Guild Wars 2

Karsusk.5247:

Here is my follow up to the people who say they can do it, are you the required level to get into the explorable or are you 80 with exotics and rares at least?

The team I’m usually clearing with is in full exotics and optimal builds.

Belorn.2659:

I really hope this isnt someone who wrote a market bot to auto flip items.

Is this even possible?

lordkrall.7241:

The group dissolves when the leader leaves the group. This is a feature, not a bug.

It’s a pretty terrible feature. Even games from 2004 had leadership passing implemented before release.

supergica.8652:

the DR on item drop is just a myth.

I would greatly appreciate a debunk.

The dungeon system for DR is fine

No it’s not. Dungeon DR is punishing good teams for being good.

you can get fully geared from a dungeon in little over a week if you do all paths daily at least once.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

What the dungeon forum is mostly whining about is the absolutely stupid and unnecessary 5 paths / 2 hours DR. Pardon me for having a team of good players that steamroll the weak content we currently have.

Yareon.2835:

Any particular group composition / armor/trait settings ? Just to understand how you managed to do it.

1 glass cannon warrior, 1 thief, 2 guardians and an ele.

Sarcasmic.6741:

*Killing the mobs as intended? Yes.

I’d just like to confirm this statement. Killing everything is entirely doable with a good team.

My group usually kills it at 92% or so and then proceed to /dance with Magg.

Norb.4253:

Maybe they’re going to have a lemon party.

Can’t believe no one ITT got the joke.

Run out the tunnel, run in and make sure Morrigan doesn’t die.

Should solve it.

Lupus is fine as is.

omino.4302:

DR and anti farm codes are almost hitler like.

And we’ve Godwin’d the thread. Good night everybody!

Kratic.8763:

Master and Black Lion salvage kits will give you the best chance of getting ectos.

I would greatly appreciate a backup to this statement, whether in empiric form or in the form of a red confirm/deny.

John Smith.4610:

Just to be clear again. There is no DR for salvaging. There’s no stealth nerf on ectos.

Does salvage kit quality affect the probability to get an ecto?

LFG Iron Mines infusion run.

Konovalev.7154:

Anyone willing to make a mesmer alt just to stand inside the gates at all times and port people in?

Portals don’t work that way.

Any character behind the gate will do.

Let me explain. The dude above said:

I think what you will find is that a whole group of people can’t beat Kholer because they have never fought Kholer.

Which makes zero sense, because having never fought a boss does not imply anything. You can one-shot him or wipe on him for hours.

Then:

Thus these unexperienced players have not trained in the art of dodging Kholer’s pull attack

There are conveniently placed pillars that nullify his pull attack. Dodging isn’t the only way.

MrGorkajuice.8391:

Practically irrelevant.

Absolutely relevant if a bad PRNG with a low period is used.

Casinos are irrelevant.

Tinni.4351:

I think what you will find is that a whole group of people can’t beat Kholer because they have never fought Kholer.

This makes no sense at all. Kholer is easy but not worth the time.

I can think of at least two other dungeons where I fear that a large portion of the population do not know how to not skip certain encounters.

95% of people are idiots, moving right along.

Auesis.7301:

easiest boss fight in the game

That’s not the Searing Effigy.

DR is not the problem, lack of end areas to farm is.

Punishing players for playing the game is problematic, to say the least.

Rajani Isa.6294:

Random is Random is the obvious answer, I would think.

And then you realize you cannot have truly random numbers in a deterministic system such as a computer.

You get guaranteed 1.5g from clearing AC, which can and should be cleared in an hour.

Razzy.2741:

Most players just keep dying there, and they simply avoid this boss, cuz they can’t keep up their Uber Pro 1337 player image if they fail miserably in such place

No, people skip this boss because he’s a boring timesink with horrible loot attached. I’d rather save those five minutes on my Omnombar so I can squeeze another path in.

Do you seriously think we’re skipping Kholer because we can’t kill him?

Whether or not your RNG of choice (Mersenne twister hopefully) is working/used correctly is my question there, John.

RetiredBard.5294:

Not when farmers are reporting upwards of 3 lodestones by drawing it out. Now add to that that they were reporting a precursor drop from a champ in phase 2.

[citation needed]

Buffing the chest loot high enough to discourage drawing out is the simplest solution.

derry.2789:

Predicting a flood of people with dungeon master when these gates and path bugs eventually get fixed

Fixed Arah gate does not DM make.

RetiredBard.5294:

Claw of Jormag.

Buff chest loot to have a significant probability of containing at least 1 lodestone. Problem solved.

Erasculio.2914:

Your dungeon groups are very bad.

Our dungeon runs say otherwise.

I wonder if it isn’t you who are insisting on the 1-2 support guardians…?

Nope.

Torvarren.6295:

My post is saying that it is the absolute best way to get you to stop grinding the same content over and over and experience other stuff for a while.

Yes, DR makes you want to think why are you being punished for playing the game. Then it makes you want to experience that lovely weather outdoors.

I would just like to second the OP on this and state that bugged Arah gate is the only thing preventing me from getting my DM title.

Edit: The simplest solution would be to have CoF/CoE/Arah permanently unlocked for people who did story mode. But we can’t abide that.

Nodora.1365:

If ANet wants the players to go a bit slowly and still have a sense of purpose, why not putting the tokens back in the mid bosses?

The simplest solution is to make chest loot worth the effort of killing the bosses people usually skip. I’m looking mostly at Kholer.

But we can’t abide simple solutions , can we?

Yeah, and now all my dungeon groups consist of 1-2 support guardians and 3 DPSers.

“No trinity” sure works.

Horheristo.3607:

Rotate between alts

They ‘fixed’ that a long time ago.

The terms “casual” and “bad” are not interchangeable. Just saying.

Anders.6425:

You think months from now anyone is going to bother with dungeons?

Yes, because getting 1.5g/hour (before vendoring loot) in AC is worth the hour of clearing it.

Zefiris.8297:

I do.

That’s just like your opinion man.

And so do most other people.

[citation needed]

You aren’t punished, you get slightly less tokens.

“Slightly less” meaning 75% of our daily dose of tokens and silver just for being a good. Yes, we are punished for being good.

Which is REALLY not a big deal.

Yes it is. Getting reduced rewards for being good is punishing players for playing the game.

Unless you’re one of the people that farm mindlessly and don’t actually enjoy playing, in which case this is the game telling you that what you are doing is stupid.

Neither you nor Anet cannot dictate me how to enjoy playing the game. Only I can decide how to enjoy it and as of right now I enjoy farming dungeons fast with a dedicated group of good players. Being forced to take a break every 4 paths is stupid.

Good, really.

No, really.

Pretty much subject line here.

Whoever has it, please contact me in-game.

Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.

phooka.4295:

Meters are a horrible idea because meters in the hands of bad players are a horrible idea and there’s lots of bad players in every game, everyone will encounter them and suffer for it.

Fix that.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with performance measure. It’s how you interpret the data.

phooka.4295:

Meters are a horrible idea.

No they’re not.

Meters in the hands of bad players are a horrible idea.

Fixed that for ya.

Ruien.9506:

Robert lost me at ranger doing great dps. I started gw2 as a ranger. Got tired of all the nerfs with the sb nerf being the last straw.

Try playing mesmer. You know nothing of pain.

The solution is just to buff the chest loot to contain several rares and have a reasonably high chance for an exotic.

Problem solved.

lcpdragonslayer.7895:

the DR system they have on tokens is catching out quite a few legit teams together with the people who are like skip skip skip do not pass go do not collect $200 final boss done.

This is a sign of bad dungeon design and players should not be punished for avoiding said bad design.

But there’s been a couple of red posts (probably Hrouda) a few pages back saying that they’re not going to disclose any information about how their DR works, so. You’re stuck with having to wait it out until around the 20 minute mark.

We’ll figure it out empirically sooner™ or later. It really is pointless.

Burn.5401:

Mesmers are below average in dungeons.

Understatement of the galactic year.

lcpdragonslayer.7895:

It’s designed as an anti-farming measure,

Then it’s designed horribly wrong if day’s first clears of any path are susceptible to DR at all.

but actually you are essentially being punished for skipping half the dungeon and rushing to the final boss.

You’re wrong. We didn’t skip anything on this run OR the CoF2 run before this one. We still got hit by DR. We shouldn’t get hit by DR for being a good team.

From the looks of the image in OP’s post they did HotW path 1 which really shouldn’t take any longer than 20-25 minutes, no matter if you skip the mobs or not.

It was HotW1 in about 20 minutes, didn’t skip anything.

So yeah, being good is now a punishable offense.

So we’re punished for being a well-coordinated team of good players, is that what you’re trying to say?

Sometimes brains aren’t necessary, just saying.

Milennin.4825:

I was in a party with 4 Warriors a few days ago with me playing as Guardian, and boy did it suck. They kept dying over again, taking way longer than it should have. I bet it would’ve been way faster with a party of 5 Elementalists or so…

Two things.

1. 4 warriors is too many.
2. Said warriors must also have straight hands and a working brain.

BabelFish.7234:

Assuming you hit, okay.

This is why you and your team position the mobs correctly for your HBlades to yield maximum damage. Missing HBlades should never happen.

And its squishy as hell. Damage doesn’t mean I R IS BESTEST otherwise BS thieves would rock dungeons. Don’t get defensive.

When my survivability is guaranteed by other members of my team, yes, damage does mean I R IS TEH BEST. Mostly because the more damage I deal, the faster the mobs die, the faster I get my tokens and the less time I spend inside a dungeon I cleared about a million times already.

Let me clarify, in PvP and Wv3 missing your rush with a Hb glass spec is death.

This is irrelevant, we are not discussing sPvP or WvW.

I think you’re overly defensive, a Hb glass spec has low survivability which in turn means you die more in dungeons where dmg isn’t everything. High damage is good but its no good if your party is carrying you through because you die non-stop

I’m fully aware of the shortcomings of this build, but my standard party composition negates these issues. Try running a zerker glass cannon with 2 guardians on your team and you’ll see my point.

It was fun the first time I did it. Same for the CoF1 rocks and CoF3 spiral.

Now it’s just tedious.

You’re wrong in just about everything.

BabelFish.7234:

So in reality you’re looking at Hb doing between 15-40k dmg

No, you’re looking at consistent ~21k damage every 6.5 seconds, assuming uniform distribution of damage range and crits.

And for the record Hb glass cannon is the worst build ever

No, it’s the most damaging build in-game.

if you miss that charge you die

Absolutely not. Where did you come up with that? Missing Rush does NOT result in death.

so full zerker armor on a warrior for a Hb build is just bad, especially for dungeons.

This conclusion isn’t inferred from your previous (and already wrong) statements.