Ok so Zefrost are you interested in a 2v2 vs me and Ehecatl? Since you are concerned about reflecting or dodging, which is unheard of, you may choose if I use an axe or dagger offhand.
Me: currently 60% PvP rank, will 1v1 you as a melee ranger while you LB me. No ability to attack you from LB range at all.
You: Confused about LB capabilities and strengths and weaknesses.
If your theory is I must be distracted first for this to work, sort of like how a scepter ele or pistol whip thief might take the opportunity to ambush you, feel free to suggest a 2 v 2 or so. You may choose the members of my team as long as they are a ranger forum regular we’ve heard of and not complete nubs, and will agree to join.
Also to you people saying I am “complaining”, I would like to see your counterargument, if you are intelligent enough to make one on your own rather than slewing mindless insults.
We’ll I’ve been lavishingly tossing around the challenge that no noob RF LB ranger is going to beat me. According to you we need to step it up and go group v group, and I am down with proving that wrong as well.
We need to establish a few teammates for me. Let’s say 3 LB rangers vs me and 2 random ranger forum regulars?
Ya because that’s what Anet should do. Have random employees posting things on the forums moments after the biggest fan explosion in the last 2 years. That’s how you communicate without getting fired.
I think the Signet buff is too much honestly. That is the issue, imho.
This is amusing. Take the “worst” profession in the entire game in every single game mode, give them the signets that all other professions enjoy and now they’re completely OP. That’s the issue we’re currently trying to work through. There are psychologists available.
The best part is the highly skilled OP wasn’t even killed by the buffed RF which he blocked, he was killed by the normal longbow skills, and is still complaining.
Since you took the time to make a video that clearly elaborates my position on this “Sword is highest DPS” bullkitten, I want you to specifically notice, especially in that dual engi fight, just how LONG you go with that swoard equipped and not in melee range.
This is why I will always go axe/torch and LB on switch in roaming. I don’t want to hear this “Oh but you have to be in melee to max your bleed stacks” blah blah crap. Standing there dealing NO damage with that sword shows you just how powerful that paper DPS really is.
No one has ever to my knowledge stated sword was the highest damage PvP weapon. I’d love a reference.
PvE, obviously sword blows axe out of the water. For duel? Pretty sure axe blows sword out of the water if you’re condi.
A well played power ranger can be a really pain in the kitten , with the RF and signet buff their survival has been increased.
60620 LB / GS with bark skin.
Said build has zero condi removal. Or presumably 1 per 10 seconds with SoR.
Last time i checked, my D/P thief didnt have any cond power, we talking power here folks.
Because people roam assuming they won’t face condis.
i was talking about thief vs ranger match up
Because you use duel builds for roaming and not builds that can handle roaming.
Honestly the next person who suggested a glass cannon LB ranger is OP gets punched in the elbow by the entire community, can we agree on that?
Edit: Also for the love of god no. You run a LB ranger and I’ll duel you using an only melee ranger, you have my account name. I will kick your kitten . LB is not OP.
I do more damage than my guardian and stay alive just as long, albeit with a bit more care.
Great, you’re the new meta. Convert your guild to rangers.
I’m not being down on you, I know your build works without a shadow of a doubt. I don’t think you’ve reached the full potential of it but it is safe and will succeed.
By the way I don’t discount your T1 aimed build, but my T2 experience is just as relevant since we also queue all the maps on reset and zergs are just as big. Honestly I think down to about T4 they queue maps on reset but I could be wrong.
Mind if I ask what is the purpose of the ranger trapper from a WvW point of view?
Flame Trap and Spike Trap do a lot of condi damage, plus traps can be traited to be thrown almost like a grenade. You augment it with the usual ranger weapons like sword, dagger, axe, torch, even short bow, etc. The other traps have their uses but this is 101.
You can use them in zergs. But… eh. The one place I do suggest them is in open-wall tower defense. Even as a mostly power ranger I will swap to traps and slap them down on a wall gap.
I was really hoping someone would put up a new axe video. I HATE axe and was hesitant to try it, but knew it would be largely buffed.
Also can I just say to all youtube fight video makers:
When you’re actually involved in the fight and know what button you’re going to push, real time is normal time. For viewers, it’s take a few watches to see what you actually pushed because we can’t see your mind. The difference between playing and watching is like 1000%.
The slo-mo is a really nice feature. I encourage everyone to use it. For appropriate dodge and important skill uses and stuff obviously, not every autoattack!
Umm, ya, actually with the new pet updates. There could be some viable BM builds that are strong. But from my personal experience, in the current meta, if I want to win a 1 v 1 I go condi signets.
Birds now apply whatever it is, 2k bleed or something and stacking more and more and more permanent cripple every 6 seconds if you go 6 in to BM, it’s just ridiculous.
I played on the ranger all last night in wvw, and it felt unfair, most fights i had started with me at full health and them at 50% (sometimes lower) before any of their skills even hit me.
That’s the advice I’ve been giving glass LB rangers for years. If your opponent doesn’t start at ~ 50% health, you’re pretty much hosed. You could literally find dozens of posts of mine that say “you need to get them down to 50% by the time of melee”.
LB rangers use all their traits and most of their utilities just to exist.
I said this in the other forum post about it, the speed and damage and all that isn’t op, what’s op is the range. The fact that the ranger can initiate a burst from so far away without allowing the enemy to counter is kinda op. I know a few classes have range extending traits that can reach that distance, engi grenades at 1500, grenades that travel super slow that you literally can just move left or right to dodge. Thieves’ 1500 steal, but they still have to get close to do damage. I think if they made it where you could only take the increased speed OR the increased range it would be more balanced. Having both is a little much.
Anyone know how long it takes to cover 300ish range? .25 seconds? Instantly with movement buffs? Hop on a ranger, UrMom, and actually see how this stuff works. The reason everyone laughed about LBs in the past is because closing the distance is absolutely trivial.
No sane ranger would run a beast master build since the pet nerf.
Not to get off topic, but Niah ran one with success in ToL1, finishing on the 2nd place team. I actually use BM as my main dueling spec and it will win 9/10 times. I dueled the ranger forum member soilder while using an experimental BM spec, and while he beat me like 5/5 times, they were at least competitive (and I was also quite drunk at the time which was not good for noticing his high invuln uptime and wasting my skills.) He’s also way better than the average player. Finally, the BM line buffs are actually REALLY strong, to the point I think people are focusing on completely the wrong thing about the update. Ain’t got nothin’ to do with a LB, it’s about the pet buffs.
Anywho, back to the LB OP nonsense.
Edit: For the record I have no idea why Niah was running that build, I hated everything about it. But he ran it.
Well hell, I guess I’ll +1 this. Anet is probably overwhelmed with kittenstorms at the moment and they don’t read this forum anyway, but this issue is particularly aggravating to me.
Maybe it’s just me but does anyone else ever go on swearing rants off mic when something goes wrong then come back on the mic nice and calm. I often wondered what happen if I was open mic saying that stuff
Judging from a lot of the youtube videos I’ve seen, many don’t do the courtesy of turning the mic off.
Enough jibba jabba. I’m about to run out the door, but if anyone truly feels that LB is completely OP and RF is a win-button, I’ll be happy to duel you while you have LB and I have the ranger melee sets to hopefully change your mind. You can pick if I’m allowed to use offhand axe or just dagger for the 1h sword, even.
not necessarily, as now a good powerranger (lol) can always outkite the condi, whereas a condiranger mainly has to be in semi-melee (around 600)
The kiting ability hasn’t changed for LB at all, and I don’t think a balanced LB build can outrun or do even enough damage to hurt the typical S/T A/D condi regen build. A pure glass cannon LB build will get absolutely wrecked by a condi ranger. SoR as the only condi cleanse isn’t going to cut it!
I should know, I played glass LB ranger roaming for over a year. Many builds could be beat, some I had to run from (hello, high mobility engies like Koroshi.)
I love it how rangers think that they are now beating people using skill. All you are doing is using range posistioning and pushing a button. And Pew Pewing. Ranger is one of the easyest easy classes to play. I never understood while so many rangers were bad at it.
I posted in another thread, if anyone actually believes RF is a win button, I’m happy to duel you using my straight out of the box melee ranger build. I won’t change anything to specifically counter a LB, I won’t even take offhand axe. If I lose, it will be because I got outplayed over an extended time, not because you RF win buttoned me. I’ve been drinking and I’m still pretty confident based on the garbage RF spam I’ve been seeing for the past 2 days.
I think sic em might be best used on a melee or maybe some condi rangers. I’m not sure a LB ranger can dish out enough damage in the time allotment to get the best use out of it, and I assume RF still tracks through stealth. Not to mention LB users need their utilities to survive more than any other type of rangers.
Tried it all afternoon.
Easy mode.
And to all the people who say “learn to dodge” : you re just acting delusional.
A thief Backstabs me and is DPS ing me down? Just Lb #4. He uses a Shadowstep to come back to me? Lb #3 and reposition. He uses another Shadowstep to come near me? Stone Signet, then rapid fire. Dead thief.
Shadow Arts thieves are more thanks and that’s why I slot Sic Em on my utilities, and they drop like flies.
Meanwhile.
Literally every single one of your examples is something that was available before the update, except that now RF is slightly less useful against thieves.
Oh, getting rid of melee thieves is as easy as pressing 4? I didn’t realize. No wonder they’re the laughing stock of GW2!
Now that LB is suddenly sort of viable, people are realizing it actually has good skills available to be used and are horrified by that fact.
It’s also worth pointing out, as someone who roamed with a glassy LB for I think it was more than a year, thieves have always been pretty susceptible to going down from a RF. Remember the damage has only been marginally increased.
Glassy kills glassy and vice versa. The current RF still doesn’t do much to the zerg-built heavies, although they can certainly lose, as they often do to roamers.
Enough jibba jabba. I’m about to run out the door, but if anyone truly feels that LB is completely OP and RF is a win-button, I’ll be happy to duel you while you have LB and I have the ranger melee sets to hopefully change your mind. You can pick if I’m allowed to use offhand axe or just dagger for the 1h sword, even.
Heading out now, but I’ll leave the offer on the table for another time. We can do all the math in the world, but… If I lose it will be because you outplayed me over the course of a couple minutes, and will have nothing to do with a RF win button.
And I’m not a hostile dueler at all, I just want to prove to people RF is no big deal.
Enough jibba jabba. I’m about to run out the door, but if anyone truly feels that LB is completely OP and RF is a win-button, I’ll be happy to duel you while you have LB and I have the ranger melee sets to hopefully change your mind. You can pick if I’m allowed to use offhand axe or just dagger for the 1h sword, even.
Why didn’t people used to complain about the old maul builds that would hit for like 60k? Because you had to use all utility slots and burn all cooldowns to accomplish those big hits. That’s the same thing with these newbie RF rangers. Either their build is a 1-time effort and then they’re helpless if the person doesn’t immediately just give up and die, or they have a reasonable, balanced LB build.
There’s a difference between ‘caring about’ something and acting like the sky is falling.
Personally, I think I can express my concerns in video games without it becoming drama. =P
?? It’s a nerf to the class as a whole, nothing to do with GS. The biggest reason we were taken in dungeons is now completely obliterated, so no one will accept you whatever weapon you use.
This is what you’re calling my drama. I too think I can express my concerns without it being a hissy fit. I’m stating facts here. FS was by everyone’s account obliterated. It is not usable at all. FS was also the biggest and possibly only reason rangers were wanted in dungeon groups. What exactly is your problem with that statement?
I approached an enemy north BL camp a while ago. It was guarded by a thief and LB ranger, and I thought well that probably isn’t doable. 10 or whatever vs me on my melee ranger. Then an ele ran past me without even pausing, popped magnetic aura, and we took the camp. It was hysterical.
The 5v5 matches you enter in the Heart of the Mists (sPvP) will occasionally give you level-up tomes as rewards for playing in official matches.
The massive 3-way server vs server (WvW for world vs world) will give you experience for everything just like normal PvE, but you will die a lot as a low level. There is also a tournament starting this weekend so people might be a little more hostile than usual.
