there be.
You HAVENT spent as much as the commander who purchased the tag.
You have chosen, and yes, because of your inability to hear, to not join TS.
As for the rest, again, if you have screenshots of bullying, submit them. I don’t want people like that playing either.
But just because they don’t want you in their group, that doesn’t make them bullies.
Wvw is not the same as raids – raids are open ended – wvw is closed system w/ limited maps/servers/squads so not analogous. Sorry.
I don’t care where this post goes – if it bothers everyone in wvw, don’t read it or post it in pve if it is apt there too.
I have not disputed a cmdrs right to exclude.
I only asked Anet review their policies and consider this behavior as behavior which should not to be encouraged/allowed, and perhaps fixed out of existence like so many other exclusionary behaviors on this game that have met oblivion because they were harmful to players and the game.
I don’t want to be a cmdr or purchase a tag as stated above.
Purchasing a tag does not mean you should engage in exclusionary behavior and does not mean others should support you when you do engage in prejudicial/discriminatory/mean behavior.
This isn’t about being deaf or TS. I have several reasons for being unable to join via TS; however, this behavior has cropped up in other situations where TS was not mandatory but exclusionary practices were still engaged in by cmdrs w/ the power/money/power to exclude or boot people for no reason except they were being mean/bullying players for any number of egregious reasons, all of which I could have reported but chose not to – I chose instead to voice my concerns via TC and here as I find that more effective for people to self-police if they have it in their power to be nice. (And yes, I do have screenshots and audio records, but so what?).
This is not about TS. This is about partial squads (1 squad per map) excluding people for no or what amounts to arbitrary, prejudicial, mean reasons only.
And sorry to say, I disagree. When a commander boots u/does not invite u because they don’t like u, and then cmdr or allies go on to type or say in TS things that r abusive, mean or bullying, that is the very definition of bullying. Stop deluding and obfuscating.
There is no reason for the exclusion in these circumstances except bullying – and that does make them bullies. People who do it and those who support it need to own it and recognize how mean it is.
Instead of suggesting that she goes to another server, why not suggest that fellow wvwers be more empathetic and understanding? Or consider having anet make some change to the mechanics which doesn’t allow others to exclude in this manner?
I already said why. Because this is so clearly a social issue, not a technological one. Empathy and understanding do not arise from forcing others to open their squads who don’t want to for whatever reason. My offer to help the OP raise funds for a server transfer arises from empathy and understanding. Sorry you are unable to comprehend what you are trying to preach.
I’m sorry, but you seem to be addressing this response to OP not the poster, so I will respond.
This practice is prevalent on all servers/maps. Its continuing and actually getting worse (like squad people saying “pay me x gold and u can join … lol”).
This is both a social issue and a technological issue. Anet has the ability to cure this practice quite easily technologically if people cannot find the understanding/empathy/logic to see that this exclusionary behavior only hurts players/game/game mode/servers, etc. and has no net effect to substantiate or justify the prejudicial behavior.
People do not get to engage in bullying behaviors on the game. Anet has rules against this. I have chosen to not report these people as the population is low and the players dedicated/good. But that does not make them any less discriminatory. To exclude disabled people is a direct violation of many rules. To exclude people because you don’t like them is bullying, plain and simple and to no net effect – you wont like them whether they are in squad or not, and they are on the map playing whether you like it or not. To exclude them from the benefits of the squad and hurt the squad and server and players (including players who object to this behavior who drop out of squad voluntarily) is hurting the game.
Why do people support this behavior? No one is asking you to play a certain way. You can play however you like. You can run a full or closed guild squad if you like and you can make exclusionary actions then. But this is not that scenario.
Pretty sure the poster understands the intent and scope of your understanding/empathy – I know I certainly do.
Also, I don’t see that nerfing a weapon into oblivion is nice to anyone who paid a lot of money to use it.
LOL at all the Guards in here lamenting the demise of their “loot stick”. :-D
By your post history, you’re a WvW player and apart from the WvW forum, you appear to be most interested in thief and revenant…
So, from a WvW perspective… was there anything about staff in WvW that actually warranted this change? Because it’s been virtually unseen in PvE or sPvP for a while now. I’d genuinely like to know if there was an actual call that this was OP by anyone, anywhere, that justifies this, or whether it was purely a dartboard nerf.
Because this change has pretty much guaranteed it will never be used in any other mode, and even for WvW, mightstacking can be done by other means.
Now, if the damage had been raised to something like Lightning Whip levels, I could kind of understand it. But at the moment, it feels like ‘demise’ is an appropriate term. They’ve basically boonsmited it, but in all game modes, and as far as I could see, with no indication that it was causing a problem beforehand.
Lets all be honest here (and yes I’m primarily a WvW player), the basis of the complaints about this nerf has everything to do with the fact that pressing “one” no longer will automatically fill your inventory up with loots bags… basically gaining free stuff just by being tanky enough to run through an opposing zerg while tagging downs.
You’re right that no one really “complained” that staff one was over powered before. But it just comes across as hilarious that people on this forum are finding just about every excuse for why this nerf should be reversed while refusing to admit the real reason… that it affects their wealth gain in WvW.
I hate the nerf and have stopped playing guard or using my staff that I paid a lot of money for. I don’t care at all about the loot bags in wvw. Anet could take them away completely and I would still play wvw and still play the same. The loot bag issue is petty. Necros have wells, marks, etc., engis have flame throwers, thief shortbow, etc. and all I ever hear in wvw is bags bags bags. Get rid of bags completely – I couldn’t care less. That’s not why I play guard.
I noticed that when I played the same staff/build in wvw post nerf, the only change I noticed was that I had to play frontline instead of midline, had to move around way more and died more. I noticed no difference in the amount of loot.
And why do you think you noticed no difference in the amount of loot ?
Because as you just ironically mentioned above (and I quote), “I had to play frontline instead of midline, had to move around way more and died more”.
Ta Da !
Now you can’t just hang back anymore behind the front line and press 1111 while vacuuming up every bag in sight with zero risk to your life. You’ve actually got to work for your loot this time.
Objective achieved !
I never did this.
However, now I will never give stability/sustain/empower. Also, now I have no combos and no melee type damage using my staff.
Hmmmm.
U seem to imply that only “front line” does damage. I resent that. I played very hard and furiously with my little staff at midline/backline – just like u obviously did on frontline. I also played frontline on my guard as well, and did it well.
However, now I die MORE in frontline w/ my useless staff and I cant play midline AT ALL. What a great solution to your mistaken impression that I get more loot than you – especially since I get way more loot playing my necro.
I say the commander has the absolute right to run his/her squad the way they see fit. If you do not like it then just move on. I get your argument but Anet will not get involved in this. That is just the way it is, and will most likely never change. Anet will not tell people how they have to play the game as long as their rules are not being broken.
Their rules are being broken. Its also misleading advertising since many people simply cannot join squads with commanders (an advertised feature of the game) for no reason cept bullying. Everyone paid the same to play the game and some get to play featured/advertised content and others don’t (i.e – running with a commander in squad – not just entering wvw and doing some thing).
Anet can tell people how to play game and they do it all the time.
Remember, closed squad w/ kick function is relatively new feature in WvW and should not be condoned when only 1 squad is available and partially full and the reason for the kick/not invite has only to do with "we don’t like you " – especially since the person is on the map anyway and u won’t like them whether they are in squad or not, and everyone benefits when they join the squad and if they are not on TS (or are) or being abusive themselves then what is the difference? Chat is the same, play is the same, likes/dislikes are the same – the only difference is the squad/players/game mode/game is hurt when they are excluded – especially if they get hurt feelings and decide to sabotage zerg.
It should not be defended.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people defend this gross conduct by discriminatory cmdrs and lord of the flies squad allies. No one is disputing the cmrdr right to do this under present rules. What I am objecting to is this is abusive behavior and should not be tolerated by anet or anyone.
I am not asking nor forcing anyone to play my way. I am asking to be allowed to play, same as you. I am not a “lesser” person just cuz u don’t like me. You don’t get to have an exclusionary “Club” which excludes disabled people or people you don’t like for some reason [which, in my case, I have never been offered a reason, and its clear, someone or some many simply don’t like me, so that is the reason I am being booted – and why? cuz I complained about their egregious behavior? cuz I play aggressive and die? (which btw I do in or out of squad so no net effect/gain/loss to squad/server)- gimme a break] .
And btw u can force others to act as you would like – its called change, rules, laws, manners, etc.
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It is a difficult scenario. As time goes on, inner circles get formed and exclusion become natural. And unfortunately, given the the power creep of hot highlighting build wars, it has proven more efficient to be exclusive . And even between players that are superior individually are at a disadvantage when not in comms.
I also do feel that guilds run in their own because…. It is a guild run.
But, thete is also much that is lost, when groups get too insular. Especially when this game has been out for so long and vets grow tired of repeating the same kitten that they get a bit neophobic. It also results in stagnation as methods bwcome more ingrained
And certainly on my end, while I do make concessions for the greater good (i don’t run off meta in guild runs) I defintely have some strong opinions on what works and thise disagreements have caused quite a problem so I do have quite an appreciation for people willing to resolve diffrences.
Oh, btw it is quite easy to note the quality if someone’s zerg ability as zerging is fairly straightforward. In general if you don’t suck and you don’t have a terrible personality you will stand out and as a result I am usually very skeptical of the “vet player being oppressed” . Also, vet doesn’t mean you are any good either… I juat think it won’t be hard to get a group if you are indispensable in some from or manner. Unless every griup is really that blind.
In the end this is a player issue and from 5 years of reading these forums, it is something they can’t fix, nor would you want them to.
See 4b. Not talking about guild runs. Talking about partial full squads for hours on end filled with all guilds that exclude for no good reason or abusive reason.
Didn’t say being a vet made me a good player. I am a good player, sometimes really good. Just is. Also happen to be a vet.
Not talking about TS, tho mandatory TS is part of the problem.
I do want anet to fix it, especially if the community cant bring themselves to stop bullying in this limited circumstance, and in fact, over time, are abusing it to the point where I could get players banned – but then we have even less player base, especially when some of these players are good for the server/game play.
Pls see Nos. 3 & 5.
Cant afford to switch servers – don’t think this is an effective answer to the problem.
I think Anet should get involved cuz its not just bad manners, its abusive and exclusionary and actually making it so players cant play in wvw squads for hours/days on end.
I have many reasons for not being able to join TS (not just that I am deaf.) as do many others.
TS is not noted as a requirement to play in squad in wvw, and playing in squad is advertised content for which I paid.
I am not just talking about TS requirement either.
I have heard from players of players in TS abusing people and ganging up on them. I have heard people in TS making fun of players and excluding them just because they don’t like them.
I don’t care if people don’t like me. They won’t like me whether I am in squad or out. Its whether exclusionary practices are being used to bully players and ruin their game experience and more importantly, preclude them from content. This is something Anet needs to look into.
I have seen people in squad type to exclude people from squad. They do this because the people who wish to join are already in TS, so they type it instead. And the people cant get in, and they are excluded because people in squad simply don’t like them. That makes no sense and its bullying. You don’t have to like the people in squad. It hurts the squad/server/players/all when people are booted/not invited for no legitimate reason except to be mean.
I have seen people say and lol about this: Give me gold and we will let u in squad. This behavior should not be tolerated.
I have heard from many people who left squads or TS because of abuse of players.
I’m sorry, but I think bullying behavior should not be condoned by anyone, and it is within Anet’s ability and arguably their duty to prevent player abuse when the community can no longer police itself.
Good manners indeed.
This is a narrow issue/situation that should be curbed by everyone, not defended.
I would really like Anet to address/change a problem in wvw which is growing worse and is used solely to hurt players.
Squads/cmdrs continue to use closed/no invite feature to exclude players from non-full squads for no reason.
I want to be clear about my complaint.
1. I love GW/wvw and am vet wvwer/gwer.
2. Im experienced good player; when motivated, can be exceptionally good player.
3. Don’t want cmdr tag, don’t want to lead, don’t have money for it.
4. Squads I am complaining about are:
A) partially full, usually 20-40;
B) not on guild runs or “training runs” (w/e that is) or “dual guild” runs (disingenuously explained as 2 guilds on training run, lol);
C) 1 squad/cmdr on a map;
D) Usually prime time, monopolizing map for >1 hr.; sometimes 4-5 hrs / nite multi days;
E) Squads w/ same players w/ control
5. I am not disputing a cmdr’s right to exclude people – they have that right. Whether they should exercise that right to exclude people for no good reason is the issue and whether people should support these types of cmdrs/squads and whether anet should do something about abuses is the issue.
6. Don’t want to roam/havoc/solo – have zerg armor/boosters/food/weapons.
7. I mean this (believe it or not I don’t care) – I dont care a fig about bags.
8. Every single reason ever given to justify squad exclusion as above are illogical and do not hold up. If its just that I am hated, that’s bullying, and u will hate me whether I’m in squad or not – and it hurts squad & players when players r excluded from squad who want to join.
9. TS should not be an exclusionary tool/excuse to ban people from squad for hours – especially if people can’t join TS for w/e reason (I’m deaf).
10. It hurts squad/server/players when ppl r forced to run alongside squad – they r not as effective and neither is squad – heals indiscriminate/untimely, buffs/rezes erratic, etc. Squad does better when I’m in it rather than forced to run beside it.
11. I paid the same as everyone else.
Pls Anet monitor this situation and consider a fix. I have seen/heard (via typing) so many sickening stories of abuse of players re: entry deny/kick in partially full squads for purely abusive/bullying reasons.
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You know, you might want to consider that people don’t want to be “seriously involved” in wvw, or that they want to play lazy. It is entertainment and relaxation – not a job. Why insist it be a job. If guard is a lazy class – which I don’t believe at all, so what? You need lifeblood in wvw, including from lazy people, and nerfing staff won’t make lazy players any more motivated to play intensely – it will make them quit (less players overall) or make them play worse/do less damage/survive less often. Hardly seems helpful to the server/squad and hardly seems like something we should encourage by insisting everyone play to maximum intensity at all times.
Maybe people need lazy play.
Also, I get way more bags on my necro than my guard, and both are equally lazy, but I play guard way more often in wvw. What gives? Why play guard when necro is more effective and just as lazy, when I get more bags from necro? Mystery for the ages.
Now that I have no midline weapons as a guard, especially in wvw, and staff has been obliterated as a weapon for any game mode/class, I won’t be playing guard and I want my money back on Bifrost.
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I love the gliding in wvw! Thanks so much anet – really helps with the tedium of long running.
Now, if only the community would police itself and stop ruining gliding for everyone – I mean really, does everything have to be used for non-intended purposes?
LOL at all the Guards in here lamenting the demise of their “loot stick”. :-D
By your post history, you’re a WvW player and apart from the WvW forum, you appear to be most interested in thief and revenant…
So, from a WvW perspective… was there anything about staff in WvW that actually warranted this change? Because it’s been virtually unseen in PvE or sPvP for a while now. I’d genuinely like to know if there was an actual call that this was OP by anyone, anywhere, that justifies this, or whether it was purely a dartboard nerf.
Because this change has pretty much guaranteed it will never be used in any other mode, and even for WvW, mightstacking can be done by other means.
Now, if the damage had been raised to something like Lightning Whip levels, I could kind of understand it. But at the moment, it feels like ‘demise’ is an appropriate term. They’ve basically boonsmited it, but in all game modes, and as far as I could see, with no indication that it was causing a problem beforehand.
Lets all be honest here (and yes I’m primarily a WvW player), the basis of the complaints about this nerf has everything to do with the fact that pressing “one” no longer will automatically fill your inventory up with loots bags… basically gaining free stuff just by being tanky enough to run through an opposing zerg while tagging downs.
You’re right that no one really “complained” that staff one was over powered before. But it just comes across as hilarious that people on this forum are finding just about every excuse for why this nerf should be reversed while refusing to admit the real reason… that it affects their wealth gain in WvW.
I hate the nerf and have stopped playing guard or using my staff that I paid a lot of money for. I don’t care at all about the loot bags in wvw. Anet could take them away completely and I would still play wvw and still play the same. The loot bag issue is petty. Necros have wells, marks, etc., engis have flame throwers, thief shortbow, etc. and all I ever hear in wvw is bags bags bags. Get rid of bags completely – I couldn’t care less. That’s not why I play guard.
I noticed that when I played the same staff/build in wvw post nerf, the only change I noticed was that I had to play frontline instead of midline, had to move around way more and died more. I noticed no difference in the amount of loot.
I mean if people were objecting to a “lootstick” why didn’t anet just increase recharge rate or decrease range a bit, instead of making staff a melee weapon that does low damage with no combos, low utility.
Why give guard another melee weapon, a fairly useless melee weapon at that, specially in comparison with swords, greatswords or hammers (or axes per new release).
So now guards have only 2 long range weapons = a scepter and a longbow (which may be rendered obsolete with new release), and have zero mid-range weapons. How is this fair?
Its not about bags. If you don’t like the "lootstick, nerf it in some way that makes staff a viable midline weapon – don’t render it useless.
It makes me mad that people suggest the only reason the no. 1 staff skill was used or any good was for loot. Its about viability and usefulness. Now guards cant tag at all.
Guards have no midline weapons now. Bye bye staff “storage stick.”
Wow – why change the staff No. 1 skill?
Anet has rendered both staff and guard obsolete. I spent a fortune on my guard and my Bifrost, especially to use in wvw where squads only want certain classes (inexcusable in and of itself) but to then nerf my weapon into oblivion is baffling and infuriating. Please change this change as it is very hurtful to players and makes them mad. I see no one applauding this inexplicable nerf – its not like guards were op, especially when compared with classes like rev or thief, both of which got mad buffs.
I’ve stopped playing guard (even in pve) – is this really what Anet intended? Why not just delete the class too?
For 3 days I’ve encountered 7 cmdrs booting ppl (not afk) in not-full squads for elitist reasons (no TS, not rt class, we don’t like u, etc.).
In 3 days, after waiting in hr ques, I was unable to join squads on various maps for more than 10 hrs . Either cmdrs r punitive cuz I’m vocal/dissenting, disturbing their “rt to command” or else (as I suspect) the practice is prevalent.
Here’s the prob – I’ve yet to be given any good reason Y these cmdrs have the rt to be unreasonably elitist and boot ppl from part full squads when they r the only cmdr on a map for hrs on end. I’m not talking full/guild squads. Population is capped. There’s not an endless pool of available cmdrs so I can’t just go elsewhere (like in raids, etc). It’s a closed mode w/ limits.
Here r my issues:
Popping boosters running w/ squads, only to get booted by new cmdrs in part-full squads. Boosters r wasted. I WONT BE BUYING THEM AGAIN w/ hard earned money if I can’t use them w/ efficient game play. I’m CERTAIN ANET doesn’t want that!
If I don’t/won’t access TS, I am w/o TS in squad or out. If in squad w/o TS I play the same and do the same things as when I play w/o TS and am out of squad. Its the exact same thing. Same is true of rangers who play on same class in or out of squad. I get it if squad is full or guild, then cmdr wants players that best suit tactics/use TS or w/e. But thats not what’s occurring. Its mean spirited boots for no reason in half-full squads when our server needs us in a team-based game mode.
I’m not disputing TS helps. It should not be a mandatory exclusionary tool. Reasons given make no sense.
If we r booted (for w/e elitist reason) from squad several bad things happen:
I am hurt in play cuz boosters are not as effective. I get less or no protections/heals/buffs from squad and less tag credits/rank up/pips/rewards/etc. I die more. I get disgruntled/play less effectively, and won’t help cmdr/squad cuz Y would I? Feelings r hurt, alienation occurs.
Then what do I do? Zerg build/armor/weaps, so solo/roaming is out. There’s a que and boosters popped, so don’t want to reroll. Other maps r full. No other cmdrs on map. Population cap. I’m willing/able to play/want to join. I’m not bad player (vet); that shouldn’t matter anyway, as its casual game in unique team-based mode. All should be welcome. How does this foster good community or welcome environment for newbies or “pvers” (w/e that is)? We should take all – esp when squad is 1/2 full. We need all the help we can get.
If I run beside squad, squad is hurt cuz they don’t know/care to heal me and I don’t know who to heal. Purpose of tiered organization is to protect those around me in tier (who needs it most – ele/necro? – I don’t know green dot’s class), and be protected/work in tandem. I can’t heal others effectively if I don’t know who likely needs it most or where to position myself for max usefulness (heal cmdr only?).
If I die more, squad is hurt cuz ppl rez more often, wasting precious kill time. It makes sense ppl heal/rez blue dots and not green dot outcasts. Thus, zerg overall suffers and we lose zerg battles we should win due to lack of structure/max coordination (including ranger classes and non-TS players cuz we’re already in map). Letting those players into squad, when they WANT TO BE playing, helps squad. If they want to be in non-full squad, they should be. Team needs ‘em and they’re available. Include them as part of squad and don’t refuse them for ….o wait, Idk Y -reasons given don’t hold up. So it just feels prejudicial at this pt.
Y would anyone running with zerg contribute to cmdr who booted them? Most wont. Zerg is hurt. Already in map – Y refuse entry to squad? Bad blood all around.
No matter how respectful I ask to join, gaggles of elitists ALWAYS throw 1st personal attack/troll comment. Not friendly. Y? What did I do? Ask to join?
If I’m following tag closely, kitten many claim I should, I may get benefit of random heals. But if I’m following tag closely, I’m doing a good job following, so Y can’t I be in squad? Makes NO SENSE. There’s no reason for the exclusion. I paid my money just like u.
There’s no detriment to squad if I join. NONE. But THERE IS DETRIMENT to SQUAD if I am forced to run beside it. It hurts me, squad, server and game (as above). Sometimes it almost feels deliberately anti-server. Its certainly prejudicial to game play and unfriendly/exclusionary when Anet/ppl r encouraging all to join this game, esp WvW, which needs ppl to sustain it.
C) I would like ppl to help me help WvW. Let ppl who want to join squads. No more exclusionary “this is my tag I do what I want.” That shouldn’t be allowed if ur the only tag on map and squad is NOT FULL. “I do what I want” is not a good reason. Its exclusionary and elitist. Stop stamping feet over and over saying “its my tag I do what I want.” U shouldn’t be able to in this scenario (raids, guilds, w/e – ok do w/e u want). This is a population-capped, team-based mode! Stop hurting servers! We lost and shouldn’t have -reason? Squad of 15/zerg followers of 15 (many wanted to join – not allowed). Putting them in tiered squad would’ve helped and would’ve utilized the entire available/willing player base to max effectiveness (whether rangers or off TS).
I want to win with robust populations and fun active play, not slow, stand around, we failed now who do we blame talk for 20 mins w/ food/boosters wastin. IDC if we ktrain or open field zerg. I like it all. So do others. Let them play with u, not beside u. UR SQUAD’S NOT FULL! U NEED OUR HELP!
I don’t want to lead. I’m highly respectful, thanking/rewarding to cmdrs. Polite to do to someone who volunteers time/effort to lead/manage a big grp across lg maps.
I’d like community’s help stopping this exclusionary practice as it harms people, squads, servers and a great game I love for 14 yrs! Show a little respect to Anet pls and help them have the game we all want!
Great idea, it did work, they came in droves, so we had 2 hr queues. YAY! Robust WvW zerg play! Fun fun fun. Then reality hit:
Queues – omg NOOOOO.
Go away newbies. “Back to pve for u” snobbery.
2k to get a piece of armor – 5 hrs playing and I got 2 ranks? – 6 ranks? – 10? w/e. Who cares – waaaaaaaay tooo distant a reward for me thx. I’m outta here – not wanted anyway
1 wk later, no queues, no players. Idea over. Back to the grind.
Yay! In 6 mos when the vets have all their shinies, everyone else will have moved on and there will be few to show it to, and no one who stays but doesn’t have it won’t care, and those of us who wvw as vets and don’t care about the shinies will just keep on the same old treadmill cuz that’s what we do.
So end result: zero sum gain.
Couldn’t we all have been a little nicer, a little less elitist, a little more realistic and rewarding, a little more patient, and a little more flexible/understanding? Help Anet keep this great game robust! Welcome everyone to squads! BE Kind! Behave! Rewards for everyone that are realistic, while honoring the time-worn, master vets so they can display their dedication to others (not Lord it over them), and just have fun.
Excellent post…and yes, pretty much seeing the queues die down on my server…last night only EBG was queued during my normal West Coast hours, where all borders were queued last week after the patch.
Most WvWers will rejoice at this news. Queues are a dirty word, and motivation to move servers for some guilds.
That said, I’ve yet to see anyone in this thread provide a valid reason for lowering the requirements. It’s not like the new gear gives any advantage. “Because I want it” is not valid. You can get it if you want. Nobody’s stopping you. In fact most WvW vets would be happy to show you a few tricks.
Unless someone can undeniably show that not having this gear puts you, as a player, at a disadvantage to other players who have it, there’s really no justification.
I am a WvW vet since Ive been playing weekly since beta and know the tricks. But 2000 rank is too remote of a shiny reward for the majority of players, including me. I will get there when I get there, so I don’t care, and I will or won’t wear my armor when I get it. I’m not in it for the shinies. However, some are, and some may be enticed by it, but then get blown away by the time commitment needed to get it. 1000 rank or even 1500 is doable/conceivable and not off-putting for most interested players. 2k is defeating and encourages attrition rather than encourages participation. Either way, the vets will have their shinies to show off WAY BEFORE any newbies or even most players in WvW, so what’s the difference? Earlier prestige isn’t good enuf? U have to scare players away with burdensome unattainable rewards – oh, think of those pretty purple pvp pinnacle weapons, which after 5 yrs of playing NO ONE has EVEN ONE. What’s the pt. Think end goal here – the game alive and well and thriving 10 yrs in cuz we all like it enuf to post and discuss here!
you know, you can follow the commander and the zerg without being in the squad, right?
You know that you get way less rewards and wxp when following a commander while not being in squad, right?
no, you don’t, but you keep believing that
Uh it’s called tagging, just like being in a party if u don’t do enough dmg to a target u don’t get credit. If ur solo your much less likely to get credit for tagging
How does your personal dps change when in a group or solo? for tagging as you say you need to damage a target. Guards have been tagging tons of enemies with their infamous “loot stick” doing miniscule damage for years.
Tagging requires you to do a certain minimum % of the total dmg of the target. If ur in a party or squad you share the dmg contribution of ur teammates. So if u have to do 5% of the total damage to a target to get tag credit, and your solo following a zerg, you might do 2% of the dmg yourself before the zerg kills the target and thus, you get no loot or wxp. Whereas if you do 2% of the dmg in a squad you get all the contribution of ur teammates which is the other 98% of the dmg, thus giving u tagging credit.
Tagging is shared in party, not squad. Even solo a single kitten aoe can already tag a ton of enemy players. The percentage required to get contribution is puny. Even then kills are a tiny fraction of WXP gains, not “way less rewards” in general.
You’ve demonstrated over and over to have virtually zero actual experience or knowledge of how WvW works. Yet you keep showing up, spouting your doomsday nonsense at other players who know as little as you. If you are so concerned about players being unmotivated to engage in content then you are certainly part of the problem by spreading your falsehoods and misinformation.
I have a ton of experience in WvW and know exactly how it works. Idon’t see that any of the players in here arguing against class discrimination or squad exclusion have said a single thing, whether about the issue in general or their description of mechanics, that is wrong.
You are woefully wrong and self-serving and making a point of what?
If I am close enuf to the squad to receive its benefits solo, as u insist, then I’m running right on top of the squad, following the commander nicely, and if the squad is not full, then Y am I not allowed in the squad? Answer that pls, cuz I’m confused and u seem pretty confident in ur self-serving responses which have a goal of what – exclusionary elitism with no net gain to the squad. Super!
Also, if I’m not only tagging but downing players as a guard, necro or rev, Y should the squad get all the benefits of my actions but I get little or none. Isn’t it ur same argument in reverse? Y do u think u r ENTITLED to the benefits of my play?
O, that’s right its a TEAM effort – so play like a team, not a ….. w/e.
“If I run alongside the zerg, w/o being in squad I get less heals, rezes, buffs, pips, rewards.”
Don’t believe this.
-Heals are generally AOE unless you’re downed, then it becomes a different matter. This is discussed with rezes.
-Rezes are given out pretty much to anyone who contributes to the fight regardless of squad. I have never seen anyone deny healing when they start healing those who died…if they rez after the fight and you’re close enough that it doesn’t put the healer at risk. That’s an important distinction, since pretty much no one gets healed during a fight, squad or not. And if it’s a protracted fight or your squad loses, then no one usually gets healed anyway.
-Buffs. If you’re in the group running and a buff is given out, you get it. Not squad dependent. No char has the ability to target only squad members with a buff if the buff is given to out as a consequence of an ability and not targeted to one individual.
-Pips are the same for each person regardless of squad membership as is experience and rewards from mini-events. What matters in the reward system is proximity and participation (and in this case rank in WvW), not squad membership. This is an intended mechanic within GW2.
However, communication does matter. It impacts movement, tactics, directed actions and requests. These can have a significant impact on squad performance and fight outcome.
Don’t believe this. I not only have seen what I said, I’ve personally experienced it. I’m not lying.
Some heals are not AOE and all heals and many protective/heal buffs are limited in number affected. I have personally seen and experienced heal/protection exclusion outside the squad. Most squad players heal squad players and their pets before healing outside players. In fact, I would say it is the more common practice, not an exception.
The bit about the rezzes is simply not accurate at all. I rarely see ppl in squad rezzing ppl outside squad – they barely rez ppl in squad – focusing more on movement and kills (cuz rezzing isn’t fun) – even post battle or in safe spots during battle. They just run on, quickly in fact, leaving the excluded fallen to die, happy they escaped and oftentimes lolololoing the whole way. I have seen players in squads stand there with excluded downed players in front of them and not lift a finger, even when the enemy has withdrawn, to rez them.
It seems to me that the mentality of the squad, as expressed here openly by many, is that roamers/solos or excluded ones serve as meat shield purposes for the illustrious squad members, and that their function is to alert cmdrs to tactical decisions based on where and how many of those “useful” excluded ones die (or died in a zerg battle).
Also, solo survivability also seems to be some test of prowess- why I don’t know, as I frequently die/sacrifice myself so that 6 or 7 players I have singlehandedly rezzed can go free. Since I can run fast, I figure I might get away too and if I don’t one death is better than 7 when I take one for the team. This should be applauded, but somehow, it is looked down on, like well, u died, so ur not good. Strange.
Buffs are given out and they hit whoever is near, but when buffs r given out it is frequently to the group in tier – hence the organizational tier of a squad. I have rarely seen players give buffs to stragglers, outsiders, roamers, soloers – its all about positioning. You get it if ur near and positioned well (healers often buff in a cone), which when out of squad, is hard to see whom you need to buff or can get buff from, but is normally visually easy to see whom to buff or get buff from – especially when combined with tier placement. So, if I’m a guard, I’m gonna buff players I recognize in squad via blue dots and tier construction, not go out of my way to run over to where a tiny green dotted soloist might be when I cant even tell his health unless I actually see him.
Also, if I’m good enuf to be running solo that close to the squad to avail myself of buffs doled out in squad, then I am following command REALLY WELL and therefore if the squad is not full – Y am I not in squad? Obviously I know what I’m doing and playing my class to helpful advantage. Pls explain that one to me, cuz I’m confused.
U get full participation for structure cap or associated player/npc kill in or out of squad and can arguably get equal pips. But tagging credit is not the same in and out of squad. Tagging credit, a mechanism which bases ur percentage of hit (or contribution to the skill) means u will get better kill credit in squad than out, resulting in more bags and more importantly, higher and faster rank up.
Think about it. I primarily play necro and guard as my two (tho not sole) WvW classes. I can down scores of people with wells and guard skills. All of those downed players become easy marks for quick kill by myself and others. I can do this in and out of squad. However, the number of kill credits I will get for the exact same skill/maneuvers/downed players will be greatly increased in a squad. I can either keep downing more players or wipe up the downs I made. However, in a squad, that is a way more efficient, quicker process, essential to the zerg battle win. And btw, if I’m downing 10 players – why shouldn’t I get my share of credit for downing them all? Why should I down 10 players to get 2 kills running solo, while the squad mops up the bags? In that scenario, I not only feel like a meat shield, I feel I’m being used and punished.
Finally, communication is good. It does help. Typemanding can help those who need it. TS can help those who can hear it and/or log in. But all of ur arguments fail because if I am close enuf to the squad to actually receive its benefits, as u suggest, then Y am I not in it – when clearly I’m following AOK.
meh, loot stacks up whether you’re inside or outside the zerg squad, cant say ive ever noticed much of a difference at all.
As for survivability, Thief/Ranger/Engi should be quite able to manage fine without being in squad, hell i’m average at ranger and manage to stay alive in blob fights pretty easily. Know the role, listen on TS and keep decent positioning and you shouldn’t die that much. If you are then you are doing it wrong
Loot stacks up, but protections/buffs/rewards are less than outside than inside squad. Rezzes rarely occur if ur outside the squad, ditto heals. Also, what if u cant get on TS and they boot for that?
Also, if ur booted from squad for being a ranger, how do u listen to TS – in my experience, most I’ve seen who r booted don’t want to listen in.
Great idea, it did work, they came in droves, so we had 2 hr queues. YAY! Robust WvW zerg play! Fun fun fun. Then reality hit:
Queues – omg NOOOOO.
Go away newbies. “Back to pve for u” snobbery.
2k to get a piece of armor – 5 hrs playing and I got 2 ranks? – 6 ranks? – 10? w/e. Who cares – waaaaaaaay tooo distant a reward for me thx. I’m outta here – not wanted anyway
1 wk later, no queues, no players. Idea over. Back to the grind.
Yay! In 6 mos when the vets have all their shinies, everyone else will have moved on and there will be few to show it to, and no one who stays but doesn’t have it won’t care, and those of us who wvw as vets and don’t care about the shinies will just keep on the same old treadmill cuz that’s what we do.
So end result: zero sum gain.
Couldn’t we all have been a little nicer, a little less elitist, a little more realistic and rewarding, a little more patient, and a little more flexible/understanding? Help Anet keep this great game robust! Welcome everyone to squads! BE Kind! Behave! Rewards for everyone that are realistic, while honoring the time-worn, master vets so they can display their dedication to others (not Lord it over them), and just have fun.
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Your answer is in your response. You play fine without Teamspeak and, according to you, better than most. Why do you need it, then? Validation? Because you think you need to prove something to people?
I’m a mute. I have the benefit of being able to use TS to listen, but I can’t talk. Even so, I never use TS because I don’t care to. I don’t care if I’m not invited/kicked from squads and I don’t care if the commander thinks badly of me. I’m not playing to impress anyone.
I’ll give my best effort because I don’t want to be a dead weight, not because I give a kitten whether I’m good or not according to someone else’s standards. You might want to try that some time before always playing the victim.
Always play the victim? I rarely speak in game and when I do, its to point out unsportsmanlike, exclusionary, or inappropriate play. I think the last time I actually spoke in WvW before this week was about 2 yrs ago. So I don’t understand.
I am not playing the victim. I have never played the victim. Though I was victimized.
You can’t have it both ways. A victim is someone who has been victimized and doesn’t fight back. I am hardly doing that. I was victimized, but I am not a victim because I am fighting back. And you don’t like it. Hardly playing the victim. U want me to take my lumps and go away and be silently sulking in a corner. I won’t.
I’ve already explained why, just like many ppl in this thread: I was precluded unreasonably from any squad game play that day and the squad wasn’t full and there was only 1 cmdr. There are benefits to being in a squad, including buffs, protections, rezzes, pips/rewards, etc. There is zero downside to me being in the squad – unless u all just think I am the worst player in all of GW or deliberately sabotaging the squad, or afking, none of which is true.
I don’t need TS. I can’t use it. I don’t need a squad – I prefer it, and its an advertised feature of the game and I paid to play and I enjoy playing. Nowhere does it say: Warning you can be booted from squad for any or no reason, including reasons that may be exclusionary/discriminatory, and certainly may be poor sportsmanship. Don’t forget, the ability for a cmdr to boot was added much later in the game to allow cmdrs to boot afkers. It was never intended to encourage alienating, exclusionary game play.
Thank you for elucidating for me what your game play style is like and what you care about when you play. Sounds Great! Sadly, I don’t seem to be able to adopt your viewpoints on how to play or on what is the most enjoyable way to play.
I need zero validation. I am not trying to impress anyone. I am trying to play the game I paid for and love to play, in all of its forms. I would like to not get abused for voicing my opinion and/or frustration. I would like to not be excluded from game play unreasonably and exclusionarily.
I play my best, in earnest, every single time I log into GW, regardless of game mode. I am never dead weight, and I take offense if you are implying that I am dead weight, when I am clearly not.
I don’t know what kind of person it would take to be horrible at gw after 14 yrs of playing it, or wvw after 5 yrs of play, but whatever that person would be its not me. I play well. I know it. Those are the standards I set for myself and live up to each time I play.
So sad that none of the “cmdr has his rts” supporters can see fit in your hearts to soften arbitrary, exclusionary restrictions on game play in a casual game intended to be FUN! Believe me, it wasn’t fun that day at all.
Tag up yourself and be and inclusive as you want. Stop trying to force your rules on everyone else. You remind me of the little kids that would take their ball and go home when things didn’t go their way.
I had to go home – didn’t have a choice. Cant afford to “tag up.” Too poor.
Y wouldn’t I be inclusive? Y shouldn’t everyone? We all paid to play exactly the same.
My rule – if only 1 cmdr on in a land w/ a non-full squad, no boot cept for afkers of a few minutes. Exactly what Anet intended when they implemented (many yrs post launch) the boot option.
So u mean, don’t play by Anet’s rules as the game was intended/designed to be played?
So many misinformed people in wvw by the looks of it. Obviously never saw proper played staff/bound thief in zerg. Those thieves do better job at killing enemy zerg and living longer than your average guard spamming staff1 which is squad usually filled with.
I have also experienced same thing as Op. Even if squad wasn’t full and comm was advertising for people to join the squad, any thief was constantly kicked and verbally harassed for actually joining (i was told to have cancer for example for simply playing the class, how lovely). WvW became more toxic than raids and pvp together.
For my part, i was told that thief is not worth it and doesn’t deserve it to be part of the squad. However when those oh so glorious squad members went down and cried for rez, i had my last laugh and told them “you are not worth the rez” (although i could have easily rezzed them).
I agree. So much toxicity in WvW. And why? All of it, from what I can see, is coming from elitists/vets.
I was berated mercilessly for being deaf and other forms of abuse for more than 3 hrs because I complained about being kicked from a squad I had been in all day because the newly joined cmdr to our squad required TS even tho I politely told him and he knew I was deaf.
I know when I get booted for not being on TS or for running one of my other classes, it angers and humiliates me no end, especially when theres no good reason and no good net positive squad effect from the boot. There is no justification for booting anyone who is actively playing from a partly full squad when there is only 1 cmdr on in ur land.
It creates animosity and bad blood. When it happens, the toxicity level for everyone raises dramatically, and I don’t blame u for not rezzing. I will never do anything for a cmdr or squad that has booted me.
Great team play! Great happy, cooperative community/teamwork. So unnecessary, esp since the net effect improvement/reward to the squad is imaginary or negligible. Is it really worth it to be angering so many for so little or no gain? Come on ppl.
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