Guild Wars 2

ElDudemeister.5108:

EnRohbi.2187:

Zergs don’t stick around towers for more than 30 seconds after capture very often.

Zergs tend to stick around about as long as their commanders do.

I’m not sure if this is a quip at me or just a statement, I’ll assume the latter.

Zergs are not mindless.
Every character in a zerg is a fully independent human being with a brain that can go “Maybe I should stick around and check out hiding spots in this tower while the rest of the zerg moves on”

It’s a waste of time for everyone to mesmer sweep one tower for 5 minutes, but any one of the people in the zerg could opt to stay behind and verify the tower is safe themselves.

I know I stay behind and mesmer sweep all the time when I have my Commander tag off.

Saying the Commander leaves too soon is a huge copout.

Thunderbrew.7034:

It amazes me that people are spending time on issues like
this when THE issue isnt fixed yet: Mesmer bombing taking advantage of culling
issues and you die to an enemy you never saw.

How in christ is that THE issue?

Portal bombs are one of the easiest tactics to counter.
I’ve seen far more of them fail than I have seen succeed.

If you’re losing to a portal bomb, you would have likely been beaten in head on battle too.

I would actually recommend retaining a very similar system to calculate ratings that are used now, but only make it account for the last 2-3 matches. Instead of the server’s entire history.

Pendragon.8735:

Skapocalypse.5236:

What your facing at 12AM-4/5 AM Eastern are those that haven’t gone to sleep yet from the NA time zone. Same as you guys.

Is NNK NA? Looks like different names than we see in primetime. So doesn’t seem like NA, unless your NA team doesn’t start playing the game in earnest till like 11 PM NA. We rarely get pushed by DB prior to that.

But seems like a lot of these groups are not used to being hit back at all, other than maybe by a token force that its easy for them to overwhelm. Having 50 man groups routed by maybe half of that when they do actually meet organized resistance.

Shouldn’t be surprising really if that is all one is used to facing. It takes consistent competition to force you to improve tactically. But its definitely up there beyond this tier. We have played IoJ, CD, TC, these teams that are used to having to battle intensely off peak, and they are very good at it.

Nah, NNK are some of our Asians.
But I tend to see a few NNK during NA daytime/afternoon still, and a steadily increasing number of them until their primetime.
You’re probably seeing groups of them come online before the fullest of our Asian force gets home from work/school/whatevertheydoduringtheday

ADDED: I really hope by now though, at least since this is the second week of this matchup, that we’ve proven that our NA crew belongs in tier 4. I think we’re past the days where we should be getting ragged on as being carried by our Asian crew. They certainly make a difference and they are also definitely the reason that we /win/ so solidly, be if they all left right now we would still be competitive where we are.

Skapocalypse.5236:

patricide.1062:

Keep laughing it up. Soon enough we will get the oceanic presence we need and we will climb back up.

From where? Let’s be perfectly honest here. Oceanic guilds don’t transfer often if at all due to language barrier and them not wanting to play by themselves in their respective timezones. We watch countless recruitment threads on these forums asking for Oceanic guilds to join heavy NA servers but only rarely do you see these actually work. The best way to get an Oceanic presence is to just join a server with a strong one already. Until then your going wake up to flipped keeps and dominated maps.

Don’t discourage them,
Every server should have some amount of Oceanic coverage and they should try to achieve it too.

DB is not entirely unique amongst GW2 servers,
We’re in a good place right now but we’re following the same sort of pattern that every other server does.

I also don’t want to see DB’s reputation become like what BP’s was. Arrogant, rude and full of themselves.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Evalana.5480:

ethinan

Nice job of DB exploiting into this tower. We may have been able to hold it until reinforcements but we got ganked inside….

You sure it wasn’t a mesmer?

They never suspect that dastardly mesmer with pro hiding skills!

People don’t sweep towers very well either.
The closest thing to tower “sweeps” I ever see is the PVEers in the zerg running up to the vistas in some of them.

Plus, all a mesmer really has to do is lay down an entrance portal inside the tower and then go wait outside until the zerg moves on, portal back up and Tada, they’re inside. Zergs don’t stick around towers for more than 30 seconds after capture very often.

Don’t even need to be inside during the sweep.

Serophous.9085:

I’m just gonna do this now so it doesnt need to be said later in the thread. So waaaay ahead of all of you

Dragonbrand:
“OMG yaks and ebay have an alliance”
“Yaks are a bunch of hackers”
“Ebay is a bunch of hackers”

Ebay:
“OMG Dragonbrand and yaks have an alliance”
“Yaks are a bunch of hackers”
“Dragonbrand is a bunch of hackers”

Yaks:
“OMG Dragonbrand and Ebay have an alliance”
“Ebay is a bunch of hackers”
“Dragonbrand is a bunch of hackers”

carry on

There really wasn’t that much complaining about exploits going in last week’s thread, so I’m not too concerned about that.

And I think by now, everyone’s realized that server’s just take the most opportunistic attack opportunity; and in a lot of cases that best opportunity is to attack who your enemy is attacking, or attack whoever’s in the most substantial lead.

DB Gets double teamed a lot for the first portion of the day just because we hold just about everything, Ebay or YB would be foolish to attack each other in any concentration then. :P

Anyway,
Hopefully gonna be a good week of wvw,
I didn’t get in as much this past week as I would have liked due to moving, but I’m hoping to get some kitten done this week.
Get my Commanderin’ on

Saweth You Him.9047:

I am highly opposed to payed transfers. There is so much cheating in the tier I am in right now that if I want out of it I don’t want to pay money to move. The game advertised free transfers when I bought it. That is what I expect. Otherwise I want a refund.

Might want to get a refund then,
They’ve been saying forever that free transfers were only temporary.

Krakah.3582:

MikeFerguson.8921:

However, even with all the issues glicko presents, we have seen that while it takes a few weeks for the system to adjust to the population shifts, it DOES adjust, and eventually those worlds end up playing in competitive games again once they reach a tier that suits their current population.

The problem is that it takes weeks, and psychologically is quite punishing to the poor sods being farmed.

Indeed.
While I don’t really mind the concept of guilds transferring servers, when many guilds do it at once it’s very harmful.

It benefits one server,
And harms the server that lost guilds for weeks, as they freefall tiers rarely getting more than +100 during their primetime.
And in the instance of guilds transfering to lower tiered servers (Like kaineng), is devastating to every server they face until they climb to the tier they belong in.

Every time these guild transfers happen it causes harm to far more people than it benefits.

I don’t mind the Glicko system much,
But I think the Dev’s should pay attention and maybe artificially adjust some server rankings when these things happen. The integrity of the glicko system is far less important than Anet’s playerbase having a good time when they go into wvw.

Camo.7498:

DUEL’s Cristin is always doing a good job.

I would be offended at being left out but I spend the very vast majority of my time Commandering by organizing defense in DB BL, and I honestly think I might spend more time in wvw with my tag off than I do otherwise ;D

I’m a commander of necessity, I show up and put my tag on when the map needs it. ;D

Also yeah, Cristin’s pretty ontop of things all the time.

Nekroseth.5186:

Something like : Passive song aura, giving periodic random buff on nearby allyes.
Or a Harp phantasm confusing foes, or buffing allyes.
Stm like that.

Mesmers have a few ways to give random boons to themselves/allies, and can spread every boon on themselves with Signet of Inspiration (I think that’s the one).

And the torch phantasm confuses foes and grants retaliation to allies, which is, you know, exactly what you want Harp Phantasms to do.

I don’t want to sound rude,
But have you even played this class?

Xirin.8593:

EnRohbi.2187:

They’re harmless on the ground

Until they get rallied

Maybe it’s just because I’m a DPS spec, but I don’t see them rally that often. :P

Yeah, there’s a possibility they’ll rally if you try to damage them down instead of stomping them, but this thread only exists because people are rallying during Stomps too :P

This is one of the reasons I usually don’t try to stomp people.

Damage them.
Hit them with attacks that bounce or AOEs
It will also damage the person ressing them.

They’re harmless on the ground, so just try to do as much damage to them and the people ressing them until they give up or go Down themselves.

EsLafiel.4517:

Moddo.7105:

Mjk.7562:

Just read the patch logs and quickly ran here to read some whine threads which i expected. I see absolutly nothing wrong with fixing obvious exploits/broken mechanics.
I haven’t used them thus i am not affected and still i am king in WvW. All i can say, stop whining, adapt and move along or do not let the doors hit ya on your way out to shelve your mesmer…

Again some yohoo commenting with out even reading whole post. The OP was not whining about they nerf it was way Anet typically handles everything not related to thief or Warrior. Nerf with as little as possible work on their part to hell with customer. And FYI OP was talking about PvE why in hell would you whip out your kitten apout WvW as incase you are not aware PvE and WvW are kinda not same thing.

Guessing you don’t even try to read ArenaNet news. They said this was not perma, this was a temp fix to it. It was over the holidays and most of them was not even working. More then likely when the big patch for this month comes out, they will change it.

I’ve read that post, but it doesn’t instil a lot of hope.
They could take 6 months to actually code in a real fix and they’d still call it “temporary”.

Kovu.7560:

EnRohbi.2187:

Kovu.7560:

Man, and I thought BP was bad for camping puzzles. There’s a big group of Yaks dedicated to camping the EB JP daily. I’ll be happy when we move out of this tier, hopefully in the right direction.

~ Kovu

Get a guild together,
Break through their camping,
And camp it back.

My guild was needed elsewhere, like defending SM. Hoping for a quick in-and-out. Never got it. =(

~ Kovu

When we were fighting BP I’d just grab two or three friends and we’d go steamroll through the JP and then kitten with BP everytime they came back.

When you’re just in the mood to kitten with people and don’t particularly care for capping points, the JP is a good way to accomplish that.

As a glass cannon shatter mesmer,
I gotta say D/D Elementalists are my least favourite class to fight if the person is skilled. They’re devastating when played right.

But that’s it.
Least feared is Necro.
Definitely.
At absolute worst they take a few seconds more to kill.

Kovu.7560:

Man, and I thought BP was bad for camping puzzles. There’s a big group of Yaks dedicated to camping the EB JP daily. I’ll be happy when we move out of this tier, hopefully in the right direction.

~ Kovu

Get a guild together,
Break through their camping,
And camp it back.

Indeed.

While Mass Invisibility and Veil may be redundant in their effects and purpose, MI allows much more convenient stealth in group situations like wvw where you may not have a group coordinated enough to use veil properly.

I’ve taken a liking to MI over Time Warp in wvw lately, and don’t miss kitten all.

morrolan.9608:

Camo.7498:

There is no INTENTIONAL double team. DB focused on you because you were in 2nd. Now that your in 3rd we are TRYING to focus on suppressing EB.

Well you weren’t 9-12 hours ago. YB slipped to clear 3rd 48 or so hours ago. 9-12 hours ago we were still losing ground to ebay but the DB focus was still all on YB.

Not complaining, just asking the question, it seemed strange to me at that stage that you would focus on the server in last place rather than 2nd.

As a Commander on DB,
I can tell you that if there was any double teaming organized by anyone, nobody passed the memo on to me.
So it was isolated, at most.

Put your mind at ease, young one

You guys realize that telling him how dumb of an idea this thread was is the biggest derailment that’s happened so far… right?

SneakyErvin.3056:

It gives a +60% chance to bleed targets on crit. This means that if you have no traits that give you a %chance to bleed (like engi and necro traits) you will get nothing out of the sigil. You must be able to proc a bleed in the first place for this to work.

Now, I did suspect reading this thread that there might be some conflict or something with some of the mesmer traits that bleed on crits, but I have no idea where your logic is in that statement. Please explain.

SneakyErvin.3056:

EnRohbi.2187:

SneakyErvin.3056:

Currently my mesmer deals around 3k MW crits, 8-9k crits for iWarlock and iZerker with a 30/30/0/0/10 spec.

What I see from this is that you are unaffected by the renerf to Shattered Strength because you are not even using it. And the GCD doesn’t affect you because you don’t have iPersona either.

It’s really easy to claim that people shouldn’t complain about a nerf when it does not affect yourself whatsoever.

It also proves there are other builds that work just as well as exploited or overbuffed specs. This isnt anything new what Anet is doing. They are doing what every other company has done since the dawn of MMOs, they fix exploits. Its not their fault if you have started to rely on an exploited form of skill use.

I’m sure they will change the GCD into something else, that doesnt effect iPersona so you can buttonmash your way in the future.

It’s also 0.25 sec we are talking about, it shouldnt effect you unless you really mash your buttons like crazy.

I had actually not used the exploit knowningly.
I’m told it was easy to trigger, so I may have done so inadvertantly at times.

The GCD just doesn’t mesh very well with iPersona, which was a really powerful trait for a lot of offensive and defensive reasons. It still is, it’s just a little harder to apply it defensively now.

Shattered Strength was the bigger issue for me.
I know it’s still better than it was originally, it’s just showing a certain attitude from the Devs towards the Mesmers that most of us Mesmers really don’t like. And that attitude is that when we do get a seldom little buff to any trait, it will be taken away when the rest of the game world realizes and complains about it.

EDIT: As far as the “there are non-exploitive builds that work” comment, nobody likes it when the build they’re using is nerfed. In this case, it was the build I was using. When I log off at night I’d like to know that I log on the next morning still being as effective as I was when I went to bed.

100/100 for Commander En Rohbi!
Perfect Decisions and flawless executions at every turn.

The shining star of Dragonbrand right here.

No, I’ll be serious for a second here.
The DB Commanders that have been around for a while have been pretty solid.
The Commanders in EA, Duel, UhOh and (once upon a time) Epic get their kitten done right.
I probably missed a guild or two.

nalenb.1425:

EnRohbi.2187:

Standing there should definitely be considered in exploit in the exact same way that wall-jumping into a keep or tower is considered an exploit.
They both stem from the exact same thing, a designer oversight and inadequate QA testing.

Nobody even remotely in their right mind could say that anet intended you to be able to regain invulnerability by standing at the bottom of their spawn like that.
There’s a reason that every exit from a spawn point into an enemy camp drops off with a cliff like that, and it’s so you can’t keep retreating into your spawn as soon as you smell trouble.

When you make that jump to go take a camp, you should be committed to the attack. You don’t just get to go “Oh kitten, they have a defender. I guess I’ll just mosey on over here where I can’t take damage”.

But if I were to go wall-jump past the water gate in BL Garrisons, I would be reported and publicly shamed for the rest of my GW2 days.

How dare you disagree with a fellow server/guildmate ;-)

I guess I see different levels of abuse.
- changing the game code, I guess this is hacking
- taking advantage of bugs in the game
- taking advantage of design flaws in the game

I put this spot in the camp in the 3rd category, whereas hiding inside walls where you can’t be seen at all in the second category (along with the path to Hills inner they fixed or the garrison path around the gate).

I think everyone agrees #1 is bad. Most people agree #2 is bad. I guess with #3 I just don’t care. It’s just a camp and if they have enough people they are going to take it anyways. And only 2 out of the 3 exits from spawn have cliffs, the main exit allows you to run in and out at will.

I’m not sure what category I would put thieves in :-)

If you knew how dead easy it is to use some terrain to hop past some gates, you’d realize that it’s not even a bug and falls into your category 3 too :P

nalenb.1425:

EnRohbi.2187:

Standing there should definitely be considered in exploit in the exact same way that wall-jumping into a keep or tower is considered an exploit.
They both stem from the exact same thing, a designer oversight and inadequate QA testing.

Nobody even remotely in their right mind could say that anet intended you to be able to regain invulnerability by standing at the bottom of their spawn like that.
There’s a reason that every exit from a spawn point into an enemy camp drops off with a cliff like that, and it’s so you can’t keep retreating into your spawn as soon as you smell trouble.

When you make that jump to go take a camp, you should be committed to the attack. You don’t just get to go “Oh kitten, they have a defender. I guess I’ll just mosey on over here where I can’t take damage”.

But if I were to go wall-jump past the water gate in BL Garrisons, I would be reported and publicly shamed for the rest of my GW2 days.

How dare you disagree with a fellow server/guildmate ;-)

I guess I see different levels of abuse.
- changing the game code, I guess this is hacking
- taking advantage of bugs in the game
- taking advantage of design flaws in the game

I put this spot in the camp in the 3rd category, whereas hiding inside walls where you can’t be seen at all in the second category (along with the path to Hills inner they fixed or the garrison path around the gate).

I think everyone agrees #1 is bad. Most people agree #2 is bad. I guess with #3 I just don’t care. It’s just a camp and if they have enough people they are going to take it anyways. And only 2 out of the 3 exits from spawn have cliffs, the main exit allows you to run in and out at will.

I’m not sure what category I would put thieves in :-)

If you knew how dead easy it is to use some terrain to hop past some gates, you’d realize that it’s not even a bug and falls into your category 3 too :P

Grit.9061:

EnRohbi.2187:

YB, I like fighting you a lot, but you have way too many thieves that don’t do anything but run around and abuse culling.

Every time we’ve gone up against EB I’ve been impressed by their solo/group roamers. The average skill of an EB player is certainly one of the highest amongst NA servers.

But I have to agree that the thief groups are a bit ridiculous. They would still be great PvPers without abusing player culling… right now it’s just crazy.

I realize that En Rohbi is talking about YB, but EB seems to have even more thieves. ;p

I usually don’t mind facing thieves in wvw.
In fact, when I hear people complain about them in team chat I usually go try to find them and duel them, because they’re usually just noobs who are used to fighting people that get confused when they keep disappearing. And I can usually defeat them with a few well timed shatters

But then there are the other thieves.
The ones that are actually really good at playing their class, have good builds, but use/abuse stealth and culling to an extent completely off the walls of what would be normal use of the mechanic.

Yesterday, though, I noticed that more than half of the players I encountered from YB were thieves. Everywhere I saw “Yak’s Bend Invader” I saw them vanish in their little stealth-swirls.

nalenb.1425:

Standing there isn’t an exploit. It might be unfair that the invuln area extends under the cliff like that, but you can clearly see them, they have to move out from that spot in order to do anything and you can clearly see they have the invuln buff. It’s no worse than if they were grouped up at any other entrance and keep running back.

Oh hi Abbish.
I’m gonna make a big long post disagreeing with you, even though you’re in my guild and all C:

Standing there should definitely be considered in exploit in the exact same way that wall-jumping into a keep or tower is considered an exploit.
They both stem from the exact same thing, a designer oversight and inadequate QA testing.

Nobody even remotely in their right mind could say that anet intended you to be able to regain invulnerability by standing at the bottom of their spawn like that.
There’s a reason that every exit from a spawn point into an enemy camp drops off with a cliff like that, and it’s so you can’t keep retreating into your spawn as soon as you smell trouble.

When you make that jump to go take a camp, you should be committed to the attack. You don’t just get to go “Oh kitten, they have a defender. I guess I’ll just mosey on over here where I can’t take damage”.

But if I were to go wall-jump past the water gate in BL Garrisons, I would be reported and publicly shamed for the rest of my GW2 days.

YB, I like fighting you a lot, but you have way too many thieves that don’t do anything but run around and abuse culling.

covenn.7165:

If this game had no AE limits, the damage from it would have to take a massive nerf across the board. If they uncapped my AE, I could wipe a zerg by myself at a choke point.

I think that would be a good thing, if aoe would wipe an entire zerg.

Having aoe only hit 5 people in a game mode where one of the most common situations is fighting 20+ people in one place at once is the most ridiculous game mechanic I’ve ever heard. They are encouraging us to abuse their own mechanics by balling up with a lot of people in a small place.

I think the only people that are actually HAPPY with this metagame in wvw are the people who only care about pushing game mechanics to be as effective as possible.
Which I also think is a good thing, don’t get me wrong, people should strive to be effective in these games. But their loyalty to the metagame is only to the fact it IS the metagame, not to the actual tactics being used.

Indeed,
I have no problem (really) waiting for an expansion/new campaign to see Main Hand pistols added, as long as Main Hand Pistol IS one of the things added in that new expansion.

Anet’s history with GW1 is that they do quite an extensive job with expansions. Which I know GW2 is a different game being run differently, I still expect the expansions they release to have a lot of new additions. Very likely including new skills and new weapons.

Hell, if they really go back and repeat what they did in GW1 we’ll see new classes too. Though I’m personally satisfied with the 8 classes we’ve got already.

Dragonbrand is a really solid server for wvw right now (No bias)

We aren’t spiking in tiers from a whole slew of new transfers,
We just have a large dedicated wvw playerbase who has mostly been on dragonbrand from the begining,
We have been winning more matches than we have been losing lately.

Oh, our morale is great too. ;D

Zonzai.2341:

EnRohbi.2187:

Mjk.7562:

All 100% behind the change, obvious fix for obvious broken mechanic. Will be much less whining about mesmers in other threads of other classes now

If you think that anything short of Anet turning Mesmers into the worst pvp profession in the game will stop other classes from complaining, you are in a dream world.

Not true, I think they should be one of the best PvP professions, just like in GW1. However, mesmers are one of the best PvP professions and you don’t need an obviously broken mechanic to win.

I think they should be too.
But as long as they’re even somewhat competent, people are going to kitten about mesmers until the end of ArenaNet’s servers, and probably years afterwards while recounting GW2.

I think the consensus here has been that no one’s upset that the broken mechanic was “fixed” (We’ll say ‘fixed’ because the truth is a whole other post), we’re just upset that they fixed it the way they did and that they coupled that hindering fix with a nerf.

Now, I knew Shattered Strength was going to be nerfed, but I had hoped the devs would see to some sort of compromise and give us 2 stacks of Might.
I, at least, would have not posted a single time in complaint were that the case.

3 stacks of Might it was so easy to hit 25, I’m really good at shatter rotations so mine just shot the kitten up.

Mastruq.2463:

Nah I dont really care for dual pistols (which is why most want the MH pistol), too much of a cowboy feel. I’d rather see shield or 1-handed hammer for mesmer to have something “odd” if you know what I mean.

I don’t particularly want main hand pistol so I can dual wield them.
It may end up synergizing well but it’s really not my goal, in my opinion pistol off hand isn’t even that great. I’ve taken signet of domination for my stun, which was really the only thing I used pistol off-hand for, the phantasm takes too long to finish his first round of attacks for my taste.

The reason I’ve always pushed for main hand pistol and continue to do so is that I’d like more ranged main hand options.
As has been pointed out more times than any of us can count, the scepter is very lackluster and really only works if you build specifically to make it work; and even then other weapons are still better.
And the biggest pitfall of sword main hand is that the #1 attack is melee, which puts you directly where you shouldn’t really want to spend much time as a light armor class.

Pistol would give another ranged option for one-handed weapons, and a much needed one.

Related: I would honestly probably run pistol/focus, but I spend a very solid amount of my time in wvw so, you know… pulls.

Sals.9534:

This topic got me thinking can the enemy see /em messages?
I know you can see /dance but a lot of times I like to make up emotes.

If so you could use this as a way to get a message to the enemy.

Sorry to hijack your thread.

Someone told me once that they can see emote messages from you.
But I have emote messages filtered out of my chatboxes anyway, so I can’t confirm or deny.

Kardiamond.6952:

That argument has no weight at all. (Edit : the “can’t in real life” argument, not yours :P)

Like I said, I have no problem with Anet deciding what to use from real life. But if they want to use it as an argument, they have to be consistant.

Me : “Why can’t I fly?”
Anet : “Because you can’t fly in real life.”
Me : “But my character can already teleport! he can throw lightning! he can even respawn from death!”
Anet : “You can’t fly!”

Just an example, to show that “you can’t in real life” argument has no weight at all, since it’s not a simulation.

:)

I just don’t agree that they have to be consistent, I think they can take the comparison to whatever level they want in whichever areas of the game or mechanics that tehy want :P

No, it’s not a simulation, but it still draws on a lot of real life themes, objects, races, items, languages, cultures, physics-mechanics. Every game, no matter how fantasy based it is, has associations with the real world. The developer just has to decide how far to take it. In this case, they’ve taken the comparison as far as “You don’t know the names of your enemies in war”, but not all the way to “Your character can take flight and ignore gravity.”

Kardiamond.6952:

@EnRohbi
It’s ok to use this argument, but if you are, follow it 100%. You can’t use it just on some part of the game.

What’s stopping Anet from only using it on some parts of the game? :P
Only a sort of… governing body… that dictates the acceptable use of comparisons and associations would be able to do such a thing o;

Kardiamond.6952:

First we can’t take a real world war example, this isn’t real world.

These kind of statements always baffle me a little.
First, why can’t we take a real world war example? There is no governing body of comparisons dictating what you can and cannot compare with each other.
Second, what part of the internet exactly is not in the real world?

A fantasy game may not be required to be realistic, but it is the choice of the developers to decide what parts of reality they want to emulate (and how they want to do so) and what they want to create themselves.

Just a moment ago,
Every server had 8 camps, 8 towers, and 4 keeps respectively.

Stone Mist was the only thing breaking a tie.
That’s a pretty solid equilibrium.

Retrospek.4583:

The server is polling for a ton of things already, the name would make such a little bit of difference it would mean nothing in terms of latency.

It polls for race, class, armor type, armor color, body type (and all the customization that goes into making your character at character creation screen), guild name/tag, etc. etc.

Besides that, my guess is that most of the worlds aren’t true server, rather they are virtual machines running on a cluster of servers, probably sharing an external drive array that runs the SQL server. So basically, there isn’t much network traffic talking between servers, most of it would be done thru the eSATA or SCSI external drive array itself.

Indeed.
As I said, I was just fumbling for a reason that wasn’t “to prevent abuse”.

But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Anet had a suboptimal networking setup for servers, given some other areas of the game (like the engine; culling), regardless of whether they’re virtual or actual machines. They could have imposed limitations on themselves they didn’t have to.

But no, it’s probably not a efficiency related reason

Raven Paradox.1860:

In most matchups one server dominates all

Do you ever look at scores for other tiers?
Because MOST matchups are pretty balanced.

Tier 2 and Tier 7 are the only two tiers that have a real domination going on right now.
A bit in tier 1, but not terribly.

The only reason Tier 7 is that way is because of the transfers they received.

Blrrgh.6908:

Wow this comment….IoJ whupped up on BG guilds in T2 NA…………., FA , SoS, SoR, SBI, JQ….. all have superior NA teams to BG from an opponents perspective… instead of getting offended you guys really just need to improve your team in that block. Oh and learn some humility, please.

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I don’t think anyone here was honestly offended except, it looks like, you.

ykyk.2740:

Blackgate’s NA is nowhere near subpar. They have less numbers than their overpowering oceanic/euro counterparts, but they are tier-2 worthy (that is, more than a match for any tier 3 and below server and usually able to hold their own in tier 2 against very NA-heavy servers). No server can make tier 2 (or even 3) with “subpar” NA coverage.

On the other hand, TC and SoR are tier 2 servers that don’t have strong oceanic coverage. Oceanic is in fact easily the weakest timeslot for those servers.

It honestly wasn’t an insult :P
Subpar may not have been the best word choice, as I don’t consider DB’s NA primetime presence to be “subpar” either.

I simply meant that throughout the course of 24 hours, both of our servers seem to perform best at night.

I’ve heard Crystal Desert has a solid night presence, they’re tier 3.

And Blackgate, from what I hear, is balanced pretty much like us (Strong oceanic/asian timezones, subpar-but-not-nonexistent NA primetime), though they’re tier 2 (Moving to tier 1, so it seems).

I’m not sure how you consider this a lazy build <_<
In order to do proper burst damage, you will be pressing many buttons really fast.

Mesmers don’t have a lot of REALLY hard hitting attacks, but we can set things up so many of our attacks hit at virtually the same time

Ophidimancer.2074:

Feedback doesn’t need a target? Are you sure? Because I know I can’t cast it without a target.

No, it definitely lets you cast it without a target, it’ll just appear a little ways directly infront of where you’re facing.

morrolan.9608:

EnRohbi.2187:

Sorry, but you don’t get to just pretend that 16 hours of the day doesn’t exist in wvw.
It’s 24/7, nothing else.

You’re mistaking my comment for a complaint, its not, merely an observation and you will note that I am actually on YB. The server populations and demographics are what they are.

People complain a lot about our Asian coverage, as I’m sure you’ve noticed, so I’m sure you can understand why I would perceive it as such

morrolan.9608:

EnRohbi.2187:

We’re talking about the NA coverage only. YB has excellent oceanic coverage which is why DB nullifies us.

Sorry, but you don’t get to just pretend that 16 hours of the day doesn’t exist in wvw.
It’s 24/7, nothing else.

Zatria.5783:

EnRohbi.2187:

Tynan.6279:

EnRohbi.2187:

Valtrex.2895:

EnRohbi.2187:

Gorefiend.9675:

Furey.6734:

I disagree. I think DB NA prime is Tier 4. Maybe not the top of tier 4 but we are there. Without complaining, our NA crew is being focused by both of the other servers else we would be shooting up the tier alot faster. This is fine and I encourage it since I think DB should stay in tier 4 a while before moving up allowing our NA prime player base to build up and get stronger. Either way, we are here to stay in the tier this time.

DB NA team is nowhere near t4 quality. At best I would put it at mid t5.

Maybe your night crew is no where near t4 quality.
What about that?

I don’t know what scores you’ve been looking at,
But we’ve been holding our lead pretty long into the day and when we do lose it, we do not get very far behind.

You can make yourself feel better all you want by crying about our Asian population,
But at the end of the day it’s only an excuse for why you aren’t winning in cumulative points right now.

It’s not an excuse… It’s a fact.
If a server can hold +500 ticks in off hrs, at T2-5 then yeah.

No clue why your so defensive about it, during the day DB holds around 120-170ish ticks till prime time.
While other two servers are at war holding 240-350ish PPT swings.

Once again, whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better
You can’t even hold +500 ticks during our off hours, so how do you consider yourself any better?

Hahaha… You guys really are this fooled aren’t you? Your comment sums up your understanding! You are going against 2 NA prime servers, which equals zero resistance so you tick at 500 for 7 hours during your prime. EB and Yak,s have to fight each other giving them 250-350 point swing tick during their prime! So I think your comment really applies to yourself more accurately!

We’re not still on this, are we?
I’ve moved on.

Every server has their strong time.
Ours do not sync up with yours; it is the fault of none of our three servers.

I agree, it’s noone’s fault, personally. But the complaint is still valid. It would be the same if EB and DB were over night powered, with YB the solo daytime powerhouse. YB would be leading in points.

I think the reason this comes up is because of some kitteny attitudes a few DB players may have on this board. They fail in simple math and can’t seem to understand this has absolutely zero to do with skill compared to a solo time slot. The day time action is filled with YB and EB fighting each other along with a “fairly” decent showing of DB.

Really, it really is simple math here people.

Remember too that DB received some new guilds as well as more native participants and more organization (The guild I’m in, at least, I can tell you is stepping up our game for wvw and has been since our last visit to tier 4),

The DB you fought last time is not quite the same DB you’re fighting this week,
The weekends have always been our weakest part of the match, it may be simply that we handle attrition over the week better than other servers, but either way wait until mid-week to make a judgement on us.

Our NA crew has more pride lately, and even our NA crew held the lead for just about the entirety of last week in tier 5, so while you may think we’re riding the coattails of our Asian crew, you should understand that our NA crew is getting stronger and putting more effort in every day, and we proved last week that even our NA crew is better than tier 5.

hharry.1967:

What’s the reason then? Pretty dumb, if you see someone killing a hell lot of people alone you would like to know who he is to avoid and/or gank him xD

I don’t know how their network communication between servers match up.
I have some formal education in IT but do not in any way consider myself a networking expert

But if the server you’re on has to poll the opponent server for every character on a regular basis, they may have tried to strip down as much information as possible and deemed names erroneous.

I could be significantly off,
I’m hard pressed for a reason to come up with other than “To avoid abuse/taunting” myself, it just seems weird to strip names for wvw and not sPvP were that the case.

Tynan.6279:

EnRohbi.2187:

Valtrex.2895:

EnRohbi.2187:

Gorefiend.9675:

Furey.6734:

I disagree. I think DB NA prime is Tier 4. Maybe not the top of tier 4 but we are there. Without complaining, our NA crew is being focused by both of the other servers else we would be shooting up the tier alot faster. This is fine and I encourage it since I think DB should stay in tier 4 a while before moving up allowing our NA prime player base to build up and get stronger. Either way, we are here to stay in the tier this time.

DB NA team is nowhere near t4 quality. At best I would put it at mid t5.

Maybe your night crew is no where near t4 quality.
What about that?

I don’t know what scores you’ve been looking at,
But we’ve been holding our lead pretty long into the day and when we do lose it, we do not get very far behind.

You can make yourself feel better all you want by crying about our Asian population,
But at the end of the day it’s only an excuse for why you aren’t winning in cumulative points right now.

It’s not an excuse… It’s a fact.
If a server can hold +500 ticks in off hrs, at T2-5 then yeah.

No clue why your so defensive about it, during the day DB holds around 120-170ish ticks till prime time.
While other two servers are at war holding 240-350ish PPT swings.

Once again, whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better
You can’t even hold +500 ticks during our off hours, so how do you consider yourself any better?

Hahaha… You guys really are this fooled aren’t you? Your comment sums up your understanding! You are going against 2 NA prime servers, which equals zero resistance so you tick at 500 for 7 hours during your prime. EB and Yak,s have to fight each other giving them 250-350 point swing tick during their prime! So I think your comment really applies to yourself more accurately!

We’re not still on this, are we?
I’ve moved on.

Every server has their strong time.
Ours do not sync up with yours; it is the fault of none of our three servers.

Slamz.5376:

Furey.6734:

I disagree. I think DB NA prime is Tier 4.

Mmm, no. You’re usually under +200, if not under +100 and almost always in 3rd. If you did that all day, you’d be pushed into tier 5 if not lower.

But you make up for it by being +500 or more during oceanic times.

As I pointed out in my previous post,
The inclination when NA Primetime starts for YB and EB is to both attack Dragonbrand to balance out the lead we take.

There’s only 5~6 hours during the day that we are only +100~
That is LESS time than your off hours are.

We maintain the lead the Asians give us until about 5pm EST or so lately (Not the full +600 or so we get in the mornings, but a +250 or so), then we start to gain points back at, what, midnight?

Having coverage for 17-19 hours a day is no worse than other tier 4 servers