Guild Wars 2

I don’t even know if I believe they hide names because they want to avoid abuse.
Names aren’t hidden in sPvP and that’s supposed to be the more competitive side of the game; IE the side with the majority of insults/taunts

juicifruitz.6251:

My only issue with DB, and much like CD, is they start to kick into full gear when I have to log off (11pm-12am AESDT). Other than that I have no issues.

If both YB and EB got their Eastern Usa players playing early in the morning 8-9AM EST! then this conversion about the DB Asian gang wouldn’t be happening.

YB and EB are both taking advantage of DB during the NA time period, but not to the same extent that DB does during their Prime Period. At the end of the day at least all servers have something to fight against.

Now lets just put that topic to bed and go back out into wvw and kill pixels and not type them on a forum.

In addition, also to be fair.
Servers tend to double team DB during NA primetime which makes it even harder on our NA force.

And no, this isn’t a conspiracy type thing where I think everyone only attacks DB and ignores everyone else, I know you attack each other too; nor does it bother me that this double teaming occurs. But it makes most sense for YB and EB to attack DB during their NA Prime Time to try to balance out the lead we take overnight.

PS EDIT: YB, DB, EB, all servers in this tier’s second initial starts with B C:

Gorefiend.9675:

EnRohbi.2187:

Maybe your night crew is no where near t4 quality.
What about that?

I don’t know what scores you’ve been looking at,
But we’ve been holding our lead pretty long into the day and when we do lose it, we do not get very far behind.

You can make yourself feel better all you want by crying about our Asian population,
But at the end of the day it’s only an excuse for why you aren’t winning in cumulative points right now.

Whoosh as everything goes right over your head. Don’t worry, I will do my best to explain this for ya.

First of all, when trying to examine NA and Oceanic/Asian crew separately. Combining them in an analysis, as you did here “But we’ve been holding our lead pretty long into the day and when we do lose it, we do not get very far behind”, is a very bad idea.

Second, when your morning crew can crush every server from t4 down, then it means that they are stronger than all the servers from t8 through t4. Please though, I would absolutely love to hear your logic behind this: “Maybe your night crew is no where near t4 quality.”

note: I have no quarrels with the DB Asian population. No server should be at fault for just having people. Though they do very effectively highlight the problems with golems.

Woosh,
It’s almost as if my last post mocking your entire argument went right over your head. Sorry about that.

I’ve just heard so many people make ridiculous claims discounting DB’s force because our Asian population happens to be larger that I’ve stopped taking them entirely seriously.

morrolan.9608:

Furey.6734:

I disagree. I think DB NA prime is Tier 4. Maybe not the top of tier 4 but we are there.

I personally think its probably tier 5 but then again so probably is YB.

To be fair (And this honestly isn’t a troll post),
If two out of three servers in tier 4 don’t belong in tier 4, wouldn’t it make more sense that the third server belongs in tier 3 instead? o;

But in all seriousness,
I can assure you (Yak’s Bend) that you would steamroll through tier 5 just as effectively as us and Ehmry Bay did over the last two weeks.

Tier 4 is where all three of us belong,
That’s why this match is not a landslide in any one direction.

Valtrex.2895:

EnRohbi.2187:

Gorefiend.9675:

Furey.6734:

I disagree. I think DB NA prime is Tier 4. Maybe not the top of tier 4 but we are there. Without complaining, our NA crew is being focused by both of the other servers else we would be shooting up the tier alot faster. This is fine and I encourage it since I think DB should stay in tier 4 a while before moving up allowing our NA prime player base to build up and get stronger. Either way, we are here to stay in the tier this time.

DB NA team is nowhere near t4 quality. At best I would put it at mid t5.

Maybe your night crew is no where near t4 quality.
What about that?

I don’t know what scores you’ve been looking at,
But we’ve been holding our lead pretty long into the day and when we do lose it, we do not get very far behind.

You can make yourself feel better all you want by crying about our Asian population,
But at the end of the day it’s only an excuse for why you aren’t winning in cumulative points right now.

It’s not an excuse… It’s a fact.
If a server can hold +500 ticks in off hrs, at T2-5 then yeah.

No clue why your so defensive about it, during the day DB holds around 120-170ish ticks till prime time.
While other two servers are at war holding 240-350ish PPT swings.

Once again, whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better
You can’t even hold +500 ticks during our off hours, so how do you consider yourself any better?

Gorefiend.9675:

Furey.6734:

I disagree. I think DB NA prime is Tier 4. Maybe not the top of tier 4 but we are there. Without complaining, our NA crew is being focused by both of the other servers else we would be shooting up the tier alot faster. This is fine and I encourage it since I think DB should stay in tier 4 a while before moving up allowing our NA prime player base to build up and get stronger. Either way, we are here to stay in the tier this time.

DB NA team is nowhere near t4 quality. At best I would put it at mid t5.

Maybe your night crew is no where near t4 quality.
What about that?

I don’t know what scores you’ve been looking at,
But we’ve been holding our lead pretty long into the day and when we do lose it, we do not get very far behind.

You can make yourself feel better all you want by crying about our Asian population,
But at the end of the day it’s only an excuse for why you aren’t winning in cumulative points right now.

Aw, cute,
More people complaining that they can’t keep up with our Asian coverage >:

and if you’re good at avoiding damage,
It honestly doesn’t become that much of a challenge to completely avoid all Agony until you get to Jade Maw

Thrashbarg.9820:

EnRohbi.2187:

Thrashbarg.9820:

(except thieves, there is no counter to culling….).

The only time I lose to thieves is when they have a partner to distract me while they hit me with their burst.

Otherwise, culling is simple to counter, just get used to using Tab to target instead of clicking. Just because they haven’t shown up on your screen doesn’t mean your client doesn’t know they’re there

You must be incredibly lucky with tab and play a class with fast casting skills.

Tab usually only gets me moas and deer, or other players far away from the thief I am trying to find. Even if I manage to tab him for that half second I, can’t get off any meaningful attack (ride the lightning has this cool effect of shooting me past the target to max range if they stealth while casting, “wohoo! tab worked! gap closah! oh noes! off cliff! splat!”…..).

I guess in a 1v1 with a thief in an area completely devoid of pve mobs, tab might help more, but what thief in his right mind would choose to engage in an area like that?

Admittedly, mesmers (my class) are quite good at countering thieves. (Still a counter)
Tab helps you keep track of them, Distortion makes their initial burst pretty useless. If you know they’re around you and in stealth they have a much harder time getting the jump on you.
Just don’t panic and start mashing keys

AOE helps a lot. If you stand inside your own AOEs a thief will be forced to attack from range and they have far less burst then. Also the trails from a pistol #1 will be visible even with culling so you can see exactly where the thief is standing.

I use confusion to great advantage while fighting thieves, but that is again, a mesmer thing mostly.

Just remember that the GC thieves that kill you in a couple hits are the same ones that die in a couple hits themselves.
And the thieves that are built to really abuse culling and stealth will probably not kill you anyway, those fights usually tend to be pretty much a standoff

The transfers DB got last week have definitely had an effect on our NA coverage.
Now we’re at a level to compete in tier 4 all around the clock, albeit I still think we are a little weaker than YB and EB at this time of day, but we’re actually wvwing now instead of just trying to not lose things all day

I have always maintained that in higher level fractals, damage avoidance is far more useful than damage mitigation.

For this reason I always use glass cannon gear and use defensive utilities and skills. We have so many ways to just flat out not take damage from attacks it seems like a waste to build up defensive stats; especially when anything you fight is going to one-hit you regardless. We also have fantastic DPS while wearing gc gear that just doesn’t translate as well without it.

Thrashbarg.9820:

(except thieves, there is no counter to culling….).

The only time I lose to thieves is when they have a partner to distract me while they hit me with their burst.

Otherwise, culling is simple to counter, just get used to using Tab to target instead of clicking. Just because they haven’t shown up on your screen doesn’t mean your client doesn’t know they’re there

I’m honestly on the “you can wear glass cannon gear if you’re good enough” side of the coin.

I have tried other gear as a mesmer,
Over and over again.
I’ll go in PVP and try other builds, other playstyles.
But it always boils down to me feeling really weak, and going back to glass cannon gear and performing way better with the extra damage.

Dungeons certainly require more focus to pull off a glass cannon set without dying, but are still very doable.

Personally, I’ve always found it just easier to avoid damage than to mitigate it with Toughness or Vitality. Blink, Distortion, stuns, Blurred Frenzy, they will save your HP and your life more than stats will.

EDIT: Oh, Runes. I’ve been running with 6 Superior Rune of the Scholars with some amount of success. Thinking about making the switch over to Superior Rune of Air for wvw though.

EDIT 2: even if you’re a phantasm build, you should start making use of shatters. I didn’t shatter much when I was newer to a Mesmer build but I noticed a significant increase in my effectiveness when I started utilizing shatters more

EDIT 3: My traits are 10/30/0/0/30, but I’m more shatter focused than Phantasm.

Mjk.7562:

All 100% behind the change, obvious fix for obvious broken mechanic. Will be much less whining about mesmers in other threads of other classes now

If you think that anything short of Anet turning Mesmers into the worst pvp profession in the game will stop other classes from complaining, you are in a dream world.

Mjk.7562:

Just read the patch logs and quickly ran here to read some whine threads which i expected. I see absolutly nothing wrong with fixing obvious exploits/broken mechanics.
I haven’t used them thus i am not affected and still i am king in WvW. All i can say, stop whining, adapt and move along or do not let the doors hit ya on your way out to shelve your mesmer…

We took a lesson from thieves.
If we complain and spam the forums, Anet will pay more attention to us.

If we stop whining, adapt and move along, we get more nerfs because thieves still can’t beat us. (We’ve gotten one noticeable buff since launch and it was mostly reverted… because people complained and spammed the forums)

I was a Mesmer in GW1,
As far as grouping in PvE went, I never really needed to do so with how effectively one could steamroll the entire content of the game with just a Panic mesmer and Heroes

Anet said very early on is development that they didn’t design class balances for 1v1, so of course they won’t be balanced for it. It’s designed for groups.

that’s why they didn’t give us a dueling feature at launch

Rezzet.3614:

so far mesmer battles are a spam of stacking 7 stacks of confusion and spamming shattering clones wich is really messing WvW as mesmer simply stealths runs into group confuses everyone drops clones and Aoe spam and safely teleports/stealths away then runs back confuses rinse and repeat. mesmers and eles seem to be reaching a whole new scale on power levels lately.

That is actually one of my favourite tactics. And while I don’t claim at all to have invented it, I did develop it without knowing about it.

Pop Mass Invisibility and go run right up into someone’s face, then spam them with cof and mw and get the kitten out of there.

Observe from a distance as 3-5 people end up Downed

Something needed to be done about phantasms and LOS.
It really sucked, but phantasms were far more useful than ground targeted AOE skills that get through walls.

Because it was a targetted attack, I would just call my target and would be able to hit them ANYWHERE in their tower, I didn’t even need to know where they were, I would just walk around the outside walls until I saw that I was in range.
I would routinely down/defeat people while they were standing right in the center of their tower’s ground, all you’d have to do is call the target and they have nowhere to run to where you couldn’t deal 6,000+ damage to them every handful of seconds.

Heru.5427:

EnRohbi.2187:

I thought the general consensus was that just about everything they do with wvw shows they have little understanding of what their playerbase wants

Trying to be a nice guy here… :/

I usually am, and I like Anet a lot as a developer (most times),
But they have a lot of things wrong with this game.

This is completely understandable, it’s new.
But they need to focus more on wvw (I don’t have a lot of faith that the february patch is going to be as game changing as Anet likes to say it will be), so I want to see them pushed in the right direction.

Anzu.5702:

First time facing DB and i do see some good tactics and some really good golem portal chains. But tbh in the oceanic prime i just played all i saw was zergbrand. Even when you think your having a nice duel or awesome small group battle over a camp, next thing you know, boom zerg.

Serious thought, there really needs to be a balance between the points system and server pop. Zergs are just no fun.

I’m sure many people would prefer some mechanics be implemented to discourage zerging.

But it’s the unfortunate reality of wvw right now that zerging is one of the simplest ways to be effective. And from what I’ve seen of our asian crew (I only have the chance to be with their zergs during the mornings right after I wake up), they are much more coordinated than a simple pug zerg of randoms who entered wvw.

SneakyErvin.3056:

Currently my mesmer deals around 3k MW crits, 8-9k crits for iWarlock and iZerker with a 30/30/0/0/10 spec.

What I see from this is that you are unaffected by the renerf to Shattered Strength because you are not even using it. And the GCD doesn’t affect you because you don’t have iPersona either.

It’s really easy to claim that people shouldn’t complain about a nerf when it does not affect yourself whatsoever.

Richard Nixon.6573:

MysticHLE.7160:

I’m glad to see that the GCD fix to shatters was temporary. It is quite vital to my game play with Illusionary Persona…

Anet has promised it is a temporary fix, so expect it to be nerfed further fixed in a few months. Or maybe a year.

Indeed, I don’t think this is the first temporary fix that has stuck around.
They’ll move onto more important issues since this is “Working” now

Heru.5427:

Pinko.2076:

Names should be visible across servers, and right click -> whisper right along side it. WvW survives on the back of grudges/communities, and disabling any form of identity or communication doesn’t help that.

I think anet has this weird idea that making everyone anonymous means no one can hate each other, but that’s the opposite of how interaction works. When you can talk to someone, see their character name, and get used to seeing them, it humanizes them and ultimately makes things less hostile than fighting nameless hordes.

I think the devs have this weird preconception that the people doing WvW are like infants that need to be shielded from every harm possible. They therefore do whatever they can to prevent any harm from befalling their poor babies. I’m surprised they even allow guild tags and unique looks in WvW.

Like you said WvW, at least for the dedicated guilds, becomes much more interesting when it involves the social interaction between these guilds. Being able to taunt your foes after their defeats, acknowledging them for a good fight, or blaming their victory on their vastly superior numbers, is an important aspect for WvW. It helps build the competitive nature that makes people come back for more. The fact that Anet is not encouraging this more openly is a shame and shows a lack of understanding of a decent part of their games more devoted population.

I thought the general consensus was that just about everything they do with wvw shows they have little understanding of what their playerbase wants

The Asian crew does have the Golem Rush thing down pretty solid at this point.
I’ve gone with them on a few of them, they’re pretty good at chain portalling

Bunzy.8674:

Tynan.6279:

Bunzy.8674:

patricide.1062:

Wait wait wait… Yak’s is a nightcapping server? I’ve been blissfully unaware of this. Where’s the evidence that we nightcapped EBay/Mag with abandon in tier 4? Please provide it or be gone with the trash talking, really. Very few are the times I have awoken to a fully colored Yak map; in fact, every time we colored EBG green it was during the prime time of all three servers. I should know, I’ve been commanding it.

wait wait wait all this time you were winning you thought is was during NA pressence..? The reason maguuma beat both yaks and DB was because yaks nightforce wasn’t able to do what they normally do and cap everything.

Bunzy my little girl, why are you even here? From the looks of the score in tier 5 you only got a 4K lead over BP? which is giving you a -56 total point loss??? hahahaha

You seem to think Maguuma has the population of Yaks Bend or Ehmry bay. I would honestly say BP has more then us. We are just slightly ahead of DR in terms of population.

The thing about BP is they have a very large wvw population,
But their wvw poulation has a lot of pre-80s and bad PVPers on it.
Don’t get me wrong, there are great players too, but when it comes to zerg v zerg, I’ve never seen a server easier to wipe than BP. It started to get exciting to see a BP zerg approaching because I’d be like “Oh hey, badges”

Jinks.2057:

Still funny that the DB ppl are arguing with their “new” NA presence.

It doesn’t matter if you fellas argue…your off prime time presence will carry you. No skill required from the NA DB folks. No coordination nothing. Just go out die over and over again. Zerg hard and be rewarded when ya wake up in the morning for being horrible.

Its a lovely arrangement IMHO and y’all should honestly have the highest roaming/solo population since your oceanic slot is golden……..

I like how every server that loses against us discounts our entire NA team because we have a strong oceanic presence.

Do you guys pay that little respect to whatever Oceanic crew you have on your server? Because your Oceanic crew doesn’t have to do any work or have any skill, your day crew will carry them

Metahari.1286:

Bezerker seems to be taking a very long time to actually attack, 2-3 seconds. Is that supposed to be happening?

I have not REALLY noticed any increase on the delay before attacking,
But I have noticed berserker getting killed before it attacks a lot more frequently since this patch came out, but it must just be dumb luck, the delay doesn’t seem longer

Hello again, tier 4 C:
I missed you!

No blowouts this week ;D

Galrukh.6532:

My god what an overreaction. All they did was fixing a bug and changing an obviously overpowered trait.
I can not fathom how someone can whine over this, I just dont get it.

That overpowered trait is one of very, very few buffs the class has gotten since launch, and the /only/ buff that actually made a difference.

It’s very insulting for them to finally give us a break amongst all the nerfs to everything we do, only to then take it away a few weeks later, and then hurt us even more with a gcd.

We are not complaining because we think the profession is broken so much as because we’re kitten off about the dev’s attitude towards mesmers, and we’re sick of getting worse every patch.

KirinDave.6451:

SteepledHat.1345:

Mesmer phantasam summons are blocked by blind/dodge/etc because they’re normal attacks. That’s why my duelist’s unload attack can trigger a flame sigil…. oh wait.

No one’s summons attacks trigger sigils, though, right? Not even Elementalist’s summons do. Seems like a specious argument.

And ask yourself, do you really want to make Thieves Guild any stronger?

It’s not that we think phantasms should be able to proc sigils on crits,
But the fact that the dev’s allow them to be blocked at the summoning phase like tehy’re attacks, but they don’t benefit from being classified like attacks (Crit sigils, for example).

Phantasms right now hover in some weird purgatory between Attacks and Summons, they have all the negatives of both and none of the positives

GrandmaFunk.3052:

I have a question for the ppl in uproar over the shatter gcd. It seems like a total non-issue to me so I must be missing something.. AFAIK shatters work like this:

I have 3 illusion out.
I press F1, the gcd starts, my illusions run to target and shatter.
I use a skill to create another illusion.
I press F3 to shatter that one.

So with the new cooldown, I have to wait .25 seconds between f1 and f3… but I do have to take an action that creates an illusion in the meantime, right? don’t those take a certain amount of time?

say it’s something really quick, like the clone-on-dodge, doesn’t that still take at the least .2 seconds? .. so is all this complaining over gcd really over something as narrow as having to wait an extra .05 seconds?

As far as the gcd goes, the only thing it really affects (for the exact reason you stated) is Illusionary Persona. As with it, you can use shatters without any illusions out to create the shatter effect on yourself. IE: You’re about to get hit, slap f4 and get 1 second of distortion right before the attack connects. It’s saved my life more times than I can count.

What happens then is, when you take this trait, you end up being much closer to the enemy than you would otherwise. You can get 4xMind Wrack or 4xCry of Frustration if you’re close. Because of this, many mesmers have taken to closing the gap between their enemy, using MW/CoF and then immediately popping Diversion or Distortion to give them that second to get back out of melee range.

.25 seconds is a lot of time to wait, and when you’re right in your enemy’s face in wvw/pvp, can cost you your life if they have any sort of decent reflexes.

Arheundel.6451:

ilJumperMT.4871:

JonPeters.5630:

OneManArmy.5617:

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Jumper is pro, you can’t argue with him. l2keybind.

On topic, kitten – won’t be able to forcebug the 14k mind wracks and blame the game while people scream for exploit. 1/4 of a second is really nothing, minor change that will affect only the bug.

Funny thing, Anet didn’t fix the bug, they just made it impossible to execute. Always better to add something new instead of fixing the old kitten.

I think it’s a temporary bandaid until they can actually figure out what the problem is.
It seems they can’t identify what is causing it,so they added a preventing measure.
Better than doing nothing imo.

We have a winner! This was an especially bad problem so we did what we had to do given the resources we had to solve this while the studio was closed for the new year/holidays.

Jon

Can you kindly confirm that the .25 second GCD is temporary and will be removed when you fix the exploit?

Lol, without the 1s gcd , eles would be able to combo in a correct manner, you complain for a miserable 1/4 s delay on your main mechanic…..hey WHY ELES MUST BE ONLY ONES TO HAVE A GCD OF 1S ON THEIR MAIN MECHANIC?

Switching attunements is like switching your weaponset (Which has a much higher cd than 1 second, mind you), shattering an illusion is like using an attack.

Having a gcd on shatter skills is like having a gcd on your weapon skills.
How would you feel about that one?

Laika.8795:

EnRohbi.2187:

But what they’ve actually gone and done is make the shatter build much less viable, as it is now much more dangerous for us to be anywhere near our enemy. That .25 seconds is all it takes for a thief to stun and burst us to kitten.

God forbid! I feel for you, I really do…

Yeah, yeah,
I know the normal mage philosophy is “Stay at range or you’re kittening up”,
But iPersona forces you into melee range to get any use out of what is one of the better traits we have (And a trait we spend 30 trait points to get, so I like to get use out of it)

kenshinakh.3672:

The .25 GCD on shattering sounds more like a bug fix to prevent unintended usage of the mesmer illusions.

I asked my mesmer friend what it was because I never knew this bug, and he told me it makes sense to fix it. Why? Well, remember that the f1-f4 abilities do damage/whatever amount it says based on the number of clones? So using f1 SHOULD consume your CURRENT clones. However, with the bug, you could use f1-f4 or use them in a combo, effectively getting the effects of all your clones on different abilities. That’s totally not how mesmer was meant to be played… F1 should just be used for your current clones, and f2-f4 shouldn’t benefit for those clones your f1 is using. That’s my 2 cents.

I don’t think many people would disagree with you about that.
I certainly don’t.

The issue we are having is not that we can’t exploit shatters anymore,
But that they didn’t actually FIX the broken mechanic, they just made it so it’s harder to trigger the broken mechanic, and in turn made it a lot harder to do a lot of common skill rotations that mesmers do (Generate clones, roll towards your enemy, pop mind wrack/cof then immediately use daze/distortion with iPersona with no illusions to give yourself a second to get out of melee range). If they had actually gone in and fixed the algorithms that controlled shattering, it would be different.

But what they’ve actually gone and done is make the shatter build much less viable, as it is now much more dangerous for us to be anywhere near our enemy. That .25 seconds is all it takes for a thief to stun and burst us to kitten.
And considering they’ve made non-shatter builds less viable in previous patches, they’re quickly leaving mesmer with nothing to do but be a portal kitten for people.

Advent.6193:

Frankly – I’m not giving up on Mesmer.
I simply want our favourite class’ numerous bugs finally fixed.
That is all.

it has been just demonstrated that they’re not going to fix mesmer bugs though,
They’re going to slap bandaids over it that make the profession worse and just make it harder to trigger the bugs in the first place

Blackmoon.6837:

Crusx.9164:

“and giving might to allies…”

/facepalm I really need to learn to read.

Well, still on topic here. What is the most effective way for mesmers to accumulate the most might stacks and keep them long enough for superior dps?

Even with the nerf, Shattered Strength always provided half decent Might stacks for a shatter heavy build.

Yeah, I find the best situation/only reliable situation to get Might from Mirror Blade is in 1v1. Unless you happen to really good at predicting where the blade bounces to and position yourself accordingly.

While this was completely “expected”, it would have been very nice if they’d gone about it differently.
The buff to shattered strength helped a lot, and it would have been NICE if the Anet devs decided to like… compromise and drop it to 2 stacks of Might per illusion.

And that doesn’t even touch on the fact that instead of actually fixing the bug with multiple shatters, they just slapped a big ugly bandaid solution over it that only hurts people who weren’t abusing the bug to begin with.

I’ve tried so hard not to come kitten on the forums about patches in the past and just dealt with it, but this is kittening stupid

Kuniva.4573:

Mesmer

Shatter skills now share a global 0.25 second recharge, to prevent multiple shatter effects triggering on the same illusion.

Shattered Strength: This trait now grants 1 stack of might per illusion shattered.

Did the update hurt this build?

Shouldn’t have ruined it, I think the build was around before shattered strength got buffed anyway.

But it will “hurt” the damage.

“Go to sPvP” really is the best advice though.

If you’re really having a duel and refuse to do it outside wvw, go hang out in a far corner of a borderland map where other people are simply not likely to walk by.

If you’re like, outside a tower or on a road, someone who walks by is going to jump in and think they’re helping. You cannot blame someone for doing what they’re supposed to do given the game mechanics.

tas.6310:

I’m very curious to see how this next matchup goes. I’m prepared to have a blast! I don’t think we’ll place first, but I know we’ll make it SOMEWHERE on that scoreboard. I hear Mag has a huge presence 24/7 and I read that the other server has a strong presence as well. This next week I feel will be a test on our overnight crew.

Maguuma was the first time in many weeks I woke up in the morning to see Dragonbrand not in the lead for potential points.

Yeah, they’ve got good coverage

DtC.4806:

Camo.7498:

RockonHarder.7235:

Rinzler.8072:

I think the problem with BP is they are a server with a high number of transfers and fair weather players. If they get blown out on friday, their morale is destroyed for the rest of the week.
You guys gonna finally admit population is the biggest factor? Because i thought you were destroying all the lower tiers simply on tactics alone?

Hopefully you guys have now been humbled.

I would normally not like this type of comment.

but at the same time BP did come in and say they were only gonna be here for the 1 round and actually did post a seperate thread calling out yaks and said they were coming for them. so at this point in time i do feel it’s appropriate.

of course the comment was made by an AR player who clearly can’t mind his own business…..

whatever….lol

I check different WvWvW post all the time. I just like to know what’s going on. Since it is a competitive atmosphere, I would say its his business who is winning or losing etc.

On another note, BP, last time we played you lost because you were hot headed. When you come calling out yaks and completely disrespect DB, don’t expect us to give up because you got a good start. I love my server and how it’s never really over for us. Our guys show great commitment under terrible circumstances and we bounced back.

Also, for every one downing DB for getting all the new guilds. We have wanted a NA crew, yes, but we never asked YOUR guilds to transfer; however, we do welcome them. We completely understand your loss and what your going through but please don’t hate us as a server for it. I have personally come to love match ups with DH. They are a great server and its always a clean match up (no fear of exploits, hacking, etc.). DB looks forward to out future matchups when you return to glory!

the problem u guys are making is that this was 1 person who was kitteny and over confident, the rest of us however we were expecting a tough match and we werent expecting to win the 1st match we had, just because 1 person flames publically, that doesnt mean the server does, especially considering that person wasnt even a commander.

It may have been only one person, but he set the first impression that a lot of us got of Borlis Pass, and he gave a kittenty first impression.

I know not everyone on BP is an kitten/arrogant/whatever, likely far from it.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Richard Nixon.6573:

nytehex.3267:

Also, wouldn’t you be peeved and vindictive if a guild that some people openly vouched for in order to be part of the PACT we have turns tail and runs to the next highest server, which just so happens to be winning? If you were in our shoes, you’d probably feel the same way that we do on BP, and I don’t want to imagine how DH feels since they have lost 2-3 huge guilds, at least 1 to DB as well.

Oh trust me, DB knows how you feel. We had our entire NA coverage gutted a few months ago when the majority of our “alliance” transferred to SoS. Even worse, we had to play them in the next matchup. It took 2 months of getting stomped to recover and get back to where we are now.

We might be on the other side of it this time, but trust me when I say that DB remembers.

Can anyone truly trust Richard Nixon though? =P

Of course, he was an honourable and hardworking man.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Camo.7498:

Warlord Lu Bu.7905:

There’s always been less than 10 of us in the EB Jump Puzzle. Maybe a few stragglers from other guilds, but still usually 10 people at max.

We fight like over 25 though, so thanks for the hidden compliment.

Camping on ledge outside th dark room with members to port you up when you get yanked down. 3 guys could take a zerg with the balistas you have up there. No compliment. You were beaten by 5 guys last night xD.

To expand: You were beaten by 5 guys last night when you had two siege golems and an arrow cart in the dark room. We had to have killed at least 15 of you in the dark room to find another 10-15 in the domed arena.

Not that I can say I’m surprised. I think all of you who camp the JP build glass cannon (lacking the cannon). A few days ago I ran into five [cola] right before the dark room. I knew it was a trap even though both sides waved to each other (for one, I just watched you kill one of my allies). I’m sorry, but when the opening 3-skill combo of a necro reduces all of you to 2/3-1/2 health without taking any damage in return, well…

Yeah, no, it’s okay.
Other day me and one partner mowed through just as many BP camping the JP after the torch room.

They are not the most threatening campers

To be fair,
Just last night me and two partners mowed through like 10-15 BP camping the jumping puzzle.

Just get a couple friends, you’ll get through.

CHAO.7956:

Honestly, we (BP) and DH got destroyed by DB. That being said having been destroyed by Emery Bay last week I have been thoroughly impressed with the way DB conducts itself. On a side note to my fellow BP members, does anyone else besides me think that Wintersday could be considerably interfering with WvW turnout? Just wondering if anyone besides me has thought of that and what your thoughts on it are.

I’unno what it was like in tier 5 last week (I know Ehmry Bay stomped, I was following your scores, but I didn’t follow your playerbase/attitude/morale), but in tier 4 we were pretty much in agreement that Wintersday/The holidays in general were kittening with wvw turnout quite a bit for everybody.

Actium.8765:

Also, DH and BP definatly WAS teaming up against DB today in EBG. I know cause I was talking to there commander the hole time. Cheap I know, but Db handled it. you guys have place fully locked down. so many trebs and stuff everywhere. lol

Don’t worry, we know. I don’t think it bothers us anymore.

Anyway, with any luck after this week we won’t face each other again for a while and we can have some time for all the bad blood to settle before we see BP or DH again. I think these matchups bring out the worst in our servers c:

Gorefiend.9675:

I realize you must be happy with the new transfers DB. Be warned though that those are not the type of guilds you want populating your server. You will either become the new SoS or end up in a free fall through the tiers because of abandonment. The latter is much more. Likely.

Don’t make the mistake of forgetting that DB has already free fallen through tiers due to abandonment.
We’re very familiar with it, many of us are unhappy to see it happening to DH (And I guess, to some extent BP too?)

We can’t bar guilds from transferring in, and we’ve made no secret about the fact we need to beef up our NA primetime presence. If this accomplishes that and we get to go be competitive in tier 4 or maybe move up to tier 3 someday then, fantastic.

Unfortunately, it’s a very real possibility for any server that they’re going to suddenly lose a lot of guilds, regardless of where those guilds came from. The best thing we can do is enjoy it on the way up and keep the server morale high for as long as possible and maybe any new guilds will like it enough to stay.

Kylar.5127:

Too be honest, Ive, never really played a Mesmer but i have many friends that do play a mesmer. The thing with mesmer is that, they are one of the only classes,if not only, that can really survive and excel with a pure glass cannon build. Because of their superb defensive abilities even when they are glass cannon, makes them very difficult to kill and very easy for you to be burst down. If you are not very experienced as a bunker, a good GC mesmer will get you every time.

As a pure glass gannon Mesmer myself,
I can tell you I very rarely get defeated, I can go hours in zerg combat without being defeated. (This is not to say I don’t have worse days where I take on way more than I can handle without paying attention and die a lot.)

I can always tell when I’m fighting someone who knows what they’re doing and when I’m fighting with noobs,
Bunker builds tend to give me the most trouble, I can usually outlast bunker guardians unless they happen to be extremely skilled.
D/D eles can go either way, even when I win I hate fighting them.