Guild Wars 2

Pretty much the title, I’m assuming not because I’ve never once been able to get an ecto from a basic salvage kit, but I’m not sure.

Secondary question: does anyone know the rate of ecto salvage? I’m sure someone has done some lengthy spreadsheet on it already but I’m not finding it.

Wish y’all would stop putting siege behind the legendary defenders, but of course they are there to give y’all a chance.

Fair game.

Sorrows, I’ve noticed you have a decent strategical force, but you don’t have the top down view that we employ on our server. You gotta know when it’s best to dip out to another map, and on launch day, where to allocate your forces. I remember on saturday sitting in a tower on Borlis Pass borderlands, having a 50 man zerg slam into us over and over, eventually accomplishing taking over the tower, and then losing it 30 minutes later. Those 50 could have easily been put somewhere else to get something constructive done.

Then you’re really going to be SO BORED next week when Anvil moves up to this bracket. They are just as vicious as we are.

This bracket has been easier than the lowest bracket so far.

Not blaming SF for this but, they need to fix that ‘placing trebuchets behind the legendary defenders’ thing. Pretty cheesy tactic on eternal.

I hate asking directly, but we commanders often have this on the back of our mind. There are tons of suggestions and no answers on the topic, and I’m sure there’s tons of other more pressing issues with WvW in general, recently one being perma stealth thieves no longer being able to hold points while in stealth (yay!).

Any direction?

AveryFarman.2973:

Hymnosi.5928:

If I’m missing anything lemme know, I’m not a master at each class, but I have a basic understanding of what happens during WvW.

The amusing part, and you’re spot-on with the clear omission, is that warriors are clearly a waste of time at WvW in this game, second only to necromancers.

Ironic, given that the very name, ‘warrior’, implies ‘one who wages war’ – should’ve named us ‘fodder’ or ‘siege engine operator’ or something, as we’re regularly outclassed in melee and ranged combat, especially in groups. If you want to WvW, apparently, playing a ranger or elementalist is where it’s at for combat & support, playing a mesmer is great if you want to feel needed for that one useful ability. If you want to be a jerk during WvW, play a thief (at least while permastealth allows capping.) Guardians are OK for combat, and are nice for support. Warriors? Feh. Don’t bother.

If you’re not interested in WvW, play a warrior or necromancer.

I agree with warrior mostly because I don’t know how they work out end game. If what the above poster said is true, they could easily make good dolyak hunters and camp cappers as part of a group, simply because they can take out mass amounts of NPCs without losing too much blood, and that is valuable.

Necros have amazing support abilities and mass debuffs, as well as one of the stronger power builds in the game. However they don’t specialize in anything specific in terms of WvW objectives.

Take it as you will, this was just my take on some common tasks/goals in WvW that can be specialized into.

They said they were not going to bump it to 2 weeks a long time ago.

In order

Supply Running:
Thief (shadow step short bow)
Mesmer (with centaur runes, blink)
Engineer (permaswift)
Elementalist (permaswift)
Warrior (greatsword switch to warhorn)
Everyone else

Dolyak Killing:
Thief
Mesmer
Everyone else

Siege Killing (Wall):
Elementalist (aoe fire, ice bow)
Mesmers (not anymore)
Thief (cluster bomb? pretty sure)
Everyone else

Stand off Breaking:
Mesmer (portal bombing)
Elementalist (siege breaking)
Guardian (pull and aoe bomb)
Everyone else

Siege (door):
Mesmer (Time Warp, feedback)
Guardian (bubbles)
Everyone else

Yanking off walls:
Mesmer/Guardian (mesmer slightly higher, lower CD)
Thief/Engineer (engineer slightly higher, longer range, also mortars)

If I’m missing anything lemme know, I’m not a master at each class, but I have a basic understanding of what happens during WvW.

I don’t understand the hatred towards our server other than were winning consistently. Maybe it’s a few people giving us a bad reputation via the forums?

¯\(°_o)/¯

A few weeks ago before you dropped down to our bracket, anvil and borlis were up against emery bay. We tried the truce thing, and even when non-verbal, it’s impossible to do. Emery bay was and still is a much stronger server than either of our servers could muster.

The cutting at each other? I try my best to stay lighthearted in the thread, as I realize you can’t physically control every player on your server, thus creating the above situation. The internet and anonymity create this realm of hatred, but it’s designed in that way. So, whole servers take blame instead of individual groups.

And finally, the lopsided war against GoM? It’s because you guys are losing faith in your own ability to fight, thus being the easier target. Believe it or not, a few weeks ago Anvil Rock was under the exact same fire as GoM is right now, but back then it was an actual tactic and not a tendency. We used to try to fight everyone at once, and a few weeks ago we had a reputation for being absolutely ruthless in every situation… but we were losing points wise because we would spread our numbers way too thin and couldn’t hold what we took.

It’s much easier to dominate one server than fight equally versus two, bottom line. This isn’t a planned strategy, more of a natural tendency of war.

If thou is commanding, ye shall have thy holy mesmer handy at all times.

4 man squads are better

no swords, no notification. no notification, your cards aren’t tipped.

There is 1 person on our server that I’d congratulate for being responsible for about 40% of our current score. He diligently calls out to players grinding PvE to WvW in time of need, so often that we have a word for it now. Not a day goes by when I don’t get ’daiosho’d’ mid dungeon.

Seriously dude, you’ve no idea how much you’re effecting the server, congrats.

I’m so glad we got transfers, it makes winning this extremely trivial part of the game so easy : )

Seriously, I don’t know where these transfers you say are. I will say we have more population than usual which is strange, maybe its a bunch of ship jumpers who see we’ve won the past 3 matches and have a pretty active WvW comparatively.

but you’ve clearly proven that, even with outmanned buff, you can at least repel a somewhat large zerg, so it’s not all numbers.

Kodiack.2783:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

If you guys really want to know what makes a difference with BP, I can tell you what I think it is.

1. Some of the commanders started recruiting people that were standing around doing dungeons. Then they encouraged people that were active in WvW to recruit their guild mates/friends that played to do the same.Suddenly BP has a huge surge in WvW players.

Time after time the huge numbers advantage gets glossed over. You should have stopped at the point where you admitted that BP had a surge in Wv3 participation. Everything else after that is moot.

Anyone who has been playing Wv3 since day 1 will tell you that numbers win plain and simple.

Time and time again we keep stating that BP had a significant increase in Wv3 participation and because of this they starting to consistently win more than they lost.

I’m all for chest thumping about how your server is winning and dominating, but to say its anything else but a numbers game is insulting to everyone.

-K

It’s a combination of a few things, population being part of that combination. Morale has been WAY HIGH lately since were on a winning streak, which boosts player participation. We may not even have more players than before, we just have more participating at any given time because they can expect to win. This comes from good commanders utilizing people properly, as well as an overall understanding of the WvW game better. Those who are playing are seasoned, and those who just started playing are learning faster than before because of the seasoned players.

So to just say it’s a population boost is kind of silly. It took us quite a bit of effort to change the ‘we never win’ attitude on our server. It took a 15 guild alliance effort to change that attitude.

It was moved to here, didn’t ever get a fresh start. Bumping it instead of posting it twice.

Already broken?

GoM was non-existent in their own BG during launch, we took advantage of it. If anvil even sent 30-40 people on there they would have stopped us from steamrolling.

Funny, 4-5 match ups ago, we were the underdogs.

I don’t know when we got the population boost. It hasn’t been noticeable in terms of new guilds.

Ianervan.3415:

Hymnosi.5928:

styx.7294:

One commander for every guild? That seems like a lot of commanders.

As opposed to 100g = commander?

There shouldn’t be server commanders in the first place, or possibly limit it to the one commander with the largest guild behind him.

100g is perfectly fine and certainly better than another free commander per guild.

Commander only for largest guild? Anything else? How about just allowing largest guilds from each server into WvW? Who needs others. It seems just as reasonable and “logical”.

Yes, if they have the most people, they should be entitled to leadership roles on the server.

I think the whole commander system is kitteny, and thats coming from a commander. It should either be guild based, as in, only people in the guild can see it, OR it should be elected in some manner, which is not likely to happen. I’m on a low population server and we already have too many commanders for 4 maps. I couldn’t imagine what it’s like on SBI or SOS right now.

4.5k damage a volley is nothing to sneeze at, and 7-9k on burst every 30 seconds is REALLY nothing to sneeze at. Not to mention you can switch to and from this kit rapidly, applying snares/knockdowns as much as you like.

I love the engineer, best class in the game imo.

I always thought engineers had the highest damage through grenades doing 1500 damage each grenade in volleys of 3 at a rate of 1 volley every 3/4th second, and could get perma fury to back it up.

I think most engineers are poorly built, 90% of those who play them have a very bad concept of the class. Even under the best conditions, they only do 30% more damage with full berserker gear than with properly balanced tank/power gear, which means most of them are horribly inefficient at surviving.

I’m almost tankier than a guardian, and I have the damaging power of… probably a mesmer.

I like killing siege.

it’s not that hard to just shoot them to death? Thats generally what I do.

It actually irks me to see 9-10 players using [F] to kill a single player, when it would be much faster to simply shoot them to death with 9-10 players worth of dps.

Perhaps a WvW vendor that is locked until the guild unlocks it?

1. Everything is purchased with badges still
2. Possibly siege that’s cheaper or better in some way
3. Commander book for badges, and remove the public book.
4. More guild equipment, but competitive stats, with guild emblems all over it
5. Purchase special upgrades for claimed keeps, or potentially an upgrade that allows you to claim more towers/keeps on the same map

The possibilities are endless in this case, and can tie into guild halls at a later date

styx.7294:

One commander for every guild? That seems like a lot of commanders.

As opposed to 100g = commander?

There shouldn’t be server commanders in the first place, or possibly limit it to the one commander with the largest guild behind him.

I have no problem with people stopping people in the puzzle. It’s the design of it.

I have a problem with the design of the arena being impossible to complete while in combat mode (unless you have perma swiftness) which makes it very easy to hold of tens of people as a single character.

I also (had) a problem with placing siege in the same arena area, because it was easy to put many people in combat consistently (arrow carts lay consistent damage in an area wide enough to cover that whole entrance, giving everyone perma combat status).

The third thing I have a problem with is being able to use mesmer portals in the puzzle right to the top of the arena, making it extremely easy to recover a failed grief position.

Other than that, griefing is perfectly viable and FUN if done in the right way. There are invisibility shrines which allows you to pass a VERY LARGE portion of the puzzle unseen. If they would fix those 3 puzzles, it would be extremely beneficial to the puzzle.

Thank god we didn’t go up a bracket.

If I were to play 100 times, would my difficulty level go up to 100?

Lighthearted topic amidst a sea of whining and anger:

What is your server’s mascot/name? Preferably rhyming/themed?

Emery Bay Pirates/Buccaneers/Bandits?

Borlis Pass Marauders

BP will leave this bracket next week so long as we don’t lose by a very large margin. ET is dropping like a stone, and so is HoD, this pushes everyone up.

Bombs have a smoke/fire field, grenades have a frost/poison field. Since 30 in firepower synergizes very well (vulnerability stacks out the wazoo) with both, I run both. Also the toolkit switch spell effect is really neat.

WvW bonus, why not do some research?

Quite possibly the most fun I’ve had in months. So much switching, so much damage, so much utility

Or is it unlimited scaling? I like the idea of unlimited scaling, it reminds me of NoX quest mode, where at one point it’s neigh impossible to continue.

It was ‘useful’ before, but nearly so. It’s an excellent compliment to any crit based build, easily.

Berserker Grenade WvW builds are king for killing siege, and now you can pull people off walls and keep them perma crippled with improved wrench, or pop down box o nails and pull them into it.

Or ready a grenade barrage and pull them and immediately toss the grenades on top of them. The possibilities are limited!

Khalic.3561:

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

wtf you can get exotic weapons from drops before?!?!?!?!

How come I’ve never found one?<

People have gotten Dusk off of normal mobs in the Cursed Shore. The drop rate is just ridiculously low. Especially if you’re not wearing MF armour, but who would do that in WvW?

I’ve done it, got 4 rares in one night. Not nearly as good as farming plinx though. Maybe better now?

Anyways, still need confirmation that PvP is or is not WvW.

iBerserker cant be used to take out siege.

That’s pretty much it. Engineer’s got a pretty big buff to Magnet, which is now the most overpowered wall pull, and comes with a 5 second cripple to boot.

The drop rarity of Rare and Exotic weapons from certain places in the world (champions, veterans, and players in WvW) has been increased. Rares and Exotics should be much more likely to drop and every champion should be guaranteed to drop loot. This was to ensure that world loot drops were not a significantly worse way of acquiring rare and exotic items than crafting and running dungeons.

I’m excited for this.

Which is your favorite currently, and what do you think arena net is going to address with tomorrows patch?

Personally, I like Axe/Focus for Dungeons, and Dagger/Focus for solo. I don’t find warhorn that useful, and offhand dagger seems kinda strange.

Switch to dagger, tomorrow might be different though.

Axe is for stacking up vulnerability for your minions (and teammates) to deal more damage. Too bad they don’t deal good damage or are reliable currently.

For me, axe is the tank spec weapon, where dagger is the ‘life siphon’ type weapon.

Because axe stacks vulnerability on each hit, you can stack up to 10-12 stacks on a single target using vulnerability sigils and runes without using wells or focus 4. This makes me think that this is for minion based builds (which kinda suck atm, but whatever, not the point).

Not sure why people suggest dagger/dagger and not dagger/focus. Focus is a 1200 range 6 second chill, very good for running down people [edit] when specced.

If you’re looking for a turret/minion type deal, you’re going to have a bad time. The way arena net designed it, minions/turrets are designed for tank specs simply because they do not scale with stats. They do flat damage, calculate in vulnerability on enemy, and traits put into them. None of them do extraordinary damage, and none of them can be made to do extraordinary damage.

Obviously my main is a level 80 engineer. I’ve tried every kind of build imaginable. Personally I have a hard time switching between kits rapidly to utilize engineers to their fullest. You can have the same amount of skills as a elementalist if you choose to do so. I ended up with a rifle/grenade fury crit build which works decently. You could probably go full berserker and have a better time than I did.

My time with necro has been wonderful. I’m really concerned that people are saying power specs dont work with necros… so far up to 40 it’s been easier than leveling my engineer. I did AC story today under leveled and felt like I was contributing greatly. I’ve no idea where the idea that power builds on necros are underpowered.

Which would you prefer?

Point based – current system, server with the greatest amount of points wins.

Objective based – server has a overarching goal, after achieving said goal, the game is won/lost.

Ultimate Strategy in a perfect environment?

Take a tower → build a trebuchet, 4 arrowcarts, a catapult behind the door, and ballista everywhere you can. Siege walk to each tower/keep/supply camp making it impossible to make advances behind you. Repeat the treb/arrowcart/catapult strategy until you own the whole map. End by building tons of ballista around the enterences to the enemy camp.

This is why I hate when people say to get rid of the ‘zerg mentality’. The alternative is kittenier.

I use this strategy all the time with trebs in borderlands.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

I wish the mods would be a little more lenient about the so-called “trashtalking”, at least on the wuvwuv forums. Rivalry is good and keeps things from getting stale.

We’ve played the same matchup 3 weeks in a row now. I’ve gone from a respectful, sportsmanlike mentality to downright hatred at AR and BP because I’m so sick of seeing those kittens all up in GoM’s lawn. In actuality, though, I wouldn’t trade those servers for any others because each week of fighting against them has been an absolute blast AND a good challenge. I just love to hate them… that’s all

Try fighting Anvil for 5 weeks in a row? Were tired of seeing each other at this point. I’m just glad GoM isn’t crushing our two humble servers like bugs as every other server that visits us tends to do.

I’ve been staring at the necro skills lately going, “wow, a good portion of these are considerably overpowered for WvW”. I’m going to go over how and why here.

Death Shroud – Foot in the grave gives 3 seconds of stability, very useful for finishing people. You can use this every 5 seconds when traited properly.

Staff – Marks are easily used to break siege. They don’t require bullet sight.

Consume Conditions is a 100% condition wipe, incredibly useful in WvW.

Plague Signet is ridiculous when combined with epidemic and consume conditions. You become an arbiter.

Signet of Undeath is probably the best downed res ability on any class.

Spectral Grasp is probably the best ranged pull in the game, and has a high arc to hit people on walls easier. The cooldown can be reduced to 24 as well.

Spectral walk can be abused to create poison fields on top of siege via the fall trait.

Well of Suffering, when traited, is the single most damaging AoE in the game versus siege. You can stack all the other wells as well to continue to blow up siege.

Lich Form makes you a target, but also gives you 30 seconds of stability. You can quick swap this off for 30 seconds of ‘im getting away’ time. Not to mention lich form is extremely damaging compared to any other elite skill I can think of.

Commander Name: Hymnosi, soon to be Deathly Hymn
Server: Borlis Pass
Primary Tactic Used: I pull my tactics from my experience as a soldier and leader in the army. Further I use my guild as a special forces group while I lead the zerg around.
Works alone or with other Commanders: Of course I work with others, as long as they work with me.
Style of Commanding: Army, but humble
Best communication: I use ventrilo with my guild, and team chat to lead the zerg around.

Bumping this up… how quick things are buried.

Kratic.8763:

Hymnosi.5928:

willwill.9318:

Is it still pointless to WvW? Meaning, no actual progression? Or just ole alterac valley battleground instance over and over each week?

Can we see kill spam yet? Can we see players names? Is there a way to advance your character in WvW?

Or is it just a battleground amusement park still ?

I’m with you on this one, except instead they want you to grind for siege equipment as well.

I’m sick of people saying this is the intended design. In 1 year, WvW will be only on 3 servers at this rate.

So you are tired of people telling you the truth instead of what you want to hear? No games are made to appeal to everyone. If you don’t like it then don’t play.

Except the people who like the concept are growing sick or already sick of it.

They have to make it appealing to PvE players, since PvP players are going to stick with HotM.

willwill.9318:

Is it still pointless to WvW? Meaning, no actual progression? Or just ole alterac valley battleground instance over and over each week?

Can we see kill spam yet? Can we see players names? Is there a way to advance your character in WvW?

Or is it just a battleground amusement park still ?

I’m with you on this one, except instead they want you to grind for siege equipment as well.

I’m sick of people saying this is the intended design. In 1 year, WvW will be only on 3 servers at this rate.