You guys talk like skill matters in GW2’s WvW. All that matters is how many people queue up and if they do it 24/7.
ET has always been a low pop server that had undermanned buffs most of the day. Ruin’s zerg allowed ET to compete with servers who had more players. Now that the zerg is gone it is impossible for ET to field the kind of numbers necessary to win.
The only reason IoJ is winning now is because they have more players than the other servers. The only reason JQ is winning now is because they have more players than the other servers. The only reason HoD and ET are losing is because they lost too many players to be able to field a zerg.
The final week score in WvW is all about the zerg, nothing else.
Love em or hate em, RUIN’s zerg is the main reason ET even made it to t1, the other guilds helped but it would not have happened without RUIN.
Now that RUIN has left, ET will drop down to t3 now, maybe even t4. There are still a lot of good players left. Just not the zerg amounts needed to compete at the higher tiers. Should be much better small group action and much more fun, for those of us who prefer that style of open world PvP.
If you prefer the useless bragging rights of T1 (and the zergs / queues that go with it) then jump on the free transfer bandwagon.
Our guild left JQ because of the queues. The players were great but we prefer to actually pvp, rather than sit in a queue all night.
Now that JQ is on top, the band wagon players are all on your server. But by your comments it is obvious you enjoy pvping against a queue more than actual pvp in the game… So you should be very happy friday night
Are you telling me that Oceanics are causing all the queues on this one server (HoD), and therefore need to leave their server?
No, not at all, but when you are sitting in a 200 player queue at 3 am while no other NA server has a queue at that time it’s a matter of numbers.
I can tell by your comments and questions that you’re a very extreme person lol. Not everything is so black and white.
Telling players to balance out a server that is heavy on pop is like trying to herd cats…. good luck. There will always be bandwagon players that flock to the number one server ALWAYS. It will never change.
If SBI were to start winning every match everyone that bandwagoned to HoD would jump ship to SBI, because hey why not transfers are free! So then what? Is the original SBI crew supposed to pack up and leave because a bunch of people ruined their server for them?
Theres not much logic in that.
I agree with you there. In the end it is only going to be solved by ANet, if at all. I can assure you that whatever happens, many players on HoD will not like it.
And what really needs to happen is for HoD players to spread out, but you never thought of that did you? Nope, it’s everyone else’s fault but your own…
What needs to happen is for your guild to either transfer to the Oceanic populated servers, or to recruit more Oceanic guilds to your own server. The solution is really simple, take control of your fate and stop publicly, endlessly, kittening, and generally acting like you can’t fix it your end.
You’re just embarrassing your own server by continuing to post. By post I mean whine.
Well, I have told you twice that ANet’s own data refutes your lame solution. So since you refuse to deal with reality then what good are you?
The only people who should be embarrassed is anyone who still plays on HoD. Nobody who truly enjoys pvp would ever put up with your 7 hour queues, only the lame coat tail riders do that. We all know who they are.
When Military special forces go in behind enemy lines at night to do secret missions. Do you think the enemy wakes up the next day with all their stuff gone and say, " Hey we were all asleep that’s not fair!" “Your only allowed to fight when we are awake too!” Puppies NO! they don’t say that! and if they did the attacking force would laugh in their face like HOD is doing now.
Its called Spechul Takticz!
It’s not war, it’s a game. If your favorite NFL team was only allowed to field players for the first half and the second half the other team could score unopposed, would you think that was good tactics? Or just a lame game?
If HoD was winning because of superior tacticts that would be one thing. But their wins are mainly because of a population imbalance. That is lame and you know it.
So if its just a game why you so mad over it?
Heres for your NFL example. 1 NFL team is unbeaten, so the 2 other NFL teams decide they are gonna field both their teams at the same time and focus on NFL team 1 to make sure they cant score a touch down to get points.
So then NFL team one that just got hammered by 2 and 3 say thats fine we will get you when your tired.
There really is no reason for complaining either way. If ET had it out for SBI and HoD had it out for SBI guess what SBI would have been 3rd this weekend. 2 strong servers fighting 1 strong server….. its not a easy fight for the 1 server….. nor does it mean the 2 servers focusing them are better either like some seem to think lol.
I’m not mad, but I am very concerned about the game’s mechanics killing it. You should be too. There aren’t enough 3 faction PvP games to go around. If GW2 fails then where are we going to go?
This is obviously a problem that is hurting the game overall. It doesn’t matter if you understand that but it does matter that ANet sees the issue and fixes it.
Your nite crew zerg can not be matched by any other server. There aren’t enough oceanic WvW players to go around. And when most of them are all on one server then everyone knows there isn’t any point.
Sea of Sorrows and Isle of Janthir is full of Oceanic players. Maybe transfer your guild there so you can join forces. I’m sure they’d be happy to get some more NA players there.
ET owned those servers all week last week. And nobody has the same number of Oceanic WvW players as HoD. The queue time info ANet provided is not a lie.
ET owned the servers because the NA people aren’t there in the numbers. Basically NA is night capping those two servers while they’re asleep.
Point is if you want to have Oceanics there are two servers full of them. If you brought enough NA people to them you’d have a winning team. Your problem is solved. You’re welcome!
Lol, you really have no clue do you? As I said, the ANet queue numbers are not a lie. Nobody has the same WvW nite crew that HoD does, not even close.
And what really needs to happen is for HoD players to spread out, but you never thought of that did you? Nope, it’s everyone else’s fault but your own…
Your nite crew zerg can not be matched by any other server. There aren’t enough oceanic WvW players to go around. And when most of them are all on one server then everyone knows there isn’t any point.
Sea of Sorrows and Isle of Janthir is full of Oceanic players. Maybe transfer your guild there so you can join forces. I’m sure they’d be happy to get some more NA players there.
ET owned those servers all week last week. And nobody has the same number of Oceanic WvW players as HoD. The queue time info ANet provided is not a lie.
Eclipses, what did you expect? That everyone would be happy to work so hard during their playtime to only see all of their efforts be worthless because of HoD’s nite crew imbalance? Get real.
If people thought HoD was winning because of superior PvP tactics then most would just work harder at defeating you. But you are not winning because of superior skill. The players know it and you know it.
This has happened time and time again in PvP mmos. The herd masses to one side and zergs everyone else into oblivion, then the game dies. GW2 is just following the same old worn path.
No, it’s not and this is the defeatist attitude I was talking about. You know how much gold my guild sunk into objectives just to have a SBI or Fist of the Empire (ET) zerg come and wipe it out?
You know how many times we upgraded and reupgraded and supply escorted our Garrison only to realize when we woke up it traded hands throughout the night so all that hard work was lost?
Do you think we stopped logging in? Do you think we retreated to PvE? Do you think we gave up? NO. This whole nightcapping crying is nonsense. The real reason why you both are losing is sitting right in front of your faces but there’s so many excuses and worthless rationalizations coming out of your mouths that you simply cannot see it.
Seriously, I implore both servers to not give up, there is a lot of week left. Anything can happen. We’ve proved it. Twice, actually.
It’s over. Play against our doors. When friday comes around there will be new matches and the weekend will be fun. But after sunday you can bet every server you play will be doing other things.
If ANet is smart they will match SBI, JQ and ET against each other. Then we would have a long week of real matches, not this bs we have now. I hope we are never matched against HoD again, what a waste of time.
You just don’t get it. Your nite crew zerg can not be matched by any other server. There aren’t enough oceanic WvW players to go around. And when most of them are all on one server then everyone knows there isn’t any point.
Every server would be willing to work hard at playing if they thought their nite crew had a chance to hold their hard earned gains. But you know that isn’t possible given the current situation.
So as I said before, enjoy pounding on those doors. That is what you get to look forward to during the middle of the week for a long time to come until ANet fixes this mess.
Ok, I see where you are coming from. Well maybe ANet can help you out with that. I’m sure it is also in their best interests to facilitate some competitive WvW play that everyone feels they can be a successful part of.
I am also be very curious as to what ANet plans to do about this issue. I love WvW, so do most people. But nobody enjoys feeling all their efforts are wasted by an obviously flawed system.
Its prime time right now…. I guess our lack of presence during prime time means we should be getting stomped right…
HoD 390
SBI 190
ET 115
It’s not even worth it. You guys have upgraded a lot of the stuff you took during the night AND you took all 3 orbs. Did you honestly expect after creating a huge advantage during your night caps that we’d be able to come back and stomp you? If you did you’re not too bright.
Exactly. Most mmo players are pretty savvy, especially pvp players. They know pretty quickly when a game’s basic system is flawed and pointless. Most players have better things to do than to be fighting HoD’s nite cap zerg.
When the server matches reset on friday then there will be alot of action again. But after sunday night you can pretty much bet that any server’s players matched against HoD will be doing other things.
I enjoyed playing HoD over the weekend, but I hope we never match up against them again. What a pointless waste of the week. My dream match would be SBI, ET and JQ. HoD is just a waste of time. Especially since they are only winning because of a population imbalance. Nobody enjoys that.
I can predict how that match up would go.
JQ and ET would ally against SBI, SBI would hold its own but would still be far down in points. In the end SBI would end up 3’rd place after fending off constant zergs from both servers the entire week and never getting to move out.
ET obviously wouldn’t let JQ get first, but they would let them take second place. JQ would then chest thump constantly about how much better than SBI they are.
I can see it now.
You do know that ET and SBI didn’t ally against HoD right? Sure there was a target on your back but that was to be expected. But there was never an agreement between SBI and ET.
In hindsight I wish we had formed and alliance. It’s a viable strategy for the future. That might have put you too far behind to catch up even with your night cap zerg. Probably not though.
Eclipses, what did you expect? That everyone would be happy to work so hard during their playtime to only see all of their efforts be worthless because of HoD’s nite crew imbalance? Get real.
If people thought HoD was winning because of superior PvP tactics then most would just work harder at defeating you. But you are not winning because of superior skill. The players know it and you know it.
This has happened time and time again in PvP mmos. The herd masses to one side and zergs everyone else into oblivion, then the game dies. GW2 is just following the same old worn path.
It doesn’t matter why SBI and ET have so little WvW players during the night, just the fact that they do is important.
You can’t get PvE players to suddenly become PvP players, they don’t like PvP and most never will. That has always been true and always will be.
The only relevent fact is that you have the majority of off hour WvW players on one server dominating every other server because of this imbalance. Untill that is rectified then GW2’s WvW will be considered a joke.
WvW is still fun. But not against HoD, there isn’t any point to it.
So where did your primetimers go? by the logic people have been spewing out we should be getting dominated right now.
As as already been stated, there isn’t any point and the players know it. Your nite time crew will just roll over our empty maps. We have better things to do than deal with your imbalanced nite crew.
We’ll be back with the new matches this weekend. Enjoy fighting those doors.
Give it up. You win because of your nite time zerg.
I’m sure you have a decent daytime crew and they are a lot of fun to play against. But there isn’t any point in being in a match with you when your nite time zerg just rolls over our empty maps.
Imbalanced zergs always win in PvP and always destroy PvP mmo’s. It is no different in GW2.
Its prime time right now…. I guess our lack of presence during prime time means we should be getting stomped right…
HoD 390
SBI 190
ET 115
It’s not even worth it. You guys have upgraded a lot of the stuff you took during the night AND you took all 3 orbs. Did you honestly expect after creating a huge advantage during your night caps that we’d be able to come back and stomp you? If you did you’re not too bright.
Exactly. Most mmo players are pretty savvy, especially pvp players. They know pretty quickly when a game’s basic system is flawed and pointless. Most players have better things to do than to be fighting HoD’s nite cap zerg.
When the server matches reset on friday then there will be alot of action again. But after sunday night you can pretty much bet that any server’s players matched against HoD will be doing other things.
I enjoyed playing HoD over the weekend, but I hope we never match up against them again. What a pointless waste of the week. My dream match would be SBI, ET and JQ. HoD is just a waste of time. Especially since they are only winning because of a population imbalance. Nobody enjoys that.
Your running out of stuff to say buddy best to stop now. Second time you have used carebear in the past 5 minutes.
Perhaps you should stop playing with your carebears and play some WvW???
Well that’s the basic truth of the matter isn’t it? I mean why else would you sit in those humongously long queues? Especially since if you really wanted to pvp you could transfer easily to a server that has no queue.
What else is there to say? Your self imposed situation speaks for itself.
Quoting this from GW2Guru because it makes too much sense not to:
The general consensus we hear from the community and the other hardcore old school pvp guilds is a general lack of respect for HoD because they rely on their late morning / day presence to claim victory, server resets at patch time favoring HoD, and taking advantage of WvWvW bugs/glitches then bragging about how great they are. Even more laughable is by far the largest chest thumpers you see in this thread are the non NA HoD players who think they have accomplished something by running up the score during NA weekdays with little or no opposition.
Then you sprinkle in all the excuses from HoD, when getting pushed hardcore by SBI/ET over the weekend, such as, and these are direct quotes we’ve read “we are all playing borderland 2 / torchlight 2 this weekend” “a few good non TA guilds left HoD so all we have left is the militia coattail riding players”, “the WvW server reset was a hour late preventing us from queuing as a group/guild.”, " ET/SBI is ganging up on us" etc and I could go on with more excuses from HoD.
Bottom line is a lot of us who date back pre Shadowbane to UO etc laugh at what HoD has needed to do to secure wins every match. It’s like they are the Brittany Spears of GW2.
There are plenty of guilds on HoD that have been around since UO. Your arguments are invalid.
The only argument that matters is that HoD loses during primetime and wins with an unopposed nite cap crew. Those facts have formed the playerbase’s opinion of you. You could change that, but you wont’.
What really is interesting to me is how you can sit in those extremely long queues. I couldn’t stand that. I prefer to actually PvP than to be in a 7 hour queue. But to each his own.
$50 says the standings would be very very different if ALL servers fielded relatively equal numbers at all times of the day.
If the above could be true things would be very different, then it would come down to what guilds were skilled, what were not, who was organized etc… This is the goal A.Net needs to work towards, no matter what and no matter what has to be done to reach it. Until such a time that this goal is reached, which server has the better population at all times of the day will be the winning server in any given match up.
Now if we had match ups between servers with similar or same pops at all times of the day then this could be disregarded, however we currently do not have this.
Absolutely agree, once again, no one is saying late night caps do not lead to our success.
THEY ARE KEY TO IT!
This is the game, this is the strategy.
You think organizing guilds to have 24/7 coverage is not skill based? If it takes no skill then why dont you guys do it???
Stop complaining about how you don’t have anyone on at night and organize some guilds together like the Titan Alliance has done. Then perhaps you can get some crews fighting at night and dont have to waste so much time and energy crying like babies.
Lol, so sad. So you are admitting you are a no skill zerg server. Thanks for being honest.
Oh, I get it, you are one of the scrubs who joined HoD just to stroke his kitten. You never PvP at all do you? Lol, a troll and a scrub to boot.. makes sense. That is what HoD atracts.
LOL! If you took 1/2 that rage and applied it to the battlefield, you would be first in no time. Calling people mean names on the forums wont get you anywhere in WvW.
I’m on the battlefield all the time. My queues are short. Whereas you sit in a 7 hour queue and ride the coattails of your nite cap crew…
I think it is obvious what you really are and how that represents HoD. When you want to really PvP and not just talk about it then transfer to a real server.
Oh, I get it, you are one of the scrubs who joined HoD just to stroke his kitten. You never PvP at all do you? Lol, a troll and a carebear scrub to boot.. makes sense. That is what HoD attracts. You would rather sit in a 7 hour queue than actually have to face competition… sad.
When Military special forces go in behind enemy lines at night to do secret missions. Do you think the enemy wakes up the next day with all their stuff gone and say, " Hey we were all asleep that’s not fair!" “Your only allowed to fight when we are awake too!” Puppies NO! they don’t say that! and if they did the attacking force would laugh in their face like HOD is doing now.
Its called Spechul Takticz!
It’s not war, it’s a game. If your favorite NFL team was only allowed to field players for the first half and the second half the other team could score unopposed, would you think that was good tactics? Or just a lame game?
If HoD was winning because of superior tacticts that would be one thing. But their wins are mainly because of a population imbalance. That is lame and you know it.
Except no one, no where is saying you cant come fight at night.
If in the NFL they were allowed to play at night but the other team didn’t have enough players/ didn’t want to play at night but the other team could still play. That would be the rules, the other team would cry like babies saying they dont have enough guys. They would get enough guys and then fight like no tomorrow instead of just complaining that the game isnt fair.
Take off your extra tight, short, shorts. Put on some man pants.
Oh grow up and get a job. You know that isn’t possible. Even you have to get sleep sometime. But you have a night capping population zerg on your side so you don’t care if the game suffers because of it.
Face it. HoD will always be considered a scrub zerg server untill this is fixed. That might not be fair but that is what people think of you.
Of course, you could transfer and be a part of the solution, but you would never do that, would you.. You prefer your 7 hour queues so you can stroke your kitten.
… no other server comes close to matching HoDs ability
I was very impressed by SBI’s tactics this last week. I learned a lot observing you all in action. HoD showed us nothing but zerg.
Perhaps it’s because of their extremly long queue diluting the talent base, and I’m sure their primetime crew was good in the beginning. But nothing about HoD last weekend was all that impressive. They aren’t bad, don’t get me wrong. But SBI has shown a lot more tactical brilliance than HoD this last week.
When Military special forces go in behind enemy lines at night to do secret missions. Do you think the enemy wakes up the next day with all their stuff gone and say, " Hey we were all asleep that’s not fair!" “Your only allowed to fight when we are awake too!” Puppies NO! they don’t say that! and if they did the attacking force would laugh in their face like HOD is doing now.
Its called Spechul Takticz!
It’s not war, it’s a game. If your favorite NFL team was only allowed to field players for the first half and the second half the other team could score unopposed, would you think that was good tactics? Or just a lame game?
If HoD was winning because of superior tacticts that would be one thing. But their wins are mainly because of a population imbalance. That is lame and you know it.
No one from HOD is saying the night capping doesn’t lead to our success. It is absolutely key to our success.
We are saying stop FKing crying about us playing 24/7 in a 24/7 battle…
A 24/7 battle where only one server has full occupancy at all hours and the rest are ghost towns at off hours.
Obviously the system is broken. You don’t want to admit it, but if it isn’t fixed then we will all lose and GW2 will be just another forgotten and failed PvP mmo in the dustbin of shame.
im not belittling the efforts of SBI (which incidentally is my fave and most respected server besides my own) but if it wasnt for that double focus we wont have been behind by 30k right at the get go. losing maybe, but not by an astonishing 30k. our unbeaten record speaks for itself.
you must have either just started wvw this week if you think HoD is a pushover.
Your unbeaten record is only because of your off time crew. No server can compete with that because there aren’t enough Oceanics to go around. When ANet fixes that issue then you will lose on a very regular basis, just like you did last weekend.
You aren’t that good. You’re not bad at all, but SBI, ET and JQ are just as good or better. They just don’t have the night time crew to compete, nobody does.
So until the day ANet fixes the obvious off hour zerg issue, we’ll just go by the numbers that matter. Primetime when HoD sucks carpet.
He is from SBI and is honorable enough to voice his displeasure at this despicable act.
We not saying all of SBI is doing this, but a few rotten apples are! I am sure u are not one of these individuals, but do u need to defend them?
A couple people in certain guilds doing things that you don’t agree with? Lol, colour me suprised.
They are a minority and don’t represent the actions of the vast majority of players on all sides.
And also there is nothing despicable about teaming up. It is part of the game and I for one would love to participate in that. It just didn’t happen this time (except in small meaningless situations that had no overall effect on the outcome of this weekend).
An alliance is going to happen though. The devs designed the game for it. And when it does then whichever server is on the recieving end is going to know the real effect of what that means… complete lockdown in their spawn with no way out.
Another way to look at this is also even if the other servers have asian guild to cover the so called off-peak hours of the US players. HOD will still be top dog, cuz the lack of coordination and focus of these other asian guild will still be steamrolled by the aussie guilds from HOD.
GW2 is also played by people from asia and south east asia too. The world doesnt really consists of US and down-under.
That’s wonderful, everyone should be able to play, really. But the Oceanic playerbase is very small. So when most of them are on only one server that server is going to have a very large insurmountable advantage.
Again, for the uninformed, go look at ANet’s own numbers regarding queues during peak and off peak hours. It is very enlightening.
ET at some periords of the day has absoulutely zero presence in some WvW maps. Nobody there. I’ve logged in in the early mornings before work and our WvW player count is very, very low. Zero queue times on all maps right up until prime time. Even after prime time a couple of the maps are still instant access except during the weekends.
And we can’t recruit enough Oceanics to compete during their hours because there aren’t enough to go around.
The solution is to spread the playerbase out a bit more evenly. The problem is getting people to do that on their own, when most of them have the herd instincts of brainless cattle.
Just stop comparing this to actual war. It has been covered a 100 times all the numerous items and strategies missing that real war has to prevent or mitigate this exact problem.
And it’s not a war, it’s a game. Football is sometimes called a war, but it too is a game. And nobody would play that game if one side could score touchdowns while the other team was asleep.
Tri-way battles always mean the strong will be picked upon by the two weaker servers. Perfectly valid and encouraged strategy, especially to recover the orbs.
i know. im not complaining about it. im just reiterating that it happened.
Again, it didn’t happen. You want to believe it but it isn’t so. And if it did I would admit it. I have no problem teaming up against HoD or any other server for that matter.
let me put it into my perspective for you.
on the first day of the matchup, after waiting 7hrs in queue.
have you ever had your keep bombarded on both sides by 3-4 trebs each, to the point your keep slightly resembles stonehenge?
have you ever tried swimming out the deadlock only to be camped by 60 players on either side?
have you have ever been chased by a group of 50 players only to run into another 40 from another faction where they wipe you and proceeded back to where they came from?
im not saying you arent fighting each other, but when both factions direct a majority of their forces onto a 3rd, its not gonna be easy.
Ick, a 7 hour queue. Is it worth it? Never have had queue longer that an hour and usually it’s 10 minutes or less.
We were defending a supply camp from the HoD zerg the other night a huge SBI force ran right by and ignored us. I swear SBI must have an alliance with HoD, why else would they not attack? hmmmm?.
Those situations happen all the time in WvW. Who knows what SBI’s objective was or the players in your situation? Only they do, but obviously they had another goal in mind.
There have been many times my group has ignored HoD and SBI just because we were in a hurry to take an objective or get somewhere else. It happens. Your conspiracy theories are bunk.
But eventually there will be a truce / alliance of some sort. Probably not between SBI and ET, but when it happens the team on the recieving end is going to be PvE’ing a lot while the rest stare helplessly out from their spawn.
With regards to double teaming, I would agree if the intention is to stop the dominant server from winning. But to help another server achieve a leading position with total disregard of their own position of achieving number 1. That to me is a blatant violation of the competitive spirit of WvWvW. Every server should play to win, but playing to be second and promoting another to be first is really despicable.
Even more so if a guild have sub guilds in other servers just so that they could coordinate attacks on one guild. I really hope that SB guilds doesnt plant subguilds into ET or other matchup servers for the sole purpose of achieving number 1.
Lol, the conspiracy theories you HoD folks throw around are hilarious. I wish we had formed an alliance with SBI, we should have and then kept you at your spawn all weekend. Maybe we will next time. But last weekend was just your standard wvw match. Everyone fought everyone and HoD lost. Sure some people have it in for HoD, but that didn’t stop any of us from attacking SBI. But reality doesn’t filter through that tin foil hat of yours does it?
You do have a great off hour zerg killing uncontested objectives to cover for your low skill prime time play. So good for you. You need something to brag about during your 5 hour queues.
do you not have any map presence at all?
ruin already has openly admitted dedicating their huge player base on keeping HoD
locked down. SBI too has admitted that they jumped on the opportunity as well.
And yet RUIN and SBI fought each other every chance they got. I was there with them trying to survive and win. (Also, RUIN is just a small part of ET. They do not rule or represent the server).
Of course HoD is the gorilla with a target, but that didn’t stop any SBI from attacking ET or visa versa.
I know you don’t want to admit it but you just aren’t that good. HoD isn’t bad, not by a long shot. But you lost during the weekend, and not because of some made up alliance that never existed, but because you got out played. Your only claim to fame is your off hour zerg that takes undefended objectives. Without them you are just a medium tier server. Those are the facts jack.
With regards to double teaming, I would agree if the intention is to stop the dominant server from winning. But to help another server achieve a leading position with total disregard of their own position of achieving number 1. That to me is a blatant violation of the competitive spirit of WvWvW. Every server should play to win, but playing to be second and promoting another to be first is really despicable.
Even more so if a guild have sub guilds in other servers just so that they could coordinate attacks on one guild. I really hope that SB guilds doesnt plant subguilds into ET or other matchup servers for the sole purpose of achieving number 1.
Lol, the conspiracy theories you HoD folks throw around are hilarious. I wish we had formed an alliance with SBI, we should have and then kept you at your spawn all weekend. Maybe we will next time. But last weekend was just your standard wvw match. Everyone fought everyone and HoD lost. Sure some people have it in for HoD, but that didn’t stop any of us from attacking SBI. But reality doesn’t filter through that tin foil hat of yours does it?
You do have a great off hour zerg killing uncontested objectives to cover for your low skill prime time play. So good for you. You need something to brag about during your 5 hour queues.
You can have a lot of fun at lower levels in WvW. I play my low level alts in WvW and it is a blast, even though I have no idea how to play those classes yet.
The main thing with WvW isn’t the level but getting use to the maps and tactics. Once you do that then you will realize that level isn’t as important as you think now.
Even at level 80, WvW can be rough untill you get use to it. The main thing is to not be alone. Follow a small group or form one. Join a zerg doing major objectives, defend important supply camps, etc. Read the chat. Eventually you will figure out who to listen to and who to ignore.
informed about how were not even into the 2nd week yet you guys are playing the blame game with fictional night crews that mysteriously appear from some far away country to foil you and your prime time efforts?
Please continue.
You are funny. Are you trying to troll or are you really that ignorant of the facts? Again, go check ANet’s WvW queue and player particiapation numbers. They show the issue as plain as day for all to see. Even the Devs have admitted it is out of whack.
Since you don’t think that is a problen then you won’t mind when nobody plays WvW in a few short weeks.
It shows what they have so far from a tiny sample or almost 2 one week matches and some day matches.
It wont be nobody, it will be 20-30% of what we have now, the majority of players will quit for a myriad of reasons.
uninformed opinions on class balance
night time players ruining the game
lack of pve gear grinds allowing you to bypass playing ability
etc..
Nothing ANET does will ever please these people since they dont even have fun playing the game in the first place, they are looking for a second job.
So don’t do anything to improve the game or retain the playerbase. Just let GW2 die a slow painful death. Got it. Thanks for letting us know your opinion of how things should be.
I think that Ascii’s idea for % of points based on population is a good one. I thought of the same thing. Also, if the issue IS NOT population (as other HoD posters try to claim), then this wouldn’t affect anything, would it?
If something isn’t done soon, then people will give up on WvW altogether. Frankly, I’m already tired of playing Henge, but I don’t think there is any other server that can really challenge us (SBI). It’s maddening when we have people who feel they have to stay awake 24+ hours just to have any sort of chance to counter their massive population.
I think most people are tired of HoD’s off hour population zerg. But since they have one they should be rewarded. Let HoD play a couple of low tier servers while SBI, ET and JQ set up against each other. HoD has worked so hard, they need a vacation. Playing a couple of low tier servers is just what they deserve. Oh and as a bonus, don’t let any HoD transfer to SBI, ET or JQ.
informed about how were not even into the 2nd week yet you guys are playing the blame game with fictional night crews that mysteriously appear from some far away country to foil you and your prime time efforts?
Please continue.
You are funny. Are you trying to troll or are you really that ignorant of the facts? Again, go check ANet’s WvW queue and player particiapation numbers. They show the issue as plain as day for all to see. Even the Devs have admitted it is out of whack.
Since you don’t think that is a problen then you won’t mind when nobody plays WvW in a few short weeks.
So we will be forced to play with even less people because other servers have less people on? What a rediculous suggestion.
Oh you guys are winning at peak time? Well lets just log off to 5 people left in eternal so you can have 195 people get kicked out.
Better yet the only way this will increase past 5 is if you either leave your guild for another server will obvious population issues so you can queue up to WvW or break up your guild to move to another server, have fun trying to orgnaize this.
You do either one of those options or give up on doing WvW with your current server because I’m sleeping so you shouldnt be allowed to play.
What a joke.
Well, what do you suggest? Do you honestly believe the situation as it stands now is good for the long term health of the game? Having one server win every match because of off peak players only, is your version of winning?
Do you not see how the majority of the player base will consider that to be cheap and a joke?
Come on. Be serious. There is obviously a problem. Offer solutions that you think will really work. Telling other servers to recruit more Oceanics isn’t a solution because there aren’t that many to go around.
How bout we wait 3 entire weeks so ANET can begin to gauge population and active trends.
There is no problem, game runs 24/7 and lots of people play while you are sleeping, get yours organized or you will be in trouble.
Lol, you didn’t bother looking at ANet’s own player participation numbers did you? Get back to me when you are informed.
So we will be forced to play with even less people because other servers have less people on? What a rediculous suggestion.
Oh you guys are winning at peak time? Well lets just log off to 5 people left in eternal so you can have 195 people get kicked out.
Better yet the only way this will increase past 5 is if you either leave your guild for another server will obvious population issues so you can queue up to WvW or break up your guild to move to another server, have fun trying to orgnaize this.
You do either one of those options or give up on doing WvW with your current server because I’m sleeping so you shouldnt be allowed to play.
What a joke.
Well, what do you suggest? Do you honestly believe the situation as it stands now is good for the long term health of the game? Having one server win every match because of off peak players only, is your version of winning?
Do you not see how the majority of the player base will consider that to be cheap and a joke?
Come on. Be serious. There is obviously a problem. Offer solutions that you think will really work. Telling other servers to recruit more Oceanics isn’t a solution because there aren’t that many to go around.
So whats your proposal to change WvWvW that doesnt involve marginalizing my efforts while you are (sleeping/working/whatever) or forces me to look for some european server because I work different hours than you do?
It doesnt matter what ANET wants, the majority of current WvW players will quit once they cant stomp ungeared lowbies due to superior gear, once the majority of players are 80 with the same gear these players will leave in droves after they start losing.
Lowering the player caps in WvW during off peak hours would help. It would hurt HoD because they already have queues 24/7 but in the long run it would encourage some off peak players to transfer and help the other servers even out the population.
The ultimate goal should be to have equal participation amongst the servers. That is very hard to do, but ANet could be doing a much better job of it than they are now.
A gold medal in the Olympics means a lot when your the only country to show up right?
Bads trollin all day while getting beat when people show up… so funny.
Now you’re just trolling. Add something to the argument or leave the discussion.
The first thing I want to say is: HoD being 3rd place during the weekend is no more proof of skill than HoD being 1st place by the end of the week. They had a BRUTAL fight in store for them this weekend, and they will have another BRUTAL fight in store next weekend.
If anything, the top 4 servers are basically the same with level of organization and strategy.
WvW as it stands is primarily about numbers. You can’t see half (or sometimes the majority) of enemies when you run into them anyways. It’s about who has more AoE and more bodies to absorb AoE. There is some skill involved, but that is significantly diminished with server lag and rendering issues. That being said, WvW is about numbers ALL of the time, not just weekends or prime time. TA intentionally includes European and Oceanic guilds for 24/7 coverage. There is nothing stopping any other server from doing the same. If you know the rules of the game ahead of time and you plan ahead to maximize your potential within that rule set, I believe it’s called strategy.
Also when looking at WvW being a numbers game WITH a cap on each side (on each map), it is easy to see that any server that is the target of two servers should lose by design, assuming all servers have all WvW slots filled. If each server can have X players and server B and server C both attack server A from different directions, server A must defend at each location with roughly X/2 players while server B and server C can attack at each location with roughly the full X number of players. It’s pretty basic math. It’s only “even” when each server is pushing in two directions with around X/2 players. Yes, I am aware this oversimplifies things, as there are players that defend objectives and small groups that cap objectives in enemy territory, but it conveys the idea adequately.
But there IS something standing in the way… you see, all oceanic players currently have a server to play on. This isn’t 3 months prior to release. Yes, you guys were so forward thinking and amazing that you saw it coming and prepared and yadda yadda – GREAT! And guess what, you’ve won every single match since release (I guess). Awesome payoff for that foresight.
And now, unless something is done to balance out the servers somehow (I am not in favor of mechanics or systemic changes), W3 as an entire game mode will suffer and may even sputter out and fail in the near future.
Winning is cool. Winning all the time is cool, I guess. Winning forever because you are the only server with anyone left willing to even play the game is… cool?
if we win this matchup, it would really be much more of an incentive for us TA to transfer, just saying.
That’s the theory but in practice it hasn’t worked has it..
@Fury, Grim West.
I wont bother to go around and collect things said by people on SBI and ET in reference to the fact that it was a gangup, frankly I dont care. We on HoD were having a blast getting double teamed. Also you were spawn camping us in EB friday night. ET was at our spawn while SBI was sieging lowlands. Convince yourselves that SBI and ET are omg so leet because you were winning this weekend. I never even stated HoD was better or it was anything but even, you two feel the need to toot your own horns because at the end of the week when winners are tallied… It wont be either of you. GG thanks for playing.
We were just responding to your nonsense about collusion. Really, if there was an alliance you would be stuck in your spawn during prime time.
HoD got stomped while everyone was online over the weekend. Now that the adults are back to working they are making points back. Sounds like you have a lot of children/nighttime crew or jobless people on HoD. Friday – Sunday is the real match everything else is just for the teenagers and jobless to catch up. Either way not really something to be proud of. Considering that WvW is not a show of skill and individually most players are terrible.
Right and the collusion vs. HoD also didnt factor into it right?
Take you trolling somewhere else.
There was no collusion, HoD is the big gorrila, but nobody got together and agreed to ally against you. You just lost during the weekend because your primetime crew isn’t that good. You depend on winning with your off peak alliance when nobody is around to contest you.
I fought just as many SBI as HoD last weekend, that was true for everyone. If there were an alliance, then HoD would not be able to leave their spawn during primetime.
Perhaps ET and SBI should form a temporary alliance just to show you what that really means, but it doesn’t exist at this point and never did.
