Guild Wars 2

Dunno, maybe Anet just hates rangers.

I’m pretty much furious at this point and pretty much debating on even logging on, I have a level 77 warrior but I’m moreso upset with these practices that are being used….its almost as though they are doing this on purpose to watch the QQing..

Oh and warrior gets buffed….yeah thats fair..

Overlooked? At least the warrior got something, friggin ranger got squat….

Bears and moa…..it wouldn’t be the same bears that the bots were known to roll with right? Its all comming together now..

See this is why I love my Wa-Ranger, …..soooo much ranged DPS fun with 2 pets, and my Pets are a Fern Hound…not the Junior one, and a Fleshreaver, though I need to kill 25 enemies to satisfy the condtion to summoning Fleshreaver…and fern hound has 60 sec cooldown….still they are pets, Oh and in case you were wondering I’m talking about a ranged warrior class lol.

^ This seems logical.

Can’t….stop….laughing xD

I’m sorry but If I’m a new player to Guild wars 2 I would want to know all pro’s and cons of the ranger class, and as it stands right now because of bug issues the cons out weigh the pro’s. I’m a level 80 ranger, now granted I have no real issue with my PVE, I’m fully aware that my dmg will also be far lower than warrior, I’m not here to compare the broken mechanics of the pet system to other games, I’m here to have fun at my leisure without having to stress over too many things.

However what annoys me more is the fact that people still don’t realize that the class itself is in horrible condition, regardless of how it compares to the other classes it doesn’t have any real appeal, there isn’t that something that hooks people into playing a ranger,
“Wow I get pets?!”, – Yup and after level 70 they make awesome decorations in Cursed shore".
“Oh wow a short bow and a longbow??” – Mhm, its pretty classy even though the Warrior and even thief can dish out more DPS with it :x.
“Traps are awesome!” – Yes yes they are….don’t nerf them …please…for the love of god don’t nerf them… ;_;
“Oh wow I can move pretty fast!” – Yup, just watch out or you might get sideswiped by the elementalists and Thieves speeding by.
“My pets love to protect me! They are always by my side!”— Yes they love protecting you….as well as agroing everything in the general area"
“GAH Zombies are eating my brains where are my pets?!?!” – NomNomNomNomNom.

O’k I’m sorry, but what the heck does that have to do with the previous thread? In case you were wondering they said it was a nerf to fix the animation, then later said that it was a damage nerf, read the previous thread if you are still able too, many people were calm and collected but of course we can’t control the opinions of others….In anycase what people got furious about was the fact they outright lied to us about the nerf fixing an animation that no one…or anyone thats come forward has seen.

""Took a couple of days to get debugging in on this. It is in fact a 40ms difference which equates to about 7% less damage when spamming 1. We made this change because it was creating some animation bugs to leave it where it was. It was also encouraging just spamming 1 which isn’t the most fun gameplay. If our data shows shortly that shortbow is now not effective we can certainly address that, but would do so by improving other skills on that weapon rather than by reintroducing the spam on 1 and the bugs that it was creating.""

Found the post they made a few pages back, nice to know that they get to decide what is fun for us with their “data”, ….I really don’t have anything else to add, I mean it annoys me to no end at how they will just drop a nerf and pretty much lie to us about it being a fix for an animation that no one has even seen… I mean the speculation is they did this to diminish botting…..and what did the bots do they switched weapons…. If your going to nerf a move that is the basic foundation for most ranger builds then give us some kind of buff to compensate, how about pets being able to hold agro on ALL mobs? I mean jesus it won’t effect PVP at all, no one will scream OP if it only as an effect on PVE, do this and you will have many happy rangers since so long as your pet is tanking properly your DPS output with the shortbow wouldn’t make much difference.

I must say I’m a little annoyed, instead of working on “special” events Anet should knuckle down and focus on addressing the issues of the game instead of pouring resources into seasoned events, we must agree that time could be better spent, events are great and everything but when its introduced to a game in this current state its just asking to create more problems. :/

Holy crap, 16 pages and still no response from arena net? I stopped playing my ranger a week ago and left the forums alone in hopes stuff would be straightened out, guess I was mistaken…..aw well back to warrior then.

Hrm, so I guess Charr with the racial Charrzooka is the blacksheep of the ranger community?

Yeah I want to know exactly how much testing went into this recent nerf with the SB, I want to know if this was done to Nerf dmg builds for botters in a crude attempt to make it more difficult for them. This isn’t a utility skill or a secondary attack, this is the SB MAIN ATTACK, making any sort of changes to this can seriously affect the usefulness of the ranger class, and thanks to that Ive seen people not ask for rangers in the level 80 dungeons because of your 10-15% dmg nerf. So tell me Anet how much did you guys actually look into this issue before implementing the changes that you did. I’m not trying to be rude but it would certainly shed some light on quite a few other questions if we know why you felt the need to nerf the rangers main attack skill as your “animation glitch” doesn’t seem viable and from what people see it was not even present.

Lower the damage of the SB to compensate for the pet? Well if thats the case they should lower the dmg output for the Ele and Guardian summons as well, because obviously they need balancing if you think the pet makes a viable asset in the later area’s….well I got news for you, it DOESN’T. Your pet is basically a meatshield while you pump out ranged DPS and hope that it can hold the enemy long enough so that your traps can finish them off, not to mention the range of the SB, if your taking the bloody chance of CQC then this nerf makes a significant change to playstyles, and honestly if they do this they should kitten well increase our passive movement buff cause now were officially the slowest and probably weakest of the classes now when it comes to dealing with mulitple mobs.

Ya, this is ridiculous, why not add a few usefull buffs to the ranger instead of nerfing it? Just because the botters mostly use ranger you think the solution is to nerf the skill to make it more difficult for them? I’m shaking my head and now I’m not sure if I can continue to play ranger or continue with this game for that matter since all the funs been pretty much sucked out of it because of these nerfs.

Well I hope they balance this out soon….it makes me sad when Rangers fail

I decided that this must be a bug in the system, since a rangers main attribute is its pet system then by all rights it should function accordingly, in level 70-80 area’s Mobs are completely ignoring rangers pets even when the player completely specs into the Beastmaster Trait, this is quite discouraging since a class that is based around a pet system has this main feature flawed. At least I’m assuming this is a flaw and not be design.

If this IS by design could you explain why pets must become useless in level 80 area’s? Well not useless completely, they can still deal a fair amount of damage, but no matter how low I spec my character I just seem to draw agro right away from an enemy that my pet is currently attacking.

Exactly it good be a way to encourage players to help their own community, and it would also reduce the stress load from arena net, a community of players that can sustain itself seems like quite a unique aspect, and to top it off I think arena net would be the first to implement such a system.

Well I haven’t been making games for 15 years, but I have been working in QA for 3 years, and from what I understand arena net didn’t have the resources available for widescale testing, I understand as this is an MMO it would need an extremely large QA base. However throwing out quick fixes that have not been properly tested is never a good idea….still its amazing that they are able to keep up the pace with patches.

THIS WOULDN"T NEED A PATCH, its only a matter of turning off the DR or reseting back to pre patch..

Ok for starters people have reason to be upset, there are no “bigger fish” to fry since this DR implemented as a means to combot the bot issue in the game, and as a result they screwed up the regular experience of the average player as well. As such they could easily disable the DR but they choose not to for fear of the effects of the economy. It wouldn’t take WEEKS or MONTHS, its a simple matter of adjusting the games code and completely deleted the DR system from the game or reseting it back to the pre-patch.

Regardless of what they say is in the works bottom line is it will take a few weeks, and during that time this will alienate players from even playing or they might even go elsewhere as people said, and word of mouth travels fast.

So does anyone even know when DR triggers? or how to tell when its active?? Besides crap loot drops, some visual indication would be nice, also how long does it last and can I take steps to prevent it?

That….didn’t help at all, regardless of what you guys say now it was admitted before that the system is bugged, I understand the need to stop botters but your methods in doing so are hurting the player base….I feel restricted in some ways knowing I can’t go to a level 80 area kill mobs in hopes of getting some decent mats or loot. So yeah this isn’t fun at all.

Bottom line then, if the stupid DR is bugged then it should be disabled so players don’t have to suffer through its mistakes, when they find its reasonable they can enable it again, if they are able to turn it on to begin with they can very well shut it off. This is why something smells fishy.

Yes please I support this too!

Didn’t they state before that the DR was to diminish bot farmers but normal players were being accidentally effected in the process?

Yeah it just kinda feels like diablo 3 all over again….I know Ive said that before but I reeeeeally don’t want a repeat incident in Guild wars 2

Implement a system that allows players Level 30-40+ to report people that are supposedly botting, keep track of said players account so they can’t abuse the system.
-After receiving reports from 5-10 different player accounts the supposed bot will receive a window notification warning that says their session will be terminated if they don’t click ok or something.

Edit: Oh and I’m aware that you can already report bots….but this system might be a bit more effective, someone also mentioned that adding a popup window with a captcha might be annoying but I think it would be quite effective and only annoying to bots and bot users, because as I said only high level players would be able to use this function, and no one would risk losing their character just to grief someone.
-Give them maybe 5 min to respond? Then boot them to the character screen.
-If the same person is reported and booted several times prevent them from logging back in and send them a verification email with a code or something.

Reason for only high level players to report is simple, anyone the goes to level 40 wouldn’t risk a ban on their account by abusing this power….and at the same time it gives some control to the community, a sort of way that we can manage the bots ourselves. I feel this will give some reassurance to players that they will be able to seek help when its needed, I understand that it would be difficult to have a dev/GM present in the game at all times, so maybe this would assist you guys in the workload?

Pretty sure they can’t respond when they have no answer, even just acknowledging the issue is a big no no, cause if they did then that would trigger a deadline response, the longer they don’t respond the more time they will have to work on the issue, just saying “HEY we know its a problem and we’re working on it” isn’t enough for some players….but Im taking this time to purpose a possible solution, people tell me what you think, really this all boils down to Bots. SO here goes:

-Implement a system that allows players Level 30-40+ to report people that are supposedly botting, keep track of said players account so they can’t abuse the system.
-After receiving reports from 5-10 different player accounts the supposed bot will receive a window notification warning that says their session will be terminated if they don’t click ok or something.
-Give them maybe 5 min to respond? Then boot them to the character screen.
-If the same person is reported and booted several times prevent them from logging back in and send them a verification email with a code or something.

Reason for only high level players to report is simple, anyone the goes to level 40 wouldn’t risk a ban on their account by abusing this power….and at the same time it gives some control to the community, a sort of way that we can manage the bots ourselves. Soooo….what do people think?

Orrrr they could just disable the DR completely until they fix the tweaks?

Hrm, actually after discussing it with a few other people…wouldn’t this be in their favor? If people can’t farm then prices for mats go up in TP….then when players start to get desperate they turn to the gem/currency exchange system….see this is why gold farmers get so much bussiness….maybe making mats easier to farm will discourage people from buying gold? Those cutting the head off the gold farmers for good?….maybe?

So then with DR being enforced during chain events that will discourage players from participating…..great….world events are gonna be so much more fun now…

Hrm, seems like this isn’t a minor issue anymore or however its being treated, the more people speak up about this the quicker arena net will realize that players are becoming demoralized….but seriously have you seen the prices for tier one mats at TP? Its ridiculous how much they’ve gone up…

Uh, when your farming in Orre, the DR system DOES discourage the player from continuing, which is basically just punishing the player by saying, “Ya you did well killing that group of high leveled mobs….here’s some junk loot for your troubles”, and now from what I just heard the DR is effecting mining nodes….seriously? Now its just getting ridiculous. I really want to know from arena net if DR was implemented/updated to combat bots because in a way it just seems like a quick fix and in doing so your just going to annoy allot of players, and players can only take so much from such a horrible anti-farming system.

Exactly my point, they basically ruined a major part of end game farming for the PVE players.

Ya I’m sorry, but Arena net dropped the ball on this one, allot of my guild mates just quit because DR was too frustrating, and once you’ve hit level cap then things just become an endless grind, I may check in now and again but seriously this isn’t as fun as when I first started playing the game, its beginning to smell allot like Diablo 3….And I hate that smell..

start killing off her babies/minons I did that and the skill challenge triggered.

Its usually people “kiting” those NPC skill challenges, pulling them from area’s that their path is set to, I think skill challengers are not bound by reset boundaries if player continues to agro them by keeping conditions constantly on them and such..

Arena net this isn’t a “minor” bug this is a foundamental flaw in the Rangers basic functionality, without pets that can hold agro they become useless later on and it seems pointless for them to even be used. As rangers we should not be forced to spec ourselves weaker so that our pet can hold agro on even some of the more basic higher leveled mobs. So please take this into consideration when your doing your next class updates, thank you.

So telling them to knock it off was a bad thing then? Yeah I guess maybe that was the fuel or I took the bait, but at the time I was in a skirmish with 5 drakes and needed to help my pet :/

I don’t like blocking though, cause true you can no longer hear them, but my guild mates can, not to mention anyone on the map, its like talking trash behind someones back. The could continue to do so and just give an all around bad impression of you, I’m not a tightkitten when it comes to games, I just don’t see why I have to deal with some random pissant that just starts talking trash to me because for whatever god forsaken reason they feel the need to.

Don’t have to screen shot, about 10 other people reported them as well, so I’m assuming Arena net would be dealing with it today.

That was sarcasm…

So if people are only “joking” but the person being harassed is not aware of that it makes it O’k? OH I understand now, My apologies I guess I should be more mindful of when someone is insulting me that they just want to joke around, calling me a kitten or kitten is just there way of saying “Hi, want to be friends?” Yeah that whole explanation makes it right, no it doesn’t, lemme boil it down, people are gettingkitten cause what usually is completely excepted in map chats in other MMO’s is not the same as what is excepted here, players can report other players and guess what? The admins actually care, and will take steps to ensure that someone else doesn’t experience the same thing. Yeah trash talk is fine so long as it doesn’t turn into hateful spits of insults and then rage, I don’t give a rats butt what people are used to in other games.

Oh just to note, I was innocent in this encounter and was no way playing the devils advocate, I made a comment on how I was sticking it to the drakes with my bow on main chat cause someone asked which was better, long or shortbow, then someone said “Just like I stick it to your mom everynight” so yeah, I’m the one COMPLETELY at fault here.

O’k first off I’m aware of the rules that arena net have been enforcing in regards to map chat, however it seems people have not been taking them seriously, or have claimed that Arena net do nothing. I really don’t believe this to be true, but I have been harassed multiple times in map chat with “your mother” comments, and being called a kitten and pretty much any other name that the persons in question can come up with.

Now I’m hoping that they will be logging into a 72 hr ban today, but I just wanted to point out that if you see this kind of thing in chat, or like me you try to defend yourself only to be bombarded with “your a whinny kitten” or “go back to wow kitten” it can become a little annoying, so to help people realize this I propose that maybe Arena net should release an update announcement? Like how we are updated on the launcher about patches, just a note to remind people of Chat TOS and that they do take each case seriously enough, people seem to think arena net are too busy with other things or they don’t ban people for “stupid” stuff like that. But as one of my friends learned yesterday when he got a notice of a 72 hr ban for chat conduct they are watching.

So I suggest people who have nothing positive to say in map chat best keep opinions to themselves, speaking friendly or joking is fine but all that garbage talk in other MMO’s don’t fly here. And just cause you report someone doesn’t make you a whinny kitten, it makes you a mature adult only interested in a civilized map chat. So any other like minded people out there that just enjoy friendly and helpful map chat? Oh and cursing is fine so long as its not directed at anyone

I focused on magic find, mainly cause I want to increase my drop chances from mobs, and Ive been having no issue taking on 1-2 mobs at a time in lvl 80 zones, I spec’d for condition dmg, so bleeds are my specality as well as burns, also have a superior swiftness/haste sigil in my sceptor, 10% chance to use swiftness/haste on attack, which pretty much gives me super rapid fire ever so often which basically stacks 20+ bleeds on the mob, they are dead within a matter of moments, if I have pet active I can take 3-4 mobs at a time, I kite allot and retreat when I have to, having 30 in arcane really helps out since I can pretty much completely heal by doing a dodge when attuned to water.