Guild Wars 2

Celtus.8456:

I will be very satisfied if Kiel turns out to be a real villain (orchestrating some of the evils we have dealt with recently), seems too good to be true though.

She just seems “normal and decent” to me. It’s really sad when we see someone behaving decently and we automatically assume they’re up to no good because we’re so used to everyone around us being anything but decent.

Navzar.2938:

Edge.4180:

Navzar.2938:

Edge.4180:

Navzar.2938:

I’m sure plenty of us would rather have more of a villain for a leader in our stories.

Yeah.. we had that already with Minister Caudecus, and it was pretty unexciting. If you’re looking for politicians who favor greed and self interests at the costs of making the world a worse place, just turn on the news. I like my gaming experience to be different from real life, though.

Except Caudecus is in a typical position of being an evil antagonist, rather than on the player side. Some players like having a break from the normal siding with good.

Also, when it comes to video games, making the world a worse place gives often gives you more to do anyway. If everything were fine, then you wouldn’t have any events or quests to do.

That’s just the point – we already have very bad things happening to the world of Tyria. You know.. the dragons rising and all life being at stake. So why in the world should we ever be interested in focusing on some politician’s petty political schemes?

As for “siding with good”, if you’re looking to side with a villain then you’re playing the wrong game. It’s been stated repeatedly that players take on the roles of heroes in this game. If there is a story to be told with an evil NPC, you’ll never be working with that NPC, you will always be working against him.

Either way I said “more of a villian” not the villian, when talking about Evon. As in sure, do the right thing by beating the bad guy, but think more about yourself too. In case you haven’t figured it out, Evon isn’t evil, nor has he done anything evil.

I don’t know.. Evon having adventurers recover stolen property and then using that stolen property to fund his political campaign seems evil when his opponent, Ellen Kiel, is returning the stolen property she helps recover to the victims who were raided.

Unfortunately, the last Evon Gnashblade supporter who posted similar pictures of his support ended up being caught in a photoshop scandal.

That said, it’d be silly to assume Ellen Kiel supporters aren’t preparing to throw massive support behind her as well.

Navzar.2938:

Edge.4180:

Navzar.2938:

I’m sure plenty of us would rather have more of a villain for a leader in our stories.

Yeah.. we had that already with Minister Caudecus, and it was pretty unexciting. If you’re looking for politicians who favor greed and self interests at the costs of making the world a worse place, just turn on the news. I like my gaming experience to be different from real life, though.

Except Caudecus is in a typical position of being an evil antagonist, rather than on the player side. Some players like having a break from the normal siding with good.

Also, when it comes to video games, making the world a worse place gives often gives you more to do anyway. If everything were fine, then you wouldn’t have any events or quests to do.

That’s just the point – we already have very bad things happening to the world of Tyria. You know.. the dragons rising and all life being at stake. So why in the world should we ever be interested in focusing on some politician’s petty political schemes?

As for “siding with good”, if you’re looking to side with a villain then you’re playing the wrong game. It’s been stated repeatedly that players take on the roles of heroes in this game. If there is a story to be told with an evil NPC, you’ll never be working with that NPC, you will always be working against him.

It’s already been confirmed that the the Desert Rose will be available on the Black Lion Weapons Specialists after the Bazaar of the Four Winds has ended.

Navzar.2938:

I’m sure plenty of us would rather have more of a villain for a leader in our stories.

Yeah.. we had that already with Minister Caudecus, and it was pretty unexciting. If you’re looking for politicians who favor greed and self interests at the costs of making the world a worse place, just turn on the news. I like my gaming experience to be different from real life, though.

Shiren.9532:

You know what it doesn’t sound like? A fractal!

Do any of the people talking about this nonsense ever play fractals?

I do. And the idea of players taking the form of Skritt who then steal components from a reactor, causing it to malfunction, sounds exactly like a fractal.

What about that does not say fractal-content to you? I mean, it even fits your own description… :

Shiren.9532:

They are not story delivery devices, they are the game’s equivalent of action movies. A fun gameplay experience with a cool setting and flashy graphics. They aren’t even real events, just recreations (so fractals aren’t even canon for what truly happened – even if they were, they have minimal dialogue and picture book level of story).

Lodovicus.1562:

Silicato.4603:

The evon guys should be happy that a bad guy, with 0 lore in his back until a few days ago, and a fractal with very old lore around it, have reached to the 48% of the votes.

I guess that you have spend a lot of money on it, because the logic think would be that the winner was the heroine that we know since a lot of months ago, who makes benefits in the wp and who will bring a fractal of something that people recon.

You should be proud to make the impossible, reach to the 48% of the votes.

But don´t make any mistake, you still have to surpass the 383k votes wall and the kiel suporters have a lot more of the votes who are coming, so think bigger on that difference

You do realise that there are guilds out there that have saved up literally thousands of tokens ready to vote for Evon and troll the Kiel supporters on the 5th?

I certainly hope the Kiel supporters have been doing the same, as you could potentially look very silly if you are counting your chickens this early.

I suspect more than a few players (I would even say “most”) have not bothered making a trip to either of the ballot baskets yet because they don’t want to be bothered with making the trip until the last minute (since ballots are constantly being acquired as loot).

Gandarel.5091:

You think a good-doer fits a pirate council? Are you serious?

It’s a “Captain’s Council”, not a pirate council, made up of privateer ship captains and merchants who are elected into office. And you apparently don’t know much about it if you think they behave like stereotypical pirates. (/facepalm)

I think it makes perfect sense for a high ranking member of the Lionguard (Ellen Kiel) to sit on the very council they help protect.

The only thing Evon has in common with the Captain’s Council is that he’s a wealthy merchant who has set up a headquarters in Lion’s Arch.

Gandarel.5091:

A reactor explosion with more asuras (60% of this game is about asuras), rather than a fight between gods that’s outcome changed to whole world?

I notice Gnashblade supporters always try to paint the Thaumanova Reactor in the worst possible light, while describing the Abbadon fractal as some epic saga somehow squeezed into a 10 minute fractal dungeon. How’s that going to work, exactly?

I would think real GW1/Abbadon fans would do anything to avoid having such an important event ruined with a fractal treatment. If anything, you should be rallying behind the idea of a Bonus Mission Pack (like we had back in the original Guild Wars)

Thobek.1730:

So I just saw the update in the polls and after 9.5million tokens it still sits at 52%/48% which was the same as last week. I cannot believe that it is that close.

The forums are full of people wanting that fractal to be made, and hardly any positive threads about Kiel. She’s already been labeled Trahearne 2.0, other threads are questioning why anyone would like her. On my server the chat is always in favour of Evon.

I think you’re viewing the forums and chat through Evon-colored glasses. Does he sell those on the cash shop?

I see plenty of Kiel support on the forums. I would go as far as saying there’s way more Kiel support on the forums than Gnashblade, but it’s probably closer to 52% / 48%, in Kiel’s favor.

Actually, I’m not at all surprised that the numbers are so close. I suspect most people are just interested in finishing both achievements and getting both miniatures in-game. That requires throwing support behind both candidates.

SpeedFiend.4521:

As you vote (supposedly) against RNG (which won’t go anywhere, so good job), you’re voting for more recycled content that’s already in the game. You had the chance to point the game in a new, more Crystal Desert-y direction, but I’m sure the 5 silver you’ll save on waypoints this month was worth it. I’m done.

I’m going to laugh when your “Crystal Desert-y direction” turns out to be an underwater fractal filled with margonites and no sign of any god(s).

And we all know how players love the underwater combat!

Cloud.5312:

I’m voting for Kiel because I feel it’s the right thing to do lore related… Gnashblade kitten d my pockets dry with his abusives taxes on the TH and I don’t really like the idea of having an oportunist without morals leading anything other than his sorry tail out of my way…

Also, there’s no thing as TEAM Gnashblade… There’s only him and your votes. His true self will come to light winning or losing this election…

Here here!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Edge.4180:

Kain Francois.4328:

Southsun Survival. We’ve been waiting since BETA for Hunger Royale to come back, no way we’re gonna miss out on it because of a bunch of Kiel carebears!

Since Southsun Survival (Hunger Royale) will also be put into the rotation if Ellen Kiel wins, I suppose (by your reasoning) it’s acceptable to vote for her as well! A great day for Ellen Kiel supporters!

Only Evon will bring it back. Nice try though!

Wrong. Does Evon support illiteracy or something? Because it’s clearly spelled out in several areas that Ellen Kiel will also be placing Southsun Survival in the rotation.

I want to say “nice try” back to you, but it wasn’t nice, nor did you even try.

Apparently Evon supports deceit and lying as well.

lupercaleb.6041:

a vote for ellen kiel is a vote for ignorance

Unless you’re able to explain why, I’m afraid you’re going to have to apply that label to your own statement.

It’s not just that Kiel is portrayed as a hero, it’s also because Evon Gnashblade is portrayed as a jerk. He does nothing but look after his own interests.

Have you played both of the in-game candidate trials? Kiel wants to recover the stolen items from the Aetherblade wreckage and redistribute it to the people the Aetherblade raided. She insists that her campaign “will not be built on the backs of victims”. It’s noble.

Meanwhile.. Gnashblade wants to recover the stolen items from the Aetherblade wreckage and use it to fund his political campaign. He went as far as to quote his version of the “finders keepers” rule as justification.

Now, imagine you’re one of the merchants devastated by the Aetherblade raid. Is Gnashblade sounding like the hero of that story to you?

Kain Francois.4328:

Southsun Survival. We’ve been waiting since BETA for Hunger Royale to come back, no way we’re gonna miss out on it because of a bunch of Kiel carebears!

Since Southsun Survival (Hunger Royale) will also be put into the rotation if Ellen Kiel wins, I suppose (by your reasoning) it’s acceptable to vote for her as well! A great day for Ellen Kiel supporters!

Rottaran Owain.6789:

Edge.4180:

Hey, “Mr. Wealthy”.. do you not realize you’re already paying taxes on the trading post? Taxes put in place by the individual who runs the Black Lion Trading Company? What’s his name again?

Oh, that’s right.. Evon Gnashblade.

…you do realize the black lion trading post is in fact, a business, and not a free service, right? If there were no fees on it, it would not be profitable, and thus, wouldn’t exist.

Don’t tell me something I already know, tell the original poster – the one complaining about fees. I’m just pointing out that he seems to be confused about where those fees are coming from. Put the “credit” where it’s due.

Evon Gnashblade – making a profit off you since 1325 AE.

Sol Solus.3167:

Paid for by a tax on the wealthy — an increase in Trading Post fees.

Say no to Kielcare.

Hey, “Mr. Wealthy”.. do you not realize you’re already paying taxes on the trading post? Taxes put in place by the individual who runs the Black Lion Trading Company? What’s his name again?

Oh, that’s right.. Evon Gnashblade.

Some of you seem to be under the impression that the amount of content is going to be something between a living-story/monthly release and an expansion, rather than a 10-15 minute fractal which players are going to want to focus on racing through as quickly as possible. Curb those expectations and don’t throw away your votes on a pipe dream.

lcpdragonslayer.7895:

I’ve gotten over 30 kills in one game, and my transient party was like lolwatnecromancer? even though the profession obviously doesn’t matter. As long as one person is trying to get the crystal running achievement, they’ll score your team points, so you can focus on grabbing the fire aspect and just killing everyone you come across.

Don’t push people off, that’s just silly. It’s also annoying when people run off the edge to deny you kills. Just use your blind, the black hole and then autoattack to death; because of the blind, fire aspect can hold up against 2v1.

I think there may be some confusion here.

While 30 kills in a match is not difficult to pull off, the original poster is talking about the achievement which requires you to specifically kill 15 crystal carriers, not random opponents – a lot harder to do in a single match unless something strange is going on in your game since there’s a 5 minute time limit and only two crystals active at any given moment. 30 carrier kills would require killing a crystal carrier every 10 seconds and they have to actually spend time traveling to the crystal pick-up point first and channeling for 5 seconds.. so, yeah. Not happening. :P

Just takes time. If you focus on it you should be able to finish it by the time you wrap up the other achievement (15 game achievement). Same with Crystal Capper. You’re just basically capping once and killing one crystal carrier per match. That’s not difficult if you don’t get distracted by the other things going on.

Just curious.. but how many are doing this solo without a gimmick?

My definition of a gimmick in this case is (example) standing out of range of most of the mobs and focusing on intercepting the Plunderer pirates from a relatively safe location (like the treasure drop off points).

You know, instead of standing with the ally NPCs near the treasure piles, keeping them alive (which pretty much requires you to kill every mob), etc. The way I imagine the designers probably envisioned everyone beating this.

Archmortal.1027:

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

You dont get it then. Yeah if thaumanova loses we might see some other asura dungeon, but they wont have the lore that thaumanova has surrounding it.

You’re forgetting that Thaumanova is already in-game and that the lore surrounding it can be built on at any time because it’s there, in the actual playable world and not just in a fractal. The Fall of Abaddon, and pretty much anything pertaining to Abaddon, is not already in the game and cannot be readily built on.

I’m not saying ANET will necessarily build on Thaumanova lore if Kiel loses or that even if they did that it would include the information that would have been revealed in the fractal, but the lore is not already neatly tied up the way Abaddon’s is. It is far more likely for ANET to tackle the issues of Thaumanova in its current state without the fractal than it is for ANET to tackle the Fall of Abaddon without the fractal.

You’re making the assumption that the events of the reactor fractal would be content taking place after the disaster. As long as we’re making assumptions, it could just as easily be events that take place before the accident, with players taking the role of Inquest troops at the moments leading up to and through reactor explosion. Heck, the party could be the cause of the entire disaster. That’s not something you can portray now in the current playable area, it would require a new map (hence the fractal).

Archmortal.1027:

Silicato.4603:

I agree with the people who says that fractal is not the key question in this battle. At least in my mind is not. That is why i base my vote in character personality and keys vs wp.
Kiel is the winner.

So you’re saying the thing everyone should be voting for is the thing that will only last for a few weeks, and not the permanent content? …? Did I get that right?

What value should be placed on permanent content? If someone plays the fractal once (or not at all) and then is done with it, but makes continual use out of the temporary waypoint/key discount, you can hardly argue that the fractal reward should be of greater value to them. Vote on what’s important to you. But don’t expect everyone to share your priority.

Never noticed a problem with it. Participated in it a few times from start to finish.

carlos.2861:

ok we all got that evon its a bad character but why always we go with the good ones why not for once we got with the bad guys to see how the story get a little more complicated lets do some good to a bad kitty =)

Maybe because we don’t get enough of the “good ones” in real life?

Look at the current political landscape in the real world. Do you really look at congress and say “Well, that’s interesting/complicated”? Or do you just get a little nauseous at all the incompetence the self-interests and political scheming brings?

I’m not really sure I want to drag more of that into the game I’m supposed to be enjoying. :P

ZilentNight.5089:

Edge.4180:

ZilentNight.5089:

Agreed that there is very little information but it has been suggested during the interviews by a ton of lore masters that the battle took place in the city of gods, just seeing that alone will be worth it.

On the other hand, seeing a reactor blow up, we have that in Meterica provice, then we have COE.

And assuming the fractal will take place in the “city of gods” is pure speculation. We have no idea what a fractal researching “the fall of Abaddon” will entail.

You’re assuming the best case scenario for one fractal while expecting the worst case scenario for the other.

Like i stated above, yes we have to make some speculation, ofc since the content hasnt even been created yet.
But, What is your logic for picking the reactor over the Abaddon fractal?
My logic is clear, no more redundant content.
There are already huge reactor explosions, bad experiments in the game.
Saying no to redundant content, also its a Fact and not a speculation that there will be yet another reactor explosion in the Kiel fractal.

My reasoning goes beyond fractals, which everyone just speeds through anyway to grind as quickly as possible.

I’ve got my eye more on the living story (which amounts to much more content than a fractal). Ellen Kiel is the soldier/hero brand of character who focuses on the type of dangers that really matter: the important, epic threats.

On the other hand, Evon Gnashblade is a scheming politician. You talk about “redundant” content? Well, I’ve already had my fill of corrupt politicians with Minister Caudecus. Seeing as I was barely entertained with that type of story the first time around, I don’t want to see a string of living story content revolving around dealing with Gnashblade’s schemes for power. /yawn

The sooner he’s out of the picture, the better. Even the most epic Abaddon fractal adventure is going to be cold comfort if I have to put up with another six months of Gnashblade-themed stories. I have no interest in the man behind the cash-shop. I do have an interest in a character like Kiel who lost everything to tragedy.

ZilentNight.5089:

Agreed that there is very little information but it has been suggested during the interviews by a ton of lore masters that the battle took place in the city of gods, just seeing that alone will be worth it.

On the other hand, seeing a reactor blow up, we have that in Meterica provice, then we have COE.

And assuming the fractal will take place in the “city of gods” is pure speculation. We have no idea what a fractal researching “the fall of Abaddon” will entail.

You’re assuming the best case scenario for one fractal while expecting the worst case scenario for the other.

ZilentNight.5089:

Right now as it stands, the only content we get to pick between is either:
Abaddon Fractal if we pick Evon – more epic due to the 6 god we get to encounter (most likely)

Pure speculation, unfortunately. For all we know the Abaddon fractal will be an underwater dungeon where we fight Margonites in the Cathedral of Hidden Depths (located out in the Straits of Devastation), and zero gods present. Yay? I mean, it’s as likely to be that as what you’re suggesting.

That’s the flaw in basing your decision on a fractal that has zero information available.

LadyRhonwyn.2501:

Edge.4180:

It’s not just that Kiel is portrayed as a hero, it’s also because Evon Gnashblade is portrayed as a jerk. He does nothing but look after his own interests.

Have you played both of the in-game candidate trials? Kiel wants to recover the stolen items from the Aetherblade wreckage and redistribute it to the people the Aetherblade raided. She insists that her campaign “will not be built on the backs of victims”. It’s noble.

Meanwhile.. Gnashblade wants to recover the stolen items from the Aetherblade wreckage and use it to fund his political campaign. He went as far as to quote his version of the “finders keepers” rule as justification.

Now, imagine you’re one of the merchants devastated by the Aetherblade raid. Is Gnashblade sounding like the hero of that story to you?

At least Evon is honest about his greed. Kiel isn’t. Once you finish a trial, she falls out of her role for a bit but then recovers her “good” side.

I have zero idea (and, apparently, so do you) what you’re talking about there. I think you’re seeing what you want to see. At no point during the candidate trials does Kiel “fall out of her role for a bit but then recovers her ‘good’ side”. She’s good the whole time.

LadyRhonwyn.2501:

But her good side is making me not trusting Kiel. Either’s she’s too easily influenced by others or she has a secret agenda. Evon only has one agenda: making his Black Lion Company stronger and stronger. And as the BL is invested heavily in LA, he’ll protect LA as a demolished LA will not be good for business.

LoL.. what is this “secret agenda”? And how is she “too easily influenced by others”? She told her officer that she wanted the stolen items recovered and returned to their rightful owners, he pleaded with her to use them to fund her campaign, and she firmly stated no, making it clear that she wouldn’t build her campaign on the back of innocent victims. Doesn’t seem like she’s too easily influenced to me. Sounds like she stands by her principles.

ZilentNight.5089:

Edge, honestly it doesnt really matter what the dialogues of a NPC says.

It is all about what content us players will be able to enjoy down the line.
That is how we need to be making our decisions, not based on fluff.

Uh, no. You can choose to make your decision that way if you wish, but don’t expect everyone to do the same.

I guess this may surprise you (although in this game, by this point, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t be aware that some players appreciate both lore and role-playing in their MMOs), but for some people it does “really matter what the dialogues of a NPC says”. And if one of those characters (Evon Gnashblade) is portrayed as a jerk, then some players aren’t going to be overly fond of the idea of having him on the council in Lion’s Arch.

News flash: some of us are here for the story! If I’m just looking for content where I can beat mobs up and level, there’s a dozen different MMOs for that.

Xan Thav.5369:

Ok, let’s simplify both cases:

Thaumanova: Explosion due to an experiment gone wrong.

Fall of Abbadon: A fight between gods.

Ok, now let’s put each in their rightful glory.

Thaumanova: Explosion that broke the space-time continuum due to an experiment gone very wrong.

Fall of Abbadon: The fight between 6 gods ending in the exodus of the most powerful entity of all of Tyria.

Bottom line is, anyway you want to put it, simplified or actuality, the Abbadon Fractal is superior. Sure, Thaumanova might be interesting, and i’m sure i’d be thrilled to know what happened there, but at the cost of losing the only possibility of seeing the gods GW2 render (including pre-cursed Abbadon), I just don’t think it’s cool/elaborate/epic enough.

The problem with your argument is that none of us know how either idea will be presented. One may sound inherently more interesting to watch if certain assumptions are made, but that doesn’t guarantee that it will be more interesting to participate in.

Heck, you’re just assuming the gods will even be present in some form in this fractal. Unfortunately there has been absolutely ZERO guarantee of that.

All we know is that it will be “research into the Fall of Abaddon”. For all we know, that may just mean we’re going to be on a map along the Desolation theme where we fight waves of Margonites for no apparent reason. Honestly, that sounds more like most of the other fractals we’ve received up to this point than the far grander picture you’re painting.

RoRo.8270:

Silicato.4603:

The fact is that 3 million people bought the game. And… how many people write or read forums?
That’s why Kiel is winning and should win.

At least my votes are coming to her.
If I were an evon fan, i would stop voting him, or even waste gold on him. because no matter what, he is loosing and he will loose.

people knows who is kiel and she is likeable. people dont know who is evon, and the little we know is that he is an assassin, a lier, and a thief. This election was done just form the start.

You’re off your trolley if you think that this game has retained more than half of that 3 million figure. The reason kiel is winning and is going to win is because she is portrayed as the good candidate. We’ve been doing many quests with her while evon comes out of nowhere pretty much. Oh and people think the fall of abbadon fractal is the same event as the guild wars 1 event. Charr are also one of the least played races compared to humans. Anet also attributed the cash shop with evon.

It’s not just that Kiel is portrayed as a hero, it’s also because Evon Gnashblade is portrayed as a jerk. He does nothing but look after his own interests.

Have you played both of the in-game candidate trials? Kiel wants to recover the stolen items from the Aetherblade wreckage and redistribute it to the people the Aetherblade raided. She insists that her campaign “will not be built on the backs of victims”. It’s noble.

Meanwhile.. Gnashblade wants to recover the stolen items from the Aetherblade wreckage and use it to fund his political campaign. He went as far as to quote his version of the “finders keepers” rule as justification.

Now, imagine you’re one of the merchants devastated by the Aetherblade raid. Is Gnashblade sounding like the hero of that story to you?

Gandarel.5091:

*
If I would have to guess by my experiences, 50% of the kiel base votes for the WP..

That’s an odd guess. I actually feel the temporary waypoint reduction is one of the weaker points. You can either save in-game money which there is an infinite supply of, or you can save real-life money (which is harder to come by) on temporary key discounts.

I neither purchase keys, nor do I use waypoints for transporting around the world. So, neither mattered to me. But if I made use of both I would certainly prefer saving real-life money over in-game money. Still wouldn’t vote for Gnashblade, though, because he’s crooked and we have enough of that kind of politician in real life.

Siphaed.9235:

Could we please get a multiple vote feature instead of individual submissions?

With just under a week and a half left in the election, many people with 100, 200, 300+ votes find it hard to sit there and click the mouse button that many times on singular vote submissions. I do think it would be easier if we had a “Vote 10 Times for XXXX” on each candidate at the very least. Sure, more would be better (something like a Vote 50), but 10 itself cuts down clicks by 1/10th the time frame. Carpel tunnel hurts, man.

I just want to point out that you just pressed 513 buttons to write this complaint.

You would have been better off voting 100, 200, or 300 times.

Seriously, you can vote like 200 times in a minute.

Although officially stated, I’m really not buying into the “we won’t do both fractals” comment. You have a development team tossing several fractal concepts around. They pick the two best ideas they could come up with and then tell us to vote on a winner out of those two choices.

Eventually they’re going to want to add even more fractals. Do you really think the previous #2 pick is not going to come up for consideration again? That they’ll purposely shoot themselves in the foot by refusing to acknowledge their prior top-2 ideas? I can hear them now: “Let’s choose our third favorite idea, because #2 didn’t win the vote and now we must spite the players and make sure they never have it”.

I’m pretty sure if players cry consistently enough about it, they’ll add it in (especially since the developers are obviously already interested in doing either). I’m less concerned about the fractal choice and more interested in voting based on the type of character I’d rather put my vote behind – which means not voting for that thieving businessman Gnashblade.

Magnetron.5823:

Maybe its me, but i dont like to press the mouse button 200 times to vote ( have 200 vote tickets ) isnt there a way to just put them all in the basket?

For now i stop voting only because of this lol

Considering the number of characters in your complaint, it probably took you longer to write this than it would have taken to submit 200 votes.

Navzar.2938:

^True, we don’t know what he does with his profits. It’s could be going towards charities like orphanages, refuge shelters, and animal shelters for all we know.

Riiight. He’s sending adventurers to recover stolen items from Aetherblade shipwrecks and then using the recovered stolen property to finance his political campaign. To you this sounds like someone who is donating his profits towards “charities like orphanges, refuge shelters, and animal shelters”?

You’re a lousy judge of character. :P

Evon Gnashblade does nothing but look after his own interests and skin. Have you played both of the in-game candidate trials? Kiel wants to recover the stolen items from the Aetherblade wreckage and redistribute it to the people the Aetherblade raided.

Meanwhile.. Gnashblade wants to recover the stolen items from the Aetherblade wreckage and use it to fund his political campaign. He went as far as to quote his version of the “finders keepers” rule as justification.

Now, imagine you’re one of the merchants devastated by the Aetherblade raid. Is Gnashblade sounding like the hero of that story to you?

Pffft.

DarksunG.9537:

Isaiah Cartwright.8569:

Fellow Evon supporters I know Kiel is ahead but while she has the numbers we have the determination, Join me this Sunday and lets buy, farm and steal every ticket we can and show once and for all that this do-gooder Kiel has no chance.

This aggression will not stand.

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The reason she’s ahead is that she’s human. You pit the most popular race against the least popular race. how is Evon gonna win?

Why do you automatically assume it’s a Human vs Charr thing? Maybe it’s due to the fact that Kiel is portrayed as a decent individual and a hero, while Gnashblade is portrayed as a scheming businessman only interested in the bottom line.

Maybe players just want to see a decent individual holding a political position for a change (even if it is make-believe) instead of having art mirror life. 10% all time low public approval rating on Congress, you know. Too many Gnashblade’s there and not enough Kiel’s, frankly.

Kazera.3162:

Edge.4180:

coryorth.5289:

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Here’s some of the facts:
TLDR:
The 4 weeks doesn’t truly matter. Deals a deal, vote for what truly counts. Permanent Content
Abbadon: We get to see new stuff, discover things we’ll never see again since they’re in the past. Including a God. King Doric. And the Crystal Sea.
Reactor: Seeing the same stuff, and seeing things that will eventually get explained no matter what.

Your “facts” seem to be nothing but an awful lot of speculation.

Here’s a real “fact” :

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

..I’m hoping for Kiel. But I have a vested interest because my team will probably be working on the fractals. I had nothing to do with this content though.

To shed some light on my bias, our team brainstormed up a bunch of fractals for you guys to pick from and then we settled on the best two. I got pretty excited about Thaumanova, given what we intend for it to entail so I’m Kiel supporter all the way.

Abbadon will also be great if Evon wins though.

Sorry, but he sounds way more excited about the Thaumanova Reactor. I like the obligatory consolation prize pep-talk about Abbadon at the end.

You crack me up. You quoted this one dev to me and now to this fellow. That’s not a fact. That’s an opinion. The players are deciding what is going to happen, not that dev. Your ONLY argument against anyone advocating why Evon is the better choice is this dev’s quote.

Oh, and as for your “lot of speculation” thing. That post is actually full of real hard facts. Not speculation. And based on what we know about the lore of both the reactor and Abaddon, that is probably one of the best arguments anyone’s laid forth in this thread thus far.

You’ve managed to completely miss the point.

Nobody is arguing that we know something about the lore of both the reactor and Abaddon. What you have zero clue about, however, is what a fractal instance on either would entail. Any assumptions about either is speculation.

What we do actually know for a fact is that one of the developers that will be working on the fractals is “..pretty excited about Thaumanova, given what (they) intend for it to entail..”.

So, you can sit there and write a 50 page case study on why you believe “fractal reactor = yawn” and “fractal Abaddon = best thing since sliced bread”, but in the end you’re just speculating (with great bias, I might add) and not putting forth anything factual. In fact, such speculation flies completely in the fact of the one fact you do actually have about these two fractals: that a developer is pretty excited about their plans for a Thaumanova fractal, describing it as one of the two best ideas they’ve come up with for new fractals.

If that to you screams “yawn”, then you’re being a) silly and b) ridiculously biased. Try making an argument that doesn’t involve spinning opinions as facts.

coryorth.5289:

Edge.4180:

Sorry, but he sounds way more excited about the Thaumanova Reactor. I like the obligatory consolation prize pep-talk about Abbadon at the end.

Izzy has been an Arenanet Dev for longer, and seems much more enthusiastic about the Abaddon fractal. Your point?

Bzzt! Wrong. Try again. At a minimum your statement is based on pure speculation. At least I provided a legitimate quote to make mine.

The developer you’re referring to has only said he’s pro-Gnashblade. He has not mentioned why, and he has certainly not mentioned being “much more enthusiastic about the Abaddon fractal”.

So, you see, your attempt to dismiss my point by using a “senior” developer as a political prop has fallen flat.

I would say “your point?”, but you failed to score.

coryorth.5289:

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Here’s some of the facts:
TLDR:
The 4 weeks doesn’t truly matter. Deals a deal, vote for what truly counts. Permanent Content
Abbadon: We get to see new stuff, discover things we’ll never see again since they’re in the past. Including a God. King Doric. And the Crystal Sea.
Reactor: Seeing the same stuff, and seeing things that will eventually get explained no matter what.

Your “facts” seem to be nothing but an awful lot of speculation.

Here’s a real “fact” :

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

..I’m hoping for Kiel. But I have a vested interest because my team will probably be working on the fractals. I had nothing to do with this content though.

To shed some light on my bias, our team brainstormed up a bunch of fractals for you guys to pick from and then we settled on the best two. I got pretty excited about Thaumanova, given what we intend for it to entail so I’m Kiel supporter all the way.

Abbadon will also be great if Evon wins though.

Sorry, but he sounds way more excited about the Thaumanova Reactor. I like the obligatory consolation prize pep-talk about Abbadon at the end.

Red Jay.2516:

Seems like apart from izzy, all ANet devs want Ellen “Mary Sue” Kiel to win.

I guess they just like that type of character.

My vote goes for Evon. This is not real life, I want an interesting character in charge, not another ultimate paragon of good.

You say that as if the current real-life Congress is closer in character to Kiel than Evon. Don’t we all wish.

I would think in a country that’s up to its ears in politicians looking out for their own selfish needs and ignoring the will of the people, that “interesting change” you’d be looking for is the breath of fresh air that Ellen Kiel represents.

Because, (as far as “ultimate paragons of good” go) where else are you going to find that sort of character outside of a fantasy story? Certainly not in “real life”.

Why duplicate the conditions of the real world inside a game that’s supposed to be a refreshing escape from the annoying stresses of political incompetence we all have to put up with every day? What’s the Congressional approval rating at these days? 10%?

And you think a shady businessman like Gnashblade is going to make things “interesting?” More like the status quo. Kiel’s a hero and a soldier with her eye on the ball, who will direct us at the really important threats. Unlike Gnashblade, she won’t be wasting our time with (wheee!) political scandals.

Honestly, if your lives hung in the balance, and someone had the power to authorize a rescue operation which would, unfortunately, cut into profits and the bottom line.. would you want that someone to be the business savvy Evon Gnashblade? Or a tried and true soldier/hero like Ellen Kiel?

Ellen Kiel, bad for business in all the right ways.

Kazera.3162:

Evon is the obvious no brainer choice.
Not sure what’s making people vote Kiel, when a reactor explosion is not nearly as cool (or important) as is the rendering of Abaddon in GW2.
If it wasn’t for Abaddon, most of the big events in GW1 would have not even happened.
Which, might I remind, those events make up what GW2 is in many ways.

Doesn’t seem so no-brainer to me.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

..I’m hoping for Kiel. But I have a vested interest because my team will probably be working on the fractals. I had nothing to do with this content though.

To shed some light on my bias, our team brainstormed up a bunch of fractals for you guys to pick from and then we settled on the best two. I got pretty excited about Thaumanova, given what we intend for it to entail so I’m Kiel supporter all the way.

Abbadon will also be great if Evon wins though.

Sorry, but he sounds way more excited about the Thaumanova Reactor. I like the obligatory consolation prize pep-talk at the end.

Chista.4750:

Edge.4180:

I prefer to have adventures that center around the truly epic threats, rather than be sidetracked by missions that deal with cleaning up political messes and investigating corruption in the political system. Seriously, we get enough of the latter in real life and not enough of the former. I don’t need to see art mirroring life in my game too.

You’ll get plenty of both regardless of who wins, including the political ones. We know hardly anything of Magnus but that’s who put Kiel forward. how much has truly been epic the last year? With Kiel constantly telling us to solve her issues? It will be no different. Now Evon is the kind that is likely to cause real epic issues say, by importing a box of corrupted Istani Djinns. Remember what a pain they were without being corrupt on top? Yeah… chuckle Besides, whoever wins is like 1 in what.. 10? votes on the counsel? Actually might as well vote Kiel so she’ll be too busy to be in our way and bore us to death. Leave Evon to make worse trouble for lack of occupation besides striking shady deals =)

I disagree. With Kiel at the helm our upcoming adventures are likely to focus on external threats. She’s a soldier, and her eye (and stories) will be aimed at real targets and larger threats, rather than self-made ones.

With Gnashblade, there’s no doubt in my mind that story (and our time, and development time) is going to be “wasted” on his political ambition and schemes. What do I care of the Black Lion Trading Company and its interests? I had enough of that type of “adventure” with Minister Caudecus.. which, frankly, really wasn’t all that exciting the first time around.

As for Magnus the Bloody-Handed.. I disagree about hardly knowing anything about him. Then again, I’ve been following the novels. If you haven’t then he might seem like a stranger to you.

Chista.4750:

Edge.4180:

Chista.4750:

My reason for voting for Evon is simple; He makes me smile, with his witty/snide comments and his nigh-on sadistic ways (popping Karka on a bunch of people he crammed onto an island? oii!). Kiel is too… formal and doesn’t really tug any of my heartstrings. Getting that guy on the counsel will ensure chaos =)

Because voting for politicians who put themselves ahead of the people they represent has been working out so well for us in real life. I know when I look towards Congress, I’m thinking “Wheee! Fun stuff!”.

Let’s get some of that into our gaming too!

Ok, maybe not.

Actually, issues and puzzles to solve are exactly what you want in your gaming experience ^^ It would be very boring if you logged in one day and found Kiel had solved all your problems for you, save the one where there’s still 5 dragons. But you need to wait at least another year for that expansion to come out.

Besides, there’s a difference between Charr morality and Human morality. Evon might think of his own benefits first, but I doubt he’d actually do much to kill off his customers. It would ruin his business.

I prefer to have adventures that center around the truly epic threats, rather than be sidetracked by missions that deal with cleaning up political messes and investigating corruption in the political system. Seriously, we get enough of the latter in real life and not enough of the former. I don’t need to see art mirroring life in my game too.

Chista.4750:

My reason for voting for Evon is simple; He makes me smile, with his witty/snide comments and his nigh-on sadistic ways (popping Karka on a bunch of people he crammed onto an island? oii!). Kiel is too… formal and doesn’t really tug any of my heartstrings. Getting that guy on the counsel will ensure chaos =)

Because voting for politicians who put themselves ahead of the people they represent has been working out so well for us in real life. I know when I look towards Congress, I’m thinking “Wheee! Fun stuff!”.

Let’s get some of that into our gaming too!

Ok, maybe not.

I’m pretty confident that, regardless of the outcome of the vote, we’ll end up getting both of the fractals being dangled in front of us eventually. They would not have offered either of them as a reward if they didn’t have an interest in telling those stories.

Understanding that, basing your entire vote off which fractal you’d prefer to see sooner rather than later is probably silly.

Duke Nukem.6783:

i think people who make this vote about more than it is are really stupid

do you want abbadon fractal? or the reactor? pick one, dont make any form of discussion about anything else, answer the question and vote accordingly

I think you’re selling it short.

I’m pretty sure the election results will have an ongoing effect on the living story beyond just the choice of which fractal the developers implement sooner rather than later (as I’m sure they’ll eventually offer both). That much should be obvious.

As for the humor of the thread, I can’t even get the Black Lion Trading Company interface to load half of the time whenever I’m in a crowded area. If that’s a sign of Gnashblade’s efficiency at work, no thanks. :P

Singer.8740:

Sleel.8365:

Enrixce.8471:

The reason Kiel is ahead is cus Evons bonus reward isn’t that great as it still makes us use more money. All my friends think that Kiel will reduce WP cost by 50% but im pretty sure it will be 10% max.
I’m only voting for Evon as i think he has better ideas than Kiel. Kiel doesn’t know anything about politics she should stay at the frontlines of the Lionguard as she is now

Lucien Razorbow says Vote for Evon

What the hell does “politics” have to do with anything. This isn’t like we have candidates who are going to be making laws and motions to affect how we play the game. It’s a mechanic to introduce one of two fractals and either cheaper keys or waypoints. One has better ideas, the other should stay on the front lines. Crap. This isn’t role playing that has a point in what this event is going to introduce into the game. And even if it was, people who ‘know about politics" are the ones who milk it for it’s corruption, while patting on your head for being a good little mark, like the politicians we actually have irl.

Except it was confirmed that which one you vote for will have far reaching consequences on future living story updates outside of “whichever fractal I think is awesome and the other one is kitten / kitten and mabie kitten ieherp.” So choose carefully who you vote for. Do you want the strait arrow or the business man to be deciding living story from now on, think about it and choose what you like best.

So.. a crooked politician looking out for his own interests instead of a “straight arrow” politician trying to do what’s right is what we really need? Because that thinking works out so well in real life, let’s drag it into our game world as well.. am I right?

Thanks, but no thanks. I’ll stick with Kiel. I like my fantasy games to have as little real-life nonsense in them as possible. If I want to see bad politics in action I just have to look toward congress.

Regardless of whether my preferred candidate wins, I’m really disappointed with how this election event has been turning out. I haven’t even been paying attention to the forum lately or the theories here, only stopping by to complain because it’s obvious that those at ArenaNet responsible for setting this event up seems to favoring Evon Gnashblade over Ellen Kiel.

First, they saddle Ellen Kiel with the less appealing content/rewards. They offer players the choice of either saving real-life money (keys) versus in-game money (waypoint costs). On top of that we have Gnashblade essentially attempting to buy votes with mobs dropping “reminder” loot backs from the candidate filled with ticket and coins. Then, they announce polling results while Ellen Kiel holds a small lead knowing that will only cause Evon Gnashblade supporters to panic and come out in force. And now I see developer posts heavily favoring Gnashblade.

What’s the deal? I thought this was supposed to be an event where the players determined the outcome of the story for a change? And yet, ArenaNet seems to trying pretty hard to steer the outcome into their preferred direction. If you wanted this storyline to go a specific way you shouldn’t have teased us with a “choice”. The bias is really annoying. And I really hope this election goes in Kiel’s favor, if only to put the developers in what is apparently the undesired path of continuing forward with that outcome.