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You are not giving up prot and condi removal, if you go 30/20/20 with Ij, SY and contemplation of purity you will have ~14 sec of prot from SY alone + whatever else u get from SY and contemplation of purity combo.

Its a strong setup, give it a try.

Remember that SY is not target capped, so you get to cleanse your whole zerg and change all the condis into boons.

IMO, shouts don’t mix well with meditations, and now that PoV got fixed you have to sacrifice the rune slot just to get similar condi removal like before.

Since you are going for GS/Hammer, I would recommend a similar set up but go 30/20/20 instead, trait meditations in valor, 2H mastery in honor and trait F3 for stability in virtues. Those are your key traits.

You could also go 10/0/30/20/10 for more burst and DPS but u will lose stability and stomping will be frustrating

Keep in mind Monks focus scales @ 40% of healing power so with your same setup you could be looking at a heafty 2500HP heal per meditation. Add in the fact you can spam smite condition now, and it looks much better. In zergs you can combine SY with restore conditions for some zerg cleansing and IWIN button

All of you people QQing about guard mobility have yet to try Runes of the Traveler.

They are literally designed around the guardian.

All stats – good for guard
Boon duration – good for guard
Condi duration – good for guard
Perma 25% movement speed – hell yeah

Now you can chain hammer with GS or hammer and Sw/f while keeping up with the more mobile classes. I don’t know if you guys realise it but thanks to this latest addition, Sword 2 and GS 3 we are able to keep up with most classes but a GS warrior and thief.

Also I should add that part of the misconseptin comes from people associating full PTV gear with AH, since the very first original builds included a ton of PTV gear in there.

In fact, the term AH was also used in conjunction with anchor, and vice versa, so really when people think of AH, they think of full PTV and staff main weapon which we all know to be worthless sin PVE.

LIttle do people understand that valor provides some very nice DPS bonuses and when the AH/EM build is used in conjunction with full or nearly full zerker gear it will provide equal if not HIGHER DPS over the entire dungeon run compared to the standard glass cannon specs.

That’s because of 2 things:

- Trash mobs actually doing more dmg than the boss itself
- Overall higher DPS uptime of AH.

It is worth noting that if you have those ultra awesome stacked groups where everyone is on TS and execute an encounter flawlessly, the GC build will most likely come out on top, but for everyday runs, pugs, or when you don’t feel you need perfection, the zerker AH will come out on top.

Keep in mind a lot of the AH hate is coming from overinflated egos who feel they need to prove something over the forums, ie, “I don’t need AH to survive, im better than you all”

Its about ego really, and the need to sway away from the masses.

Also comes from a feeling of inferiority towards warriors and whatnot, as well as to prove that we guardians can survive based on dodges alone, just like everyone else.

Could also be that a ton of people ran AH for long time so now people want a change of pace.

Lastly, some loser started calling AH builds the “noob friendly” or “noob” for short builds, so it all skyrocketed from there.

Keep in mind that since there are no DPS meters in this game, people look at that 10k GS#2 and think, holy kitten deeeeps. Little do they understand about combat uptime and the like but hey, I don’t wanna start arguing with said loser again.

ya, im fine with that, xpt that you can’t really burst with a full PTV gear setup.
And you have no stability fyi

Brutaly.6257:

lol, ofc you can run full PVT in wvw.

73% crit chance with fury,from burning, your team or that you get hit.
53% crit chance
18,6k health
3160 armor
2274 power

its absolutely competitve today, if you fancy the play style, and it will be even more so after the 18th when it can be used with melandru and still maintain a decent uptime on fury.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQRAsd7elUgSD3GSOEfIFRuArHB8g+DXw1DIGxGC-jUCBofDim+I0EBBK7pIasFNERjtBoKbYqXER1mzFRrWGA9FA-w

Only 1 problem with that build: When was the last time you killed anyone with scepter outside of a burst comp?

IM trying to get a feel for your build.

I would say you run
0
0
30 I/_/XII
20 II/X
20 II/X

Gear seems either 50/50 valk/ zerker or 50/50 PTV/zerk

Not sure about your food buffs.
How am I doing?

Yep, what people don’t realise is that every utility A net is “buffing” is beyond worthless right now while they are nerfing our most useful ones through the PoV fix.

Do you really think people will stop using shouts after this update? At most they will throw purging flames in their build to make up for their lack of condi removal but all this does is actually forces players to give up either SY or Stand your ground.

Oh ya and if ur not using traveler runes you also wanna toss in retreat in there, so 4 shouts for only 2 utility slots instead of 3. I call this a nerf

If you never went 30 points on honor, you prolly won’t need to now.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Pure-of-voice-bug-gamebreaking-if-true

Let another nerf come this way

(Yeah yeah I know its a fix but considering the condi heavy meta, that bug was a blessing, for as long as it lasted)

Guess I will throw in Purging flames now and not bother going past 20 points in honor. Or kittening bypass honor altogether and stack Valkyrie gear and roll 2 meds

tanshiniza.8629:

Mobility is an issue but it’s one you’ll have to sit there and accept because let’s be honest no one is going to catch up to a greatsword warrior and to be honest if you try to you’re doing it wrong. If the guy legs it then consider it your win and move onto something else or do what I do and pick the squishy guy and drop him within 1 second so he doesn’t get the chance to run.

The squishy guy being what exactly? Staff ele? cuz that’s the only thing that times to mind which is squishy and won’t outrun you when pressured…or simply own you

Christos de Soufre.3802:

My face hurts when I see people actually having so much trouble with mobility that they have to run Retreat [e] or Traveler runes.

Not everyone is running healway
Nor do we want to be forced into staff as secondary weapon.

Meditation guards or any kind of balanced guard spec needs some kind of mobility boost, and right now these runes are the best option.

For PVE? No, no point anyways since you can swap utilities based on what u are doing, and you don’t need the 6 point bonus in a dungeon anyways. For WvW however its another story because more often than not you want to either keep up with your zerg, or with whoever is running away from you. And sacrificing a weapon and a utility slot for that is no good IMO.

In before “Guardian buff, warriors are fine”

- It basically allows you to swap retreat for a third utility slot
- Allows you to carry a second weapon set

In turn it will considerably increase chasing power especially when running Sword/Focus & GS

I would like to think of this more as a quality of life change. Min maxers should look elsewhere. However you COULD swap retreat for bane signet for that juice 180 power

Oh? so im a bad player now because im bursting you little bubble? Keep living in phantasy world friend.

There is a reason most guards are complaining that they are forced to spec 30/30/10 for most things, Yet here you are telling us all we suck and you are better, typical forum warrior

Ok people, you are going too far down the theorycrafting aspect of the game. Its true that a full zerker guardian running full DPS traits, something akin to 0/30/30/0/10 would most likely outDPS a warrior in group settings but this is due to 2 things

1) Guardian taking advantage of the warrior buffs
2) Guardian stacking every possible dmg % increase trait which are practically impossible to sustain, like unscathed contender

In a dungeon, where mobs hit back and AoE flies rampant, like fractal 40% or even CoF p3 you will NOT be able to sustain unscathed contender, even be able to have 100% DPS uptime. A fully offensive geared and traited guardian has 10k life. An equivalent warrior has 18 and has HIGHER sustain as well as hard dmg mitigation talents, like endure pain and shield block.
Therefore practically, a full zerker warrior will survive that much better and easier than a guardian and therefore will have higher DPS overall…as in the entire dungeon.

Ofc, we have some kitten theorycrafters in here who swear on glass cannon guardians but usually this is because:

1) They are full of kitten
2) They are testing their builds on stacked groups with another anchor guard and elie babysitting their kitten as well as a warrior providing banner support

Therefore yes, the guardian under very specific aforementioned conditions can outDPS warriors but it requires none other than warrior buffs in order to do so and is very impractical If u are pugging or are the only guardian

From the screenshot I would say at least 5 in virtues since he has 50% boon duration while the runes would give him 45.

Most likely he is running 0/5/30/30/5

tanshiniza.8629:

Hunter.4783:

That’s easy, every single decent guardian solo spec has been butchered either directly (healway) or indirectly through buffing every single class but us (and eles)

We can’t chase, we can’t run away, we can’t really take on most other roamer classes:

Thiefs own us 1v1…atleast until S/D gets looked at. And a thief can always run when taken low
Warriors are simply superior to guards in EVERY aspect now, they have better chasing power and best mobility in game, on top of it all
Necros slaughter us
The occasional condi tank mes also owns us

….
Need I go on? Oh ya, we can kill the occasional nub ranger or staff ele though….if they don’t make it to a tower or camp in the next 2 min.

Thieves are predictable and I just plan to have a counter in place for when they actually go in for the attack. D/D thieves aren’t a problem unless they catch you unaware cause you’re distracted fighting something else for example and when it comes to S/D keep applying the pressure don’t let him have a moment to breath.

Still haven’t lost a 1vs1 fight with a Warrior to date. Predictable and simple enough to counter. The new running away business can get you down but just take it as a win and find something else.

Necro’s I usually kill them before they can really do anything and the moment they do the condition spam I remove them and they’re left with not much else for a time. Just keep hounding them and they’ll drop.

Mesmers are that class that in 1v1 are pretty darn good but that’s all they got going for them. In group play etc all they offer is a few extra targets and some invisibility but hopefully that’ll be balanced out. Again when fighting them don’t let them breath since I see far too many people running around being torn to shreds by illusions instead of chasing down the real one constantly.

So guards are perfectly balanced and all the kittening and moaning on these forums is for naught? Awesome, good to know! Maybe its that all of us need to L2P this game even though we have over 1k hours on our guards. Just because someone on the forums claims he has no problem with 2 of the most overpowered classes in the game!

I love posts like yours. I realize forum kitten is something unavoidable and there is only a matter of time before someone comes out of the woodwork and is ready to ruin everything just for personal glory but come on people, stop being so kittening arrogant! Instead of openly admitting that our class has problems you HAVE to flex your kitten by throwing out garbage claims

That’s easy, every single decent guardian solo spec has been butchered either directly (healway) or indirectly through buffing every single class but us (and eles)

We can’t chase, we can’t run away, we can’t really take on most other roamer classes:

Thiefs own us 1v1…atleast until S/D gets looked at. And a thief can always run when taken low
Warriors are simply superior to guards in EVERY aspect now, they have better chasing power and best mobility in game, on top of it all
Necros slaughter us
The occasional condi tank mes also owns us

….
Need I go on? Oh ya, we can kill the occasional nub ranger or staff ele though….if they don’t make it to a tower or camp in the next 2 min.

Keep in mind Monk’s focus scales 40% with healing power now.

What IF we went 20/0/30/15/5 with zerker trinkets, celestial gear, divinity runes and traited meditations. Wouldn’t we get healing, DPS, burst AND tanking all in 1 build?

Dodge healing should be close to 1k, prot and regen from virtues. We get some small sustain from zealous blade. Fury from meditations, about 90%+ crit dmg…

Just some small brain storming but I can see this opens up some possibilities.

First of all: Great music choice for your video, I really like it

Unfortunately…its the only thing I liked. All you did was make a handicapped version of the bunker mid build used in SPVP
Your DPS is near 0 and your chasing ability is non existent. It takes you 2 min to kill ANYONE REMOTELY competent. (that first engie you fought was a clear nub fyi). Whats worse is that people can disengage from you and u have no way to stop em.

A condi necro or a condi engie will decimate you in WvW. A S/D thief will also own you.

In short, I really see no benefit to running your build, all you do is provide condi removal every 50 sec and that’s IT, your measly regen will not do anything in WvW where condi spam rules supreme.

Its not your build as much as it is the pathetic state of the guardie in wvw right now but your build serves pretty much no purpose. I could go a bunker warrior and have 5x the DPS you have, more CC, and prolly the same sustain

I am personally already loving the proposed guardian changes. Meditations have always been subpar and most guards have been locked into 30/30/10 (anchor) for group PVE play. its time we fix that.

The change to purging flames also allows better management with condi heavy scenarios outside of speccing 30 in honor or 20 in virtues. In short its a VERY VERY GOOD CHANGE

CMF.5461:

^ PvE (15 characters)

Ya,

However, people have tried to make meditation roaming guards to work but so far to no avail.

With the much needed buffs to meditations and condi removal outside of 30 in honor and 20 in virtues, this opens the window for more aggressive trait set ups.

Guardians have been pigeon holed into shouts since the very start of the game. Its time for a change.

Already im excited for these changes. Am thinking 20/0/30/x/x will be the backbone of the solo guard

Ok, chill the kitten out sunshines

The change to Purging flames will sort of alleviate the need to go 30 in honor in the first place. Elusive power is kitten and proccing it on purpose will net you a DPS LOSS.

Ah builds will go 20 max in honor, and either 20 zeal or 10 zeal and 10 virtue for traiting consecrations (or unscathed contender)

Non AH builds will not be forced into 30 honor for condi removal (we went ever elusive power being kitten no?) so you can stop at 20 or heck even 10 in honor and pick up 20 zeal or 25 virtue if that is your thing. Purging flames will sort of be mandatory with the way the game is shaping, but im excited, once

Crapgame.6519:

Sensotix.4106:

and seriously nobody can deny that he is one of the best guardians ingame

See, here you go again. Is it really that difficult to understand what people are telling you? Best is subjective. What makes you think he is the best compared to anyone else playing the game today? I mean seriously, how hard is this to understand?

People have asked what he does for the community. Does he post builds? Does he theory craft with other members? Does he critique builds, offer advise to people playing the game and reading these forums? Is he an active member of probably the best forum/community on the GW2 official forums?

Are we talking about America or Europe? Are you going solely based on player vs. player? If so, why? There are achievements and other things to consider when talking about best. There are over 3 million people playing this game and your boy isn’t even ranked one looking at the stats right now. Then again we also all know the reporting criteria in this game is horrid at best.

My advise? Take the constructive feedback, delete the thread, and start over but your mileage may vary I guess. I’ll give you a gold star though for gaining a lot of attention.

My advice? this is probably the most informative video we have had in a while. The only problem is that your ego can’t take it for some reason, so how about YOU delete this post? His video and the OP is fine. You are the problem

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Hmm, that’s funny. I don’t recall being interviewed….

Who the kitten are you? Exactly.

Amins.3710:

Love the “Best Guardian In Game” opinion.

Classic. Hopefully it’ll get you more ‘hits’ then respect.

Oh get over it, he is better than both you and me, you silly little egomaniac.

All you little attention starved little punks need to chill the kitten out. You are pathetic. What the kitten did I just read over the last page? Are you in the warrior forums now.

All you forum all stars aren’t even 1/10th as good as the person in question is otherwise YOU would be playing in that team. Being a forum hotshot does not make you any good at this game, so again, tale a chill pill, let your egos deflate, THEN post again.

@Sensotix.4106

Thanks for the video mate, it was very informative and helpful. Don’t listen to these little punks kittening and moaning because they are suddenly not getting any attention.

Are we all playing the same game here are do some people consider roaming simply clearing out the camps close to the spawn points.

Even IF you do not chance others you cannot run away from others chasing YOU. As the guardian is right now, it loses most 1v1s vs the notable roamer classes which have higher mobility to boot.

Unless you are very very close to a tower (which im assuming people who claim they are having no problems are indeed tower hoggers) you will not be able to escape any kind of 1v2 or 1v3.

The other classes have the tools to either win, or escape 1vx scenarios, guardians do not.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Hunter.4783:

Chorazin.4107:

I admire the attempt but other classes will just do the solo roam thing far better. Warriors, Thieves, Mesmers are the standouts, 2 because they have stealth and the warrior because of insane mobility with greatsword to escape greater numbers.

For dueling out behind the windmill it looks pretty solid, although recently ive been finding no matter what i do, Warriors win. It’s only a matter of time until that skull crack lands with your stun breakers down and you eat 100 blades, or they go the sword/sword for impale/flurry and lowbow stack crazy conditions on you build. Or a Necro convert your boons to conditions and laugh …. or a Perplexity Engineer … or a condi/stealth mesmer ……

Yet none of these seem to make any difference to the “Bash guardian”! The audacity some people have….heh

About as audacious as ignoring request for proof of stated points. The nerve of some people!

You mean everyone crying OP at warrior and condi engie is not enough for you?

Im sorry im not gonna stream or make videos just to feed yours or anyone’s ego on these forums.

Chorazin.4107:

I admire the attempt but other classes will just do the solo roam thing far better. Warriors, Thieves, Mesmers are the standouts, 2 because they have stealth and the warrior because of insane mobility with greatsword to escape greater numbers.

For dueling out behind the windmill it looks pretty solid, although recently ive been finding no matter what i do, Warriors win. It’s only a matter of time until that skull crack lands with your stun breakers down and you eat 100 blades, or they go the sword/sword for impale/flurry and lowbow stack crazy conditions on you build. Or a Necro convert your boons to conditions and laugh …. or a Perplexity Engineer … or a condi/stealth mesmer ……

Yet none of these seem to make any difference to the “Bash guardian”! The audacity some people have….heh

I have played both Chris’ and stunningstyles AH version of healway and I can tell you that the only players you will be able to kill are the mediocre ones. It goes without saying a S/D thief will tear you apart. So will a necro (they kitten everyone tbh) as well a mes.

Most videos display 1 sided fights vs non exotic/ascended opponents and give a wrong idea of the build and general status of this class. From roaming on my thief I can tell you guards are the next easiest thing after an ele to taking down

colesy.8490:

AH is bad.

Anchors are not needed.

Spoken like a true braindead DPS junkie.

We have gone over the fact that unless the enemy is brainless enough to attack you through retaliation (which is where most of your dmg is coming from) you won’t be even able to scratch most classes’ sustain

I have to bring this topic up again but whats the point of a guardian DPS build with no sustain and no perma vigor. No imp consecrations either so not the most ideal build for fractals either.

If you want a pure DPS build you should look at warriors now with their buffed sustain they are able to easily go full zerker while having like 400+ hp/sec from their sig alone.

I have over 1500h guardian so trust me when I say DPS does not come from traits alone but from sustain and DPS uptime (for how long you are hitting the target). In addition you wanna look at your teammate DPS uptimes. The standad Ah/PoV build with 10 in virtues will:
- Maximise your DPS uptime,
- Allow you to anchor for your team, which means your warrior is going to do what he does best w/o fear of having to back out
-AND you are gonna bring boon support. condition removal and conversion as well as higher uptime on projectile reflection.

Don’t listen to DPS junkies who flex their kitten on getting the fastest CoF clears, an anchor spec in full or almost full zerker gear is still going to give you a higher DPS uptime and MUCH HIGHER team support than any of the garbage specs listed in here. Heck you can even use rune of the scholar and due to the massive AH heal you will be able to proc the 6th piece almost constantly!

There is no such thing as a roaming guardian, any remotely competent thief, Mesmer and necro will wipe the floor with you and you will NOT be able to escape any zergs or even a 1v4 gankbang.

In short, unless you are happy solo clearing the 2 supply camps close to your BL waypoint, I would try a different class. Heck now even a warrior is much much better at roaming than a guard. You should stick to front lining in zergs tbh

Darek.1836:

Hunter.4783:

Darek.1836:

wtf guys? guardian is soooooo much better for solo roaming.. unless all you care about is running away from zergs, then warrior is better.

Another clueless player or simply a new guest coming over from the warrior forums.

Soon we are gonna be needing some pest control in place.

100g Ill beat you 1v1
also see attached

How do I always end up attracting the worst of em all eh?

Play time does not mean much considering how you can afk or bot all day.

And even IF you actively played during all that time, tells me nothing about your experience with a guardian or warrior.

Just give up son, before you make a bigger fool of yourself

foofad.5162:

Is the pest control for you? Cause I’m seeing a lot of hostility coming out of you that is completely unnecessary. That goes for everyone, really. This isn’t the place to air out your frustrations. OP asked a question, it has been answered, and last I heard from him in game he decided on a Guardian for now. Thread over.

tell that to all the pests that have come over from the warrior forums to troll us

Darek.1836:

wtf guys? guardian is soooooo much better for solo roaming.. unless all you care about is running away from zergs, then warrior is better.

Another clueless player or simply a new guest coming over from the warrior forums.

Soon we are gonna be needing some pest control in place.

… Have you tried roaming on a guardian??? Either its go healway and not kill anything or go GC and get rolled over by everyone.

Just go back to your forums Daecollo, no one takes you seriously anymore

Guardian Gods…LOL!

Trying to be funny won’t make the attention shift somewhere else. You know there are gonna be nerfs this next patch. So hope they just nerf your heal sig.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Hunter.4783:

You guys COULD post on my thread for a change (mace/shield GS = OP) and try to get some objectivity going

Please reference my post about the warrior sub forum. You are wasting your time there. Those guys were shocked, and more than a little angry, when we tried to explain to them what skill coefficients were.

Look you wouldn’t walk into certain parts of town and start randomly discussing physics with them would you? No! They would likely shoot you, or think you are doing some sort of witch craft. Those guys didn’t even know how to calculate condi damage over time. They still don’t, even after numerous posts explaining it.

You won’t make any headway there, and you won’t with Anet for that matter. Either learn to work around the problem, or roll a different profession. I suppose you could go the warrior route and just QQ about everything being OP until Anet nerfs it ie rangers, spirit rangers (soon), necros, engis, etc…

Well, that thread is still going strong now, so I figured it would be a good way to start raising awareness. I am well aware its in enemy territory and warrior forums are probably the most biased ones after the thief ones, BUT, it was a good place to start. A few other people have stepped in and kinda supported my views to a certain extent so its something.

can also try the mace/shield regen war. You can troll harder and literally…never die.

You guys COULD post on my thread for a change (mace/shield GS = OP) and try to get some objectivity going

Furajir.3815:

Weeeeeeeeeee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcJIDoDzY8w

And this dear sir looks balanced to you? 2v1ing necros….killing guardians in 4 hits….being able to come out of tons of situations because of your many survivability tools.

Keep it up though. Nothing like your videos to prove my point.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Hunter.4783:

Kinda funny because when I am fighting people in wvw, even bads, they still manage to drop me at 50% health or so depending on the class, and I still have to try. Even on my thief or guard I still have to pay attention because not everyone is as bad as they appear.

This guy, he might as well stand there and take it for a good 2 min before he is at 50% life. If you think this is fine, you are delusional.

Allyour comments so far consists of either “he is fighting nubs” or “he is fighting uplvled”
The former MAY be true but still does not justify the fact the warrior takes no dmg the entire time and is able to escape from 4 people while never dropping below 50% health.
The later comment is downright false because he was fighting lvl 80s PLUS upleveled people at the same time. heck the first guy he fights is an 80 necro.

This post is so good when it hits the lips. People you decide are “bads” get you to 50% health and you still have to try. The first guy he fights “is an 80 necro”, except that’s about all you can say about the s-keying bad-spam that was that first fight.

I’ve escaped from a zerg of 10 people before. There’s absolutely no reason those 4 shouldn’t have been able to catch a M+Sh/Hammer warrior. None. Hell, one of the Warriors had a Sword MH, and he couldn’t catch him.

Just…. mmmmnumnumnumnumnum.

This is called game balance bro, unless someone is a lvl 2 uplvled nub there is no way you can get out of a fight unscathed. Look at the video again, notice the insane regen on the warrior. You can’t tell me its balanced

dank.3680:

Hunter.4783:

Kinda funny because when I am fighting people in wvw, even bads, they still manage to drop me at 50% health or so depending on the class, and I still have to try. Even on my thief or guard I still have to pay attention because not everyone is as bad as they appear.

Whats funny is if I was fighting those 4 “bads” in the video on my Mesmer I most likely would have kill them all and not gotten close to 50% hp. WITHOUT running into spawn 10 times..

Aren’t you posting on the wrong forums then?

Kinda funny because when I am fighting people in wvw, even bads, they still manage to drop me at 50% health or so depending on the class, and I still have to try. Even on my thief or guard I still have to pay attention because not everyone is as bad as they appear.

This guy, he might as well stand there and take it for a good 2 min before he is at 50% life. If you think this is fine, you are delusional.

Allyour comments so far consists of either “he is fighting nubs” or “he is fighting uplvled”
The former MAY be true but still does not justify the fact the warrior takes no dmg the entire time and is able to escape from 4 people while never dropping below 50% health.
The later comment is downright false because he was fighting lvl 80s PLUS upleveled people at the same time. heck the first guy he fights is an 80 necro.