Wait, someone else who thinks zerk guardian is a free kill in WvW! Finally!
Anyways, in Zergs Guardian is probably one of the most useful classes to have but not because of your amazing burst. Its due to:
1- AoE condition removal. Soldier runes + PoV can do wonders. Alternatively traited Virtue of resolve can clear 3 conditions party wide
2- WoR. Learn it, use it, love it. It can make a HUGE difference in zerg v zerg and even small group combat. It is most likely the most OP skill in WvW
3- Area control due to Staff 5, Hammer 5 and consecrations. You can block doorway access for quite a while if you can coordinate
So as you see, its more of a group utility rather than personal glory class. If you want solo roaming i would say roll a thief or Mesmer because no matter how good you are on your guard, any competent mesmer or thief will wreck you. I have a full ascended geared, thief mes guard and D/D ele and i can tell you that the first 2 classes completely wipe the floor with anything else.
Check his gear guys.
He is NOT using ascended trinkets, and i don’t think he even has exotic ones. In addition his spec is not DPS.
Come back once you get a full ascended zerker gear set.
erm … why would anyone die in that dungeon?
And there are non-zerker guards out there? o_0
Why would i take you in there?
Typical attitude on the guardian forums as of late.
Or it could be sarcasm, you never know, hard to tell over the internet
Its funny because you actually believe what you are saying.
Im well aware you can run zerker in as 30/30/10 but you will find thakittens not nearly as effective as lets say knights armor with boon duration or soldier runes because you will lack
- Armor
- Secondary effects from runes
Most of the ignorance or bias in this thread comes from the fact that people are used to being carried from other anchors, and hence they can afford to run DPS.
Having 5 people in TS kinda trivializes things.
However in a pug with 3 other warriors and a GC necro you will find that full zerker will not be helping you much and all your points become null
Even had that one teamate that keeps dying every 5 sec to Mai’s shadowstep? Ever had another mate who keeps DCing every fight?
These are 2 common scenariors in you see in pugs and have to make due. True guardians are able to give 150% of their current role in order to carry the party or distract the boss long enough for others to pull off the rez or simply 4 man the boss.
GC guardians like yourself cannot do any of the above because they have to use all their current toolbox just to stay alive.
And no, i am not advertising full PVT armor and accessories because they would be silly. Heck i use full zerker accessories myself. I am however against full zerker armor and weapons because even though you will be rocking 112% crit dmg, your role will only be limited to DPS and that of a GC
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I would say go for Soldier runes instead of boon duration. Assuming you are going to be mainly in zergs and small skirmishes, there are 2 things that will kill you:
Spike dmg when 10 people tunnel you
Condition spam when you have 20 stacks of bleed, poison, chill and now torment.
In both scenarios, 3 extra seconds of prot and 6 extra seconds of regen will not make much a difference, however, the ability to clear 2 conditions at a time will. In addition, rolling with soldier runes will alleviate the need to run signet at all, and you can use shelter, which will safe your life more often than you imagine.
My problem with the healway build is thakittens DPS output outside of retaliation is nonexistent. And on top of it, the retaliation dmg nerf made it worse.
Therefore outside of dueling setups anyone can easily run away from you when they see they are losing and even if you manage to keep up you will not be able to down them. In addition, dueling another bunker turns into a waste of time as no one can get the upper hand. Its still a great build when roaming with other glass cannons as you can be the initiator or whoever runs into guards first but at the end of the day, its a role the D/D ele does better.
Last but not least, S/D thieves can counter you pretty nicely and if RNG goes their way they can even down you
@ Nekroseth.5186
Well said.
Sometimes i wonder why i even bother posting on these forums because as you too noticed, everyone is too stuck up to give any sort of constructive feed back. Unfortunately these forums have turned into ego wars and ego stroking where people are more worried about taking credit for builds (lol at whoever said they came up with 30/30/10) as well as claiming the game is sooooooo easy they clear it while naked and only equipped with a zerker GS.
Back on topic. I still lol at these “i clear AR with full zerker and no cond removal” builds because in 99% of the cases these particular players are being carried by their teammates or by a proper anchor guardian. I have run the place over 15 times so far and have tried builds from full glass cannon to full anchor and i can tell you that unless every single teammate has proper party condition removal and partially geared for survival a full zerker set will be your undoing.
What i like about this dungeon is that it forces people to adapt.
You have 3 warriors in the party? Well better make sure you run soldier runes or PoV. You have 3 other guards in the party? Go ahead and run DPS
You have a balanced setup with support ele? Discuss ahead of time who is gonna focus on what.
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There is no such thing. Most competent guardians have at least a knights/PTV set (accessories can vary) with boon duration and soldier runes and ofc the almighty zerker set
Its silly to just have 1 armor set in this game when gearing is so easy and where play styles are defined by the gear stats you wear
You must be a very special snowflake then (just like every other pro in this forum) because EVERY SINGLE zerker i run with (granted a pug 99% of the time) is face planted more often than not.
1) Full zerker is bad. Aetherblade Strikers say hi
2) Condition removal = good, especially when getting those 5 stacks of confusion mid WW cast. Time to dust off those soldier runes eh?
3) Shelter = good, no need to elaborate on this
So please, keep these 3 points in mind the next time you run that dungeon so us “nub non zerker” guardians don’t spend 90% of the time rezzing you, kk?
Outside of AH Valor is good due to:
30% crit dmg
Retributive Armor (3-5%) crit chance depending on gear
Purity (lets you drop heal signet for shelter which IMO is far superior)
When you combine these with AH, you can see how useful this entire traitline is.
And i tend to lol when people bash the valor line yet they are willing to drop 30 points in radiance which has kitten traits in general just to get an overrated minor trait
I know there have been other posts on this but i wanted to re-emphasize the beauty of this new way of storytelling.
Everything was superb, from the style, to the voice-acting, to the sin city feel.
Keep this up Anet. We want more of this!
As someone who plays both your healway and the full zerker build i tend to find that the latter only works when:
1) 1v1 scenariors vs non bunker classes
2) 2v1 when you have the drop on them and neither are bunker classes
3) People who generally do not expect you to be glass cannon
Once you start fighting people for the second or third time they tend to remember you or your build so they are generally prepared and know what to look out for. If someone is prepared to avoid the focus 5 burst they can generally give you a run for your money, assuming they know what they are doing as well.
I have gotten trident, speargun and dagger while doing 2x dailies a day at least. It has been many months now since fractals were released and all i have to show for it is an underwater weapon on my guardian.
Im sorry but the current reward system for fractals is propostrous, culminating with the fractal weapons.
Doing a 1.5h lvl 44 run and getting ZERO rares/cores from the jademaw is beyond absurd. This is to add to the countless greens i get from the other chests and the Bind on Account exotic shortbow which is just like ANY OTHER shortbow on the Trading post.
Please fix this!
Fractal loot chests need massive improvements especially lvl 30+. Its a massive effort compared to world “afk” events or the braindead CoF1 even. Yet you get exponentially worse loot compared to either for your time spent in there.
You can get 25s + 2 rares (60 tokens = 2 lvl 70 rares) for a measly 10 min of ur life. Thats still more than i make during some of my latest fractal runs (Maw chest full of greens anyone?)
As someone with over 500 fractals completed i can also attest to the claim that fractal loot was hammered down a while ago. It changed from 4 rares + cores/lodestones to 1-2 rares with the occasional core.
Now you can also have runs with NO SINGLE RARES whatsoever.
Really arenanet, either improve fractal drops, increase the fractal weapon skin drops which right now are ridiculously stupid to consider working towards (RNG on chance to get skin + RNG on WHICH weapon skin you get) or introduce a worthy dump for fractal relics which either rewards you with rares, ectos, or maybe skins
Lets try this.
One thing the summation on the calculator doesn’t show is that with high crit builds Vigorous Precision (Gain 5 seconds of vigor when you deliver a critical hit. This effect can only trigger once every 5 seconds) is pretty much perma-vigor, which in turn is a LOT of survivability and AoE heals.
Im not sure if im seeing it right but your armor is rampager and you are going for the all stat jewelry…. Either this is a troll build or you actually believe condition dmg matters at all to the guardian.
up to fractals 19 only
Terrible advice. At 26 you start facing lvl 82 trash mobs. At lvl 30+ most of them will 2 shot you. Your DPS uptime is miniscule, since you have to openly avoid melee due to being a squishy. Whatever you gain as DPS, you lose by the low DPS uptime, as well as gain the headache of being a paper tower. Your Build is better suited for a warrior TBH.
You will have <13k HP, that means 1 shot by most boss attacks. You can do lvl 18 fractal with 0 agony resist. Whats holding you back is ur glass cannon build and set up, not your Agony resist.
PS: Doylak runes = worthless
That’s not whats holding me back at all. I have over 15k health 350 vitality with traits and dolyak runes. If you look at it closely I get tons of mini heals that add up in the thick of things. I’ve had conversations with 30+ guardians in fractals and they are scrapping their toughness for dps because it does not matter much when you get to higher levels. The faster things die the less time it has to hurt you. On your false comment about not needing AR for level 19. If you take a team into level 19 against the maw with 0 AR your team would all die from the first agony burst from him alone. You may like to pay for repair costs but I’m not a fan. That’s why I use the build I use because I actually know how to manage inside a fight. Just because you can’t run this build it does not make it horrible so hop down off your soapbox and try not to discredit people because its not the way YOU would play the guardian. Everyone has their OWN play style and its not really up to you to decide what works for everyone else. I just presented a build that works for me, Its not for everyone. But there is a chance that someone will like it and that is all its there for. No place in my post did I say that it was the end all be all build I actually said the opposite. And just a heads up I’m not squishy one WW can bring me to near full health from over half way down. Not to mention the shouts, justice, signet ect that I get to use as well. I’ve ran this through every path of every dungeon and had no problems as well. So what it really boils down to is…this build is not for you.
Not sure if you read the patch notes but life steal food now has an internal cooldown. So your WW won’t fill your healthbar any longer.
up to fractals 19 only
Terrible advice. At 26 you start facing lvl 82 trash mobs. At lvl 30+ most of them will 2 shot you. Your DPS uptime is miniscule, since you have to openly avoid melee due to being a squishy. Whatever you gain as DPS, you lose by the low DPS uptime, as well as gain the headache of being a paper tower. Your Build is better suited for a warrior TBH.
You will have <13k HP, that means 1 shot by most boss attacks. You can do lvl 18 fractal with 0 agony resist. Whats holding you back is ur glass cannon build and set up, not your Agony resist.
PS: Doylak runes = worthless
Armor = Full knights with Ruby or beryl orbs
Accessories = full ascended zerker
Weapon = PVT (so you don’t swap stats/runes when you get a legendary which is PVT)
Soldier runes are a waste because once you throw in Wall of reflection and Shield of the avenger you are left with 1 shout on a 30+ sec cooldown, so worthless. You don’t need the extra HP.
Assuming you throw in 20 in honor and from PVT weapon you should sit around 14-15k health which is plenty. Dodging > vit
Im lvl 48 fractal so i know what im talking about.
Cleric = worthless in PVE and semi worthless in WvW unless going full healing/boon duration (see healway)
Zerker armor and especially weapon suffers from too many stat loss on crit dmg conversion.
Most runes i also find worthless, If you are confy on HP, Ruby orbs currently offer you an amazing DPS option, you get 120 power, 84 prec and 12 crit %.
And if for a moment you consider divinity runes i will personally come and kick your kitten IRL…they are that bad and overpriced.
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Amins, try 10/0/30/25/5 instead. You gain 10% extra dmg from elusive power (25 point in honor), extra healing and HP as a bonus.
Of course, its requires to dodge pre initiation but it pays off.
OP, that trait set up is a complete mess. If you wanna specialize in a weapon, you need to choose only 1, otherwise you just waste points on needless traits.
- Zeal is prolly our kittentiest tree and noone ever goes beyond 10. So even if you like GS so much make yourself a favour and go 30 in valor instead of going further into zeal. Radiance is not worth past 15 points as GS IMO but some would argue otherwise.
- IF you want to focus on Sword (which i doubt because you seem like a typical warrior wanna be) you might consider going 30 in radiance for right handed justice and maybe take 10 in zeal for Trait II. The rest can prolly go whenever you like but PLEASE, PLEASE, take 5 in Virtues because you are gonna get F1 refreshed after each kill, and more might stacks never hurt anyone
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Did you really have to make a video to show how F1 spam works with 15 into radiance? Isn’t this common sense?
And its funny because if you TRULY wanna do might stacking you might consider might duration runes or heck even boon duration runes (2x monk, water, major sanc) to make it more efficient…you know when you are running anything OTHER than brain dead farm content.
And MAYBE mention that empower (staff 4) works REALLY well with boon duration and AH in general, cuz all those might stacks are gonna linger for 15-17 sec depending on runes and maybe food.
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We have strong melee dmg, condition dmg, ranged dmg, stuns, evasion, defense, and support. We can do everything! and you guys are complaining about having to waste a few slots for condition removal. It would be nice to have a condition wipe. One ability that removes all of our conditions …but we don’t rly need it.
You may want to look at what Signet of Stamina does.
..oh yeah! Wow I give up. This thread is useless.
So basically you have no clue what you are talking about, yet you keep telling others warriors are fine. How about you learn all the warrior skills before you come to the forums to voice your opinion next time?
Funny thing is, EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this thread who claims warriors are fine are either new to warrior (aka have no clue) and aren’t even 80 yet but have been amazed at 5 sig builds + GS
or
Main a different class and were recently owned by the 100b / frenzy combo
How can anyone with any tpvp experience claim warriors are fine in PVP? How can anyone who happened to meet a d/d ele or thief in WvW also make that claim? All you have to do is log into your friend’s guardian account for ONE DAY, to realize how much better that class is compared to warrior. Lets not get into how much better eles are at everything…