Guild Wars 2

Rednik.3809:

JaredKincade.9761:

Call BG stacked all you want. But full server status has nothing to do with it. You should be happy, now we can’t “buy” more guilds lol.

Let’s assume that 10% of population playing WvW, and set population planks at Very High = 25000+, Full = 35000+ (we got 3kk GW2 sold and anet set server status by number accounts per server, not by online). So it’s 2500 vs 3500 already. If server winning, ppl come to WvW even more, everyone want some loot/achievements etc. So 5%, 2500 vs 5250, hello 400 ppt, hello full map blobs vs outmanned.

I’m a guildleader of a small skirmish guild. We’re always outmanned, every single day. It really doesn’t stop us from going out and having fun.

Blackgate has been in that situation quite a few times where we were heavily outmanned but the server never gave up. Me and community don’t always get along or share the same opinions but at least I know that the majority of my server just won’t stop fighting.

Saying that, we bumped into an [Iron] group yesterday with our little 4 man group while streaming. Your charr commander attempted to fight us twice with his group but left the borderland when he couldn’t get the result that he wanted. That has nothing to do with a server population…

A sore loser and a bad winner, this thread is $@&;ing awesome…

Testicular fortitude

CRO.7658:

Bovinity.8610:

No one in Tier 1 actually wants to fight unless they have 80 people backing them up, that’s what makes it frustrating sometimes. SoR/BG players almost always run from me rather than engage 1v1. Even 2v1 against me, people will often just run away.

Im one of those people that usually runs away from fights.

There are two simple reasons for this:

1. I scout for my team, there is no point being dead and losing eyes on bay/hills/garri.

2. Im not specced for 1v1 fights and small skirmishes.

Why should i have to conform to your playstyle and engage in fights when i prefer carrying information and doing something for my team. We all have different interests in the game and dueling is not the only part of the game thats enjoyable.

…. !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Then what are you specced for? Just running?

0_o

PredatoR.5247:

what does everyone think of [Agg]s new video introduction?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjQZf5k1nGY&feature=youtu.be

It reeks of Blackgate

“I like long walks on the beach, Piña coladas & getting caught in the rain.”

I don’t think you can really answer a question like this

Each server will have skirmish groups with different play-styles which are also effected by the tier they are in, the amount of people they can handle and how their Meta game is actually played. Some groups are specialized in a more defensive approach, some in a more guerrilla play-style, some love the high action from the higher tiers and some focus more on objectives.

The only thing I’m sure we’d all agree on is that we’d love to see more people attempting to roam with smaller groups : )

We’re all pretty stacked… I would love to see more guilds move to tier 2-3 servers, so we can stop this blobbing around and make all the server enjoyable to fight against -_-

Mindtrick.5190:

Anyone want some ice cold water. Looks dry as a dessert in huuuuur

Edit: well well veretta it seems we have the same timing

haha… Hey man

o_0

What’s this?

Did I read something about a skirmish group on another server?

Roaming videos have been done to death.

I’m sorry, I guess we should all start making videos where we’re all just running away from arrowcarts, don’t want to engage an enemy zerg, after killing 1 dude with a 40 man group jump on them and spam the number 1 ability all day. ’Cause that sure sounds exciting!

Lol, see… This is why we never joined you in the lower tiers KOM. People just don’t know how to counter skirmish guilds…

We’ll roam you to death…

DB has a great group of guys with a fair bit of heart who have all been super nice when they whispered me ingame with questions and comments. Much respect, you guys remind me a lot of TC. I do feel you guys are a little behind on the gear/traits/group setups though which didn’t help when you guys got matched up to us and JQ : (

[vH], thank you for a great afternoon of pvp!

-xxx-

The problem we have as BG is that a lot of our players are fair weather fighters, sad but true -_-

Sunflowers.1729:

What you said is true. I’m not saying that a 5-Thief team is the best for roaming (although I would rather have a 5 Thief team than a 5-of-anything-else team) compared to a mixed group who can cover each others’ weaknesses, just that if you wanted to roam by yourself, Thieves are the best by far (OP, if you are reading this, by far x10).

I just quoted you because I think those words were wise and true.

Also your class choice can change dramatically from the tier you are in. A lot of thieves for example will be forced to play dagger/pistol in tier 1 due to how zergie the maps are but I’m sure that if you play on a lower tier that you can get away with a lot of different weapon and build choices.

I still believe it doesn’t matter much on what class you want to play, it all depends on your own mindset and play style.

Sunflowers.1729:

If you just want to roam and have fun, most classes can do it at a decent level. There are builds for every class that offer good 1v1 capability.

Don’t go glassy, find a group of like-minded players, learn when to use your soft/hard CC’s and work on some team synergy.

We mainly run teams of 2-4 players and we do quite well as a roaming team in NA tier 1. You just have to make sure you get a good understanding with your partners, communication and timing is key.

Remove the combo finisher from Heartseeker, problem solved.

[oPP] Over Powered People – Blackgate tier 1 small skirmish group
http://www.youtube.com/user/oppveretta
http://www.youtube.com/user/melementalist

Our [Bees] alliance members/friends
http://www.youtube.com/user/Boulderbolg
http://www.youtube.com/user/vesuverra
http://www.youtube.com/user/bemeric1
http://www.youtube.com/user/T3hSanny

Equality.9023:

I’m down with OPp, yea you know me…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFTBG1sae0M

Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxaaaaactly

Nameplates: red == dead

I don’t want pointless titles to clutter my screen. I don’t care at all if you’re a toymaker, a champion, an amazing 1v1 duelist, a map completionist, a zerger, a roamer, ect… I just want to smash your skull in when you’re charging into me.

Heck, I wouldn’t even mind if they switch the guildtags off.

But you need a T-rex to keep you on your toes, it adds to the excitement…

The arrowcart change has been amazing, I love it! It’s one of the best changes from the last patch.

Siege should scare the kitten out of you when it’s hitting you… The whole change promotes the use of arrows carts in open field more and it also counters the whole quick ninja towers/keeps a lot better. Large groups are forced to be more direct and effective now too.

:( Rezz

<3

I got baited twice on 1 day…

-_-

Sorry for being late to the party. I got distracted with counting guild tags in a video

uh uhm…

We are in a similar situation as [Riot]. We have discussed moving down to lower tiers several times but the majority of us still see more negatives with moving down then positives.

We do have a few players that are scouting lower tier servers (tier 2, 5 and 6 I believe) but they’re basically telling us what we already expected. Fights are great for 1v1s and really small skirmishes but it doesn’t look appealing for groups of 5-7 which is what we normally run.

Also guild leaders from lower tier servers have warned us for a lot of PvDoor since morale seems to be broken a lot easier.

The action in tier 1 is non-stop and the zergs do give a thrill that you won’t find in the lower tiers. Grabbing the tail end is exciting because you know they can turn at any time and when a group of 40+ are trying to chase you down then you feel great when they fail to succeed.

I also think that a full servers of skirmish groups will get hardly anything done because their real passion is to just kill as many people as possible. This might be great for the tier balance but if you don’t bump into an enemy team within 5 minutes, you’ll get bored rather quickly and you’ll then end up doing a lot of PvCamp.

But I do like the idea and I’m curious to see what can be done because I am sure that a community with a lot of havoc/strike teams can be extremely enjoyable.

MadSpin.2041:

So there you have it in a nutshell. You decide what’s “good” or “bad” for yourself. I see too many posts asking that question about various skills, abilities, traits, etc and I feel it’s such a poorly framed question. Step up to any chick and ask her if MagnumCondoms™ are “good” and she’ll tell you if you’re working with a large package then “yes it’s good”, otherwise “no, it’s bad”. Meanwhile, most of you guys aren’t even getting laid cause you’re too busy asking somebody instead of going out and doing it.
- Mel

This is so true… haha

We’ve seen this happen several times in the past. One of the bigger guilds in tier 1 gave Mel some props on the forums for his fighting style a few weeks ago and a day later a lot of elementalists had switched to try out the build and weapon set… heh

You’ve done good though, showing losses makes you learn way more then showing just wins.

I would love to see an option where we can to switch ranks and titles off completely. I don’t care if people are a legendary general or a travel…

Our community just can’t deal with not being first, this has been a known issue for a long while though. Becoming first took a lot out of our players and it is also the thing that created this whole scenario but the community will be fine

Ah, I’ve been wondering where you guys were. Haven’t seen you guys for like a week and a half…. Did you guys go to Henge?

Darkjoy.3092:

Gully.7358:

Jedbacca.6297:

I uhhh, kind of went in to troll mode on one of your BG brethren from oPP. I got guildies that actually have field respect for them. So just ignore the trash that I’m currently spewing. I kind of took it personal when I read “JQ always runs.”

My guild members are just getting frustrated of seeing people run away from fights. It’s world vs world, why would people not want to engage in a fight? Specially when the numbers are equal or slightly in their favor?

We have to look hard and long to find good fights in tier 1 and most of those fights that we find are where we are heavily outnumbered. Our group runs around for more than 10 hours a day in WvW and it’s actually tough to find good fights at the moment.

Specially [Emp] is notorious for running home to get a gun after losing a knife on knife fight.

I respect EMP . They aren’t the best in open field but kitten can they multi task defenses if they have to

Oh I agree totally

Jedbacca.6297:

I uhhh, kind of went in to troll mode on one of your BG brethren from oPP. I got guildies that actually have field respect for them. So just ignore the trash that I’m currently spewing. I kind of took it personal when I read “JQ always runs.”

My guild members are just getting frustrated of seeing people run away from fights. It’s world vs world, why would people not want to engage in a fight? Specially when the numbers are equal or slightly in their favor?

We have to look hard and long to find good fights in tier 1 and most of those fights that we find are where we are heavily outnumbered. Our group runs around for more than 10 hours a day in WvW and it’s actually tough to find good fights at the moment.

Specially [Emp] is notorious for running home to get a gun after losing a knife on knife fight.

Fixeon.5076:

I think we all miss the smaller scale battles. I am sure my video card does. But I don’t think you are going to see much of that in T2 either. I had hoped that it would die down a bit after a week but people are still obsessed with ranks.

Blackgate has quite a few roaming guilds and what Boulder is trying to say comes down to something as simple as this; Tier 2 allows us to fight 4 vs 10 where we still have a big chance on having a good fight instead of the 4 vs 25+ that we have now in tier 1.

We love fights where we’re outnumbered but there is a difference between picking a fight where you have a chance to win due to good coordination/synergy and being zerged down just because the numbers are just that big.

The smaller roaming groups have always given Blackgate a lot of points these last months but the way the fights are going in tier 1, we feel totally out of place.

There is actually more pressure on us now too because the larger guilds that we have on our server are struggling and the points have to come from other places then what we are used to. So some larger guilds have been speculating on how to get points and are now trying to get 10+ size crews do the work we normally do with just 3-5 players. The map size is pretty good but the pool to fish points from is also getting smaller.

And even if we move to a location to distract, pick points or just look for a fight it will then be countered by a 25+ zerg.

If you’re part of a group like Riot, AAO, oPP, ect… it’s just tough to find those skilled fights that we are craving.

I’m pretty sure that tier 2 is a fair bit less zerg orientated compared to tier 1 since the populations are just smaller and it would mean more gaps in coverage.

Also the new content patches haven’t helped the folks in smaller guilds either… heh

The culling fix hasn’t really changed much with how I look and play the game but like you we’ve been wondering about maybe dropping down a few tiers for many months. My personal opinion is that the higher up in tier you go the less skill is required.

It’s a tough choice too Boulder because I think we’re too good for the lower tiers as well. Just because you know how to handle 10+ with just 3-4 players.

Meurto.8520:

Took a break from EB due to the massive queues and ran into the guilds Opp and RIOT in SOR BL. Was refreshing finding some small group skirmishes and had a blast trying trying to take you guys on even solo after my guildies logged.

Opp – bring less thiefs! And that ranger… you must die faster!

RIOT – holy batkitten…. I thought that ranger might die quickly, but I was terribly mistaken. I think he was tankier than the guardian AND the ele.

Hope to see more of you guys. Your friendly thief in TSFR.
/salute

Sorry about the thieves, we try to bring some balance to our groups but I think you might have caught us at a bad time when most people might have gone for a break

The ranger has been impressing us a lot too, he normally plays an elementalist and he was level 1 less then a week ago. We’re both still trying to figure out what we can really do with a ranger but it’s been a great learning experience. To see somebody giving props to a guy who only just picked up the class means we’re on the right track

As for Riot, they’re our brothers… some really great players to hang out with and to fight along side with

We’ve clashed heads with you guys from [DIS] a lot the last few days. We’ve had some great fights but lost a lot of them due to us only having 5 players running around most of the time. Where most guilds will still lose players in an encounter with small groups like ours, you guys have been solid. So it shows you guys have some talented players that look out for each other, can only have respect for that.

I’ll let Mel know you guys want to poke ‘m a little, I’m sure he’ll be keen to accept your challenge(s)

What skyd.9678 said. While using pistol/pistol, using steal to go to my target with the stealth trait seems to hardly ever work for me. If I swap it around to dagger/dagger it’ll work fine.