Guild Wars 2

People in my server always say this in chat:
“Lots of people camping JP. Can anyone come help? I need my badges!”
Here is what I tell them:
“We’re defending _ (or attacking _). Leave the JP for now, kill some people, get some free badges and go in at a different time”

The badges are for killing people in WvW. The jumping puzzle is in the WvW environment, that means that the JP IS WvW! It’s something people never seem to grasp. The jumping puzzle isn’t meant for a PvE farm, or they wouldn’t have put it in a WvW environment, and it wouldn’t give WvW rewards. If you want WvW badges, play some WvW. It is by far the fastest way to get them. Yes you get very few on a per kill basis, but in good action, if you get 80 kills, then you have a good chance of getting bags!

As long as the JP is in WvW, people will camp it. It is easy kills for people who very often don’t know how to effectively fight other players and just trying to farm badges without doing anything effective for their server. But I like that, because it means less enemies defending the towers I’m trying to take!

If you say people shouldn’t be able to camp the JP and kill people, then, by rights, it shouldn’t give any WvW rewards, since it is no longer in a WvW environment, and then it won’t give you badges.

What exactly are you trying to get with farming badges? Is it just the armor? If that is the case, find another pair with similar/same stats for now, and do WvW (shocking, yes) to get the WvW armor for the skins or specific stats. If its for the legendary, you’ll still do better off killing people for badges while people camp (they rarely camp it 24/7 since Ive noticed its mostly the same people/guilds) and then go back to the JP.

Sitting there and getting farmed in the JP while saying its unfair isn’t getting you badges any faster than joining in some action with camps, towers or keeps. I’m sorry ,but that’s just the truth. Farming badges with JP isn’t faster when people camp it, and people will camp it since it is a WvW zone and they can get easy kills. (When I do it, and I kill people in it (only if they attack first mostly), I just use my knockbacks or pulls and get instant kills, and thus instant badges). The enemy don’t want you to get all the nice free siege! The free kills is just a side bonus!

It isn’t unfair in anyway. It’s WvW, and working exactly as designed.

No matter what, there will always be a problem with numbers. That is why there are tiers. The free server swaps are needed however when, for instance, a server moves up a tier and really needs to get more people into the server. People will always switch to the server which suits them best. If they love WvW, and they have a chance to go to a T1/T2/T3 server and they’re on a very low tier server, they might switch for more “active” WvW.

Now, for your limiting system, what do you mean? A system where, for instance, if server C has 20 people on, then only 20 people can be on from server A and B? Because that system just wouldn’t work, and would be very easily exploitable. There will ALWAYS be population skews during some times of the days.

It sounds like what you are wanting more is doing the structured pvp, where everyone starts off equally, with equal numbers, etc. WvW is meant to be for large scale fighting, with combinations of all types of play, and it will NEVER be truly balanced. NEVER. I have had some very even fights, but never balanced over a long time scale.

If you like PvP, but don’t like the balancing issues, etc with WvW, you might want to try sPvp and see if that is much better. Note: I’m not saying you must, just that, based off of what you said, it sounds like something much closer to what you want.

The times it has happened to be have been purely random, or caused by lag. For example, I attack someone with my greatsword attack to “throw” a clone, and they’re in LOS, then go through a tower portal and go inside. Then it can sometimes go into it. And sometimes it goes through the gate when I use the greatsword auto attack for one hit, then doesn’t the others. It’s purely random, and as far as I know there is no way to consistently do it without using a game exploit, in which case its not the class, but an exploit to be fixed.

The spatial surge will do it more often than the clones/illusions since they really only rely on lag..but its nothing to fret about

My only problem with down state are the few down state abilities which allow people to move in some form. I’ve seen many who have these abilities just hug towers/keeps they own and when downed run into the keep, in the downed state, and heal up full, then charge back out. (Most of the time too if they kill you they CJ you or laugh at your dead body…which is slightly funny LOL). This is, in my mind, broken.

However, the overall downed state isn’t bad, and it actually can really help small ORGANIZED groups against larger pug-filled groups. So, don’t remove downed state, but maybe lock the tower/keep portals for players during their downed state.

The way I see it, T3 needed something new. The constant fighting between TC and FA was mostly just causing lots of tension, etc…Good luck IoJ! I’m sure you’ll bring about some great fights in T3!

I think it’s perfectly fine. It’s a good strategy, but, like all good strategies, once it is used successfully and becomes known, someone, somewhere, will want to nerf it. But please don’t! I don’t play ele, but I love the fact that this is here. It adds something extra that “Build x amount of siege. Press fire. Wall go down. Woo.” These types of cool little strategies is really what makes WvW fun in my opinion. Get rid of them and it’s just mindless zerging, bashing your head against a door, and a money sink to buy the most amount of siege.

It’s just like the new surge, at least in my bracket, of hammer guardians. Using this strategy, a handful of hammer guardians can keep huge groups busy at choke points. It’s not something to be nerfed, just a new cool tactic.

There is a way around this strategy. Build another treb, or go KILL the ele’s. I remember my guild had a team of 3 ele’s blocking treb shots at our counter treb at Bay. The enemy had a full zerg, and not a single one came up to try to AoE kill, or even target, the ele’s (they were in perfect AoE range).

Just don’t be one of those types that gets beat by a new strategy, and instantly calls “nerf!”, because you don’t like it, or realize you can’t do it! Think of a new cool strategy with your class that will bring on posts like this!

I’m sad..I was running around as a cute friendly plush griffon, and some FA attacked me made me very sad…

This has happened a few times…I’m sure it’s only a few individuals who are doing the exploiting, but here is my plea: If you see someone on your own server exploiting, please PLEASE report them. Don’t take their portals taking you into keeps freely, don’t support them. The moment WvW becomes an exploit-fest, is the moment it starts to die. Just report them. There have been reports of all servers doing it, so lets just stop it by everyone not supporting it.

I think this matchup just needs to end. Attitudes like the two above posts (not the post directly above this one, which went the same time mine did..the ones above that…) do nothing but inflame, and are becoming more and more common and more and more acceptable…there are some good fights, but the attitudes and behavior of several of the large guilds, who should be the pinnacle of respect, is just unacceptable and wrong….

Why are whining about this? I’m a mesmer and I use my portal very often. We’ve already found a way around this in my guild. If you have more than 20 people, then odds are there is another mesmer if that group. Have THAT mesmer lay an entrance before going into the portal, then lay an exit on the way out. Then you have 40 people. Rinse and repeat…Odds are if you don’t have another mesmer, you won’t have more than 20 people. This isn’t that big of a hit to us, it was done probably just to make the naysayers be quiet for a day.

TheFug.5278:

Meh, you did a really poor job redecorating. The shag carpet in the lord room is so 70’s, and I am not a fan of the new curtains.

What’s wrong with shag carpets? We have to do something with all the dolyak fur that sheds all over the borderlands…Seriously, there is a big issue..it’s filling the lakes, killing the Hyleks, and clogging the power nodes…

My only problem with stealth as a mesmer is the culling issue. If the thief renders, I normally have a decent enough shot at killing them. But there is the occassional time where the thief will crit me from stealth, do massive damage, and before they render they get a few extra attacks off. So, the only issue I find with stealth isn’t the stealth itself, but the same culling issues. Even if they pop back into stealth, I at least know they are there and can normally deal with it. Thieves troll me by stealth hitting me, I troll them back with lots and lots of confusion! MUAHA

Thieves aren’t scary they hide in stealth because they’re scared of us…

This whole thread makes me laugh with everyone accusing everyone else of stuff, then getting all puffed up when someone accuses them..reminds of the Three Stooges (CD, FA and TC).

I personally think that if CD and FA have an alliance against TC, then it’s only a compliment! I mean, if we win by a lot, we go to T2 and they fight a new person. So, obviously, they’re ganging up on trying to make us lose 1st place so they can keep fight us! It just means CD and FA loves TC so much they want to keep fighting us forever!

Just remember, this is WvW. It’s supposed to be about fun and community

I’m reading this thread, seeing people post about drama…and then I realized: There is so much drama about the amount of drama that people are dramatizing about o.O

Anyways, it has been a good match so far! I’m not sure how TC got so far ahead compared to last week (a couple days I got too busy), but I’ve had some good fights!

Also, to the person who killed me when I was naked dancing behind your lines (I portaled past), you killed my buzz :P

One reason I love TC is that there are a lot of people who are just there to have fun. If we lose a keep, we’ll have fun about getting it back! And seeing RPers in WvW can be really good fun!

Yeah, so I did say that portals DO need to be balanced. Most of my thread was responding to the fact that they break gameplay because they are so ungodly powerful. There were lots of really nice ideas for modifying portals so that they are more balanced. My favorites so far are:
1. Make the portals have some type of health (5-10k health so that 1-2 people can target and take it out)
2. Allow mesmers to have a skill to backtrace and use it against them! MUAHAHA
3. Let them have a chance to fail (a guildmate said that like have a 10% chance that it sends you to the wrong place, and a 1-5% chance that the portal sends EVERYONE to a wrong place, and maybe a 10-25% chance that it works in reverse instead)
4. Make it as an elite level skill with a similar level if cooldown. That way, mesmers can still use it, but groups/commanders have to be more wise about when they want to use it.

I honestly doubt that if you got rid of the mesmer portals we’d all of a start seeing lots of things like squad formations, etc…it would still be the mindless zerging, but you might just get a bunch more thieves around abusing culling, or more elementalists, more warriors, etc.. There are quite a few situations where mesmer portals don’t do much good, and people still just mindless zerg it, or stand in front of a door smacking their heads against it. Yes, that might happen in well trained guilds, but there is still a massive PuG element which would just find the next “thing” and use that. Then people would whine, it would get nerfed, and they would switch to the new thing. It happens in every game I have played where is there is a WvW like game play (i.e. not just small squad pvp, and even in there it happens!)

Honestly, people always whine about it, and I’m sure they whine about it after they get portal bombed. I do portal bombing for my guild, but we don’t do it often. We mostly do it on defense when massively outnumbered and out seiged. And I will also state that it is quite easy to stop and/or spot a portal. My guild has defeated portal bombs many times, and died by them as well. Both sides can do it. Here are some good ways to deal with portal bombs:
1) If you see a random solo player running into a zerg, theres a BIG HINT! Yes, the mesmers CAN do stealth, hence why this is just #1.
2) Assume the mesmer gets the portal off. There is about a 1 second period before it fully activates. SO, if you notice a glowy pink circle on the ground, throw all your AOE on it. Remember, the culling issues go BOTH ways. You don’t render them, but they don’t render you as well. So, just lay down large amounts of AoE’s before they hit theirs, spread out, etc. The glowing pink circles are easy to spot
3) I’ve seen people in threads like this that say things like: “Well, sometimes they lay the entrance, and then the exit at their raid”. This would imply your zerg/group walked into a purple circle onto the ground. Always look for them.
4) People always WHINE about keep sweeping. Saying things like “you shouldn’t have to!”, “This isn’t a game of hide and seek”, etc. Sweeping a keep is very easy, and very logical. I hide in keeps ALL the time, sometimes out in the open. Many groups don’t take the 1 minute to send 5-10 people to sweep around the keep. Have other mesmers that you are friends with teach you the hiding spots that we use the most. I get caught hiding in keeps ~50% of the time. If they don’t spot me, well, I’m in their territory that used to be mine, so it is all fair.

That being said, yes, there are some things that could be done to fix the portal’s since the culling issues can make them annoying. However, limiting the amount of people is silly. One good way is to make the portal targetable with LOW health (i.e. ~5-10k health). Or make there be some chance of failure so that anyone who goes through it ends up in the wrong spot, etc.

Portal bombing is a technique that many people use. Why? It works. But it goes both ways. The culling issues with portals aren’t NEARLY as bad as the culling issues with thief’s stealth, since the people using the portal are equally blind. So, the best way to deal with portal bombs is to know how to spot them, and how to deal with them. AoE’s on the portal, spotting the mesmers, sweeping keeps are all very simple things that can be done to basically make portal bombs useless on your group.

Portals aren’t perfect. They do need some changing to make them more “balanced”. However, they also got rid of mesmer usefulness on things such as arrow carts on walls very minimal.

I guarantee that even IF they nerf it so that there are 5 people per portal people will STILL whine that it is game breaking. Why? Because group parties will group together with 4-5+ mesmers, and then the mesmers can use their CHAIN STEALTH and CHAIN time warp (Think! Now you’re making mesmers group together!), and the mechanic will still be used. Now, you just have several mesmers at the end with things like time warp, and stealth. So, the only way to get rid of all whining is to get rid of the entire skill. And then people will STILL find something to whine about that mesmers do in WvW, such as time warp.

So, in summary: tweak portals a bit to make them more balanced, learn the basic things I stated above, fix the issues culling, stop whining about every technique that you die to, roll a mesmer if you think we’re so cool and hop in on the fun, and use these techniques against your enemies. And, more importantly, have fun killing your enemies and ransacking keeps!

I’d like to chime in and say there has been some really good fighting going on! I’m glad FA and YB are bringing it, it’s much more fun to fight sides that will constantly put up a fight.

The fights in the first couple days around DB in TCBL were really great! It seemed FA really wanted that keep! Which made me sad you guys made me sink 4g into it, and when you took it after the first day, you ruined my shiny pretty walls!

If we fight against each other again next week, I’m sure it’ll be even more fun!

It’s also been great that is seems like the FA and YB people are starting to adapt much better and learn to fight off portal bombs to their siege! Fighting against an improving opponent is always much more fun and challenging than fighting against servers that just give up.

I’d like to commend the GODS and ULTD people from FA as well for REALLY knowing how to sweep your keeps! You guys find me at least 1/2 the time I’m hiding out. And the other 1/2…well, I have my fun

Look forward to good rest of the week on the borderlands!