Put yourself in our shoes first, imagine what it would be like beating the other two servers in your matchup by double score most of the time and not moving up for almost 3 straight months!! We deserve this chance and you know it.
Sure, and most of us get that. But here’s our shoes: T7 matches have been extremely close for weeks now and we probably have the most balanced tier out of the entire NA ladder.
Don’t worry there will be plenty of time for all that in T8.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
If this is such a good idea, why isn’t the same service being given to euro t8 & 9? Good to know bribes do work.
Didn’t even think of that….how much would it take to get into T7 tonight. I have a bottle of Jack a terrible attitude and the only thing that would make me happy aside from punching a baby would be to fight NSP tonight
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Announcing this correction with so little warning feels a bit like throwing GoM under the bus… how about making the ratings bump a bit more public and waiting till next week so servers have a chance to prepare.
How is this throwing GoM under the bus? I’m just curious, because even if they normalize t8, you still have a week to not come in third place again. Either show up or don’t and fall to t8, pretty clean cut.
I think this can easily give that impression when you couple an artificial drop to t8 with the free transfers this week, which many have pointed to as being partially responsible to this weeks matchup imbalance. Having both of these happen in the same week may make people feel like they have been tossed under a large motorized vehicle, despite the reality of any intentions or effects.
If GoM drops to t8 tonight, then we will fight our way out. If we have a week to escape the drop, then we will fight our way out. Either way our destination is through mountains of enemy corpses. Changes little for us.
I think GoM needs to pack their bags and keep those red shirts out you will need them again soon.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
When SF comes up to T7 it is only going to prove to everyone how broken the system was before. We have been in T8 for almost 3 month dominating and vastly outnumbering our opponents.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Announcing this correction with so little warning feels a bit like throwing GoM under the bus… how about making the ratings bump a bit more public and waiting till next week so servers have a chance to prepare.
At least NSP has a week to pack their bags….guessing mostly because Anet came down to see the numbers on both servers and saw exactly what I saw in my grand adventure to T7.
Maybe all the pics and talk of recent numbers paid off.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Gtfo sf no one likes you guys, any t7 server will roflstomp t8
Speaking as someone who used to be on Ferg and played against SF. I would say nobody is going to be roflstomping anyone. SF/HOD/NSP will be a very good match. SF has similar numbers, and plenty of skilled guilds. Will be fun to be in a match with our KING friends again .
Looks like we could be up there as soon as tonight so we will all see, sorry GoM if that happens
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Well those T7 guys were posting pics of spiking a Anet employee….so the only fair thing to do is move SF and let us right this injustice for you guys.
I usually dont use bible quotes but this one from Deuteronomy would be most fitting given the current situation and what T7 is going to look like afterward.
‘All its land is brimstone and salt, a burning waste, unsown and unproductive, and no grass grows in it, like the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, which the LORD overthrew in His anger and in His wrath.’……Dueteronomy 29:23
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
-average EB population during weeknight primetime?
-average overnight coverage?
-biggest zerg size you tend to see?
Lets just say we all field hordes of people that will proc multiple orange swords at any point in the day, and during prime time the zergs are so big that all you see most times is just a sea of red.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Gtfo sf no one likes you guys, any t7 server will roflstomp t8
Lol, if T7 people come and post in T8 threads then I will come here. Just wanted to share the good news with you guys….and SF will come in and show you how broken the system was before. I highly doubt HoD will get out of T7 before we come up there and bring total destruction with us…so best bet is for you guys is to get your affairs in order because once we do move kitten aint going to be pretty up there.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
I was taking shots within an hour of each other and those were the number that were on each of the still doesn’t match the armies on T8.
A shot of a group taking a supply camp is not really very convincing.
The shots of T8 are more interesting. Clearly ET has grown in recent weeks.
The shots I took were just about the same time on each server and for T7 I was running to the commander badges and to where I saw crossed swords on maps where HoD was present….after 40mins or so I didn’t really find to much.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Yeah but HoD is below all of the T8 servers so they shouldn’t even be included, they may be able to drag A T6 server down before we unleash ourselves on the rest of the tiers right above us
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Its not the score that you will remember months from now.Its the glory ,the thirst for a good fight and the hunger for more…
And if that is fulfilled…. Then my friend… It does not matter what tier you are in…
You got something other higher tier guilds been searching and still searching up to now……
Satisfaction… Good day mates
Yes there are much better fights now than they were before the transfers and it makes everything so much better, but as a Tier in whole we all need to pull out of this quagmire and see where the chips fall. One thing is for sure we will drag T7 down and make everyone realize the problem with the system when we blow up some of the higher servers.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Filthy and I dislike eachother strongly but seem to agree on this. +1 filthy
I don’t dislike anybody – I’m just a white trash hero trying to fulfill my destiny…nothing more nothing less.
Except Muary Povich….that girl just had 15 dudes tested for paternity and you are trying to console her telling her she is good person when there isn’t a match. KITTEN you Maury, Kitten you!!!
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Regarding the idea of T8 swapping places with T7: Oh frack yes. We’re considered the
“Plagued” Tier, the abandoned child. I’ll admit it would be quite funny to get the lot of us, all three servers chock full of aggression, out of here. For that matter, Manoa, why
think small? Let us – ALL of us – become the next T1. (cue villainous laughter …)
Right, folks. Time to rise, like the bloody Phoenix.
When GoM plunges to T8 they are going to get murdered something fierce and we are going to stomp in T7 so hopefully we will be able to drag all of T7 down here pretty soon after we pull out. There is nothing special about T7 at all. HoD is the server in the lead and they aren’t a match for any server in T8 IMO. I have been doing a lot of recon over there and got to tell people I was really surprised at the number they field.
Just look at the majority of the screenshots posted in their forums, although they field greater number during prime time it doesn’t seem to be anything T8 servers couldn’t demolish.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
I love how there was post upon post for 2 months straight on the broken glicko system and now emerge these tacticians that have been telling us how to get out of the system for 2 months. To bring up Kaineng tactics is a little funny since it was them and DR that drove scores so low to begin with.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
I was taking shots within an hour of each other and those were the number that were on each of the still doesn’t match the armies on T8.
You’ve asked me specifically to post tier 7 screenshots at any given time because you didn’t feel that tier 7 had the numbers that tier 8 can have. I posted screenshots of my playtime yesterday. Look, this is silly. Every server has their peak periods and their off periods. I’m just suggesting you may have selected a suitable time for your tier 8 screenshots and a non-suitable time for you tier 7 screenshots.
Lol…I was responding to the fact that you said that things didn’t add up kind of making it seem I was being dishonest or something. The pics I’m posting are at around the same time I was taking them and there are already a few pics of our numbers at the peak times that show a ton of people.
Some one fromT7 asked how SF would match up and what better way than to show consistent screenies of the numbers on all three servers and show how all three servers down here would match up.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Ok some more screen shots they are about 30-40 apart. And T7 please you guys were interested before on how we would fare please throw some pics up, cause finding the big armies is very tiresome. I can spend 30 mins on a map and not see any orange swords around. Sorry FC couldn’t get any good ones of you guys at that point and there were a bunch more ET around the corner.
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Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
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How about resetting tier 7 and 8 to the lvl of the lowest server in tier 6? let em fight it out and resettle into new spots. I get the feeling sorrows furnace would not be in tier 8 when it worked it’s way out.
I don’t think FC and ET would be there either
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
We get the idea from the fact that as soon as VK came down here there were many people that started posting videos and giving out advise to every server that was kind of antagonistic.
Not sure why people get the idea that SF or any of T8 wants us in this match, and the only thing it has done is made our tactics a whole lot worst. Agg came down from T1 and didn’t start blowing up the forums like VK even though they were staying. I have read the T2 forums from before you guys came down and there was a complete change of attitude down here all the way in T8….but I would like to see how other T2 servers would react if you guys posted on your forums like that.
And the impartial opinions seemed a lot more like jabs than anything else. But hey I just spoke my honest opinion about how I felt about the ego stroking of a T2 guild that jumps down for a week to “Vacation” in T8 and then post like crazy on forums where they aren’t staying in.
Actually, we’ve been a lot classier here than in T2 with TC. I won’t go into detail here, but we have a 6 month long hate relationship with TC. So….you just basically lied to everyone.
Second…we put up videos every forum we are in. It’s actually pretty normal. Lots of people from our server and competing servers in T2/T3 do it. I’d suggest you guys do it too. It’s fun.
You…you are just trying to create a fight. That’s fine. Maybe someone will take the bait. However, I’d advise searching other avenues for enjoyment. I use to waste my time doing similar things. I’m happier now.
You…you……you……..your post doesn’t even make sense, first you say that VK has been a lot classier on this tier than in T2…and then the last line you talk searching for avenues of enjoyment or something like that.
If you noticed I didn’t say anything until one of the last negative post from one of your T2 heroes. hope you guys feel better coming down to T8 and insulting a whole server, though you would have had thicker skin though than to let the opinion of some one from T8 bother you.
And as far as the T2 post goes there wasn’t a lot of Heroes on there standing up to the other servers….just a whole lot of talk about how VK’s server was outnumbered by the others and that makes me think you guys came here for an ego boost and to beat up on SF cause of our numbers. (which is totally out of our control)
HEY guys lets drop down 6 tiers and fight the lowest tier then give them all advice, talk about how they aren’t as good as us, how much gold we are making, and post a bunch of videos and we can just call it a vacation.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Numbers in T7 are low right now because everyone seems to be playing some 8 bit dungeon in Rata Sum. Even other PVE zones are empty. Every waypoint in Orr is contested.
If T8 attacked during a major PVE event I think they’d crush T7.
I’ve been watching the numbers from before the 8-bit game came into play. And we have a decent amount in there too. But please post all the screen shots you want that show WvW numbers.
I was just responding to a post that was made of any ex-SF player but since I have accounts in both tiers I can post pics anytime of day and show the difference.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
We get the idea from the fact that as soon as VK came down here there were many people that started posting videos and giving out advise to every server that was kind of antagonistic.
Not sure why people get the idea that SF or any of T8 wants us in this match, and the only thing it has done is made our tactics a whole lot worst. Agg came down from T1 and didn’t start blowing up the forums like VK even though they were staying. I have read the T2 forums from before you guys came down and there was a complete change of attitude down here all the way in T8….but I would like to see how other T2 servers would react if you guys posted on your forums like that.
And the impartial opinions seemed a lot more like jabs than anything else. But hey I just spoke my honest opinion about how I felt about the ego stroking of a T2 guild that jumps down for a week to “Vacation” in T8 and then post like crazy on forums where they aren’t staying in.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
now let’s try and be a tier that isn’t at each others throats in the forum
Well, you certainly won’t be ready for tier 7 with that attitude.
:)
Lol…I can see we are getting people to come here and check out the screen shots of our battles. Everyone in T7 should be pretty scared because it’s only a matter of time before you guy get dragged down here.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
NA primetime starts at 2PM Eastern?
Post a screenshot of tier 8 at the same time of the day just for fun.
Look, I understand the point you are trying to make. I do not have any screenshots to prove mine right now. In fact I’ve never taken any screenshots of my battles but I may start.
The best way we would have to verify that though would be that SF gets out of tier 8. Don’t lose too much rankings and you may just do that soon.
The number at prime time are ten fold of those pics you just saw, don’t worry will be posting some tonight.
We should just make a thread with screenshots of T7 and T8 screenshot numbers and that would be the best way to prove how broken the system is.
GoM losing 0ver 40pts this week….they will be thrown to the lions den if they don’t step up. And must tell you I really do feel bad for the first team that has to face ET and FC when we move up. After almost 3 months they are going to be on the warpath to fight a server with similar numbers.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Well, as all these thousands of threads say, I will be quaking in my boots in 2016. For all those numbers (contained in carefully chosen screenshots plus the highly creditable view from one person who has no biases at all) math still > T8 – Which I believe is the topic of this thread. Until then please enjoy pressing 1 for 6 hours daily. Oh, there’s a reason T7 posts small group shots – 99.9% of the posts involve paxa.
Well the topic is about observations about T8 and Math, the math i was assuming was about the broken system. But since I rarely read any post but my own just didn’t bother…based of the topic name just wanted to post MY observations about the subject. T8 is stuck here because of the system and the numbers of the T8 servers vs T7 servers just shows that.
Don’t worry I’m sure you will have plenty of time to ponder this NSP gets dragged down here – it’s only a matter of time before all T8 moves up now. The only saving grace would be if HoD can move up and escape the impending doom.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Oh yeah logged in about an hour ago and the army of FC in Eternal was at least twice the size of the people in all of HoD, and they were taking stuff in other maps too. There is someone out there that can tell T7 of SF numbers, to bad he didn’t stay to see the huge increase to ET and FC.
Below are the screen shots of all the main HoD forces at that time and then the GoM zerg that nobody even came out to fight except for me and a few other people.
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Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
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Thats exactly what I did last night when I logged into HoD at 7pm eastern time and there was a zerg of 25 running around in EB and about 15-20 taking stuff back in HoD bl. There were others there but most were defending points that weren’t under attack while other stuff was getting taken. If that is the winning team in T7 during a peak hour then you guys will enjoy your move to T8 after ET moves up.
So once SF moves up with the lowest score in T7 and blows the other teams out of the water what will happen to the scores of those teams?
7PM Eastern time in EB, only 25 HoD? Granted I’ve logged from 8PM to 11PM Eastern, I can tell you there was a lot more HoD than that. I can’t remember the exact time but HoD definetely tried a golem rush to SM with a lot more than 25 people while I was there. Commander guild name was “thinkerer” or something like it.[/quote]
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That was just one night but I have been logging in a lot and the numbers don’t seem to add up for T7 v T8.
If anyone doubts me just go to each of our forums for the week and look at the screen shots of most of the battles from both tiers. And T7 PLEASE post pics of the huge battle you guys have cause all I see are pretty small fight on there.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
I’m starting to see why SF suffers in the open field – more forum warriors that WvW warriors. Glad you guys got brave after we left. Wouldn’t have minded that attitude while we were in the tier. It’s weird you guys always seem to kill us when no one is on. Such is the paradox of forum battles. I’m also impressed with your “genuine” concern for FC. Hopefully, one day you guys break out of T8 and you utilize your easily T4 maybe T3 viable population because there’s a chance you’ll face FA some day then.
Good luck FC. Fight the good fight. You guys rock and your playerbase has an amazing attitude.
Talking about forum warriors, why would a visiting team come all the way down to T8 “on a vacation” then start to blow up the forums about all their skills. That was until Agg came down and showed everyone what top tier guilds are made of. I know for a fact there wasn’t that much propaganda in your old forums.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Thats exactly what I did last night when I logged into HoD at 7pm eastern time and there was a zerg of 25 running around in EB and about 15-20 taking stuff back in HoD bl. There were others there but most were defending points that weren’t under attack while other stuff was getting taken. If that is the winning team in T7 during a peak hour then you guys will enjoy your move to T8 after ET moves up.
So once SF moves up with the lowest score in T7 and blows the other teams out of the water what will happen to the scores of those teams?
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
I don’t think most of those people are from FC though. Although I am sure there are some. As far as tying up population slots… how dare they tie up 30 slots. LOL. Seriously, that’s such a ridiculous complaint to lobby at VK.
Anyways how does the saying go… teach a man to fish (or something).
When FC said they couldn’t field those numbers two weeks ago it seems like a big deal, and it was 30+ (they said they can get about 30 on reset night). They took up spots that could have went to guild like LAW and some of the others out there (can’t remember the names) that are much more skilled than VK. Once you brake the VK little zergball the just scatter and run. (expected more from a T2 server)
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
I used to be under the impression that we all belong in T8 until I went to T7 and had an eye opening experience. First off the whole thread is to point out the fact that ET and FC do not deserve to have such a low rating at all, and yes I think the first T7 server that drop is going to end up in spot 24.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
After seeing the competition in T7 Anet really needs to get people in both tiers to check out both tiers. I understand there is no easy fix for T8 but for the love of god boost ET and FC by at least 200-300 points to try to put a band aid on the problem for now.
It is so unreasonable for their scores to be about half of T7 servers…especially after the new transfers. I have played on both Tiers and seems like T7 would stand a chance against T8 so for teams to be punished from problems that free transfers created doesn’t seem right.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Also forgot to add that most people have been stating for months that we outnumber the other servers by a fair amount. And it wasn’t fun for most people on all sides, I don’t care what tier we are in or the score just as long as there are back and forth fights going on.
Can’t wait until every server here climbs out of T8 and drags all the T7 servers down here. Good luck and godspeed to all.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
I have been out on T7 a few times and didn’t see that much coverage out there, but it has been a few days will check it out again when I can
You xfered your character from ET to HoD?
Yeah wanted to see the numbers there and see what T7 was like, it made me sad cause it was the best fighting I’ve seen in a while. Even and smaller fights and the use of defensive siege on keeps without having Ele’s blow it up, some of the stuff lower tiers used to be like.
Saying that I feel T7 is no match for T8 in any way and once we brake out and then you guys they are going to be in for a rude awakening. Hope VK leaving FC doesn’t hurt them to much.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
Everybody knows we at VK have just been visitors to this tier. So what I’m about to say comes from somebody with no dog in this fight at all. I’m done for the night here and will be back on FA tomorrow.
SF, you’re kidding yourself if you think it isn’t your numbers making the difference. We’ve been able to hold your towers or anything else we want until you’ve been able to outnumber us by a minimum of a 2 people AND until we get bored and start charging in all willy nilly. You guys REALLY don’t want to be moving up tiers to servers with numbers anywhere near your equal because quite frankly your tactics are terrible and you’re just plain not good fighters.
Believe me, don’t believe me, whatever you like. Just my honest observation.
Well since SF hasn’t had a worthy opponent in over 2.5 months don’t think any one here will take anything you say seriously. Seeing Agg’s tactics and skill I really find it hard to believe that VK came from a top tier server, but then again maybe coming down here was supposed to be a ego boost for you guys. Not to sure why any one from a T2 server would come and vacation on T8 for a week but it was nice of you guys to take 30+ free transfers from the lowest populated server for whatever the reason (sure they will be thanking you at the end of this upcoming week)
Glad that Agg is staying for the long run, good to have decent armies to fight.
Barodd-80 W/Kremklin-80 Me/Dokast-80 Nec
Nine Divines (ND)
Sorrow’s Furnace
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