Guild Wars 2

Malchior.5042:

Helcor.9527:

Harbinger.8637:

Pro tip: Bring stab or a stunbreaker.

So you mean bring certain professions. A true testament to balance.

Lol, seriously?!

All professions have stability access and a stunbreaker. This is just pure ignorance.

I will go ahead and post this again….

This is not logical.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stability

Given that information its obvious that some professions have it a lot easier than others in the stab department. And even than the amount of stability you can apply doesnt match the ridiculous amount of cliff avoidance you have to keep in mind while playing this map. I’m willing to bet that future wvw maps will have this same game play in mind.

Shpongle.6025:

hihey.1075:

The number of people I pulled off bridges in 30 minutes is insane.
Gotta love Temporal Curtain.

LOL I DO THAT TOO OMG LOL it’s so much fun roflmao xD

lol sounds fun….at first I thought only warriors were enjoying this map. HOLY CRAP! Balance…seriously.

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Helcor.9527:

Harbinger.8637:

Pro tip: Bring stab or a stunbreaker.

So you mean bring certain professions. A true testament to balance.

Every single profession has easy access to stun breakers. Every class has at least a moderate amount of stability. Every class as the ability to dodge. But most importantly:

Every class makes the choice to stand near a cliff.

Need to get that gate down that is on a bridge? Use a catapult instead. Want to kill that guy near the edge? You are taking a risk and probably falling into a trap. Worried about stealth throws? Bring stability, stealth or stun breakers and stay away from ledges. Travel in packs. You can’t be surprised if you constantly lose 5v1s, so bring your friends along with you! It’s more fun that way.

This is not logical.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stability

Given that information its obvious that some professions have it a lot easier than others in the stab department. And even than the amount of stability you can apply doesnt match the ridiculous amount of cliff avoidance you have to keep in mind while playing this map. I’m willing to bet that future wvw maps will have this same game play in mind.

Swagger.1459:

Eotm= skyham on roids for zergs.

Spent an hour there yesterday and not impressed with the same old blob content. Pretty sure the novelty of this zone will wear off soon.

100% agree.

PvE people should not have to wvw. And wvw centered players should not have to pve. Its that simple. Whats so hard about that logic?

Dont worry OP. Most WvW people are disgusted too. Not only is wvw a complete disaster since launch as far as class balance is concerned but the “play how you want” aspect was never really realized as well. Its sad.

This is a huge joke. Almost like anet is trolling on purpose with this. WvW is the only reason i play this game and at this point looks like the reason im going to leave. This is garbage. Strategy? Its numbers all over again. Move away from this zerg kitten. You think putting a bunch of cliffs in this will make it “strategic” get real.

Zacchary.6183:

Paulytnz.7619:

Again I think a big part of the problem that people find with thieves is that they CAN spam certain skills (this one being the one that stealthes when used) and again I say perhaps if others can also spam weapon skills they could deal with them easier. (I know my flamethrower skill 5 would easily deal with them for example :P)

No the problem is:

Oh my god. They killed me. They are OP. <— mostly this.
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omgwtf10kouttanowhere while afking outside a keep.

yeah, and what about 5-20 ppl swinging, shooting, aoe’ing the same area trying to hit a thief long gone? Thieves are not thieves they are invisible warriors. Your story is OP.

I think there’s a very simple explanation for thieves and the frustration. If you cant see it, you don’t know if your hitting it. This will go on forever. If you see one and either die or a groups is aoe’ing and wildly swinging to hit something just think of it as comic relief. Theres no point at getting upset at a ridiculous mechanic like stealth. This will not change. Its a staple to MMOs. GUILD WARS 2 IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER MMO WITH THIS MECHANIC.

I was thinking of some ways to improve F2 skills for pets. Here is a set of suggestions:

1) Make them instant
2) Increase CD based on skill (to compensate for instant cast).
3) Add Blast finishers to some F2 pet skills. Sort of like if tail swipe(drakes) was an F2 skill. Add a knock back
4) Make leap type abilities to close gaps on players who are just avoiding the pet. Add some kind of bonus for landing a hit.
5) Combine speed training and commanding voice. Keep in Adept tier. This would work because of the increase to CD stated in #2.

Just throwing these out there. Oh and new pets!!!! More unique pets could add flexibility when creating abilities. Pleaseeeee.

Yes they are. we’ll see what the patch does.

Hammer build everyone is using its the most OP thing since the beta.

Hammer build everyone is using its the most OP thing since the beta.

Hammer build everyone is using its the most OP thing since the beta.

At first I sympathized with warriors glad to see they are actually having a good run after a long time of being under-powered in wvw but this is ridiculous. I would even go as far as saying this needs a quick patch right away.

At some point probably when the games in decline they’ll start introducing things like new weapons and race change etc…

Its strange, I can handle any other profession except this one in wvw. I rarely die except when I get that classic high damage steal + backstab and then whatever else that happens in seconds. Am i just unlucky with thieves in wvw? Every other profession doesn’t bother me. Any advise besides build around countering a thief? My current armor is 2808.

Please make it so I can get the ascended back piece other than running fractals. I just dont want to do fractals. Anyone else feel this way? Will Anet implement this in some other way at some point?

Dev response would be awesome. Im just wondering.

STOOOO.2681:

Excellent post mate. Rangers suck kitten big time. Ive been playing since day one my main is a ranger and since then they have been nerfed over and over. Even my healy guardian with 2.2k attak can own them. anytime i see a ranger in wvw i go straight for the ez kill.
my first char was a ranger and even now i managed to get with 3.4 atk and 3.6 armor and 24k hp it still sucks. it used to be so fun playing with it but now 100’s of builds later several exotic sets in bank waiting for the day anet pull their finger out and re roll and improve the class. it just sits on the login menu kitten. Every patch they kitten the ranger and buff the thief so guess what i made? now i own all rangers. they are the ez kill for me now.
Shame it got to this cause i did enjoy the class. but compared to any other class its weak as ****!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

btw i saw this for an ele and thought it applied to rangers too thats why i changed!!

I saw this a long time ago and still love it. In thieves defense the combo they use is hard to execute.

Combo: Steal, Backstab 2222222222222 or Steal, Backstab 1111112111111

STOOOO.2681:

Excellent post mate. Rangers suck kitten big time. Ive been playing since day one my main is a ranger and since then they have been nerfed over and over. Even my healy guardian with 2.2k attak can own them. anytime i see a ranger in wvw i go straight for the ez kill.
my first char was a ranger and even now i managed to get with 3.4 atk and 3.6 armor and 24k hp it still sucks. it used to be so fun playing with it but now 100’s of builds later several exotic sets in bank waiting for the day anet pull their finger out and re roll and improve the class. it just sits on the login menu kitten. Every patch they kitten the ranger and buff the thief so guess what i made? now i own all rangers. they are the ez kill for me now.
Shame it got to this cause i did enjoy the class. but compared to any other class its weak as ****!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

btw i saw this for an ele and thought it applied to rangers too thats why i changed!!

I saw this a long time ago and still love it. In thieves defense the combo they use is hard to execute.

Combo: Steal, Backstab 2222222222222 or Steal, Backstab 1111112111111

Invite please!!!

Genocide.4506:

This naked 80 thief was running around and i decide to stab her from behind she let me do it again and again

man the way you worded that lol

thefantasticg.3984:

Two things I’d like to see:

Perma-Stow pets during combat and DPS given back to Ranger.
Search and Rescue rolled back to res defeated players.

If they did the perma-stow option…. I’d be in Heaven and stop hating on the Devs for their views like those that Jon Sharp has pointed out in the STOG interviews.

Perma-stow pets is what I would like to see as well. Although pets are a rangers “thing” like virtues are to a Guardian, I doubt they will ever do this. In wvw the pet dies almost instantly unless its a small group encounter. If they did it just for wvw id be extremely happy with that. That or a rework of pets where they feel like an extension of the ranger and not the ranger being a forced extension of the pet.

Also blast finishers coming from the ranger and not the pet would be nice. I saw its speculated that maul will be getting a damage increase. I always thought a blast finisher on this skill would be great. This would synergize well with healing spring then maul.

I started out on Yaks Bend and moved to Fort Aspenwood a few months later. Im back now(not sure how long) and looking for a wvw focused guild. If theres one like this out there then send me an invite please!

Conan.8046:

ps: rifle 5 only outshines overcharged on PvE, other than that; it’s to telegraphed, easy to predict and awkward to use against skilled players, not to mention skilled players will laugh at a warrior for using rifle to begin with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5FiSGEhyxM

= Warrior forum isn’t laughing at him. Although it has funny bits in it to be fair.

Wow. Thats amazing damage. Looks like fun too.

VIVorcha.7853:

It would seem that for you, the wrong “tone” is one of reason and disagreement with your opinion.

Anybody who uses “effing”, “em”, and “bah” in a single post has immediately lost all right to participate meaningfully in the discussion.

Not to mention you’re defending something that goes against the very ideas that Guild Wars 2 is trying to promote in MMOs.

Rangers are not bad, they’re amazing. My new character is a Ranger and after playing him, I feel slow and clunky on my Engineer compared to the mobility and evasion provided by Greatsword, Longbow, Lightning Reflexes, and Signet of the Hunt.

Good point about mobility. I made a build last night and forgot to put my MANDATORY 10 points in Tools for speedy kits. Big mistake in wvw.

wish.1027:

Helcor.9527:

DanH.5879:

Galsia.4102:

Considering he hit you with CnD twice, it had to have been 4-5 seconds. If you’re not capable of reacting at all in that large amount of time, I’m sorry, maybe WvW isn’t the place for you.

yeah, please delete the game too

Please get a calculator. The 22,224 damage is only up to lightning strike…..also there is something called a down state in this game. Guess you both forgot.

loeffingl, After reading your comment I looked at the attack order and used a calculator.
He was alive until Wild Strike, which is why Lotus strike isn’t listed, it got the invulnerable message and didnt connect for damage, which means the engineer would of been alive for 3 seconds after he initially got hit. Which is plenty of time to avoid getting killed if you have any idea what you’re doing, he didnt even use his heal, or dodge roll at all after bask venom wore if it was even used. (Bask venom lasts 1.5 seconds) So, even if you didnt have a stun breaker, you were alive and doing nothing to prevent damage at all after bask venom wore, if is was even used. So ya, L2P, nothing to see here, guy who builds for all damage died to a guy who builds for all damage in 3 seconds.

Oh, the other thing this shows, as he was able to mug/cnd/backstab you, is that he walked up behind you outside of stealth. So if you had any situational awareness, or bothered to ever like, look behind you, youd have seen him coming.

How did I magically get more health than the 22,000 I had? Makes no sense. Btw, thats not low health for an engineer. Nice try though. He used 3 moves. Thats it.

Im assuming this is what happened considering its in the log.

Steal 2,545 damage
Cnd 6,846 damage
Backstab 10,954 damage
Lightning Strike(im assuming this was from a sigil/steal idk no one else was around) 1,879

TOTAL = 22,224 damage.

DanH.5879:

Galsia.4102:

Considering he hit you with CnD twice, it had to have been 4-5 seconds. If you’re not capable of reacting at all in that large amount of time, I’m sorry, maybe WvW isn’t the place for you.

yeah, please delete the game too

Please get a calculator. The 22,224 damage is only up to lightning strike…..also there is something called a down state in this game. Guess you both forgot.

dovrak.4376:

Helcor.9527:

Pavel.8531:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Fighting-thieves-in-WvW

Helping you out. Btw I am a thief and engis(good ones) are even worse than guards to 1v1.

Thief damage is high. Too high.

Didn’t you face fresh air S/D eles? or actually shatter mesmers? They’ll take you down whitout even going stealth. And necros can burst equally high these days. To say that thieves burst is op isn’t only false, it’s outdated.

Really? Faced a Burst mesmer today almost got me.. I had a guildie back me up and he probably would have got me if not for that BUT I can understand that due to the fact I was focused on someone else. The thief and a one second burst of 22,000 damage…. Outdated. Give me a break.

Xae.7204:

Pavel.8531:

Are you happy now, that I linked you the previous thread? Search next time. Btw note the “the day I lose 1v1 against thief on my engineer is the day I uninstall GW2” comment. But of course, it’s not your skills that are lacking, it’s the class that is OP(the general noob belief).
/thread

And of course it is never that people are playing an overpowered class. It is always that every other class is full of noobs.

Yeah dont you know L2P yet?

22,215 damage is normal in less than a second with no constructive advice. Still HOW? At least post how you achieve this damage thieves……

Pavel.8531:

Are you happy now, that I linked you the previous thread? Search next time. Btw note the “the day I lose 1v1 against thief on my engineer is the day I uninstall GW2” comment. But of course, it’s not your skills that are lacking, it’s the class that is OP(the general noob belief).
/thread

Thanks!!! I +1 your comment hopefully the devs will see this

Pavel.8531:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Fighting-thieves-in-WvW

Helping you out. Btw I am a thief and engis(good ones) are even worse than guards to 1v1.

This is interesting could you give me the build that burst me down that quick in a second? Id just like to see what im up against.

Also Ive seen the video on there. For spvp running things like net turret are fine but in wvw you can easily find yourself outnumbered(sometimes by a lot). Just an example.

Thief damage is high. Too high.

Kaon.7192:

I’m sorry, but are you seriously running dual pistol as your only weaponset? I would recommend swapping one of the elixers for a Grenade kit as it synergizes much better with Carrion, offering better Direct damage and Condition damage in AoE AND more on-crit condi procs. Then I would swap the offhand pistol for a shield and use it mainly as a defensive set for the 3,4,5 skills. Grenade kit tends to handle Thieves especially well since you can spam AoE’s around yourself and eat through their tiny HP pools while they try to position in stealth for a backstab.

This really does seem more appropriate for the Engy forums… Mostly a L2P thing.

Already posted there…..only one comment

“Thieves are broken and overpowered. This is known.”

lol

Galsia.4102:

Helcor.9527:

Galsia.4102:

Helcor.9527:

22,215 in a second. Maybe less. Please explain how to counter this with no reaction time allowed?

Considering he hit you with CnD twice, it had to have been 4-5 seconds. If you’re not capable of reacting at all in that large amount of time, I’m sorry, maybe WvW isn’t the place for you.

Maybe, although I seem to do well against other professions LOL

“Maybe” and “seem to” both don’t sound awfully confident to me.
Perhaps you should consult the Engineer forums for advice with dealing with Thieves, I’m sure they’d be much more accommodating.

I can easily edit those words for you. Guess my confidence has been shaken by all that thief damage ;D So how do i counter this in less than a second im here to learn….

Btw a thief dared me to post it here

22,215 in a second. Maybe less. Please explain how to counter this with no reaction time allowed?
Let me guess I didnt bring my anti thief build/traits/armor/skillzzz or I need to L2P ha

dovrak.4376:

Helcor.9527:

dovrak.4376:

You can do similar damage spamming grenades from 1500 range, and in aoe.

Not efficient

Is not efficient using pistol offhand, or no reacting at all, post this in engineers forums, they will laugh at you. Engineers are probably the best 1v1 in this meta, you have to use your skills sadly, and gear properly.

ok no problem. Posting now

Ghostwolf.9863:

Helcor.9527:

Travlane.5948:

you should NOT be taking 10k backstabs unless ur running basically 0 defensive traits and 0 defensive armors. what are you running on this guy? zerk? rampagers? carrion?

Carrion mainly. Still wayyyyyyy too much damage for literally a second

But not uncounterable, especially not by engineers.

No reason I should have to worry MORE about a thief than any other profession

Travlane.5948:

in a second? no way. not possible. L2C = learn to count (time) lol. srryall those take time to activate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM516m4f0bI

heres a high hit :P

This is worse than what happened to me, thanks for sharing this.

Travlane.5948:

you should NOT be taking 10k backstabs unless ur running basically 0 defensive traits and 0 defensive armors. what are you running on this guy? zerk? rampagers? carrion?

Carrion mainly. Still wayyyyyyy too much damage for literally a second

dovrak.4376:

You can do similar damage spamming grenades from 1500 range, and in aoe.

Not efficient

Galsia.4102:

Helcor.9527:

22,215 in a second. Maybe less. Please explain how to counter this with no reaction time allowed?

Considering he hit you with CnD twice, it had to have been 4-5 seconds. If you’re not capable of reacting at all in that large amount of time, I’m sorry, maybe WvW isn’t the place for you.

Maybe, although I seem to do well against other professions LOL

Travlane.5948:

oh allso ur 100% zerk gear with low hp on a low defense class. thats half ur problem. just as fast as he killed you…you can kill him just as fast regardless of class.

22,034 is low health lol

22,215 in a second. Maybe less. Please explain how to counter this with no reaction time allowed?

Let me guess I didnt bring my anti thief build/traits/armor/skillzzz or I need to L2P ha

Kalan.9705:

Yes, they’re called thief builds

lol

I’m bored running condition builds or hybrid condition w/small direct damage builds in wvw. I feel like im always having to give up damage in a build by using defensive traits, armor type, runes, etc. Not complaining just looking for something different. So are there any good wvw builds that deal good direct damage while still being able to survive. Im looking for both roaming and zerg/large group builds.

Thanks in advance!!

Dont worry OP this will be handled in time or the game will suffer.

3,704 post here. Are we getting the point yet?

This thief argument has been going on forever. Either the devs think this is fair or they are scared to nerf the damage.