Guild Wars 2

Some people just like to watch the forums Burn eh OP?

Nothing you can do my friend, and btw they can epi off of siege too

Also for this reason I use smokestack and bear instead of bb, bear has carp ton of health and the aoe cleanse on 20 sec cd is not bad (for fights over 8 people)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJARTnUqA1Ci9CC+rActghFhav8A4o9QvES9PKOhXuEpfG-TJBGQBBZ/hAWGAAPBgFcJAAA

This is a shout trooper/seeker amulet base ranger dropped druid for MM, Ive found some success with this build and wanted to share it for all those burnt out with support druid (get quite burnt out with staff since I use it to support my guildies when we havoc) . Will this be meta hell no, I’m not delusional but its fun and I’ve got quite a few whispers saying stuff like wow how did you do that? yea its nothing too crazy diff from the shout build just a bit more bursty and has an unblock-able pet and MOC for some crazy bursts

My main combo with it is :,(ss uses unrelenting assault at the start of the fight I time it with lb2, then swap pets and weapons, gs 3 and start the BB fire animation(which is unblock-able due to clarion bond), then daze with skill 5, and maul, and if im lucky i would’ve interrupted a heal or skill and proc MOC for some crazy sick burst,

Mico managing and understanding pet behavior and weapon swaping is essential to this build

Pros
decent 1v1er with a near constant protection up-time, and using “guard” during heavy bursts it can take quite a bit of flat damage, at least enough to get your burst off,

Burst can be really good, also great for plus+1ing a fight,

nobody expects this build, Ive gotten some whispers like holy kitten how did you do that.

Super fun (fingers in ears la la la meta menders I can’t hear you)

Cons
Yea its not meta, doesn’t have the crazy reset elite specs offer
condi mesmer, and support ele will give you trouble
Good luck trying to stay on point in areas like forest red home or water in legacy
Selfish build best suited for solo play

some notes about using it effectively

sigils are up to you I just like my quickness and some life steal (maybe leeching, hydromancy, and battle are better for GS)

Consider running remorseless instead of lead the wind for some deeps increase, I prefer lead so i can pierce through minions clones, lb 4 peeps trying to rez or stomp

use sig of renawal sparingly I like it cause it always seems to catch that one pesky burn or torment I couldn’t clear. I only pop it when im about to be super fged. consider running stone instead. also can take the sig cd reduction trait but I personally love MOC and get 6-8k mauls with it.

Just figured Id share something I’m using.
Disclaimer: no I’m not a hardcore pro pvper or crazy sick youtube guy, but I mainly wvw, and pvp when its slow, and duel when I can so I think I might have a decent build and have a little semblense of something.

Tell me what do you guys thing? what are some off-meta builds ya’ll are trying, what are some ways I might be able to improve this build?

Balthazzarr.1349:

There is no real reason they should or will add gliding to WvW. As many have noted it’s just not something that would be good to have except maybe for those PvE players that like to glide. Give me gliding then give me mass invisibility so the zerg on the ground can shoot the zerg in the sky without being seen… and so on and so on…

Nope, just nerf condi and the other gimicks and give us back good old hard fighting! Now THAT would be fun.

One you shouldn’t be able to do that anyways, two they wvw needs a person to work closely with the skills team in order to properly balance wvw.

Third get out of your box gliding would be dope (no stealth) and make it so when you get hit once you fall out of the air. In a map like dbl it would be great an invisible wall here there and boom that map would feel fantastic to traverse. You would have some amazing weird fights too.

The other maps with invisible walls set place wouldn’t even be affected that much.

they have the the in the game for no gliding zones, and they could make the archers have the skill from bloodstone fen and shoot you down.

unsurprisingly op (wvw community is super anti change anything) the community seems to disagree with gliding in wvw, made a reddit post about if it was enabled for one 1 week in the dbl and everyone acted like I cussed out their mom.
I would love this as gliding is very smooth and brings a lot to movement in pve

now imagine in wvw were a zerg is chasing you and you jump off a cliff to escape or your roaming at the bottom and 20+ players descend upon you sounds dope right? but nope people care more about some mystical un-achievable balance instead making wvw fun first. Anet acually said they flirted with the idea but then backed away for some reason

also natural stride and sig of the hunt are redundant

Archon.6480:

GussJr.1643:

@Archon, this is what I run

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAnfVjUqQ5KWzCGsAVLWMEsmOwJoEAvVHrpVmAwor0lCT6mzUA-TZRAABRfKA64BA0z+D6XGAgjAAA

Thanks Guss! I’ll try it out!

no stun breaks except for the 1 passive?, how do you deal with warriors

fluidmonolith.3584:

If I recall, Crusader amulet used to be in the game but was removed.

Yes it was cause healing + toughness =broken bunker

They’re both NA jeck

Trying to get people to fight, seems like everyone runs from fights nowadays

Justine.6351:

Jayne.9251:

I’m wearing dire?

/checks pants.

Nope.

This is reminding me of lil’ devil or whatever his name was.

Edit: Ooh! You play EU don’t you? Lol, nevermind, I’ll come find you

Since you don’t wear dire I would duel, I hate builds that stack passive defensive stats and face tank. However I am HoD/NA. Not sure if we can fight in a guild hall or not.

ooo can i get on teh duels too?

Archon.6480:

Necromancer

Added hot key to facilitate targeting. Anyone can press alt-n to target the nearest Necromancer.

Ranger

Removed Menders amulet to increase Druid build diversity. We also increased healing scaling while reducing base numbers. Healing will be more effective with over 1,400 healing power and significantly less below this.

Warrior

We felt that Warrior needs more passive defense so increased endure pain duration by 200%.

:)

i normally find ur posts to be to QQy but kitten that one made laugh

ive actually been finding seeker base ranger to be pretty nasty, i run nm,bm,mm trooper sunes lb gs. with protect me, guard, and sig of renweal

how come none of the pvp changes apply to wvw?

Justine.6351:

Jayne.9251:

Justine.6351:

Jayne.9251:

Lol I still do. Reverted from elites.

yes but can you actually play it…

Let’s arrange a play date and you can find out

xox

Challenges people to “duels” with condi mesmer,
Explains current state of roaming.

? roamings deff not dead, it was always a small comunity who roamed? all i do is roam (unless rem feels like driving then its haocing).

i done do it with base ranger too, the only builds i have trouble with are condi mes, 3k amour ferocity utility buffed rev or warrior. just cant put enough pressure on them and they do insane damage still

SuB.6845:

Do you really think they should nerf during active season? This would lead to a lot of angry players. The best I can think of is: one big patch right after season, and one close to the start of the next season, but only some number tweaking.
I feel like the game is quite balanced at this moment, with a lot of viewable builds. I could only think of these changes:
- Slightly fairer tradeoff between offense/defense on guardian
- Engineer has a bit too high sustain (while having moderate damage with some peaks)
- Somehow make the warrior just a bit more mobile

yeah nooo warriors dont need any more mobility, maybe a buff to core traits currently there is no build diversity to them strength or discipline. zerker, defense

engines got weird nerfs last patch that nobody wanted give them there shield block back

tweak condimancer down a lil bit, make power mesmers great again

give thieves there old back stab back theyve been getting dumb nerfs lately, nerf vault and bound, buff other staff skills. (spamming evades and 1 skill is not skill)

give base ranger the pet rework u promised and give core ranger better access to
cleanse. (if they did this i would even bee fine with druidac clarity nerf) and make ancient seeds 15 sec cd(anyone whos ever fought 2 druids knows how annyoing it can be since your constantly getting rooted), buff sword aa and reverse the skill chain for sword 2

give eles their old diamond skin back,

let revs at least cleanse two conditions on legend swap

for guards their fine maybe increase the cd for virtues,

buff nercos gs maybe increase the attack speed or give them a leap

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Choppy.4183:

Eleazar.9478:

Jeknar.6184:

At this point I don’t think anyone here can still play a vanilla build anymore.

Lol jek you’ve met the pain of my pure ranger build

True. Yer sick.

I’d limp to glory with an all-vanilla week too… or maybe I’d flame out and my self confidence would be shattered.

BiFF outta no where!!!

Jeknar.6184:

At this point I don’t think anyone here can still play a vanilla build anymore.

Lol jek you’ve met the pain of my pure ranger build

i think it looks dope

pew pew problem? ROFL lb ranger and rifle warrior arent even like half meta, yea theyre okay in 1v1s but idk man I hate to say this but get gud I guess, seriously projectiles drop off in usefulness past a 4v4, even that’s pushing it, hell 1 ele will make that useless. ( due to the reflects, blocks, and damage reduction)

alright jokes aside what are you running that your having such a hard time maybe i give some ideas for easy counters

Don’t get me wrong I love my elite specs but it’s fun to go vanilla. Figured something like this might’ve been not too hard to implement and the way people rage about elite specs in wvw and PvP and in the profession forums you would think people would enjoy some old school play. Guess not

You must be fun at parties

Like golem rush but cooler, were for 1 week only all hot specs are disabled

DeceiverX.8361:

Eleazar.9478:

Levetty.1279:

Eleazar.9478:

Before hot it was the main reason everyone hated on ranger, we were a selfish class

Then why were Rangers taken into dungeons for Spirits and Spotter before HoT was announced?

That was more like we’ll if your gonna go ranger…..

And that was one small role in one piece of content. And the rest of that saying everyone else could do it better.

This is just strictly untrue. For a very long time, the ranger was taken (much like the chronomancer) because the amount of group utility it offered provided the best possible damage increase party-wide. Until FT engineer was indirectly buffed massively via the condition changes and sinister gear, the ranger was an absolute staple in every speed clear group.

Fact is most of the ranger community was running berserker longbow with none of the utility in its build, and stood 1500 units away from the fight pewpewing with longbow while offering (and being offered) next to no support/utility. And when playing selfishly, it was and still is relative crap in terms of its damage output and the likes. Not to mention the pet didn’t have its health and PvE damage reduction yet, so it was useless to run BM. That’s where the stigma comes from.

As far as the next expansion goes, I hope ANet plans to discontinue sPvP and WvW because those formats’ communities will not survive another one with the competitive-format game balance and diversity continuously worsened as it has been due to HoT. No amount of suger-coating elite specs will increase diversity when so many elements of the elites are terribly-designed and just blatantly superior to every possible build path compared to core.

Frankly, and this is a conservative estimate, I believe more than half of the next elites will not be played at all in any competitive environment unless the current ones are absolutely and massively nerfed.

Says the guy campaigning for an elite spec is sasing nerf everything except your build right?

No I expect the next expac to bring more diversity as long as the current elite specs keep up with the second iteration.

Also you seem very very negative (why are thieve mains always so negatibe?) take a break come back later, trust me it works wonders. Hell judging by henleths recent Reddit post in response to grouch leaving it sounds like season 5 is gonna be the kitten. Also didn’t anet say since the linking the server population has gone up per server? (Btw the community voted on it to keep it)

Either way none of this has to do the with the og post saying ranger should be Dragon hunter, I pointed out that druid was a great addition to ranger and I however do hope the next spec is offensive oriented. Which judging from the leaks (probably dagger main hand) it will be.

And cripple but yea it would not only be thematic but, will give Condi ranger some hope against a warrior

macon.4065:

ahem…. https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Jotun

Joten are a lesser species of Giant.

The word Joten does mean giant

I come to the wvw forums for interesting discussion and I’ll see are pipe dream reworks or stuff for gw3 rofl. Nobody has a clear idea what wvw needs.

atheria.2837:

Earix.5684:

Yes, group stability would be a good way to promote ranger/druid in WvW.

However, I’m tired of reading “druids only have 2 stability sources on a 60ish seconds CD”. If you look closer at druid spells, you will notice that we also have a stability source while in Avatar. It doesn’t solve the group stability topic but it might help you.

Natural Convergence (2 sec stab, 10 sec CD)
1) Start channeling Natural Convergence
2) Stow weapon immediately
3) Run around and enjoy your stab

You’re saying open or keep open the Hero panel and try to stow a weapon while fighting?

You really don’t WvW much, do you?

/Facepalm do YOU even wvw? In the endeavor to talk poop to that fellow ranger you kinda made yourself look incompetent
Anyways for your benefit, here’s a video explaining weapon stow and what it can do for you, granted the video is for mesmers, however the same concept can be applied to any class, in this case natural convergence.

Anyways enjoy https://youtu.be/qipMu_1-oYk

Also good groups won’t care about ascended they mainly just care your main maxed with the right stats.

I by no means am a raider but A raid guild I was rolling with and cleared 8 with. Said power buffer is fine for an exp group even prefered but magis is better if your learning or purging it up

I think it has to do more with they don’t know how to use the pets correctly, so they get frustrated and qq about it. I think 40% of being a above average ranger is knowing what your pets do for your, when they should do it for you, and how it should it for you. like one of those youtuber peeps (i summon thee donnee) should make a basic video on some basic pet behavior and some tips and tricks Im always suppriesd when helping a fellow ranger they’re all mind blown, example smokescale does rev sword 3 right out of the gate, so basically you know when you go into combat or swap to the pet boom your now an honorary rev. Wolf and hound do a knockdown out of the gate. This is important stuff to know, pets can make rangers very very strong 1v1ers, even if you just use them for utility

(granted there are alot of pets that should get reworks and yes the ai can be quite annyoing at times but its really not as bad as people make it out to be)

Exotic s/a, the difference between exotic and ascended isn’t that much.

Auto attack, use path of scares when it’s off CD and whirling defense is a nice burst with quickness.

I love gs but it’s a better weapon for pvp/wvw

Name: Eleazar Lionheart
Server: Ferguson’s Crossing
Game type: Pvx, mainly wvw/pvp

Is wind still active?

Is this guild still around?

Dadnir.5038:

I’d say that the real issue is that they released only one elite spec at first. This is probably what hurt the game diversity the most. Now, each time they will release new E-Spec, the player base will most likely jump on it, forgetting the current for the new one.

So yeah, at the moment it hurt the game and after each release it will hurt the game as much as it hurt it now. But we can expect a bit more diversity each time they will release new E-Spec.

The real issue is more that core specs are not strong enough to rival the new E-spec, which wound the game in it’s current state. (Well… when you see some core spec traits, special mechanisms or skills, it’s easy to understand why…)

Exactly! If the next specs are equal with the hot ones then we should expect to see a whole new breath of diversity

Sultane.9150:

Why would you ever get rid of pets? Once you learn to play with a build, and really get the timings right, pets can be very effective. Yes, pets are laggy and there’s a huge delay for their F2; it’s annoying as hell to use. BUT you can learn to play with the pets’ problems. That’s what makes a good ranger. We are the only class that has an NPC CONSISTENLY fighting along with us, and we can control that NPC. Learn to control it and you’ll hardly ever lose to a 1v1. Should Anet fix pets? Yes. Remove them? Hell no. I don’t wanna be another DH.

Exactly!! Hell I just view the pet as an extra skill. It goes a loooong way when you understand pet behavior, for example canines first attack will usually be a knockdown, and I’ve seen it hit for 3k on light classes. Smokescales first attack will always be the rev sword 3 skill. So when you enter combat or swap pets boom free skill

KeyOrion.9506:

I have fun running LB, Axe/Axe. Can’t say the majority of the skills on the bar are very helpful, except for pulling enemy to you and offhand #5. However when I charge an enemy with rapidfire, close the distance, then switch to axe/axe to cleave with #5, I can seriously do major damage to many. For the heavy warriors, guardians they usually just go invuln on my rapidfire and don’t expect a ranger to go hand to hand. When i’m up in their face they use their cleaving, when I hit my Stone signet, then retaliate with axe/axe #5. After that, pull back go back to longbow, and start the process all over again.

Would however like to change up my Nourishment. What would you reckomend for Nourishment for a ranger going axe/axe? I tend towards Omnomberry Ghost for health steal, but I’m open to suggestions.

Since your gaining might stacks boon duration food wouldn’t be bad. He’ll I even think someone is testing a might stacking build using main hand axe on meta battle

Although I would seriously (you do you I’m just saying) take sword or staff or gs on weapon swap instead, simply because if your fighting a defense traited warrior with sheild mace, a ele in earth, mesmer, scrapper,they will completely negate a majority of your dps at least 40% of the time and either gain the upper hand very quickly or you just won’t be able to kill them period.

The Game Slayer.7632:

Eleazar.9478:

Mikhael.2391:

Can we just end this thread already? ANything on nerfings necros atm its stupid.

I agree necros can use some buffs but the epi meta is kitten, everyone and there mom has to bring lots of cleanse.

Maybe make it a badd kitten aoe boon rip like remove 6 boons around target

Ohhh I realllllly like that one. Or even a conversion to condis that only lasts for 4-5 seconds.

I guess a boon conversion would be more thematic, I wouldn’t want it to be be blockable as with all the guards in wvw it would make it usless, however a cd increase would be fair.

Mikhael.2391:

Can we just end this thread already? ANything on nerfings necros atm its stupid.

I agree necros can use some buffs but the epi meta is kitten, everyone and there mom has to bring lots of cleanse.

Maybe make it a badd kitten aoe boon rip like remove 6 boons around target

Even better reflect it. It’s not broken look for the tells

Levetty.1279:

Henry.5713:

Why does the transition into a healer bother people so much?

Because it wasn’t why we chose the class? Because it wasn’t what they sold the game as? Because the spec is the most rigid interms of what it offers and the entire things looks like it was basically ‘instead of designing an interesting spec lets just throw a bunch of aoe heal skills on it so we can claim Rangers are meta for our new raid mode now’ and they even failed at that which is why they had to add the GoTL trait in the beta so Rangers were used over Eles and Revs.

Hey base Condi ranger has a viable spot in raids.

And you really need to open your mind more druid is fantastic for team fights, even if you don’t go full support. Aoe stun break, lock downs, and aoe stealth and super speed, plus 3 blasts

I’m sure the next expac will give us a more offensive spec. And base ranger has gotten buffed since hot too. The last buff to clarion bond is amazing so much so when I solo roam I go base ranger for deeps. And oh Lord the SHOuT rework boiiiii. Before hot you either ran signits, traps or ws, now you can have a viable build with pretty much anything,

Hell we even have the most diverse paths for raiding, magis, power buffer, or Condi druid/ranger.

Idk why everyone says celestial form is clunky it’s actually pretty smooth and you can pop some pretty dope combos with it

Diku made me laugh quite a bit, the sad thing is your probably on to something, I think some kind of explanation would be good for the newer or casual wvwers

pandora.8475:

Eleazar.9478:

Bahwhhahah that’s funny, makes me what server your with?

Simple solution use a new route like offer said or just hop maps. If you run out in the same place disorganized, against a organized comp you will always have a bad time.

I am in black gate.

Make friends with those QQ guys some of them are a bit to salty for my taste but, overall I’d say they’re a pretty good guild fought quite a few of em when FC was linked with YB.

Enable gliding and it would become my favorite map

Mmorpg usually has pretty terrible articles that read more like a forum kitten session. take anything they say with heaps of salt. Usually they’re mostly overly negative and don’t actually report on anything.

Bahwhhahah that’s funny, makes me what server your with?

Simple solution use a new route like offer said or just hop maps. If you run out in the same place disorganized, against a organized comp you will always have a bad time.

I agree it’s pretty weak atm, simply because it never got buffed since the Condi change (meaning it was balanced around the old Condi formula which wasn’t all that, if there was a way to cleanse your pet besides pet swap it would be amazing, with sig of renewal it takes 4 conditions from you every 10 secs which it pretty pretty nice

What I would like to see is honed axes be moved to ws and made condition damage and empathetic bond be moved to bm, not only would it be more thematic but 1 a line besides ws would have cleanse, and two, main hand axe is a Condi weapon for all intents and purposes

Henry.5713:

Why does the transition into a healer bother people so much? It is not like you can no longer play a base ranger or can’t play an offensive druid.
Would you have been happy if all we received had been a more powerful, updated longbow ranger spec? Something like the berserker which doesn’t change much apart from improving the base class, not making the class more versatile and still leaving it with the same huge holes it always had.

Just QQers man, however a net did it to themselves when they let zerk meta dominate every game mode for do long. So now peeps refuse to adapt. (Looks like more and more that leak was right so looking forward to main hand offensive ranger spec)

I’m a druid fan too it’s fun, plugged a glaring hole in ranger(weak kitten team support) and even fits into the lore extremely well (should’ve been expanded upon) maybe even more so than the other elite specs.