Guild Wars 2

If an alliance system featured limits on alliance participation (guilds per alliance and wvw-participants per guild) of the sort leaked on Reddit, then I’d give up WvW.

Whether the limit is 3 guilds or 12 and whether the participating-player limit is 100 or 300, that will create a Procrustean Bed on which size guilds are allowed to participate.

Worse still, if my alliance is limited to N guilds, then I’ll have to constantly harangue players into participating so that our alliance doesn’t replace us with a guild who can field more players or field players for longer/better hours.

No. Don’t buy the expansion or return to playing for WvW in its current state.

Participation is low, fights are few and far between, and small group objective capturing is severely diminished.

Here are my specific replies:

• How many people are in your guild, and how many of them participate in World vs World?

I believe our roster is about 180 people. Our WvW nights (3 per week) typically get 10-15 participants.

• Do you find any of the Auras from claiming essential?

The +5 supply aura is absolutely crucial for our style of play.

Our players typically have supply mastery, so if we have 10 players we can carry 150 supply as a group. That’s enough to build 3 superior rams or 3 regular catapults. It is not enough to assault a keep with a reasonable chance of success.

We have worked around it so far by running supply from camps, but that increases risk to our group and saps our momentum.

• How many World vs World upgrades has your guild earned, what level are they, and how close are they to getting +5 Supply, in particular? Do you feel it is achievable? How much have they spent?

I think we have gotten through tower claiming and a few other WvW upgrades. Our guild level is 32 or 33 right now. It feels like we are far from getting +5 supply, as it still requires a long series of upgrades between where we are and that +5 aura.

We have definitely spent thousands of gold in resources, mostly in upgrades to our tavern, arena, and mine.

• How has your guild been obtaining the upgrades? Do you feel that this has taken time away that you would have rather been playing World vs World? Please be specific, such as “I spent 5 hours getting shovels”, etc.

We replaced one of our weekly guild event nights which was often World vs World play with a Silverwastes/Dry Top farming night for sand and shovels. This has brought lower turnout and is the opposite of fun. Typically we have 5-6 people turn up for this and grind materials for 2 hours once per week for the first month or so of HoT. Our guild leaders may have given up on this recently, I haven’t bothered to show up to most of them.

I have personally donated hundreds of gold worth of materials to guild upgrades, despite it detracting from personal goals with legendary weapons and ascended armor.

Talk of guild upgrade management occupies a moderate amount of time and attention in guild chat and on Teamspeak.

• How has the new system impacted you and your guild’s playing experience in World vs World? Would you prefer the new system or the pre-HoT system?

The pre-HoT system was vastly superior. I easily spent 3 times as much time in WvW before HoT.

I checked warscore first thing in the morning and last thing at night, and almost always responded to whispered call-outs from commanders. I would log on before work to re-capture some camps, tag siege, and queue upgrades on our structures or to assassinate some enemy yaks or even sneak-build a treb in SW camp to harass bay walls.

Since HoT, I couldn’t even tell you what color our team is for the week, have no idea if we are winning or losing for the week, and don’t know or care how our Glicko ranking has evolved.

It’s a night and day difference. I can’t remember how or why I used to enjoy it so much.

• If you could change one thing about the Guild upgrade system, what would it be?

It’s shockingly expensive and most of it can’t be achieved in WvW.

Cut the costs of getting a +5 aura and claiming a camp to a maximum of 200g. Just sell all WvW upgrades from the Guild Initiative office NPC for gold only. They should not depend on a Tavern, War Room, Workshop, and claiming a Hall.

Small WvW guilds should be able to contribute and participate and capture walled objectives.

I’ve worked out the availability of the +5 Supply upgrade myself in theory.

I began with the [Guild Hall Upgrade Calculator tool](https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3r3lq3/guild_hall_upgrade_calculator_v10/) and fixed one minor mistake in it (price of Bottle of Elonian Wine is too low).

After that, I worked out two upgrade paths to achieve the necessary constraints:

1. Guild Level 37
2. Aura 8 (Supply)
3. Auras 1-7, which are required according to the War Room Proprietor interface, wiki, and spreadsheet.
4. Claiming: Stonemist Castle, required for Aura 7
5. Aetherium Capacity 5 (Required for Claiming: Stonemist Castle)

From this basis, I worked out two sets of guild upgrades. One that takes the cheapest/fewest possible upgrades and never upgrades Mining Rate (mining rate upgrades are expensive).

The second also rushes up Mining Rate to Rate 4.

The cells at the bottom of my spreadsheets (row 170) total up the Aetherium cost and calculate the time requirement for base rate (every 60 seconds) and — relevant for the route that features rate upgrades — also Rate 4 (every 25 seconds).

Cheap and slow upgrade set (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mugfDr0KhsGnV1BUJloXsjAvxqq_6zwvCViT4y3vk3s/edit?usp=sharing) – 5197g 46s 27c and 161 days at base rate.

Expensive and fast upgrade set (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EE0SSa5xoefpKyYhWohu0XVogBe5lHAiCjaMTHUroJE/edit?usp=sharing) — 7185g 05s 44c and 72 days at Rate 4.

I also know that my fast route isn’t the absolutely fastest possible. If I’d optimized for the best rate of Guild XP to Aetherium then the fastest possible time would be closer, possibly down to 55 or 60 days of mining time, but the gold cost would be higher.

ArchonWing’s comment accurately sums things up.

I agree. This is sensible and important. The first Objective Aura is now Magic Find, which is not very important for a small or low-ranked guild, since they could only claim Supply Camps and Towers until Guild Level 22 anyway.

Diku.2546:

@Heimlich

Comforts…

That’s going to get really expensive to ask for a daily slap for “$50” in my opinion.

Hope that didn’t come out sounding too perverted.

Oh…meow!

It looks like I’ll play Heart of Thorns for dozens of days, so the daily slap-in-the-face price will be more reasonable. I did buy the $100 box as well, so if I make it 50 days each daily slap will only amount to $2.

Diku.2546:

Also, it would be nice to have the Guild Upgrades that I had access to previously before HoT launched.

Still hoping that the powers that be…will do the right thing.

Don’t punish the Little Red Hen Guilds that un-locked many upgrades in fair play & with hard work.

Guilds that didn’t un-lock the upgrades should need to work on earning the upgrades with any new guilds that start now…since HoT has launched…in my opinion.

I’m still trying to find my inner peace btw…as one fellow WvW here on this forum might say.

Yes, losing access to upgrades and features that we used to have, and placing them behind a wall of 7000 gold is very disappointing.

coolcat.4638:

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned at all because it is so far away from most guilds and so dang expensive right now is tactics. Before HoT dropped and it was in beta and we found out cost of tactics, it was actually interesting in a tower or a camp cause we wanted to try the new tactics. Waiting in camps for a dune buggy or towers for a dragon banner. I wouldn’t mind auto-upgrades to stay the same way if tactics became attainable instead of bank breaking like rest of stuff.

Tactics consumables are very expensive to craft. Crafting one instance of Sabotage Supply Depot requires 75 Flax Fibers + 1 Resonating Sliver. The material cost is over 5 gold per use.

That’s the lowest tier of consumable with a weak effect (denying supply at a captured objective).

Zioba.6182:

Hello WvW players! Here is your FREE daily slap in the face!

Free? I paid $50 for HoT.

Faux Taux.9834:

atheria.2837:

Nedus.6952:

DeWolfe.2174:

As I’ve posted many times, Guilds should not be prioritized in WvW, period! Worlds need to be a cohesive military force. Buffs need to be available to every soldier of a World because they all matter equally. Not gating buffs to social cliques, especially to only the largest large social cliques at that.

The entire design concept of gating WvW buffs to guilds is a complete failure….

With all respect to guilds i must say i agree with this. If you are a WvW player, you are a WvW player. Period. It doesn’t matter if you are in a 300 man guild or a guildless lone wolf. As long as you are an active member that does stuff, you deserve the possibility to earn your buffs

Guilds deserve some “extra stuff”, since they are, well, guilds (which should mean a group of people who play with the same mindset for a common purpose). But making +5 and such SO much related to guild (and ONLY to guild) is disrespectful for the guildless WvW players that yet do a lot of work and deserve credit.

The small guild and the solo player have been left out of WvW completely.

^^^ This. Our small WvW havoc guild has now rolled up to the conclusion that we are no longer valued. Would we grind for a guild hall if +5 wasn’t so far out of reach?

Yes.

But looking at the time it will take with 5 or 6 of us, out of the question (last check from Guild2 to +5 requires more than 678 gold in materials). Right now to toss out 1 guild cata we NEED a minimum of 4 players. Groups smaller than 4 are no longer effective.

I have very bad news for you on this front. Aura:Supply Capacity requires a Guild Level of 37 to research (plus several other tech items in guild research).

The cheapest set of upgrades I could find to get guild level 37 and meet the other requirements cost over 7000 gold.

The Plus 5 Supply Capacity bonus is now a Guild Level 37 upgrade. The shortest/cheapest path I could find through the prerequisities costs 7000 gold and 50 days of Aetherium mining.

The Tier-1 consumable Sabotage Supply Depot requires 75 Flax Fibers to craft for every use. That costs over 5 gold at today’s market prices.

These are replacements for pre-existing gameplay features from WvW that were previously far more accessible.

A lot of other games do things like that, that would be a handy feature.

Olvendred.3027:

Stop playing GW2 for a while. Seriously.

This is definitely the best advice in the thread.

You describe yourself as an “addict” and it seems like indulging your addiction is harming you. Stop playing for a while. Nobody ever resolved an addictive behavior by indulging in it more.

Also, you are chasing a tiny reward. If you buy gems from ANet and convert them to in-game gold, you can get 10 gold for about $2 (USD).

Laxus.3062:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Most even matchup IMO. The difference between the 1st and last is not even 5k.

Btw, just overtook SBI for 2nd place.

l2p legit..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFITLP2NGaI

nuff said

Watch your own video again. When you target the treb, it shows the Siege Decay icon, which now only appears for friendly siege. Those were SBI trebs inside SBI’s citadel. Yaks folks went in to kill SBI’s glitch-built trebs.

Presumably YB will stop going into SBI’s citadel after SBI stops using its Citadel to make otherwise unreachable trebs.

DanyK.3842:

Taggund.8936:

My general thought has been, what if when you zoned into WvW or switched maps, your supply went to zero. Would make for an interesting reset, and no longer would you be supplying a zerg by using seigerazor on other maps. Camps would be a much more strategic target to upgrade and defend.

Move alt account on enemy server. -> Keep zoning in and out after taking supply. -> Waste enemy server’s supply very effectively. I know there are people who’d try this.

Buy a stack of ballistae and you can grief supply (and cap enemy siege) already. This is an existing problem.

So SBI is siege-griefing and supply-griefing Maguuma now too? Don’t worry, Mag, SBIs forum-goers ensure me that it happens to all their opponents, so it’s totally normal.

denimdan.8642:

chickenmagican.3489:

Natronix.9827:

Arya Whitefire.8423:

denimdan.8642:

thx yaks for somehow getting in to sbi spawn on sbi Bl and killing our omegas, you guys rly are that low…

Considering that we still have SBI spys from 3 weeks ago operating against us, consider it just a small amount of the payback you’re owed for your own server’s cheap tricks.

You guys are below pathetic. I was on during it, ppl spent money and time on those. And for you guys to admit here on public and saying its a payback from something we cannot control?( spies)

Match manipulation is a scrubby move, but this is just off the charts.

on SBI spys —- we can’t control them.
on 1 person from YB said pay back —-- OMG “you guys rly are that low…” .. “You guys are below pathetic”

Go generalize other server base on 1 person and QQ when people generalize your server base on a few…..

BTW, SBI/YB/EB has 30 pages and lots of QQ, maybe SBI can do it again, make it 31 pages to become the new record!

if it was just 1 person hacking in i wouldn’t have said anything, but no its about 20 that did it all from different guilds on yaks, so yea we can generalize here

Probably just looking for something else of SBIs to cap and/or SBI to fight. I wasn’t there for the attempted Citadel cap (I see that you still have it, so good defense, btw), but I saw all of SBI fighting from the invuln spot SW
of Citadel earlier, I’d assumed that is how y’all like to do it.

Say hi to SBIs griefers and trolls who have been wrecking golems, wasting supply, siege-locking, etc… since reset. Should I pull up the screenshots of notable SBI folks running parties with supply griefers again?

Buffy.9246:

Heimlich.3065:

Evilzara.6378:

Khayoss.2019:

We have fortified towers and a waypoint in our keep as well as having our stuff sieged to the hilt in EBG. Once we repelled the ktrain a couple times it stopped rolling on our stuff. It took about 10 of us a few hours of solid escorting and supply running to build the siege… Do that and then they will find softer targets.

Meanwhile you have 2 wood keeps in your BL as well as many wood towers with like 5-10 defenders.

Nope, YB hits BP.

From the looks of the livemap, the YB karmatrain is rolling through EBBL right now. Bay is red, as are SE and SW towers. All 3 south camps were red up until a few minutes back.

So yaks take 1-2 towers and 3 camps…yeah they hitting you guys so hard. You have your keeps though!

Um, YB (my server) holds Bay on EBBL right now. It would surprise me if they don’t carry on to attack more keeps and towers.

Buffy.9246:

We didn’t lose our #1 commander. Kalkz rarely commanded for us. He just protected keeps.

It’s easy to fortify your stuff when yaks rarely hit you guys huh?

I’m on Yak’s Bend, so you are correct that Yak’s Bend rarely attacks my structures.

Anyway, I’m only giving you crap about Kallkz. He was clearly so eager for a YB kitten-kicking that he transferred to SBI so he could get it a week early.

Evilzara.6378:

Khayoss.2019:

We have fortified towers and a waypoint in our keep as well as having our stuff sieged to the hilt in EBG. Once we repelled the ktrain a couple times it stopped rolling on our stuff. It took about 10 of us a few hours of solid escorting and supply running to build the siege… Do that and then they will find softer targets.

Meanwhile you have 2 wood keeps in your BL as well as many wood towers with like 5-10 defenders.

Nope, YB hits BP.

From the looks of the livemap, the YB karmatrain is rolling through EBBL right now. Bay is red, as are SE and SW towers. All 3 south camps were red up until a few minutes back.

Evilzara.6378:

Sigh.. YB just keeps hitting BP and not Ebay.

I guess Ebay having a 18k lead is not good enough so they need more help to increase the lead.

I heard you guys lost the #1 Commander in NA. Of course you’re going to face tough times.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Isn’t this a conversation for the general wvw stuff?

You’re never going to get to 30 pages by yourselves!

1. Implement a 1-week WvW lockout following a transfer.
2. Implement level-locking for WvW abilities. For example (actual ranks & levels subject to change):
a. At level 5, unlock the ability to pick up supply and build another player’s blueprints.
b. At level 8, unlock the ability to operate arrow carts & ballistaes
c. At level 10, unlock catapults & trebs
d. At level 15, unlock Cannons & Mortars
e. At level 30, unlock Siege Golem Use
f. At level 40, unlock the ability to deploy your own blueprints
3. Ability to report players for WvW griefing.
4. Griefing penalties apply to a player’s primary + secondary accounts. It should be possible to identify related accounts from IP addresses, email address, guild membership, and inter-account mails.

Adahilia.3678:

nikkistar.1409:

Heimlich.3065:

Maybe it “happens” to every server that SBI faces, but it’s not something that I witnessed on YB in any other week of Season 1.

I’ll concur with this statement. As much as I wvw, last week was the first time I have ever seen an opposing server have trolls that transfer over to grief. That’s not to say, there hasn’t been in the past, but they may have been less obvious in their endeavors. Maybe this time, they were more blatant about it and didn’t care. Who knows? I just know, this is the first time I have ever encountered it myself.

In the 6 months I’ve been playing(only been on SBI), I have only heard of this happening 4 times and that has been with the SOR match, week 1, 6, 7 of league. What I would like to see instead of blaming an entire server for the actions of one or two people is for Anet to implement an easier and more effective way to shut these people down. It misrepresents those who try to play it clean, no matter what server you’re on.

I definitely agree with you on your final points. It should be possible to /report a player specifically for wvw-griefing (in its many flavors), it should be harder to do in the first place, and ANet should penalize players for doing it (including penalties on their primary accounts).

A week-long lockout on WvW participation following a server transfer would inhibit some griefing and level-locking siege use and blueprint-deployment would force the griefers to change tactics (i.e. require character level 30 before you can use siege and 40 to drop blueprints).

Liston.9708:

Tachii.3506:

etiolate.9185:

Is the uplevel draining SBIBL garri supply a Yaks Bend player? Are they still doing that? FA doesn’t have a reason to bother with that, so I’m curious.

No idea. It could very well be a player in SBI trolling ourselves for whatever reason. But this same guy was here last week. Have a tendency to follow Abyss. :/ Now he even talks in map chat deliberately trolling us in words too.

We had one follow us as well earlier in the week. I always thought the griefer(s) we’re actually from neither side, but simply claiming they were SBI or YB. Who knows really…..

In the prior matchup thread, there are screenshots of supply-griefers playing on the YB server who are in SBI guilds (specifically Collecting Loot [Bags]) and in-party with SBI players.

Perhaps that explains why SBI players keep explaining to us how supply-griefing happens to everybody. Maybe it “happens” to every server that SBI faces, but it’s not something that I witnessed on YB in any other week of Season 1.

With regards to map-management (both offense and defense), the best approach I’ve seen is to have 5-10 regular players, who are in your wvw guild, on your voice comms, and have some interest in maintaining your ppt to manage those tasks.

It’s not feasible to delegate those tasks to pick-up or irregular players, because they’re not very rewarding and can be pretty tedious.

If you can motivate a few people to be extra sets of eyes, ears, and hands for you, then wvw plays a lot smoother.

Melody Cross.8465:

this goes into the discussion i had with a guardian on our private forums recently. he’s a zerker running around with 20k health, and none of us could figure out how he got the numbers he quoted until he confirmed that all his laurels went into ascended trinkets and celestial ascended greatsword.

He’s got a difference of almost 4k HP compared to us, 20k with only food buffs to our 16-17. And his crit chance is higher thn anyone running exotics.

I think you need to clarify what you’re saying/claiming. You’re describing this guy as a “zerker”, but in the next sentence say he’s using a Celestial (not Berserker) greatsword.

A Wupwup Claymore gives 40 more HP than a Crystal Guardian (10g).

The maximum-possible HP gain from Exotic to Ascended (Shaman Weapon + Soldier Trinkets) is 1300. Vitality infusions could provide another 20 Vitality, or 200 more hp, for a grand total of 1500.

I thought this sounded familiar, so I found the thread on our forum. The 20k hp likely includes end-of-week Power of the Mists bonuses, which can give a 10% boost to max hp.

If you look at the last post in that thread, somebody else posts a full gw2skills link to his (similar) build, which has 17025 hp (before Applied Fortitude or Power of the Mists).

I want costumes and party hats that I can equip on NPCs in wvw objectives that I capture or my guild claims.

I’d also like the ability to put costumes or decals on golems.

(And yes, I would spend real money on both)

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Because they think they lost to very inferior servers which is unacceptable. It really hurt their EGO

But the ESO beta weekend is over now, as is Thanksgiving (which is only celebrated on SBI). Its well known that those are the reasons for their total loss last week.

#believe

quickflash.6314:

To be honest we have an alliance with everyone but the losing servers

Even without names, I (Angela) still recognize you, Optee, and Monk. Maybe I should spend less time in wvw.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

FA has already taken the lead, I don’t think the bandwagon server will bounce back after having 4k lead at the start. So, them finishing first is highly unlikely. SBI should be rightfully placed below us.

Well, that was pretty poor timing on my part, and boy do I feel foolish!

In any case, I’m sure SBI will rally in the face of adversity and overcome! Clearly, 2nd place in silver is rightfully theirs, there is no way they could lose it!

#believe

Heimlich.3065:

To be honest, SBI needs to focus on keeping the #1 spot in their current matchup. You still have a chance to tie for second if you keep it and YB finishes 2nd or worse in this matchup.

#believe

Whoops! While I was posting that, you lost 1st place. Maybe you should spend more time on your current matchup (rather than dwelling on old losses).

To be honest, SBI needs to focus on keeping the #1 spot in their current matchup. You still have a chance to tie for second if you keep it and YB finishes 2nd or worse in this matchup.

#believe

Straegen.2938:

It sucks but you have to think of everything as paper. It will all be taken and there is little reason to put a defense in anything besides keeps. Even then it only makes sense in some circumstances. In no case should you become attached to fortifications. WvW is an open field game with scoring nodes.

It takes a while before that mental adjustment can happen for a lot of players. It feels personal when another server is beating on your door and nobody comes to help. This is particularly bruising when there are enough players on a map to save it. Stings almost as much when it happens to PvDoor overnight. Sadly this is the environment and it is unlikely to change since it is fundamental design.

This is not the case on all servers.

My server, Yak’s Bend, plays serious defense, even on keeps deep in hostile territory. Our people respond to attacks in upgraded structures and it’s a big deal to us if we lose an upgraded structure without a serious fight.

The Structural/Upgrades tree (Reinforced Walls/Reinforced Doors/Fortified Walls) is not very strong for defense. Offensive siege is very strong. Superior Rams (18 silver + 50 supply each) with Ram Mastery 3 will demolish even Reinforced gates incredibly quickly. Omega Golems (65 silver, 150 supply each) can trash a wall in no time, Guild Catapults (500 Influence, 25 supply each) also destroy walls rapidly. Passive defensive upgrades simply don’t compare.

The Structural/Additions tree (Cannons/Mortars/Waypoint) is good for defense, though it does require player presence. One player on a cannon can halt an assault with Alpha Golems and/or Rams (the trick is knowing which cannons to use for each assault). Mortars can put a serious dent in an attack with Omega Golems and/or Catapults. A well-placed Trebuchet (with 2 ranks in Treb mastery) is invaluable in defending.

Of course, you can’t defend against any & all attacks single-handed, but with a few like-minded server mates and people in voice-comm, it is possible to play very strong defense, even when badly outnumbered.

As some other posters have suggested, Yak’s Bend may be a good fit for you. We typically have some coverage 24/7, but as an NA server, your (UK) prime-time is daytime working/school hours for most of our players, so we would welcome more coverage in that time-period.

earendil.1290:

Edit – somehow your post (were you admitted to winning objectives and let EB cap) was magically deleted – go figure

I actually said that something of that sort might have happened late in the week, after YB had locked in 1st, when it was lulzier and smarter strategically (wrt season score) to suppress SBI than to run up our own score..

It definitively did not happen early in the week, despite SBI’s insistence that YB & EB had organized a 2v1 on Saturday .

I deleted my post because I realized I was feeding an SBI troll, who is still sore about last week’s beating. SBI really should focus on holding off FA this week. From the looks of the maps, you need all hands on deck right now.

Asami.3572:

nikkistar.1409:

Xsorus.2507:

This……bloody this….I’ll never understand about Anet..

I can top that. I got an infraction for circumventing the swear filter by using the phonic spelling of the letter F out in a post.

I got an infraction for posting a GIF of a chick eating popcorn :c

Because Nachos > Popcorn

Lokan Tores.8736:

Man, the kitten sure is strong with Xsorus. It must really suck to be him. It’s no way to go about living your life.

As I said previously, there is no shame in losing to YB and EB. SBI may even finish above DB this week, I think that they’ll get a very solid 3rd in the league.

I’m sure it’s only a coincidence that DB has gotten supply-griefers this week.

Xsorus.2507:

Heimlich.3065:

Xsorus.2507:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Ebay is holding our Garrison despite pushes from YB and BP. We’re the masters of defense at this point. XD

Loving the fights in our BL right now, thanks to Sasha Flinkfinger and especially to Selma Haylek for helping us organize and keep our Garrison safe, and to help us push out enough to retake most of north.

EDIT: YB, watch yourselves, there’s a troll wasting supplies in our Garrison. There may be somebody who tries something similar with you guys, warning in advance. Same thing to you BP.

I am sorry, but believe it, NO ONE from Yaks Bend approves such disgusting things. Please report that guy and have others report him too. That guy is spoiling our image as a whole.

I won’t be surprised if some other server troll (not from YB, EB, SBI) was/is doing that.

Rofl….they should adopt Yak’s strategy, and start sending cheaters over to your side to “even” things up..

I believe that was the argument used last night hehe

To both EBay and BP: Please contact YB if you have supply-wasters or golem-trashers who are repping YB guilds or in-party with YB folks.

As I see it, SBI initiated the dirty-play last week (link) and some YB players responded in kind.

That escalation was regrettable and avoidable. One of our people tried to talk & de-escalate it (link). I do not condemn the purported YB people who retaliated. I would also note that our thread-visitor from SBI never condemned his server-mates who initiated the griefing.

If our people are initiating this behavior, please let us know asap. I’m confident that YB’s WvW regulars do not support first-use of such tactics.

Rofl, I said everyone who was caught cheating should be banned,

You also said that supply-wasters & golem-trashers repping SBI guild [Bags] were “Most likely its not someone from any of the servers in this matchup griefing”

Xsorus.2507:

I don’t care if they’re from my server or not…

You care enough to deny clear evidence that your server started it.

Xsorus.2507:

If you have account names of people who are cheating, bloody post them, and report them.

Done & done.

Xsorus.2507:

The fact that you don’t condemn people who cheated tells me that you’re not really someone who the other servers should take seriously. You either support it or you don’t, You’ve obviously decided to support cheating.

I do not support unilateral disarmament. It is unfortunate that SBI behaved in such a way as to provoke retaliation. I would prefer if SBI had responded to requests for a less-messy resolution to that affair.

So far, SBI has provided most of the trolling. I suppose that’s understandable when you’re ticking below FA and DB and down to no-more-than-1-waypoint.

I’m looking at (link) as I write this, and FA probably has 4 waypoints (assuming any keep they’ve held for more than 3 hours has a wp), DB probably has 3, and SBI can’t have more than 1 (in Lowlands).

I’ll keep that livemap up to see who papers Lowlands first. Will DB push golems out of Stonemist? Will FA rush Stonemist and follow-through to Lowlands? Or will FA push via Hylek? Its anyone’s game on this Saturday morning. Who will paper SBI first?

They seem unnecessarily embarrassed about losing to EB and YB. There is no shame in that loss for SBI, all 3 are fine servers. I even find it hard to stokemy personal rivalry with BP, now that they don’t have Kallkz trash-talking us all the time.

Xsorus.2507:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Ebay is holding our Garrison despite pushes from YB and BP. We’re the masters of defense at this point. XD

Loving the fights in our BL right now, thanks to Sasha Flinkfinger and especially to Selma Haylek for helping us organize and keep our Garrison safe, and to help us push out enough to retake most of north.

EDIT: YB, watch yourselves, there’s a troll wasting supplies in our Garrison. There may be somebody who tries something similar with you guys, warning in advance. Same thing to you BP.

I am sorry, but believe it, NO ONE from Yaks Bend approves such disgusting things. Please report that guy and have others report him too. That guy is spoiling our image as a whole.

I won’t be surprised if some other server troll (not from YB, EB, SBI) was/is doing that.

Rofl….they should adopt Yak’s strategy, and start sending cheaters over to your side to “even” things up..

I believe that was the argument used last night hehe

To both EBay and BP: Please contact YB if you have supply-wasters or golem-trashers who are repping YB guilds or in-party with YB folks.

As I see it, SBI initiated the dirty-play last week (link) and some YB players responded in kind.

That escalation was regrettable and avoidable. One of our people tried to talk & de-escalate it (link). I do not condemn the purported YB people who retaliated. I would also note that our thread-visitor from SBI never condemned his server-mates who initiated the griefing.

If our people are initiating this behavior, please let us know asap. I’m confident that YB’s WvW regulars do not support first-use of such tactics.

Andrew Clear.1750:

I don’t mind 2v1, that is a fair strat. What I mind is the kitten hats that transfer to other servers and waste supplies, and queue space. Get this dude off our server already, kitten . Tired of cheaters in WvW. Games are supposed to be fun, and no one has fun when other players are gaming the system.

I have no respect in whatever server these trolls are from (probably YB, since we beat you by almost 200k last time, and you somehow beat us this time).

Some individuals from SBI (one repping an SBI guild and another found in party with an SBI guild member) did the same to Yaks Bend. This started no later than Sunday night. People have posted screenshots of this in this very thread.

I don’t assume that the majority of SBI approves of this or the majority of its guilds, but the entirety of YB’s wvw population knows what they did and was unhappy about it.

In reality, it backfired. I’ve never seen YB so fired up as they were after the first two on the list wrecked dozens of our golems.

For the enlightenment of FA and DB: Here are the supply-burners, golem-wreckers, and spies that SBI used against YB this week. Put them on your friendslist and keep an eye out for them:

Art Department.2785
WhySoSupreme.6543
unclemusclez.6258
hithere.3578

Yerffejy.6538:

There’s a reason people call you Hax bend.

In a past matchup, we had a [FoW] warrior commander constantly getting into our spawn and killing golems in our spawn. You didn’t see us sending people to your server to do the same. It sucked, we moved on, and dealt with it. But good ol’ Yaks Bend, decides to justify sending someone right back at you to “even the score”.

Logic, for everyone. Wrong + Wrong = Right.

You can’t even defend your spawn from a warrior? You do know that you’re invulnerable in there, right?

Wolfey.3407:

I Iron Monk I.2103:

Yaks Bend is the Evil Empire all of you better remember that and Ebay are our Storm Troopers

Who’s Vader?

I vote for DK.

Mogar.9216:

I’m SBI so if you are going to flame know where I come from.

This week’s match has proven to be very interesting. It shows that when 2 evenly matched server get paired the 3’d weakest party can be a very effective king maker.

The question is , is this a good thing or bad thing? I see both side of the story. It is good because it gives smaller world a reason to go and play with the big boys. On the other hand it’s bad because the out come of a match up depends more on deals with other servers rather than your own server’s play, it make it into more like a survivor kind of situation.

What do you guys think?

I think it’s another demonstration of how disadvantageous it is to be in the 2nd place position in wvw.

You can see a role-reversal from the prior SBI/YB matchup timeline (http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/40/119) which shows the same phenomenon.

The contributing factors are not hard to see for people with wvw experience.

1. The first place server is only threatened by the 2nd place server. This makes it more profitable for the first place server to take the 2nd place server’s structures (because it widens the gap more than taking territory from 3rd).

2. The third place server plays smartest when it attacks the 2nd place server for two reasons:
a. Taking structures from 2nd narrows the gap between 2nd and 3rd most, which makes it more likely for 3rd to catch up.
b. The 2nd place server typically has fewer numbers and worse upgrades (especially waypoints), so its structures are easier to capture than 1st.

In response to those factors, it’s hard to rally your players to show up to fight an uphill battle.

ANet could do more to make it fun and rewarding to play while in 2nd place, but a comeback from 2nd to 1st is terribly difficult as it stands.

In our prior face-off, SBI came out incredibly strong on reset night and YB’s morale was low after getting roflstomped by FA. Additionally, SBI gave us a real education on the value of capping-for-the-tick.

In this match, YB played a stronger reset night and rallied in response to SBI’s monday-morning counteroffensive.

Miss Firesss.3704:

RyuDragnier.9476:

kitten SBI, you really want to feed us bags in Garrison, don’t you? We just wiped you out of Garrison for the 3rd time, and we’re still being fed bags by you right now. But keep doing it…ONE OF YOU SHALL GIVE ME MY PRECURSOR, AND LIVE IN INFAMY!

Mmmhmmm, and how many supplies do you have in your Garrison right now?

Does SBI have someone wasting eBay’s garrison supply too?

It’s things like this that make borlis.org is the most entertaining wvw site I’ve ever found.

DB is an oceanic server. At the time of this post, it’s just after midnight (end of Friday night) in Singapore and Taiwan.

Lots of people play video games on their local Friday night. DB has frequently pulled out sizable points-gains on Friday, like in your prior match-up with them http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/117.

Anyway, please continue the paranoia and we’ll see you guys in 2 weeks.

Signed,
Amused Yakbender

Rainshine.5493:

… condi duration + condi damage is “niche”?

It’ll be a bit situational.

If you’re using any exotic Condition Damage Major gear, it will give less +Condition Damage than a Master Tuning Crystal (since every condition damage-major set has Vitality or Toughness bonuses).

Also, +Condition Duration doesn’t stack above 100% (after offsetting by -Condition Duration), so a condition-heavy build may not need the extra.

It might allow a condition build to reallocate some upgrades or trait points while keeping the same total +Condition Duration, but, again, that’s pretty situational.