Yep, it’s my all my friends who are at fault for not playing checkers with me. Why can’t they see what a killer game it is? Morons. I told them that the Playstation is just a fad but they are too stupid to see it.
ok.
Blade and soul actually hit top twitch viewer # as mmorpg, as attached photo shows.
This means pretty much american people actually like japanese anime looking style, becuz only reason to play such game is to see their female char and if you watch twitch streamer who are american and non-asian, they actually do play female characters a lotttt regardless of the streamer is male or female.
But when compare this trend to tera, tera has absolutely no viewers, they also has like japanese anime-looking character, called Elins. But still tera isn’t popular game in NA, probly due to elins look childish.
This means,
American people like Asian art style only when only Those two factors, Japanese anime style looking is combined with the another factor, mature (like, huge chest size and hip size). That is why tera isn’t popular i guess.What do you think? Do you like combined art style of japanese anime-looking and mature factors when it comes to play such foreign mmo?
You have jumped to the wrong conclusions, just like ANET does.
It’s on top because it’s new and shiney, hasn’t been a new mmo out in a while. Plus the combat is fun. BnS probably won’t stay up there over time though.
ANET doesn’t like WvW, they don’t have the talent to make it work. So they are making all zones PvE.
ANET killed WvW with their incompetence and arrogance. There are a few stragglers left in WvW, trying to make it work, but it’s a hopeless cause.
ANET will never do what is necessary to make WvW work, or even return it to it’s old state where it was passable. They aren’t even a good gaming company any more. The real talent is gone. and their “manifesto” is a lie.
They don’t deserve our support or respect.
WvW is dead and it ain’t coming back. The devs are just milking what few saps are left trying to get them to buy gold for their craptastic guild hall system.
ANET’s run as a good gaming company is over. The real talent left a long time ago.
Hot is garbage.
The gliding is very cool, that’s about it.
Personally I think the destruction of WvW is the true problem. WvW players like myself did every part of the game but our focus was always on WvW, even if our playtime “metrics” didn’t show it. Then HoT came out and obliterated WvW and our reason for playing. So the WvW community as a whole flipped ANET the bird and left.
ANET deserves their misery. Apologize and grovel to all the WvW players you took for granted and stepped upon. And take your guild system and shove it.
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Disgusting on ANET’s part, Really, really cheesy BS. But that is what ANET is all about these days. Common sense and decency left their building long ago.
Because the devs are clueless about RvR. They are pve players.
They are PvE players who read metrics that said WvW players spend a lot of time in PvE. So we must LOVE pve right? Clueless twits, we PvE’d because we had to. But now with all the guild hall changes and other PvE crap required, it is too much. And all the other moronic changes to WvW didn’t help either. So most of the WvW players told ANET to stick it where… you know.
PvE should be an option, it shouldn’t be forced on us. The devs can’t see that though.
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The devs don’t have the courage to admit that they screwed up… and they screwed up royally.
My guess is it’s all being driven by the people running things, their ego’s can’t admit that their decisions are responsible for this fiasco. So they take it out on the peons.
It is sad, because GW2’s tech and art are top tier. It is their lead designers and management that are totally incompetent.
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WvW big overhaul later this year will be too late…:(
If they released the overhaul on Jan 26 that would have already been too late. This overhaul being released “later this year” is gonna be money spent for nothing ’cause WvW is already dead.
You don’t know that. People can always come back.
Only in the movies. WvW is dead and every day just puts more dirt on the grave.
FF14 flopped pretty poorly and a lot of people left. It got revamped and how well is it doing now? Maybe you will not do something after you’ve decided to quit on it but you do not speak for everyone else. Some people may not play the revamped WvW who have quit but I can assure you that there will be those who have come back.
Actually, I hope you are right. But the reality is that WvW has almost zero chance of recovery. Mainly because the devs haven’t shown any semblance of competence up to now with regards to WvW. There is absolutely no reason to believe that has changed.
WvW big overhaul later this year will be too late…:(
If they released the overhaul on Jan 26 that would have already been too late. This overhaul being released “later this year” is gonna be money spent for nothing ’cause WvW is already dead.
You don’t know that. People can always come back.
Only in the movies. WvW is dead and every day just puts more dirt on the grave.
WvW fixes 4 years after the fact…. talk about too little and WAY too late.
How about you at least restore what we had before HoT until your supposed revamp comes on line (sometime this century we hope)? The current state of WvW is embarrassing because of HoT’s massive failure and incompetent design decisions.
Do something now to stop the hemorrhaging, even if it is only temporary.
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Lol, are you seriously trying to convince us that the devs give equal time to WvW? In communication OR actual design? Hah, good one.
Wait for the revamp. Which will happen sometime in the next thousand years. I know, too trusting of me.
HoT destroyed WvW and it is very doubtful that the devs will be able to fix it. Fixing requires some sort of competence in the game mode you are working on. But all the anet devs care about is PvE grinding and crappy Esports. WvW is beyong their abilities, as the current situation has proven so clearly.
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When they rarely mention WvW, it is the same old BS they have been saying for years. Nothing has come of it except disaster for WvW. It’s all hot air at this point. Trusting them is a losing proposition, they don’t have the talent or will to do right by WvW.
Esports and more craptastic pve grinds are all they care about. They talk about them incessantly and release patches whenever something drastic is needed.
But WvW is DEAD because of their idiotic decisions, and they have done NOTHING to fix it. Pathetic.
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This is a really nice thread. Thank you for the positive thoughts!
Pfft. If you can find a WvW player still around and have the courage to listen to them, you would get a totally different answer.
Being ignored and stepped upon for 3 years engenders such happy thoughts.
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And of course no mention of WvW in spite of the fact that the whole game mode was destroyed by their incompetence.
They are so tied to their “metrics” that they have forgotten what fun is. Pathetic.
I am amazed at how far the GW2 devs have come. From top of the world so bottom of the barrel in less than a year. Good Job!
Why does every game mode besides WvW gets preferential treatment from Anet:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Upcoming-Changes-for-PvP-League-Season-2
Because the devs are too obtuse to see that they destroyed the only truly interesting mode of this game. Spvp and Pve games are a dime a dozen and GW2 is not even close to being the best of them.
Realm vs Realm games are tough to make, but if you get it right there is a gold mine there. Unfortunately, ANET doesn’t have that kind of talent anymore.
Don’t have a problem with them working on another expansion. The free stuff early on was really cool, but to be honest there was so much of it that it became a bit overwhelming to keep up with.
HoT was way too little for the price though. And really, really poorly designed. The gliding is cool, but only one map uses it effectively (hint: need more gliding maps). But the rest of HoT is garbage, especially in the way it disenfranchised whole segments of the population – WvW players. small guilds, dungeon runners, etc, etc.
HoT being a failure, the next expansion better be a home run. That might be too late though.
Edit: And no matter what they do, I will not buy anything from GW2 again until it’s been out a bit and the people say it’s cool. HoT was the last straw. They lost our trust.
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WvW is dead and it isn’t coming back. By the time the ANET devs release the WvW revamp we’ll all be in a retirement home playing checkers.
They had a chance to make WvW something great, but they failed in every way possible. And now that chance has past. It’s too late now for them to fix their pathetic garbage and frankly they don’t have the talent to do it even if they cared.
The current ANET group of devs isn’t capable of anything better than HoT. And HoT is garbage. The craptastic new guild system is the height of their abilities. Think about it, they actually think that is good design.
WvW is dead because of incompetence.
The new maps should be converted to the fifth HoT zone with full gliding and all PvE.
They don’t belong in WvW.
The Devs have gone out of their way to destroy WvW. They don’t like the mode, don’t play it and are totally clueless about how to fix it.
So they have made sure that everybody who ever played WvW has had all of their hard work stolen and trivialized. Look at all the work they screwed us on for guild halls, what s crock.
Basically the Devs told all of us to “PLAY PVE OR GTFO”.
They can all go to the depths of hell as far as I’m concerned. I don’t really care what they do at this point, they will never have my respect again.
When Anet gave WvW vets, a chance to test out HoT’s new WvW maps, why didnt you all bring attention to the problems when it was in testing period?
We did.
Anet didn’t care, they were bent on making WvW ETOM v.2 and not listen to any players – not one of us.
This.
The devs are like most politicians, they mouth the words that they are listening but in reality they have on full blinders and ear plugs.
The only thing the devs listen to is their egos.
WvW players have been telling the devs for years that their “improvements” are garbage. And you can bet that their new WvW revamp will be nothing we asked for and most probably just more craptastic PvE.
Crowfall and / or Camelot Unchained are the only hope for Realm vs Realm gaming at this point. ANET has proven over and over that they don’t have a clue.
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Thanks for the update. Really, really…….. loooooooooooooooooooooooong over due.
Many of us wouldn’t be such raging jerks (myself included) to you and the rest of the devs if you had bothered to communicate earlier.
WvW is why my guild came to this game (from DAoC, WarHammer, Aion, etc). And ANET’s total lack of commitment or understanding about WvW is why 99.9 percent of my guild left long before HoT. HoT’s bumbling idiocy didn’t bring any of them back.
The changes you propose are a good start. But it is probably too little, too late.
Don’t bother.
Anet will be selling the shoulders on the AH for next to nothing after everyone has spent their last gold on getting the achievement.
I dare them to deny it.
ArenaNet will be selling the shoulders for a couple of gems in a very short time.
Oh my! Where did you learn this information???
(P.S., I… kinda figured Anet didn’t give a crap but… it was still worth a try, right?)
That is what they always do. And you can bet they will never deny it. I stopped caring about GW2’s cool “UNIQUE” items a long time ago. They don’t exist, because ANET always intends to sell them on the AH after they fleece the people buying tons of mats.
Don’t bother.
ArenaNet will be selling the shoulders for next to nothing on the AH very soon. All of your work and grinding for this cool and “UNIQUE” item will be wasted by a kid with daddy’s credit card.
ANET at it’s best left the gaming community years ago. All that is left are hacks and greed.
ArenaNet will be selling the shoulders for a couple of gems in a very short time. They don’t care about your efforts and will gladly throw everything you have done out the window for a couple of pennies.
ANET is the cheesiest game company around atm. You can thank Mr O’Brien.
There’s also that one bug in the achievements tab requiring people to finish 3 insanely hard jp’s as a part of winters presence. Can we fix this? :P like c’mon im already 400g off from making it thats hard enough </3
Just wait a couple of months and ArenaNet will be selling the shoulders for nothing on the AH.
Your efforts mean nothing to ANET.
Don’t bother, ANET will be selling the shoulders in a couple of months on the AH for next to nothing.
All of your efforts will be wasted, that is the ArenaNet motto.
Excellent post Naithe. If ArenaNet actually listened to players / commanders like you then we wouldn’t be in this situation.
I agree. My only addition would be that changing the map is probably more labor intensive than going back to Alpine. Alpine wasn’t a favorite of mine but it is a superior WvW map even if the Deserted map is changed.
Wow, I think I agree with this… back to the same old map. Now we have 2 huge very labor intensive WvW assets that are not going to be used in WvW… Personally, I think Anet is lost. Apparently Mike O’Brien has his fingers in EVERYTHING and no one is given enough responsibility to take concepts from idea to finished product without O’Brien and upper management constantly changing their minds, the goals, and the concept. When you start to realize this, you realize that HoT is a hot mess. The new map is just a complete mishmash of ideas completely unplaytested… Like turtlebanner, seriously? It’s not out there much yet because Grind Halls, but it’s coming and it’s absurdly OP. Or how bout that Air keep boss with the air jets and the red donut and and and… So many gimmicks, so little focus on actual gameplay… Honestly, there is no need to wait for the “Major WvW overhaul” just look at EtoM and how closely it resembles the new BL in terms of schlock and gimmickry, then look at the mess that is the HoT PvE content, Grinding, time gates, missing critical items or broken maps (ie Tedious Depths), even their precious Esports… This game has completely lost any focus it once had.
And now we realize why HoT killed WvW… Mike O’Brien.
Although none of us truly know if Mr O’Brien is literally the destroyer of everything WvW, it doesn’t matter, he is the leader and therefore will always responsible for the massive failure that is HoT and WvW.
If Mr O’Brien is truly as culpable as it seems then perhaps he should retire. We don’t need any more clueless devs lost in yesterday ruining perfectly good games.
If nothing else, maybe he should actually play the game he is so set on killing.
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pfft. that isn’t info, and it’s very old news. It’s also the same BS they have been saying for a long time and nothing has come from it except a dead game mode.
My point still stands and is more valid than ever.
Point is Colin post that info on reddit and not GW2 official forum. Do not derail this thread about argue WvW stuff. Thread is for post what Anet post on reddit and not here on Anet official forum.
Point taken, and I’ll leave the thread. I do like what this thread is about. My point still stands though and is more true than you realize.
pfft. that isn’t info, and it’s very old news. It’s also the same BS they have been saying for a long time and nothing has come from it except a dead game mode.
My point still stands and is more valid than ever.
Wait for the WvW revamp. It is the only hope for WvW at this point.
Don’t get your hopes up though, the devs have never shown anything resembling a clue when it comes to WvW. It is most probable that WvW is dead forever.
For WvW players… HoT = NGE
Nothing on WvW. No apologies from them for destroying WvW. No acknowledgment from them that everything they have done up to this point has been detrimental to WvW. All they care about is their craptastic PvE and selling useless items on the AH.
If they had any honor they would communicate, but instead they only hide. And to think I use to admire ANET.
Shush, stop making sense.
Making sense is not PC. HoT = NGE
It will be interesting to see if the Devs get a clue and make WvW a stand alone option that doesn’t require (or favor) PvE or SPvP, has roaming, small group guild content and large fights over meaningful objectives.. Obviously that’s what the players want.
But the devs have shown and incredible lack of foresight and too much willful blindness up to this point. So I have serious doubts they can get over their egos and admit that they have failed WvW in every way possible. It’s like they all took classes in incompetence and then decided to get doctorates to boot.
I sincerely hope the devs finally have figured it out and the WvW revamp is the RvRvR experience so many of us have been hoping for since… well forever. But the disaster that is HoT tells me that WvW is dead, and it isn’t coming back. Any dev that honestly thought that HoT’s design decisions were positive is in the wrong industry.
Hopefully Camelot Unchained or Crowfall will deliver.
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Farming mats is the easiest way. Not the fastest, and a bit of a chore but it works.
Farming Silverwaste’s events/chests use to be ok. But I haven’t done that since before HoT. From what I’ve read it still is good though.
Playing the AH works and is potentially more lucrative, but you have to understand the market. That takes a bunch of study time.
Grind Wars 2 is the most descriptive.
This
DX12 would take a lot of resources (money) to be implemented into GW’s ancient tech.
Since HoT was a failure, there isn’t any money. Buy more gems and maybe they will get to DX12 after hell freezes over.
GW2 is dead. GrindWars2 is the new game. If you don’t like it, GTFO.
The next announcement:
ANET: “WvW has been permanently disabled. We don’t know what it is, don’t play it and are not competent enough to fix it. Besides, we want you playing our crappy pve 24/7.”
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Don’t bother. WvW was basically destroyed by HoT.
The Devs claim they are working on a major WvW revamp, but considering it’s overdue by about 3 years I wouldn’t put much stock into their statements. Most people who played WvW left the game. The few left are mainly in the higher tiers, making the most of a very bad situation.
I doubt the WvW “revamp” will be very good. The ANET devs have never shown any proficiency in WvW design. They don’t play it, they don’t understand it and they think that we all should be playing their idiotic PvE anyways.
The base game is very good and worth the money you spent.
The endgame is good or bad depending on what you like.
Scribing represents HoT and all of it’s idiotic design decisions. GrindWars 2 has taken over what use to be an enjoyable game.
HoT is garbage.
I will tell you why you see such a big difference, but as for the reason Anet has decided to punish WvW, well, they need to answer that question.
Here is one example. Our guild used to be able to use easy-to-get influence to make a buff that allowed us to claim something, a fort, tower, or camp. Now, we have to have a Scribe that for some ungodly reason needs to craft different qualities of “Paper” to open up most of what is available at any guild’s “War Room”. To make the first 3 (three) upgrades takes a low level scribe (thank God), AND 4,500 green logs…. yes…. 4,500!!!
Now, to level your scribe to the next “paper” quality (paper? really????) will cost your guild (or the poor sucker that takes on the scribe “craft” (“Craft” is in quotes because it is NOT a real craft – it is a pure RIP OFF)) about 500-1000 gold… No, I am NOT kidding. And that is to JUST get your guild’s scribe from level 50 to level 75!!!!!!
Now, please refer to the title of this post, “Why punish WvW…” So, this is why I see this as a punishment…
First, NO OTHER Guild “UPGRADE” consistently Needs a scribe… ONLY WvW – again – Why?
Second, NO OTHER Guild UPGRADE (Other then MAJOR restorations, or the Mine) needs anywhere NEAR as much material as EACH freaking WvW upgrade.
Third (and this is a looooong time problem with wvw, not just a HoT issue), the rewards for playing WvW absolutely stink. They are purely pathetic compared to ANY other aspect of GW2. Period. PVE Boss Trains drop tons of loot, Map-events drop tons of loot, and PVP is like the GW2 sweetheart. Good-grief, they even reward PVP’s with real Cash Rewards!! Up to $250k!!!!
Lastly, don’t even get me started about the costs of EACH Guild Banner (WvW or not!) (For example, 38 GOLD (not silver) to make ONE Guild Gathering Banner, or the 100 gold (not 100 silver – which would be reasonable) it takes for ONE Hero Banner!!!)
Now, to be perfectly honest, I LOVE the design changes, all of them. I love being able to get a buff that allows me to jump off of ANY cliff, and not die, love the new champs, love how one must think in order to to attack and/or defend places…
So that really gets me wondering… Anet, why would you sink all that design money into revamping Boarderlands, and then KILL WvW with all this scribing crap? Even if u just plain want to soak all the people who love (or used to love) WvW, why not just make them turn in the material that is needed and LEAVE the Guild Scribe OUT OF IT!!!!!!
+1
If I could force the devs to read this repeatedly until their eyes bleed (literally), I would.
ANET has neglected and shafted WvW players for years. They have no clue what WvW players want but somehow have this misguided idea that the tons of hours we spend in PvE are because we like it.
Manditory PvE was tolerable before because there wasn’t much of it and usually there was some choice involved. But after HoT, PvE has become a craptastic grind forced upon us whether we like it or not. Don’t ask for sympathy from the PvE players, they are just as clueless as ANET is.
HoT was a huge slap in the face to WvW players. Predictable considering ANET’s misguided mindset. I’m not sure how the devs talked themselves into this nonsense, but I hope HoT was enough of a disaster to slap the devs back into reality.
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