Guild Wars 2

Zosk.5609:

Portal itself is not good for WvW… you can pretty much leave out the rest of the sentence.

Whether it’s rezzing one behind a gate or having to “sweep for mesmers” or jumping puzzle shenanigans or this tactic…. no one ability causes more problems, exploits and non-fun crap to happen.

This one statement made me laugh, mainly because of your gripe about having to sweep for mesmers. I’ve said this way too many times, I would have thought it have sunken in by now. Fully sweeping a keep after you take it takes at most 1-2 minutes. When you take it, sweep it. It’s YOUR tower, YOU secure it.

Portal causes NO problems. It helps bring about some really cool strategies, and it also helps smaller groups. “Oh, you don’t have a 40 man zerg to take down this T3 keep? Well, break down a gate, sneak a mesmer in there, and wait.” People don’t like portal because it requires them to do something besides spam skills at a target, especially because mesmers hiding in keeps is now one of the EASIEST things you can possible do in WvW, since they fixed every glitchy wall spot. People just don’t do it, they don’t take the exrta minute or two to secure their OWN territory. Then, when they don’t take the short time to sweep, they whine when a mesmer patiently hides and gets people in.

For all those who don’t play mesmer: hiding in keeps for a long time, and getting people in unseen isn’t very easy, at least during times where the opposing server has people. Try it, please I think people get upset from the small percentage of mesmers who got very good at finding hiding spots, and staying unseen, but that should be commended, not nerfed. I’ve hidden in keeps many times, and sometimes I’ll hide out in an obvious area, and literally see my enemies walk right past me..I’m not stealthed, just standing there..I even wave, and they walk right past me.

Portaling golems isn’t bad for WvW, it’s good. it takes coordinate between the mesmers, and the golem pilots. Ive seen many portal parades ruined because of one bad mesmer. Why do so many people claim something needs a nerf when small groups get organized, and think, and do something skillful? So, before people once again start knocking mesmers for something which is so easily countered if you THINK, try playing a mesmer for a while, see how it works, and commend your opponents when they take your stuff out from under your nose.

Sickle.6502:

4 weeks in a kitten row now, facing the same bloody servers…., and still haven’t managed to be swapped location wise, or get my 100% world completion.

Arena net, PLEASE find a way so people who enter WvW have the option to go as combatants or just for the sake of getting their 100% world completions, and make those people unable to kill or be killed..

I’d have my map completion if PvE wasn’t in the way, I mean, why should I have to enter PvE just to get World Completion when I mainly do WvW? Sounds silly when you say it from our point of view, huh?

I can see how being a small group facing a large zerg can get frustrating, but honestly, the 40v40, or even 60v60 fights Ive been in have been some of the most epic fights I’ve had in GW2! If you’re a small group, you can still be effective, but maybe trying to find fights in open field isn’t what you want to do. I run in small groups decently often, and we flip camps, ninja towers/keeps…we just stay wary of the enemy zerg

I think the issue is that you’d have to change how the Dolyak walks give credit. If NO ONE escorts it, and then you run near it for a few seconds by a keep, you can get gold. Obviously then this would be an extremely easy way to get WXP, as it requires doing nothing. Even if you have lots of people escorting, while it is one of the most important jobs, the problem becomes, how much do you give, how do you assign who gets it, etc… I’d be all for them giving WXP for escorting yaks, it would just have to be in a way that couldn’t be easily exploited.

Jski.6180:

Tallis.5607:

Looks like FA is recovering from a pretty bad reset night!

FA is still going to T3 at this rate, but it’s much, much closer than yesterday: FA only loses -28 rating now instead of -55 yesterday.

Wait how can you go from blue in T2 to any thing in T3 before red drops?

If the blue team loses by a decent amount to the red team, than by the ranking algorithm, the blue team will lose a lot more than the red team, which may even gain some ranking. So for FA to not go to T3, they have to either beat KN, or at least keep it very close, so it’s too soon to tell.

FA, I hope you just learned in FABL to sweep the cliffs in your towers Since you seemed to have had a mesmer infestation hehe

As a glamour mesmer, here are some ways I think they could balance it and I think appease most people:
1) Have it only stack to a lower amount
2) Have the duration then stack instead of the magnitude past the max
3) Get rid of it activating on dodges/trait skills

I think especially the last one most mesmers wouldn’t have a problem with. I think theres another issue: either it needs to be like other conditions, or not. If it’s not treated like all the other conditions, then it should be changed accordingly. But I definitely think most WvW mesmers wouldn’t mind too much if they got rid of it on dodge/trait skills.

Burl.9567:

Akaji.1296:

Score affects the magnitude of a world’s rating change – e.g. losing by 10,000 score will reduce your world’s rating more than losing by 1,000 score. Source.

The OP’s complaint is largely unfounded; score matters regardless of who wins.

That said, this does bring up a good point: information is not readily available for players in WvW. I’d like to see a tab in the new WvW window (which is an excellent addition!) called ‘Help’, ‘WvW Information’, or something similar. This tab should have

• general information about WvW – “What is it?”, “How do I participate?”, “Why are there 4 battlegrounds?”, an explanation of the user interface elements, etc.
• specific information about the battlefield – “What is a tower?”, “What is a keep?”, “What is a castle?”, “What are siege weapons?” etc., incl. point-per-period information.
• complex information about WvW – “How is a world’s rating calculated?”, “How does score affect a world’s rating?”, etc.
• (not necessary, but convenient) a list of world rankings.

(Yes, I’m aware that some of this information is available from the WvW training characters, but that isn’t very helpful – it isn’t accessible to fresh players who have never been to WvW and don’t know about it or how to get to it; it doesn’t provide a quick reference; and it lacks a lot of important information like score, rating, etc.)

Losing rating due to the glicko system isn’t going to motivate me. Look at tier 1. If BG lost by 100k or 10k, they are still in tier 1. They aren’t going anywhere. Why should I care if I lost 40 rating or 4? Besides, most players don’t look at the glicko. They look at the match score to make a determination on whether they are going to play. Hide the score so no one sees it and they are much more willing to play.

Players need more motivation that losing a few glicko points, especially when the tiers rarely change nowadays.

So what would you want? I mean, the poster made a good point: the more you lose by the more rating you lose, and more rating you lose, the faster you drop into a lower teir. Now, if teir doesn’t matter, and your ranking doesn’t matter, than what DOES matter to you? What would you want? Instead of just saying no, when you give a critism like this, post what you would like to see done

Pulls and knockbacks are your friends if its just a few people…it doesn’t take long to cap, and you should have plenty of CC to keep people out.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Bursts.1540:

Professor Sensei.2941:

So I was hearing something about FA is better than TC? I think I’ve only ever seen TC lose to them once and every other time it’s just a server to chase around for loot bags. Why do I keep hearing from random FA players added me to party that our server is trash?

Those players consider winning as wiping the other server. From judging your post you play for ppt and coverage am I right? Just differences of opinion. See you out there in your zerg ball.

Well considering we pushed you guys out of bay despite us having a numbers disadvantage for how long? Well over 2 hours before you managed to take it back. I’d say thats a victory in itself. But my god, I’ve NEVER seen FA use more trebs on anything ever. A wooden keep with ALL the walls down, and you keep building trebs. I actually even partied one of you and reminded you that you left the north/south inner gates up.

Yup thats for sure…I think they knocked down enough walls, a religion almost was founded on that..holey ground. (Yes, I’m awful).

If you have problems finding the mesmer, an easy trick is to turn off the nameplates for NPCs Also, another trick is look at the boons, and look for dodging!

Glamour or confusion build mesmers are really easy to counter: just move away for them for a short time. Our confusions do NOT stack in duraction, and most sacrifice enough direct DPS that you falling back for a few seconds, popping some evades or heals, will leave you relatively unharmed by the confusions.

As for glamour fields in zergs, what has really astounded me as a glamour mesmer is how often I throw down a feedback or other glamor field (EVEN PORTALS COUNT!) and many just sit there and stand inside the field..so they’re not only getting the base confusion, but also all the finishers that are being done through the etheral field. Yeah, if you get a lot of mesmers it can be hard to stop, but if you get a lot of one class together and have them do anything at once, it will seem OP.

Also what shocks me is when us glamour mesmers come onto the forums to tell you exactly how to counter us, we just get told back that we’re just defending our build. Listen to us, some of us are telling you the weaknesses of our builds, FOR FREE!

Just so people know, here are our glamour fields (if I forget any, lemme know, I’m really tired right now!):
1. Feedback (most popular for ZvZ)
2. Null field (Also great for ZvZ since it strips boons)
3. Portals (both ways)
4. Time warp

Mesmers have to sacrifice quite a bit of raw DPS for lots of confusion. 1 mesmer alone has to build just right, and have great timing to get over 10 stacks of confusion, espceially to keep it up fairly constantly.

sceptus.9415:

A relaxing view from the bay last night on FA BL.

That was a fantastic night! Though it still puzzles me why FA kept building those trebs…do they have a treb god on FA that they must make sacrifices to? o.O But it was a really fun night, hopefully for both sides!

So, I was hiding in a keep one day (well..I do it every day..seriously, people should sweep more, I have a few spots with mini-fridges set up) and I noticed that since the new update getting rid of culling, I can see people coming towards my hiding spots from all the way across a keep, with their MASSIVE obvious nameplates. I have noticed that it definitely has been detering smaller group play, ninja tactics, or more “sneaky” methods. You can easily spot smaller groups for long distances, distances which you wouldn’t be able to realistically percieve them.

So, I was wondering: Is this as intended? And what is the radius for nameplate rendering? I noticed at least that if you’re standing on bay inner walls, you can see every enemy nameplate from across the bridge. Would a better solution be that the nameplate scales down much more realistically with distance? I just don’t think it is a bit silly that you can see the nameplate of a person from across a keep, with the nameplate being very large and obvious.

NOTE: The new update though has been great since now you can finally see all of your enemies!

If you seriously had 30 people standing in front of a gate, and couldn’t see or even get the thief, than that means several things could’ve been happening:
1) He was hitting another gate
2) There weren’t really 30 people…
3) People not paying attention
4) The thief was hacking (though not very likely)

Thieves are a lose-lose to fight in 1v1 most of the time, since they either kill you or run away. Once you get a thief running, they tend to not come back for a bit.. As for him hitting the gate constant, if he stealthed through you, then at some point he would have been visible for 3 seconds at least, and with the new patch, name plates for enemies are so stinkin obvious you can see them 1/2 a keep away! So, I’m guessing something is just a bit off here, since a 30 man zerg should easily be able to deter a thief, especially with marks and traps.

I’m pretty sure the gem price is based on the server population, not the WvW tier. As such, the two aren’t totally correlated …so there is no issue at all.

My problem with badges is that certain classes definitely get the advantage on the badge train. If I trait into a more support role as mesmer, most of my badges come from glamour fields, but the way that conditions work, it can be funky not even getting bags to drop. That being said, right now the system for badge drops really favors direct DPS/AoE damage rather than support builds or condition damage.

So, if you make it 10k badges, I think you’ll see alot of direct DPS classes able to get their badges much quicker (assuming people start from scratch, or even ~1k), than people who run support builds. If you NEED badges to get commander tomes, then you might see a lot of people who want to start commanding just stop their support roles and go to a pure dps role, and that, I have a feeling, will be very noticable. (i.e Commander 1: GIVE ME WATER FIELDS!
Ele 1: Sorry, using meteor storm to rack up my badges for commander tome)

I think the best way to do commanders is 1 part WvW badges, 1 part guilds, 1 part WvW rank points (or something similar), or introduce a new system with votes, or a new system of achievements which benefits every style of play.

From all the transfers, I get a feeling more like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geC2gHZ6m2g

DeeSystm.1256:

If I end up downed by the guards (if they have escort) no rally from yak,

The best way to avoid being downed by the escort guards is to not even attack them. Kite them, use some CD’s if you have to (blinds, or stuff like that), but just burn down the yak. When the yak dies, the escorts disappear.

I’m not sure if you knew this, but just in case you didn’t, that’s the best way to deal with escorts

I think the biggest issue isn’t the trait, but the way the arrow carts do the attacks. When you do the AoE, it basically pulses the damage over several seconds, so the immobilize can get reapplied constantly (also negating any use of condition removals). So, the issue is with the AC attacks not the warrior trait.

As for the strategy, the only reason I feel it CAN be OP in some situations is it really makes it much more difficult for a smaller team to be effective anymore. It’s more of an issue that the AC’s have decently long range, so it can be almost impossible for a small group to even get to the AC’s or get to the warriors. However, here are some solutions I’ve found as a mesmer (and Im sure there are others with other classes):
1. Blink towards to Ac’s and use a knockback or just attack the warrior. Most of the time this works since you can blink through where the warrior is using it
2. Use combination of blinks and portals to get your group on the AC’s
3. Use the mesmer focus pull to long range yank the warrior off.
4. Put a feedback on them. (Note, this DOESN’T actually affect them, which I think it should since you’re firing projectiles) , but for some reason people see the feedback bubble and now instictively run away
5. Use your distortion shatter to evade and get to the guy

So, yes it is a bit “OP”, but it is also fairly easily countered.

The issue is when you’re running around with 40-50 people and many of them are spamming fireworks. It really does get annoying and gives headaches after a while. On top of that, it just causes loads of lag, and makes it so its impossible to see.

While I think they’re nice in celebration stuff, recently they’ve just gotten out of had. It might just be a few people, but they’re really ruining it.

TogoChubb.3984:

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Don’t get me wrong, I am all for adding more WXP for defensive stuff. But, my biggest issue is that people here are demanding it done immediately to get ____ to give WXP without thinking of the effects, and the issues.

1) If you give WXP for building siege, then it only promotes more people building random sieges that do nothing but add to the cap and remove supply. I think it would be great if WXP is given for building good siege, but how would the server determine what is “useful” siege and what isn’t?
2) As for the yaks, right now if no one escorts it, and you run up next to it, and no one attacks it, you can get gold medal, so giving WXP for it would be a bit silly. So, how could they make it worth it? Maybe add a timer saying you have to escort it for X seconds, or maybe add the event only pop if someone/something attacks the yak.

SO, I’m not saying that people doing defensive stuff should not get WXP, only that when they give very vague suggestions they make it more concrete, and think of what could go wrong. It’s just my developer’s mindset siting in, trying to think of all the possible issues that it could cause and bring them out in the open.

Almostfaceman.1804:

Everything is exploited too much. Large zergs are an exploit. They attack and give WxP when even there’s nobody defending a camp or a castle. Your server is just being rewarded for being lucky enough to have a lot of people interested in WvW.

People sitting in a castle are part of strategy. They can WATCH. You see, I actually got paid real money to sit on things and watch them. That’s how you guard them. That’s how you notify others when something is getting attacked. The map swords can be tricked or forgotten – nothing replaces an actual person at the castle watching over it.

Strategy and tactics are FUN. Being smart enough to post people in key positions should be rewarded, not punished.

Large “zergs” aren’t an exploit in ANY way. The problem with having people get WXP for just “sitting around” in a keep watching is that it does nothing to prevent people doing things like afk auto-healing for hours on end filling up queues and not doing anything. That would be done, guaranteed.

I agree with people saying there should be scaling, but then how would that work? If I’m in a group and we’re taking a tower, and all the enemies bail, do we get less all of a sudden? How would 2 people taking a camp with no one around compare to 20 people taking a camp with 10 enemies around? I’m not saying its a bad idea, but it could just prove to cause more issues.

Getting WXP is really easy, and I’m someone who does lots of defending, suicide portals, and support build. Also, remember, GETTING RANKS GIVES YOU NOTHING. And by nothing, I mean, not a lot. You’re not excluded from anything, heck, your own teammates cant even see your rank! Is it a perfect system? No. Should it be updated? Yeah. However, it has to be done in a way that won’t just cause more problems.

For those of you who say “rank means something, so we should get something for defending”, just ask yourselves this: will rank mean anything at all if people can get it just sitting around, sentrying (which IS very important!), mostly afk for hours and get more WXP than someone on the field who dies, takes camps, etc?

Ok, first, clarify: what do you mean when “defense” for rewards? Do you mean sitting in a keep when no one is attacking it, and expecting to get rewards? If so, that’s just silly…

However, if you mean getting rewards when someone is attacking your keep/tower, I believe that you do get WXP if you’re playing an “active” role when an enemy is attacking a keep/tower (correct me if I’m wrong, all the WXP and WvW starts to blur together).

As for the recaping, that strategy is actually valid some times. I’ve been in many situations where you’re in a wooden keep/tower and something else is being attacked and you pull away and let them take it, and then retake it later. OR, another reason that I’ve seen recapping work well is if you have a tower/keep about to go down, they have their full force there to take it. Then you can quickly take something of theirs, then reflip the wooden keep.

As for the WXP for thins like yaks, or building siege, the problem is it would just be exploited too much. As is, I’ve gotten a gold medal for escorting a yak for like 10 seconds..so does that really deserve WXP? I just see no way for them to do it that wouldn’t be easily exploited or just really buggy.

Arkard.3970:

Sunspots.9861:

You already know [PiNK] likes taking Garrisons, but what you don’t know, is we really enjoy having our pictures taken.

I’m filing an animal rights complaint as one of the dolyaks that got trebbed.

That was me that got trebbed (the gold one). I was very sad…they hit me with a treb 4 times that night…

People from low pop servers complain about not getting people, so they’re stagnant in their ranks and match ups. They get new people, increase queues, then complain about getting new people. I think transfers to medium servers is a good idea, since it encourages people who are in T1 who don’t like their server anymore to jump to a lower bracket server that really needs numbers. As for the 1h queue, I’d wait to see how that really changes. You can’t judge the past day for how it will be since lots of people who are normally casual are suddenly getting on a lot to look at the new system. So, before you start proclaiming the death of a server, just give it time, be friendly to those new people, and be glad that you’re getting new forces

I don’t see what the issue, and I certainly don’t see any “grind”. These are minor buffs, which is GOOD. You don’t want major buffs, because that would make veteran WvW’ers supremely stronger, just by stats, than new players, and could just encourage segragation between the two groups. Also, who said you “HAD” to get these skills NOW? No one. They’re there purely as rewards for spending time. People whined that for 6-7 months of WvW they were getting no rewards. Now, they’re given rewards for long term play, which you don’t even have to change your gamestyle to get, and they cry “GRIND!”. It’s not a grind, its a reward system.

To the people who are crying grind, how else would you want the system to work? They just give the buffs to everyone? If so, whats the difference? Would you want to be given the buffs after only 1 month of WvW’ing? Then you’ll complain endlessly how you hit the max and there’s nothing to do. Get over yourselves, and just be glad and happy. These buffs don’t change WvW AT ALL, they just give you a cool new reward system with some fun buffs. It’s not a grind, its a “business as usual with a punch card” kind of thing….a sort of..buy 12, get 1 free system. You won’t claim that you have to buy 12..its just an added benefit when you do!

So, will people stop whining how it is a grind? It isn’t, pure and simple. It’s simply a reward system for long term play, to let people get something in WvW for putting a lot of time in it. If you want to treat it as a grind, and try to get to rank 20 in 1 week, that is entirely your choice. No one is forcing you to do it, and it isn’t required in any way by the game or by the people really. Making it a grind is 100% your choice, plain and simple.

I’ve gotten gold on escorting a dolyak by just standing next to it for like 30 seconds, so it could be easily exploited.

The biggest reason people do the JP are the free siege, and especially the free badges. This is because PvE’ers want to get the Gift of Battle from WvW without actually DOING any WvW, then they whine when they die from other players in WvW. If you move it out of WvW, then it wouldn’t give WvW rewards, and most people who complain would just stop doing it anyways. Camping the puzzle is perfectly fine and it stops your enemies from getting free siege.

Basically, if you want badges, earn them. If you want the Gift of Battle, earn it. Don’t whine that you can’t get pvp rewards by only jumping. The more you complain it about it, the more it wants WvWers to sit in the JPs and farm the people who want the WvW rewards without contributing anything.

Score update:

To the whole RET zerg that just stomped my face in at bay…well played. I had the spent the past 5 minutes trying to evade you all stealthing, portalling, restealthing, reportalling, etc…when I saw your whole group, I just looked and went “well…I’m gone.”

Honestly some of the best fun I’ve had all week..you guys are very persistent! You wouldn’t just let me hide away in a corner

style.6173:

I doubt it is too big of a deal. Yes, people could do it, but you really need a life if you want to spy on another server. I’m sure there are some who fall into that category, but it is a very small minority.

As for misplacing siege, how do you know it isn’t just griefer on your own server. You know, like people who put up their commander tags when in the jp.

There are definitely some group that use spies (i.e. a mesmer will successfully be hidden in a keep for an hour, then a commander will call out for the mesmer, and suddenly there is a new sweep going on the keep, before the commander even moves to towards the keep). Whether or not it is illegal shouldn’t matter. No guild should ever use spies. All it does is just encourage ZvZ faceslamming and ruins a lot of the fun. But it is normally fairly obvious when one side has a spy, and it can be easily tested. I’ve seen tests where people fake call out about a friendly mesmer in a keep, or asking in map chat how a ninja is doing, and you can sometimes see the enemy zerg disengage from you and make a bee-line to that place. Fairly funny

I wish a dev would comment on it, though in the long run, there is nothing they can do to tell if someone is in fact spying, or how to enforce it.

Aww..thanks for all the TC love here. And yes, stay away from our yaks! threaten

The servers I’ve had the most fun playing against by far have been KA and BG. Full of great people, always a good time, no matter what is happening!

Saweth You Him.9047:

I’ve never heard of spring break being in the third week of march. Are you from the Netherlands? Do you all go to Amsterdam and smoke pot and strip naked in the street? From what I’ve seen so far from the very little time I’ve played it has been the same 40 man bunch of people following a phermonal rush of next like those nature shows where they discuss a group of animals in their natural habitat coming from TC.

Where I’m at, lots of places are doing their spring breaks around this time. Since school years end around may, any earlier would be too cold, any later would be too close to the end.

This whole thread kinda makes me sad… Can we put our egos away and stop trying compare them? FA is having a good week, for whatever reason you wish to say. Now, both sides need to just have fun and stop acting like kids trying to show better than each other. This match up between all the servers could be really fun, but the constant attitudes is just getting really REALLY old…many of us aren’t in high school anymore, so stop acting like it please

There have been great fights on all sides, so to say otherwise is silly. So please, stop the bloody attitudes, leave old grudges alone, and just have fun. This is a game, first and foremost, so just relax, chill, and everyone get along. We might be facing each other many many times over the next year (who knows, maybe several years!), and I’d hate for us to all just start to dislike WvW because theres old bitterness.

If you want to report to anet, do so. However, they have a tendency to act very slowly, if at all from past experience. You cannot post the pictures here withut them getting removed. All the guilds in TC hate exploiters, so the fastest way to stop it is to let one of them know. We’re not saying “don’t report to anet, just let us deal with it”, we’re saying “if you send one the guild leader a tell, we can stop it faster than waiting for anet while anet resolves the issue”
There is no mention here of cover up, or even a want to cover up. ANet takes time to deal with exploiters, but on the server, we can locally figure out what is going on and try to stop it

It’s all friendly, and I think a general rule for most servers and guilds But if you want to post on the forums and get infracted, it’s entirely your choice. Like several have said, report any hints of exploiting to anet, and also let the guild leader know of whatever guild the person is in, or another leader from that server.

That being said, many mesmers, including myself, have been accused of exploiting many many times for hiding in keeps. If you’re ever in doubt, report

What makes you think we have a whole guild of thieves and mesmers? It’s better to say its a couple handfuls that just like to be pests

By the way, if you see a giant golden yak running around, wave you don’t have to roflzerg stomp it

Endrick.4361:

krade.4021:

I guess it’s better to PM one of the guild leaders with proof(fraps of him/her walljumping or glitchting)? This is Anet forums..

Why, trying to keep it quiet?

If you have any proof of people glitching and you post it here, it will just get erased anyways, so you should just send a tell to a TC guild leader with proof.

Evalakitten480:

Well, that just happened…Glad we were able to save it.

Yeah, you guys were just in time! It was fun though haha

I’m just gonna copy and paste my response to another thread saying the same thing:

Part of the issue is guesting. The other part is the basically giving out the free rare loot. I know from behemoth Ive gotten 2 Final Rests in 8 attempts. That’s basically a free 30/40 gold in 8 kills. Not to mention that every dragon and several others basically give a free rare now every time you do it, so you’ll have LOADS of people just from your server going there, I mean, you’re there for the free rare, why not them? If you’re on a high pop server, a lot of the over flow issue is probably just because they have low server populations to save money, and too many people want their free 30s. Guesting I think only is a small part of it…

Part of the issue is guesting. The other part is the basically giving out the free rare loot. I know from behemoth Ive gotten 2 Final Rests in 8 attempts. That’s basically a free 30/40 gold in 8 kills. Not to mention that every dragon and several others basically give a free rare now every time you do it, so you’ll have LOADS of people just from your server going there, I mean, you’re there for the free rare, why not them? If you’re on a high pop server, a lot of the over flow issue is probably just because they have low server populations to save money, and too many people want their free 30s. Guesting I think only is a small part of it…

Score update: (great fights by the way!!)

It might be, I haven’t tried it. It would be interesting to know though.

You can if you were fairly near the wall to begin with, and the mesmers get really lucky. It’s not consistent, in anyway whatsoever that I have found….But I do understand the frustration. Just know that mesmers get equally frustrated as many times when we do a pull and it does nothing, or you bounce off the stupid ledge haha.

I understand the issue with the bug in the obstacles..but people are saying that the SKILL should be fixed or that it is OP, etc….but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the skill. It has nothing to do with the mesmer pull. It has to do 100% with the obstacles. You’d get the same result with any other pull, or any knockback. So, I think lots of our confusion was why are people ripping on a skill and a profession which has nothing to do with the actual problem?

Entropy.4732:

Asura can ride charr as mounts for the week.

I support this. AND catapults can fire characters (BUT be careful! You could die from fall damage…or just being slammed into a wall at high speeds)

The only thing I hope for is that the new WvW system is not a grind gate like fractals is. I hope that the new reward system is something where you don’t have to “focus” on getting specific goals, but that they just flow naturally by playing WvW as WvW instead of a “I need to get a kill _ X times for achievement __, so I’ll only focus on killing them.” I just want to be able to keep doing my WvW, without it becoming just another annoying PvE-like grind.

One example would be if all the reward ways were just be killing, say, certain professions X times. Then I would expect people to just only focus on ganking upleveled people and ignoring the objective play in order to be able to get the new benefits. Progressing by objective play is key

If the big problem is pulling through the gates, I wonder, how often does this really happen? Yes, its a bug, and it should be fixed, but if this is the issue, than nerfing the skill would be islly.

If the issue is people chain pulling off walls, then there is no nerf needed. It takes coordination to do that many pulls in chain, and even then, after all that coordination, it doesn’t always work. Just remember, the pulls don’t just pull straight horizontally, it pulls in the direction of the “mark”. And I believe it pulls from your “center”, which makes some sense. So, if there is just a ledge, than being pulled many times constantly over the edge makes sense.

I have had MANY times where I put a pull on a wall and activate it, and even people on the edge just nudge to the side or go the wrong way.

SO, besides the “bugs” in the WALLS/DOORS (NOT THE SKILL), I see no reason why this skill is any more OP than people knocking off walls or off bridges. If there are bugs in the obstacles, than they should be fixed, but then arguing that the skill is OP is then just silly ranting, since its not the skill that is OP or bugged. All in all, I see no reason why some people are getting so adamant that the skill is broken. All evidence is pointing to the obstacles being broken, NOT the skill (since the SAME happens with chain knockbacks, but of course no one mentions those…..)

Maybe it’d be nice to have some “scaled” nodes somewhere? Where the ore you get is scaled to the level of your character. It might not be ideal, but the problem I think with just putting in orich. ore into WvW is that people could just create new alts and farm the nodes constantly at very low level (since in PvE you can only get the ore in lvl 75+ zones). And then make the respawn daily like orich nodes. Maybe that way the level 80’s can get our Ori ores (and put them somewhere difficult, like near lord rooms, or in other areas of the map, but not too far away from objective areas).

Just an idea.

The quaggan nodes, instead of hitting you for damage, suddenly transform all those hit into mini-quaggans, and you have to stay transformed for 5 minutes. You’d have no attacks, just run around as a quaggan.

OR:
There can be a spontaneous event in any keep where skritt “burrow” into your keep and start to muck up the place. You know, apply stuff onto siege that makes it backfire, apply slow tar on stuff, etc. Just cause general chaos until you kill them.

Honestly, I don’t have stability, ever (unless given to me), and I almost never get pulled off the ledge. As someone who pulls, most of the people who I pull off are the ones who jump up onto the side of wall and stand there for 3-4 attacks.

Just an observation.