Guild Wars 2

flyingcats.6194:

Korossive.7085:

Gaile Gray.6029:

According to Colin Johanson, Guild Wars 2 Game Director, Super Adventure Box will be back in the future. We don’t have a timeframe for the return of the SAB, but we will be bringing back this popular content.

I know you would like more details, more info, a date, etc., but that’s not available right now. I hope the above comment reassures you, though, because at the core, the important answer is that yes, SAB will be back in the future.

Please inform Colin that all gem purchases are delayed until Soon™, which will be in “the future” and “we don’t have a timeframe”.

In my specific case: Soon™ will also include Fractal Reset compensation.
(no, I have not forgotten)

Gaile, I seriously don’t understand the management in your company.

Wow, way to show off how selfish you are. “They’re withholding something I like, so they must be doing bad management.”

The game is called Guild Wars 2, not Super Adventure Box. From what I remember, SAB is still a special event, and that’s part of the appeal. If they’d make this content permanent, the majority of people would lose interest in it after a month.

Then why put a PERMANENT item up in the gem store?

For alot of people that would be enough. I don’t play this game anymore till they come out with content that interests me, but I still speak with alot of my friends about gw2. I know they would be satisfied if they just openend the already-existing worlds. Also alot of them would just feel justified for buying the infinite coin. But thats just from the people around me, and I’m sure other players share that same view.

I just don’t get it. Why is it so hard to just open up the already EXISTING worlds?
Why is that so hard? Can anyone think of one good reason not to open up those worlds.
I know some people are against if they would spend their resources on creating the world 3 etc. But just open up the worlds that have already been made.
It doesn’t hurt the people that hate SAB. They just don’t play it, but their fear that Anet would spent resources on creating new worlds wouldn’t be in place.
BUT the people who love it can play it. People that spent money on the infinite coin would finally see their money justified.

So why Anet, why not just open existing world. Again, give me one good reason to not open the existing worlds.

I thought this was the discussion forum? I’ve seen alot of topics being closed because “it didn’t invite to a healthy discussion” or something like that.
This isn’t a discussion topic. This is a “let me defend Anet because they don’t say anything for themselves, so I’ll teach the community here on the forums exactly what’s going on!”

OP doesn’t even invite for a discussion. So I can’t see why this topic can be usefull.

OT: Ofc they are working on stuff. New trait aquire system was stuff too, so if they are working on the same kind of ‘stuff’ like that, I would never get my hopes up for something that’s worth playing to be worked on.

Rauderi.8706:

I do consider it a perk for being higher level, even if I get downgraded. It means I don’t completely invalidate the event.

And thankfully GW2 isn’t like FF14 about down-scaling. FF14 makes you drop your skills. >_> Could you imagine doing a level 8 event with only, what, 3 weapon skills and maybe one utility? /cry

Yeah, that is to make sure that even if your level is downscaled, you can’t use your overpowerd high-level skill rotations so you still overpower the new players. Litteraly everyone is the same in those events.

Very well written, I just get the feeling you haven’t played xiv more than 10 minutes, as stated by other people.

I just can’t understand how someone can prefer the gw2 crafting system over xiv crafting:P

You can’t. You are still a new player so they have disabled that feature for you because it might be too confusing.

Paradox.1380:

I must say, I’ve been following this thread actively. Simply for the sheer fact of it that people automatically say the opposite of Vayne no matter what. This is highly amusing. You cannot provide evidence of why you believe what you do, so instead you try to discredit Vayne who is firing back with the evidence of why he thinks as he does.

Keep at it, someday one persons mind might change. Also, very interesting information to think on about the health of the game. I was pleasantly surprised indeed. Not that I thought the game was in any danger really, just the amount of people saying they leave, and the amount of people I see still online often now that I think about it is quite sharp.

Like KarlaGrey said: PvP in here is better than in-game

Vayne.8563:

Sure data from Anet would be preferable. But they won’t give us that data whether they’re successful or not. There’s a reason for this…a business reason. If you give the information when you’re successful and suddenly you’re not, you have to stop giving the information and everyone will then know the game is going down hill. By not giving that information you’re not setting yourself up for possible future failure. You don’t set that kind of precedent, at least smart businesses don’t.

This game is going downhill. Remember last year how proudly they showed us the statistics. Given A-net attitude to everything, they would be doing the same this year. They are so proud of even the smallest things they do. They blow up even the simplest QoL change that isn’t even worth mentioning in other MMO’s, but here they act like they reïnvented the wheel when they bring us a simple QoL change.

So given their attitude, them NOT giving us the numbers is already a slight indication that things are going bad. And even worse than the ‘normal’ flow of things would be, because else they would have showed it us anyway with their kitteny attitude and just say: Yeah, this is the normal flow of data for a mmo that has been around for 2 years.

They give us nothing. And if they show us nothing, despite their kittenyness, already says enough…

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

I never denied people were leaving for reasons. But that doesn’t mean they’re going to stay where they go either.

The grass is always greener on the other side. I’ve seen people leave for ESO, Wildstar, Neverwinter and FF, and many have come back.

If a thousand people leave this game, and a thousand people start playing it, the game is stable. That’s pretty much what’s happening.

But new players have a lot more content to get through and it takes longer. So they’ll be here longer.

We have a new zone coming out on November 4th (or more of a zone at least). We don’t really know the future.

But I’m thinking an expansion is coming.

What makes you think when that expansion hits, people won’t leave FF to play it?

This isn’t about whether they leave and may or may not come back, it’s about that people leave for a very perticular reason that should be alarming.
Like you said, people switch products because they got ‘bored’ with one product, and the want the exciting things a new product gives. That’s normal, but when you have a reason this perticular, and it’s not just 1 customer, I would be alarmed.

And like you said, you THINK a gw2 expansion may hit. We don’t know. We are uncertain. I wouldn’t trust my car to someone who may or may not have his drivers license. I would trust my car to someone I know has his driver’s license etc. etc.

The not-knowing where this game is going is already alarming, but hey, that’s their stupid policy.

And I don’t think when a thousand people leave this game, a thousand come back for it. And that is based on personal in-game experience. Like guilds, map chats and the fact megaserver was in introduced to hide the fact that this game is shrinking. And I’m not the only one with this experience.

Except that there are other reasons for a mega server besides shrinking populations. ESO LAUNCHED with a megaserver. It’s more efficient technology. It costs less to run. And it allows more zones to be introduced not leaving others ghost towns.

Like you say, besides. Population IS shrinking in a lot of people minds.
And the fact that you are dodging my other arguments and NOT responds to them, which you normally always do with walls of meaningless counterargements, already says enough.

But people dodge my arguments all the time. People leaving <> population shrinking. That’s one of the biggest misnomers I’ve seen. It doesn’t matter that people leave, that’s my point. People leave games all the time.

And no one has yet given me a good reason why Anet has had zero layoffs when the rest of NCsoft was suffering. That doesn’t sound like a shrinking population or a dying game to me.

Yeah, other people do that. I thought you saw yourself as the great white leader of the vocal minority that does enjoy the game. You always counterargument everything, and when you don’t, like I said, that says alot.

And I’m not gonna quote myself again, but people leaving games is fine. That’s not troublesome. BUT when people leave a game with the same wide-spread opinion, it IS troublesome.

Just like I said a couple of posts back…

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

I never denied people were leaving for reasons. But that doesn’t mean they’re going to stay where they go either.

The grass is always greener on the other side. I’ve seen people leave for ESO, Wildstar, Neverwinter and FF, and many have come back.

If a thousand people leave this game, and a thousand people start playing it, the game is stable. That’s pretty much what’s happening.

But new players have a lot more content to get through and it takes longer. So they’ll be here longer.

We have a new zone coming out on November 4th (or more of a zone at least). We don’t really know the future.

But I’m thinking an expansion is coming.

What makes you think when that expansion hits, people won’t leave FF to play it?

This isn’t about whether they leave and may or may not come back, it’s about that people leave for a very perticular reason that should be alarming.
Like you said, people switch products because they got ‘bored’ with one product, and the want the exciting things a new product gives. That’s normal, but when you have a reason this perticular, and it’s not just 1 customer, I would be alarmed.

And like you said, you THINK a gw2 expansion may hit. We don’t know. We are uncertain. I wouldn’t trust my car to someone who may or may not have his drivers license. I would trust my car to someone I know has his driver’s license etc. etc.

The not-knowing where this game is going is already alarming, but hey, that’s their stupid policy.

And I don’t think when a thousand people leave this game, a thousand come back for it. And that is based on personal in-game experience. Like guilds, map chats and the fact megaserver was in introduced to hide the fact that this game is shrinking. And I’m not the only one with this experience.

Except that there are other reasons for a mega server besides shrinking populations. ESO LAUNCHED with a megaserver. It’s more efficient technology. It costs less to run. And it allows more zones to be introduced not leaving others ghost towns.

Like you say, besides. Population IS shrinking in a lot of people minds.
And the fact that you are dodging my other arguments and NOT responds to them, which you normally always do with walls of meaningless counterargements, already says enough.

Vayne.8563:

I never denied people were leaving for reasons. But that doesn’t mean they’re going to stay where they go either.

The grass is always greener on the other side. I’ve seen people leave for ESO, Wildstar, Neverwinter and FF, and many have come back.

If a thousand people leave this game, and a thousand people start playing it, the game is stable. That’s pretty much what’s happening.

But new players have a lot more content to get through and it takes longer. So they’ll be here longer.

We have a new zone coming out on November 4th (or more of a zone at least). We don’t really know the future.

But I’m thinking an expansion is coming.

What makes you think when that expansion hits, people won’t leave FF to play it?

This isn’t about whether they leave and may or may not come back, it’s about that people leave for a very perticular reason that should be alarming.
Like you said, people switch products because they got ‘bored’ with one product, and the want the exciting things a new product gives. That’s normal, but when you have a reason this perticular, and it’s not just 1 customer, I would be alarmed.

And like you said, you THINK a gw2 expansion may hit. We don’t know. We are uncertain. I wouldn’t trust my car to someone who may or may not have his drivers license. I would trust my car to someone I know has his driver’s license etc. etc.

The not-knowing where this game is going is already alarming, but hey, that’s their stupid policy.

And I don’t think when a thousand people leave this game, a thousand come back for it. And that is based on personal in-game experience. Like guilds, map chats and the fact megaserver was in introduced to hide the fact that this game is shrinking. And I’m not the only one with this experience.

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

I also think there’s not a decent MMO coming out on the horizon and Anet has time to work on an expansion.

It doesn’t have to be a new MMO that could be a ‘danger’, it could also be an existing MMO that actually gave us content.
Yesterday, patch 2.4 in FF14 launched. No expansion, just a ‘regular’ content patch. It gave us a new class. A whole new class. New crafting recipes. Wont type the list here. Expansion announced for spring 2015. People know what road this game is taking, and what to expect. Something to look forward to, like a whole new race and zone.

The thing is, I’m just on a normal populated(in ff14 terms) world, in a normal sized guild. Yesterday, if you would walk around in the city that has the new classes’ guild, you could see it was swarming with new players. Our guild recruited 7 new players yesterday. And guess what? 4 of them had JUST quitted GW2. Reason? Same reason a lot of people complain about. No actual new content here, no new classes, races, weapons, zones, dungeons.. the list goes on and on.

The thing is, like I said before, I’m not on a super populated world, and my guild is’nt super big or something. But the fact that 4 out of 7 players left GW2 for the EXACT same reason says much. I mean really much.

So I don’t think Anet has all the ‘time’ to work on an expansion.

You know what? I recruited four players for my guild on the first day they last time Anet had a half price sale. Look at that, four new players.

It doesn’t matter that people leave this game. Not everyone is willing to pay a sub. Not everyone likes traditional MMOs, and not everyone likes Final Fantasy.

People leave games all the time. Everything is new and shiny.

I’ve had people leave my guild to play FF and come back.

I’m not what you think you’re proving.

The fact that they all left for the same reasons does say alot, whether you like it or not.

Vayne.8563:

I also think there’s not a decent MMO coming out on the horizon and Anet has time to work on an expansion.

It doesn’t have to be a new MMO that could be a ‘danger’, it could also be an existing MMO that actually gave us content.
Yesterday, patch 2.4 in FF14 launched. No expansion, just a ‘regular’ content patch. It gave us a new class. A whole new class. New crafting recipes. Wont type the list here. Expansion announced for spring 2015. People know what road this game is taking, and what to expect. Something to look forward to, like a whole new race and zone.

The thing is, I’m just on a normal populated(in ff14 terms) world, in a normal sized guild. Yesterday, if you would walk around in the city that has the new classes’ guild, you could see it was swarming with new players. Our guild recruited 7 new players yesterday. And guess what? 4 of them had JUST quitted GW2. Reason? Same reason a lot of people complain about. No actual new content here, no new classes, races, weapons, zones, dungeons.. the list goes on and on.

The thing is, like I said before, I’m not on a super populated world, and my guild is’nt super big or something. But the fact that 4 out of 7 players left GW2 for the EXACT same reason says much. I mean really much.

So I don’t think Anet has all the ‘time’ to work on an expansion.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Ahem

It’s also worth pointing out that some people use claims of quitting the game as an attention-getting tactic, when in fact they are still quite active.

Yeah I find this so funny to read, that they actually spent their time in checking if those so called quitting players are still active. Why don’t you, instead, make some interesting content huh Anet?

Serophous.9085:

But there’s the key. The quitters are still paying attention to the game, keeping the forums active (a dead game forum is scarier than one populate by complaints, then you know the game is in trouble if no one even talks).

Some quitters are simply waiting for anet to add something they like, then they’ll be back. Some may just wait for it to hit a higher popularity so they can slip back in and be part of it. Some may be here to denounce the game because they feel cheated in spending money and eventually not liking the game, justifying it as some kind of ‘revenge’ or ‘payback’.

You said it right there. I’m one of those ‘quitters’. Haven’t played the game for 5-6 months now, but not because I hate this game or anything. This game has the potential to have it all, instead, imo and in the opinion of LOTS of other people, Anet is taking the road that has the most bullkitten on it. That’s why I often check the forums(not as much as I used to in the first 2 month I quit playing them game, my hope and my trust in Anet to make things right keeps becoming smaller and smaller), but I still check it when I have nothing to do at college or something.

As for this boycot? I did let my wallet speak for a very long time(haven’t bought a penny worth of gems from this greedy company), and now I’m just showing them 1 player that doesn’t spent time anymore in their game. That, plus communicating(Anet needs to work on their part of this too……sigh…) is the only thing you can really do.

It’s returning. But in Anet terms, that could be longer than 2 years, so I wouldn’t get your hopes too much up…

How displeased I am about the current state of the game, how displeased I am about the road Anet takes with this GW, boycotting is never the answer imo.

Beldin.5498:

And the NGE .. heck that is maybe 15-30 minutes of gameplay were you are really
affected by it on a new character (as long as we not talk about traits).

O, don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against the NPE. The concept of the idea is good, but it wasn’t delivered good imo.
And as you say for yourself, as long as we are not talking about traits. The fact they kittened that up, and haven’t even fixed it/communicated about it says much, just too much….

And ofcourse, it is no problem for a business to create/alter content in favor to get new players. But here it comes:
1: Don’t create/alter content that affects your already excisting customers too much. So many simple solutions to not go down that path, but Anet chooses to go down that path.
2: Divide your resources between creating/altering content for new players, and creating/altering content for excisting customers. Not gonna explain this point, I think you know what I mean.

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Anet wants to expand/improve uptake of the game for new players. All businesses do that.

And most businesses do that without kittening their product up for the customers they already have. And that’s where it goes wrong with Anet

Do you have proof of this? Do you know what percentage of people are upset or enraged? Do you know how many are leaving?

Almost every time a business makes a change, someone is going to get kittened off by that change. That happened with my business too. A change was made and some people benefited and some people didn’t.

Generally speaking, if we made that change, we were willing to sacrifice a smallish group to gain a larger group. That’s what businesses do.

I’ll just leave this here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Game-Updates-Traits/first

And if I kept track of all the people in game, in real life, on other forums etc. etc. I spoke to that found any of the changes bullkitten, I would have a long list. But I haven’t done that.

Vayne.8563:

Anet wants to expand/improve uptake of the game for new players. All businesses do that.

And most businesses do that without kittening their product up for the customers they already have. And that’s where it goes wrong with Anet

Paradox.1380:

Show me a MMO where their forums aren’t full of people shouting and complaining about this, that or the other.. or saying that the game is dying and I’ll give you a Spicy Pumpkin Cookie. Every forum for every MMO I have ever played has been a cesspool of negativity… regardless of the reasons. Those games aren’t dead or dying, but you’d think so based on the forums.

Some people also base their opinion about that this game is dying from personal in-game experience, and not the forums.

You can still actually add content that makes sense and adds to the lifespan of the game, and still be different from other MMO’s.

What does it take for them see that working ONLY on LS is just bull. Sure LS is very nice, it’s just not good enough to spent all your resources on and only make LS content. Make less LS content(still make it, but just dont focus 100% on it), and make more other content.

Vayne.8563:

I’d rather play this for 100 years with no new content than a new WoW expansion.

And you have every right to feel that way:)
But I think a majority wouldn’t stick to this game so long if no new content came out and all kinds of other MMO’s come with big content patches that introduce new classes, new races, new zones, new story quests etc.

kta.6502:

GW2 has its flaws which have been mentioned zillions of times on this forum. I get that. This game is the best non-subscription game on the market. At least you’re not wasting $12 a month on this game!

Have you seen the patch notes for 2.4?
That’s more new content in 1 patch than Guildwars has ever had + everything from next year if they keep going down the same road. I would be so happy if I had to pay GW2 a couple of bucks a month and they would pump out this kind of patches with this kind of content.
But that’s all a matter of opinion I guess.

Oh and btw, housing is not only for guilds anymore, they introduced personal housing in the latest patch, which added tons of other stuff too.

wasted.6817:

I’am surprised mod haven’t locked this thread yet. It completely derailed since yday.

Since this is a whiteknight thread they won’t lock it so many people can see how great everything is. Threads that say bad things about the game, even though it is well argumented etc. etc. will get locked really quick(I’m pointing at a lot of threads in the past that just said some things about the game they don’t like to hear, but are really facts), or they will just get piled up in a huge merge thread(look at the traits thread).

That’s just the sad reality about mod’s and devs thats going on on these forums.

ReV.6097:

Illuminati.2431:

I started FF14 2 months ago and I absolutely love it.

My cousin just started it a few months ago, and has gone there full time, with a few of our guildies.
I really liked the look of the game, but I have trouble keeping myself from getting bored with all the npc quests. I know that’s only temporary, and shouldn’t be a distraction from the rest of the game. I got the disc version on PS3 to try at some point anyway.
Have fun

I am max level(minimum item level though, hit lvl 50 yesterday) and I have done that with almost no regular npc quests:) Main story line quests is a single player game on its own IMO, and if you folow that you’ll get nice xp, since there is about 3-4 quests per level. Almost every 4 levels introduces a new dungeon, which give’s nice XP too. Your class hunting log and your Grand Company hunting log gives nice XP too. I think I did about 4 or 5 regular npc quests. I save the rest for when I’ll level up any of the other classes on this char so I can start playing around with playstyles:) But atm im training my mount and obtaining gear for him. He’s my hybrid healer/dps:)

Wow, a nice thread for players to announce their leaving. No trollers or flamers:) I like this.
Now I’m also gonna say goodbye:) Left the game a couple of months ago(logging in to see the daily challenges, doing 1 or 2 and then leave because I can’t force myself to do it isn’t what I call playing the game), but I was still active on the forums. So now I’m also gonna say goodbye to that. I will go on these forums once a month or so to see if anything has happened that I like, but that will be it:)
I wish all the players that still love to play this a game happy gaming hours! I had a blast for 1.5 years, I hope you will too, and maybe longer:)

And for the players asking for alternative MMO’s: I started FF14 2 months ago and I absolutely love it. The patch that comes out in 2 weeks introduces personal housing, and around nov we will get a new class. So if you are searching for alternatives MMO’s, that would be my recommendation:) Do with it as you please^^

Goodbye:)

Porterhouse.6304:

Personally, I would have also said they are pulling a Star Wars Galaxies. There is a great link to the death of that game here…

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/714/gameID/6

Some great quotes from that article. Do they seem familiar to GW2?

“The problem is summed up nicely: Antagonizing your existing playerbase in the hopes of attracting a mythical “audience who doesn’t play, but will once we make these changes” almost never works. The “silent majority” never materializes, and your current base is alienated due to changes that they did not want.”

“While marketing campaigns no doubt contribute some assistance, true marketing comes from word of mouth. The veterans of a game are the ones who bring their friends and family to these games, and in turn they recruit more. You need to retain veterans in order to get them to bring in new customers. The veterans are also those who help out the new players to achieve veteran status themselves. We gamers all have our stories of starting an MMO, being completely lost and clueless, until a veteran came along and provided their insight and wisdom on how to progress in the game. A marketing campaign cannot achieve this, no matter how slick. With substantially fewer veterans to help out new players, their chances of sticking around are reduced, and fewer subscriptions are retained.”

I can easily picture a bunch of suits, who have never played a video game in their life, sitting around a large office table trying to come up with idea’s on how to boost sales. And if you’re not a Yes Man, you loose your job.

We’re already riding the death spiral.

This EXACTLY describes how I feel! Great post.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Illuminati.2431:

While I really think a CDI about guilds would be very usefull, I just think it wouldn’t be very usefull to discuss guild related things at this time.
The forum is flooded with (healthy and constructive)discussions/raging/complaining etc. about the latest feature patch. That’s what is moving the forum right now.

I think it would be best if someone of the development team, doesn’t necessarily has to be Chris, would first open some kind of CDI regarding the latest feature patch.

I would really like to see improvents on guilds, don’t get me wrong, I just think we won’t get 100% out if it while the majority of the forum is moved by another thing.

Many others and myself are reading the other threads. i think its best to hear all the comments and give folks more time to play with their alts before discussing so……

….once i get my doc finished then let’s begin the CDI.

Chris

I didn’t mean the level experience, I was talking about everything the feature patch delivered. There is a lot of discussion going on about the Trading Post as well…
I agree about that before we start a discussion about the leveling changes, people should be given more time with their alts.

But then again, it’s your CDI, not mine haha:)

While I really think a CDI about guilds would be very usefull, I just think it wouldn’t be very usefull to discuss guild related things at this time.
The forum is flooded with (healthy and constructive)discussions/raging/complaining etc. about the latest feature patch. That’s what is moving the forum right now.

I think it would be best if someone of the development team, doesn’t necessarily has to be Chris, would first open some kind of CDI regarding the latest feature patch.

I would really like to see improvents on guilds, don’t get me wrong, I just think we won’t get 100% out if it while the majority of the forum is moved by another thing.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

So the question now is the current environment conducive to starting a CDI or should I wait a few days?

Chris

Starting a CDI now is always a good thing. But since the CDI will be about guilds, I think the thread will be trashed by people who are outraged about the recent feature patch. But that’s just my 2 cents.

Starting a CDI? Good
Starting a CDI about guilds while the forum is talking about something way different? Not a good idea.

But that’s just my opinion, I think the CDI that was intended for guild talk will bare its fruit more if you wait a couple of days

Guys, I was just trolling the threads. Just like Anet likes to troll me a a huge % of their own playerbase.

I tried it with reason, trying to get healthy discussions, they don’t listen. Maybe trolling helps:)

cephiroth.6182:

Having the WvW tournament and a new story realease at the same time would be too confusing.

HAHA I litteraly ROFL’d there

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Just read this:

http://dulfy.net/2014/09/10/gw2-season-2-living-story-returns-nov-4/

Why is LS being delayed another 2 months?

You claim to have a 2-week release schedule and put out content faster than any other mmo… yet this is only true for 4 weeks, then a 12 week break…How is that different from any other MMO?

Why the delay?

It’s different because if you sum up the content we get trough LS, it doesn’t even come close to the amount of content a regular expansion has.

So they are different, but in a negative way.

I THINK the delay is to ‘look back’ at what happened and then hype us up again for part 2 of this season.

Omg this video EXACTLY describes all the FLAWS, all the KITTENUPS, everything.

GG A-net, thanks for ruining a great franchises name.

It also gave me a great laugh, I really recommend this short video, even if you like the patch. Really made my day.

Vayne.8563:

So you’re saying a mod removed it, instead of closing the thread like they usually do, when like well over half the first page is complaints anyway?

Based on what exactly? I don’t even think the mods are awake yet.

Yeah, usually they will just close the thread. But about 7 hours ago the first and second page indeed were full of complaints(may it be troll complaints or serious well argumented complaints, that doesn’t matter here atm), so I just saw threads dissappear when I refreshed the page. I just saw it happen:O

They trashed alot of topics a couple of hours ago. Forum was full of complaints.
Some where troll complaints, some where serious, constructive complains.

Better to ignore all the flaws in your game than to actually admit and adress them.

On the second page of the General Discussion forum is someone who had this problem too, but fixed it:) Hope that helps

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/SweetFX-How-to-make-it-work/first#post4380641

A dev in disguise?

Vayne.8563:

Strangely enough, I answer posts like yours for the same exact reason that you leave them. Because I want people to see the other side too.
But you see what you do is constructive and what I do isn’t. I understand now.

Then I’ll quote your second post, which was the first reply to any of my posts:

So what you’re saying is you’re posting to deliberately deny Anet sales because you personally don’t like the game? On a company’s forum? I’m not sure I’d like to do that.

Wow, much other side showing.
Much constructive.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Illuminati.2431:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Illuminati.2431:

Rich Fuel.7253:

do you guyz post the food that you eat on facebook
or tell us in twiter that your trying out new shoes
or call your friends to tell them you just lost 1 kg
NO BODY CARES
i understand that there are post that are full of complains that Anet are getting some feedback out of them,
but what would any 1 expect to gain wen they say" well i played 2 years that game >>>>>>>> over there is better bye"
will our Good Byes or No Dont Leave will change anything?
P.S. i played for 2 years and still love this game like the 1st day of play

I think it does change things. Potential new players come to forums of games to see what the community that actually cares enough about the game to post on forums is like. When they see all this, I believe someone who considered buying the game but wasn’t fully convinced, might not buy it after all. Many of the people in my gaming circle, including me, work KIND OF like this way. So I guess it might change things, but again, that’s just a guess based on own experiences, so it might be as well it changes nothing.

Wow… you and your friends do miss alot then Going after what other people thinks and not getting your own opinion is… So wrong.

If you are a poor student and don’t have that much money to spent on games, you will take into consideration what other people think. If I had the money to spare, sure, I wouldn’t work this way, because hey, if I don’t like this game I just buy the next one and see if I like that one. Unfortunately, this doesn’t go for every gamer. I know I miss alot, but I can only spent my money 1 time, so it better be well spent.

Maby you should start looking on Reviews (Youtube works since they usually shows video previews of the games) instead on reading what people says on forums, I am pretty sure that if you listened to what people say on forums you would never ever buy a game.

I just happen to do both, and form a general opinion for myself as far as I can do that.
I don’t base it entirely on the forums, but I take it with me like I take the opinions of, indeed, youtubers, review sites etc with me to form that general opinion of a game.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Illuminati.2431:

Rich Fuel.7253:

do you guyz post the food that you eat on facebook
or tell us in twiter that your trying out new shoes
or call your friends to tell them you just lost 1 kg
NO BODY CARES
i understand that there are post that are full of complains that Anet are getting some feedback out of them,
but what would any 1 expect to gain wen they say" well i played 2 years that game >>>>>>>> over there is better bye"
will our Good Byes or No Dont Leave will change anything?
P.S. i played for 2 years and still love this game like the 1st day of play

I think it does change things. Potential new players come to forums of games to see what the community that actually cares enough about the game to post on forums is like. When they see all this, I believe someone who considered buying the game but wasn’t fully convinced, might not buy it after all. Many of the people in my gaming circle, including me, work KIND OF like this way. So I guess it might change things, but again, that’s just a guess based on own experiences, so it might be as well it changes nothing.

Wow… you and your friends do miss alot then Going after what other people thinks and not getting your own opinion is… So wrong.

If you are a poor student and don’t have that much money to spent on games, you will take into consideration what other people think. If I had the money to spare, sure, I wouldn’t work this way, because hey, if I don’t like this game I just buy the next one and see if I like that one. Unfortunately, this doesn’t go for every gamer. I know I miss alot, but I can only spent my money 1 time, so it better be well spent.

zenleto.6179:

Illuminati.2431:

Rich Fuel.7253:

do you guyz post the food that you eat on facebook
or tell us in twiter that your trying out new shoes
or call your friends to tell them you just lost 1 kg
NO BODY CARES
i understand that there are post that are full of complains that Anet are getting some feedback out of them,
but what would any 1 expect to gain wen they say" well i played 2 years that game >>>>>>>> over there is better bye"
will our Good Byes or No Dont Leave will change anything?
P.S. i played for 2 years and still love this game like the 1st day of play

I think it does change things. Potential new players come to forums of games to see what the community that actually cares enough about the game to post on forums is like. When they see all this, I believe someone who considered buying the game but wasn’t fully convinced, might not buy it after all. Many of the people in my gaming circle, including me, work KIND OF like this way. So I guess it might change things, but again, that’s just a guess based on own experiences, so it might be as well it changes nothing.

People should experience things for themselves and not trust the word of anonymous strangers. Good friends yes but not strangers. Its a bit of a gamble if they read that some people think that a game is poor and but they’ll never know if they would like it or not if they don’t try it out. Experienced mmo players should know what gaming forums are like, at least. And game companies and retailers give refunds now so its not even that much of a gamble.

Yeah, that would be the ideal situation. First experience it for yourself. +1 from me. But I know a lot of people that don’t have that much money. They can’t buy games they might like, because they can only afford a couple of games. If they buy a game they might like, but come out empty handed they feel like they have wasted money and time. That is literally how some people see it. It’s the same as Metacritic and any other review site. They say what THEY think the game is like, and people that don’t have a lot of money to spare really take those opinions in consideration. And those are also the people that would take forum comments into consideration.

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Rich Fuel.7253:

do you guyz post the food that you eat on facebook
or tell us in twiter that your trying out new shoes
or call your friends to tell them you just lost 1 kg
NO BODY CARES
i understand that there are post that are full of complains that Anet are getting some feedback out of them,
but what would any 1 expect to gain wen they say" well i played 2 years that game >>>>>>>> over there is better bye"
will our Good Byes or No Dont Leave will change anything?
P.S. i played for 2 years and still love this game like the 1st day of play

I think it does change things. Potential new players come to forums of games to see what the community that actually cares enough about the game to post on forums is like. When they see all this, I believe someone who considered buying the game but wasn’t fully convinced, might not buy it after all. Many of the people in my gaming circle, including me, work KIND OF like this way. So I guess it might change things, but again, that’s just a guess based on own experiences, so it might be as well it changes nothing.

So what you’re saying is you’re posting to deliberately deny Anet sales because you personally don’t like the game? On a company’s forum? I’m not sure I’d like to do that.

Nope. I’m posting to let others read my opinion. If they feel the same way, it’s their own decision to buy the game or not. I post with the intention to let others read my opinion. People have their own feelings and opinions. Thats why person 1 might tend to feel better with gamer 1’s opinion, and person 2 might tend to see that gamer’s 2 opinion fits him more. So if people that kind of expect/want etc. the same things from games as I do, at least they know what my experiences with those things are. Could save them time and money, or they could not care because they don’t feel the same way about certain things as I do. I don’t post to ‘delibrerately deny sales’. If everyone would only read your white knight posts, I think everyone that’s considering to buy the game and goes to the forum for more opinions, and all they read are your white knight opinions, a lot would be dissapointed after some playtime.

But then again, I’m not going to discuss with you, because 1: again you are halting the topic and a healthy discussion. and 2: I wouldn’t even call it discussing what you are doing.

Rich Fuel.7253:

do you guyz post the food that you eat on facebook
or tell us in twiter that your trying out new shoes
or call your friends to tell them you just lost 1 kg
NO BODY CARES
i understand that there are post that are full of complains that Anet are getting some feedback out of them,
but what would any 1 expect to gain wen they say" well i played 2 years that game >>>>>>>> over there is better bye"
will our Good Byes or No Dont Leave will change anything?
P.S. i played for 2 years and still love this game like the 1st day of play

I think it does change things. Potential new players come to forums of games to see what the community that actually cares enough about the game to post on forums is like. When they see all this, I believe someone who considered buying the game but wasn’t fully convinced, might not buy it after all. Many of the people in my gaming circle, including me, work KIND OF like this way. So I guess it might change things, but again, that’s just a guess based on own experiences, so it might be as well it changes nothing.

Im excited about feature packs that bring QoL changes.
In my opinion, this feature pack doesn’t bring QoL changes, it brings features that should have been in the game from the beginning.
After 2 years you can finally filter out light, medium and heavy armor. lol.
Some changes are good by the way and really are good QoL changes, it’s not that I think everything is bad or negative, some thing are really good I think.

But to answer your question: No, not excited.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

It has been confirmed a while ago that vayne’s reason d’etre is to find any and all threads about GW, about leaving GW2, or about providing criticism about GW2, and then derail them as much as possible to obscure the original point of a particular OP.

Naturally, it appears such derails do not qualify for moderation, as they coincide with the company stance on such issues (or such would be my best guess, at least).

Needless to say, I expect prompt moderation and deletion of this post, on the other hand.

And I assume you think your post is on topic somehow?

And you assume anything after your 2nd post in this topic was constructive?

And on alot of other topics after the 1st or 2nd post.

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Azrael.4960:

These blasted threads. Every time I see a variant on “why I left GW2?” I mentally answer "quite frankly my dear I don’t give a kitten "

I can see why you think that, but they keep popping up more and more. That’s a serious indication this game is losing a lot of players. People that actually care enough about the game and go to the forums to post things. Now they even care enough that they are posting that they are leaving.
It isn’t good advertising for new players either. Usually, when I’m going to play a new MMO, I first check a couple of things, including their forums. If you look in here, those potentional new players see alot of players complaining(whether the complaints are well argumented or just QQ doens’t matter in this case), and they see lots of players leaving. That’s bad publicity for this game. It’s not like no new player will come, but I’m almost certain a couple of players who wheren’t convinced to buy and play this game or not, didn’t do it after all because of what they saw on the forums.

So indeed, it’s easy to say I don’t give a kitten, I don’t think alot of us do(you could put it in another way though:p), but it’s something that really needs to be taken seriously.

At least, in my opinion that is…..

You mean like three a week? It was just as bad a couple of years ago. That’s not more and more. I’ve had more people who left come back to the game in the last week than there have been leaving posts on these forums and that’s just one little guild.

My guild had 167 members, only 21 are left. 8 came back and now 7 are gone. Out of those 28 now, 13 started playing AA and have gone inactive in GW2. Quite the opposite to you. And honestly, I don’t think even a major update of the expansion-pack size would bring even 20 people back. It’s a missed opportunity, I think. But who knows, if GW3 comes out, we will all be back again! ( I hope! )

I THINK, that if gw3 folows some gw1 rules instead of 2, a lot more people would come back yes. At least, thats what everyone around me says. If gw3 is going to be a polished gw2 with the same ‘business plan’ etc., they wont return.

In your own words…okay. Doesn’t change the fact that this is not nearly the worst exodus we’ve seen from the game.

People have been leaving all along. People have been joining all along. People have been coming back all along.

I understand that you think this is some massive exodus that is somehow going to rob this game of every living body. I understand that’s your opinion.

But what you’re actually doing is venturing an opinion about something factual. I can have an opinion about how many people live in NYC, except there’s a factual number of people living in NYC and my opinion is largely irrelevant. Why? Because how many people are leaving isn’t really a matter of opinion.

I like the game is an opinion. I don’t like this game is an opinion. People are leaving in droves or a lot of people leaving is you venturing an opinion about a fact. I suggest there’s a subtle difference.

At any rate, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

And you have the exact numbers about people leaving and coming back to the game?
That all depends on who you play with. In your gaming circle it may be whole different than for someone else’s gaming circle.

You can look up the population of NYC. You can’’t look up how many people have left gw2 and came back. Because we don’t have those numbers. All I’m doing is basing my opinion off on what I see on the forums and in my gaming circle. And like I stated before, everybody’s gaming circle can differ very much from one another. That’s why there are many different opinions.

I agree. You can’t look up how many people are leaving the game, but there are a specific number of people leaving. And we don’t know it. So venturing an opinion on it is, in my opinion, pointless.

It’s a conversation that helps nobody. It’s right or wrong, no one knows. It’s not constructive. It leads nowhere.

But it does have a harmful effect if someone believes it, whether it’s true or not. If I say something harmful, I’m going to try to state things factually. Not venture an opinion based on observation that I know only tells a small part of the story.

Ok, you can go state your things fractually. Do what ever you want. Like this converstation about you having the need, and urge, and whatever, to convince me about something is helping anybody? Hell, I even don’t know if you are convincing me. I dunno what the hell you’re doing.
You can’t let it rest, but I will, so case closed(for me).

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Azrael.4960:

These blasted threads. Every time I see a variant on “why I left GW2?” I mentally answer "quite frankly my dear I don’t give a kitten "

I can see why you think that, but they keep popping up more and more. That’s a serious indication this game is losing a lot of players. People that actually care enough about the game and go to the forums to post things. Now they even care enough that they are posting that they are leaving.
It isn’t good advertising for new players either. Usually, when I’m going to play a new MMO, I first check a couple of things, including their forums. If you look in here, those potentional new players see alot of players complaining(whether the complaints are well argumented or just QQ doens’t matter in this case), and they see lots of players leaving. That’s bad publicity for this game. It’s not like no new player will come, but I’m almost certain a couple of players who wheren’t convinced to buy and play this game or not, didn’t do it after all because of what they saw on the forums.

So indeed, it’s easy to say I don’t give a kitten, I don’t think alot of us do(you could put it in another way though:p), but it’s something that really needs to be taken seriously.

At least, in my opinion that is…..

You mean like three a week? It was just as bad a couple of years ago. That’s not more and more. I’ve had more people who left come back to the game in the last week than there have been leaving posts on these forums and that’s just one little guild.

My guild had 167 members, only 21 are left. 8 came back and now 7 are gone. Out of those 28 now, 13 started playing AA and have gone inactive in GW2. Quite the opposite to you. And honestly, I don’t think even a major update of the expansion-pack size would bring even 20 people back. It’s a missed opportunity, I think. But who knows, if GW3 comes out, we will all be back again! ( I hope! )

I THINK, that if gw3 folows some gw1 rules instead of 2, a lot more people would come back yes. At least, thats what everyone around me says. If gw3 is going to be a polished gw2 with the same ‘business plan’ etc., they wont return.

In your own words…okay. Doesn’t change the fact that this is not nearly the worst exodus we’ve seen from the game.

People have been leaving all along. People have been joining all along. People have been coming back all along.

I understand that you think this is some massive exodus that is somehow going to rob this game of every living body. I understand that’s your opinion.

But what you’re actually doing is venturing an opinion about something factual. I can have an opinion about how many people live in NYC, except there’s a factual number of people living in NYC and my opinion is largely irrelevant. Why? Because how many people are leaving isn’t really a matter of opinion.

I like the game is an opinion. I don’t like this game is an opinion. People are leaving in droves or a lot of people leaving is you venturing an opinion about a fact. I suggest there’s a subtle difference.

At any rate, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

And you have the exact numbers about people leaving and coming back to the game?
That all depends on who you play with. In your gaming circle it may be whole different than for someone else’s gaming circle.

You can look up the population of NYC. You can’’t look up how many people have left gw2 and came back. Because we don’t have those numbers. All I’m doing is basing my opinion off on what I see on the forums and in my gaming circle. And like I stated before, everybody’s gaming circle can differ very much from one another. That’s why there are many different opinions.

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Azrael.4960:

These blasted threads. Every time I see a variant on “why I left GW2?” I mentally answer "quite frankly my dear I don’t give a kitten "

I can see why you think that, but they keep popping up more and more. That’s a serious indication this game is losing a lot of players. People that actually care enough about the game and go to the forums to post things. Now they even care enough that they are posting that they are leaving.
It isn’t good advertising for new players either. Usually, when I’m going to play a new MMO, I first check a couple of things, including their forums. If you look in here, those potentional new players see alot of players complaining(whether the complaints are well argumented or just QQ doens’t matter in this case), and they see lots of players leaving. That’s bad publicity for this game. It’s not like no new player will come, but I’m almost certain a couple of players who wheren’t convinced to buy and play this game or not, didn’t do it after all because of what they saw on the forums.

So indeed, it’s easy to say I don’t give a kitten, I don’t think alot of us do(you could put it in another way though:p), but it’s something that really needs to be taken seriously.

At least, in my opinion that is…..

You mean like three a week? It was just as bad a couple of years ago. That’s not more and more. I’ve had more people who left come back to the game in the last week than there have been leaving posts on these forums and that’s just one little guild.

OK.

Well it’s true. I think that the November patch after launch when ascended gear was introduced saw the biggest exodus from this game. Since then nothing has come close.

It’s true, for you it is.
Like I said in the last sentence of my post, ITS MY OPINION.
When I browse the forums, I get a different feeling about things than you do. That’s why we are different people. 1 thing can make me laugh while you could become angry about it. 1 thing can make me cry while you feel nothing about it. That’s human feelings and emotion.
All I said is my FEELING when I browse the forums. And then you can counterargument all you want, that wont change my feeling.

Were you here back when ascended armor released. We lost a huge number of people. I mean a huge number. This isn’t just an opinion. We see a couple of leaving posts now, but back then, the forums pretty much exploded.

Dude, do you have something in you that really gives you the urge that people must see it the way you see it.
You keep throwing these so called facts and other kitten to me, but really, if u can’t accept me having another feeling with something, not even an opinion, but an impression and feeling, then well…..