Guild Wars 2

Don’t underestimate VS, they always back off / play less when a new powerhouse moves in. VS are the masters at winning the war but holding their own in “battles”. Sad to see you going inactive Troma, i just hope your server doesn’t go through the same kitten BT did when Maxs (XAOC) packed his bags.

Zilly.3279:

Hey there,

First, welcome back to Elona, its good to see some competition back.

Ins, move your kitten on EB and try to come get me, it will be prett fun

Zilly Guardian [MN]

Wish i could mate, stuck at work for another 5 hours ;( If only you could get paid to command in gw2 haha.

Should be on for an hour or 2 when i get in, i’ll /w ya and we’ll meet up with the blobs for a fight if no-one is commanding on Deso EB ^^

Getting stuck on siege that’s just been built or getting stuck on a AC and only way to get out of it is to WP.

26 guilds turned up to the server meeting last week. As for queues EB usually has 10-30 minute queue from 1600-2100. 2 borderlands are nearly always unmanned and Deso BL sometimes has a queue during prime time.

suprNovae.5410:

We hoped for more entertaining fights on EB and at the beginning it was pretty laggy but this night turned out to a very amazing one! Much respect to the pug zerg of Desolation this night. You always showed the will to fight and you were really organised compared to other pug zergs.
Just out of curiosity… which guild did the leading pug leader belong to? (recognized a few guild tags everytime)

There was 2 of us leading from INVI, we tried VS’s strategy of running a Melee Group commander (myself) and a Ranged Group commander (Haley Targaryen). Was our first time trying it and I think we managed to get 60 people on TS, was going really well till you guys turned up and was a constant thorn in our side haha

Well played though looking forward to more.

Awesome fighting all day round in EB, had some epic moments hehe. Siegeing Klovan for what seemed like an eternity till we finally bled you dry and managed to get in lol

majessive.8910:

Desolation, do you really want to fight Vizu?
Why did you have to zerg us down together with Vizu when we had trebs and deff setup in Rogue´s Quarry to capture Wildcreek Run?
Next time please use your brains!!!
Something like that never happened in T2 – When one faction was about to put a Tower back to wood – We let them do their thing and don´t attack them – and that goes for Elona, Jade and Kodash.
Well, if you think you have to defend Vizu, it´s your thing. But don´t tell us to focus on them no more. Or it´s just ridiculous!
I know that was only a part of Deso players, but it looked like your main zerg on EB.
Now we have taken Stormmist from you – are you happy now?
Really really makes us wonder.

@ Majessive we weren’t playing for points only for fights, the only reason we kept taking SM was so we could get to the fights quicker. And we hardly zerged you down with VS, we killed most of VS before taking you guys out after, was just there for the fight regardless of consequences.

Had a blast today but kudos goes out to GD from ER you tore our pugs apart if they slipped up in movement, sorry we had to blob you afew times it was the only way to kill you quick enough to fight the rest of your blob ;D

Looking forward to this match up, things are alot more lively!

If ER’s morning force can counter VS night force and ER can hold the majority of day time it should be enough to keep VS off Deso for abit hehe

Although now with ER not holding Jade Sea at bay, we could even be looking at Deso going down end of this week which would be interesting.

Will get the thread started as I’m stuck unable to play or get on TS Gl & Hf to all hopefully Elona stick around for awhile and freshen the tier up!

In EB we regularly focus VS, can’t speak for the BL’s though as I’m very rarely in them.

Haha we are allies with VS. We are opportunists and if you leave your stuff vulnerable we will take it

Bye to all the old SFR lot that stuck it out, had a lot of fun fights.

Zilly.3279:

Hahahaha so much nice fight on EB those days

I was enjoy to fight against you Ins, and hope to se you this evenning for the reset, like you said a few days ago, bring some food and beer, cause it’s gonna be a LONNNNG night

Enjoyed the goof fight until here

Zilly[MN] – Vizunah for ever.

And you mate. I’m always wary about leaving our area with you about and if you have your guys in a tower or SM it’s kitten near impossible, open field fights are always quality

And as for chasing my 5 man snipe team over and over again with ya blob not cool dude
XD

Won’t be on tonight to lay siege to your keep for hours again, I’ll try make it next weekend. Gl & hf tonight, try leave some ER for me to kill tomorrow

That would be cool Angelyne but the only problem is most guilds have left so even if VS wanted to break off into smaller groups, you’d end up taking everything faster and have to blob in the end on the last objective / the enemy would blob to defend their last tower and you’d have to counter blob and we’re back to square one.

As like in EB we fight an uphill struggle all day trying to retake everything and get it upgraded whilst VS has nearly everyone grouped together, we form a blob to counter it and by the time we have enough people listening it’s late in the afternoon and that’s when you guys start breaking off into 2-3 groups. Last night was the biggest train I think we’ve had as nearly everyone in the zone was along for the ride, it was nice to give ya a taste of ya own medicine (I mean that in a funny way, not trying to flame )

INVI has started growing quite fast and quite afew commanders are usually active but with tags down so i’m sure we could start running a guild group, EXG is still active and runs with quite alot of guys. add me ingame and we can organise to split off into 2-3 groups for fun for a night. Zilly MN has me added, we often exchange gf’s or laugh at each other when we win a blob VS blob fight it adds abit more fun to it. Like yesterday we arranged to rush through SFR land. VS had to go Anza, mendons then main SFR keep, we had to go OW, Veloka and then SFR keep and we would fight there, race against time was funny. VS won and then proceeded to wipe Deso around Veloka haha.

Jon Snow.6780:

Zerg is boring for you ? so stop zerg and maybe everybody will do the same (even if i douybt about it, unfortunatly

I lolled…again.

1 NA guild completely crushed your nightcapping Can…..ooh sorry,you have no Canadians#cough cough# zerg,and the will to fight within a week,because you lost your advantage(massive ppt at night),and now you….number1 zerg server.. are telling people what to do?
You guys practically invented 24/7 zerging on Euro T1…..out of ambition and the sake of the win.
And now it killed Euro T1,because nobody wants to come out and play.
Nothing you say,nothing you do will change the way a lot of people are looking at VZ right now,right or wrong : the server that killed the fun,their own also, and other servers, and they all want to drop and those in lower tiers dont want to go up……killed by ambition,don`t you think?
Ambition can do that,as we all see right now.

A common misconception is VS blobbed to win, they didn’t. When i very first fought them in T1 they had many guild groups running around doing their own thing and the usual pug groups. They suffered what all the superservers have and people bandwagoned there, most the guilds left and they were left with a PUG force against superserver guild groups. If i was getting farmed all night long i’d blob up to stand a chance and get some lootbags

Instead of crashing and burning they took a step back and took time to organise their PUGs. Every superserver that hit them only made them more co-ordinated and more organised after that and now they are a well oiled war machine that can hold their own and works perfectly using ingame mechanics anet designed. They didn’t create the meta or use lowly tactics to win, that was our doing when we would farm them all night

To VS this morning in EB thanks for the 2 organised fights and kitten to you Zilly you lil git, i’ll get ya next time :P

MagnusLL.8473:

Big thanks to Ins for one of the most epic tower defenses I’ve ever witnessed in WvW, on EB this morning.

Vizunah’s omniblob had nightcapped our keep as per usual, they had 3 trebs shooting an unrelenting barrage, our tower had more holes than walls standing, they tried by building ACs, ballistas… everything… they kept coming at us again and again… and they wiped again and again, until in the end we breached the wall and got back the keep and everything else shortly after

Funny thing is, T1 in its current state would be heaven for the so-called “hardcore” guilds, numbers and queues are non-existent in all maps except maybe EB and Vizunah has to come out simply because they own almost everything anyway… but all the big names left before waiting for the situation to stabilize XD

Lmao that was awesome this morning no idea how we held it. Languor had no walls or gate up. Where langor is tiny the 3 trebs constantly hitting us and poison clouds meant we couldn’t move from 1 spot and the only place we could safely get some AC down for abit was on ground floor hidden behind supply depot. So we had to just stand there and get pummelled. Think it was on their 3rd attempt they had 5 arrow carts by the keep and a ballista. We survived a good 4 Zerg attempts by VS and we held barely hehe.

It probably could be done but it would get boring sitting around VS spawns with siege all day everyday. Ratings would go up and when people start leaving again after the novelty wears off we would be utterly screwed.

+1 to what Narai said.

Although I enjoy fighting VS, if Deso keeps bleeding players at the rate it is we won’t be able to compete even in prime time which is our only time window we can actually give VS a run for their money.

Yeah it was a really fun night, drank far too much vodka though lol. Myself and Mons Grotesque [EXG] were leading EB and we had no arrangement with SFR to double team VS, we were fortified in in their keep whilst knocking down all their walls and draining what little supply they had left. We failed 3 pushes till you guys took their spawn and it bought us enough time to push in and take control of stairs leading to the gate.

It was harder this time around as we took their keep last 2 weekends so VS were ready for us, we didn’t get to jerrifers in time so had to slow grind it down giving time to vs to set up siege and get a supply chain going. Most fun reset I’ve had though TS was a right laugh lol

Goodfights in EB to all involved, yes we ended up double teaming you VS but there was no communication between Deso and SFR i promise you that it just happened. Thjanks for the fights and thanks for turning up was a truely epic night till they brought down the server

MagnusLL.8473:

I don’t get all this QQ and it’s really starting to be annoying.

Yes, we cannot win the point game against Viz. So what? Enter the map with your guild, if we’re holding no point in it all the better, you’ve the easier target already available. Play for 2-3 hours (or however long you want), check the state of the map when you log out, is it better than when you started? Gratz, you won today’s engagement. Forget about Viz and what they do when you’re offline, why do you even care? If they upgraded everything to T3 it’s even better, the higher they are the harder they fall and they DO fall, believe me, if you put the effort in.

What gets me is all the people who proclaimed they are hardcore are the ones who gave up. Apparently nowadays “hardcore” = “I run away if I get kittenslapped more than a couple weeks in a row”. Meh.

Exactly my point of view, i cant remember the last time i checked gw2 matchups, and i couldn’t give a kitten about what we own when i log in. I just enjoy winning that section of timeframe we choose to play. Hardcore players / guilds win the battles but it’s the casual pugs that win the war.

I have always given VS kudos, i stuck around on BT fighting them to the bitter end till BT dropped so i transferred to Deso to keep fighting them for 1 simple reason. They are always online meaning there is always something to kill, and the best bit about logging on in the afternoon is their zerg hasnt been wiped for ages so they are worth loads of wxp

Keep it up VS, the true kings of WvW how Anet intended. They might be labelled cowards and bores but i love fighting you guys

Aye the Borderlands are boring but in EB primetime Deso can often match VS and it’s a slaughterfest and i love it. I’ve always played for the fights, and usually laugh when we get blobbed instead of coming to the forums and raging about it. I never have a problem when running small scale groups because it’s always a laugh on TS, Bennyhill music is always quite fitting when getting chased down by VS.

So to all the moaners hurry up and leave, to all the rest just crack open a beer, log into EB and go smash each others heads in

Well things will only get more more boring for VS now as IRON are reducing play time and no longer playing competitively. Eternal IRON had plans to leave IRON triangle anyway but was disbanded by someone last night so we’re currently thinking of a guild name.

Cya in EB for the next few months till we drop

I agree with most of what Perish said except the fact that it’s always fun. I still have that feeling of “Cant wait to finish to get home and login to wvw” because you make your own fun in this game. Getting blobbed aint fun but it is fun trying smaller scale stuff and trying to avoid the zerg.

Whilst i wouldn’t mind dropping to T2, i could quite happily stay in T1 frighting on EB 24/7 hehe

This thread is finally heading where it should be now all the fairweather trolls have left SFR, most of Desos moaners have jumped ship and we’re left with people that actually work as a team and enjoy / respect fighting the ‘enemy’

Been doing something similiar with Zilly from MN whenever he is leading the blob in EB and i’m leading Deso. A quick whisper “Come get me” and the hunt is on, we usually bump into each other and the zergs collide. It’s always pretty 50/50 with both of us epically failing sometimes but it’s fun to actually form a connection with indivduals that you are fighting, they’re not just another red name in a sea of red.

Zilly, to you, i shall see you in EB tonight, bring popcorn and bring alcohol cause it’s going to be a lonnnng night

Fun fights on EB, Eternal IRON had quite a lot on and enjoyed fights against MN and Meta. Has some nice clashes with all 3 servers. Needs to be like this more often, to he’ll with siege :p

Dyno.9467:

This is mental, Viz are playing how WvW should be played 24 hrs a day, so what do we all do?? Quit and move to tier 3,4 ,5,6,7,8 “for better fights” your moving cause its easier.

As much as i dont like you Viz players, keep doing what your doing your playing the game how it should be

Exactly this, every server is quick to say how bad vs are, when they multiple guilds holding each BL and EB. As soon as the guilds leave the same server jumps on the forum moaning about VS blobbing and their coverage because they have nothing to counter it and are losing.

Vs have coverage and that will keep them in t1, they also have better organisation. And by this I don’t mean the main thing people kitten about, the fighting, I mean all the small things. They nearly always have someone on dollys, always have 1-2 scouts in towers and are quick to get 5-6 into the tower to man siege and suppress and lastly they always have sniper squads. They blob because they can afford to, they only start faltering when brute force is thrown at them or they are double teamed.

All i have to say is kitten great job in eb tonight those that were there, there is no force that can outstand our push. stack more please i enjoy the lootbags. Till next weeekend mofos! rofl

In all seriousness thank you for the fights in EB tonight it was intense. I LUV JOO ALL XD

Yoke.4671:

VS has been a plague since last august, Its the biggest flaw/off-put of tier1 and the reason so many guilds/players have left Tier1 for greener pastures. VS can say what they want about Anet and the way WvW is, I’m not going to say they are wrong, this aint about right or wrong. This is about one server pretty much ruining wvw for everyone else regardless if they are right/have the right to do it.

Id feel a little bit ashamed if I was a VS citizen right now to be honest. Its a shame Anet cant create a new tier just for VS, split it up into 3 thirds and they can fight each other in blobs. And let the rest of the servers have a somewhat fair fight most weeks. Its the way of life in alot of things, one person always has to spoil the fun, kitten shame.

Why are they a plaque, because they adapted into what is the most efficient mono-guild around? They play to win the game and they are winning it, there is no denying that. What they do to achieve this goal maybe frowned upon but it’s perfectly legal.

If the best guilds had the patience and didn’t want to go it alone they could wipe the floor with VS. But they get bored, wiping puggies over and over is boring apparently.

As for me, i don’t care who i’m fighting or what i’m fighting, there’s a sense of accomplishment when winning against the odds. People on here should spend more time out in the game fighting than kittening and trolling on the forums. Maybe then, you will accomplish something ^^

Fun fights in EB tonight, bout the only time VS are at a disadvantage with no supply and no siege :P Gimme more loots bags

Lol at all the hate thrown towards VS.

I’ll say kudos to VS, spent atleast 4-5 months fighting against you on BT first then Deso and I’ve mostly had fun doing so. VS once had a strong guild presence at the start of their T1 reign, the guilds started leaving and they succeeded where every other server that hits that point have failed. They rallied the pugs, trained and worked with them until they created a community that doesn’t suffer so much from burn out and doesn’t depend on ‘good fights’ to keep the fun.

They’ve always had a FOTM server move up and slaughter them for afew weeks, the fair weather players disappear and they get a little more defensive and just weather the storm as it were. As the other servers fighting them start to tire / grow bored, Troma blows his horn and the fair weathers come back which just leads to the other servers fail cascading with the zombie apocalypse in every wvw match, you kill 5 and 10 will replace them lol.

Can flame me or whatever but at the end of the day they play the same game and they are still reigning champions, everyone says they don’t care about the points, but if they truly didn’t they’d be out there purely fighting and enjoying the game. There’s plenty of ways to draw vs into fighting you and the fights are usually fun. Skill lag sucks, but I’ve actually started growing fond of the larger fights.

Every server that hit VS caused them to blob up, would you run around in a 30 man pug group with some of the best guilds in game against you with even numbers and dying all night long? They blobbed to kill the guilds, the guilds leave and their blob is now well trained and the other servers can’t compete as well.

Well played VS you’ve held out another round and I doubt there will be another major contender for awhile, suppose some of you can finally take a break lmao.

And just to add my opinion on people complaining about numbers and blobs:

We all caused it whether aware of it or not, VS have been in tier 1 so long simply because of their PUG army. PUGs win the war, guilds win the battles. Every FOTM server that has reached tier 1 has always been pitted against VS, First Deso with their US force, then along came BT with Xaoc dominating early time zone and then the EU prime time guilds controlling everything, and now SFR.

Every FOTM server that has gone against VS has only strengthened VS, the difference in them now from when I fought them on BT is very different, they react faster, they fight a lot more organised and they are quicker to split their pug force to hit 2 things at once working more like 2 guilds rather than 2 pug armies.

When a server stays in T1 for along time they get swarmed with extra transfers that increase queue times and act independently of those on the server, often causing players that are originally from that server to become annoyed or frustrated. Guilds slowly fall apart or transfer away. Then people that are used to rolling in organised groups go inactive because the fun disappears, you are just let with a few die hard guilds that stick it out and pugs.

Deso is doing well because the old school are still around training and teaching the pugs, VS are around cause they are the PUG army masters and SFR still has a solid guild make up. I can honestly see SFR going on the decline in the next 2-3 weeks, RG will be transferring soon no doubt due to wanting to roll as a guild without massive queues and more gvg fights to be had, once they go afew might start to think it’d be a good idea. After that is when a server truly becomes a community because they are left with the core and a pug army to work with.

Too many beers and kinda lost where I was going with this but the spuds are done so time to stop rambling lol

Tarsius.3170:

My thanks to deso and viz, we were thinking of making our Keep more open plan and airy – I love what you’ve done with the place.

I was leading Deso all day in EB and this cracked me up, nice one

Deso had no where near the numbers to compete against SFR or VS on our own so we thought we’d join in with VS and grab what points we could that were on the table. Nothing wrong with that is there? haha

To be fair, SFR held out really well, if VS pushed in i’d take us round to your spawn and wipe what we could there, after that wasn’t working we decided to turn the keep into swiss cheese. Just as things got interesting a VS blob moved by overlook so we fell back and then after that there was no co-ordinated push from us and VS.

So just a free for all in SFR land. Had a fun day, died alot more times than won actual proper fights mainly to peoples inability to listen (those that did ty!)

Got another day off work tomorrow, cya in EB

And just to be clear we didnt focus you 100% of the time, we kitten VS off afew times trebbing SM and hitting bavrost, they were to quick to react and we were to few to take anything

They should just add a commander chat channel that works like a guild. Once you tag up you get the option to join a private chat channel to better communicate between BL and EB.

Some insane open field fighting going on in EB. Think everyone was just fighting ignoring towers etc for the first hour or two lol Afew SS’s just ignore the gfx i need a new computer

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Lol SFR will never change, they moaned about anything and everything 3 months ago against BT and still the same. As for Deso in T1 I imagine we’ll be here for another 2 weeks until the Easter holidays hit, then Elona will pay T1 a visit like they always do during holidays. Then we get 2 relaxing weeks in T2 to restock our gold supplies lol

Deso was getting 2vs1’d heavily yesterday in EB early afternoon time, no-one moaned we just built siege and watched the loot bags roll in. Then Iron came rolling through and took everything back so all ended well hehe.

Fun fights, loving the game being back. Grief moar!

Had fun today in EB from early till late, was nice to have some CIR back in game having a laugh. SM fight that went on for well over an hour was intense, VS did well to hold us off that long hehe

Enjoying gw2 currently, alot of decent guilds on Deso that are nice to work along side. Looking forward to more

First time i’ve played for more than an hour in last month and had a blast, just getting warmed up before the update hits.

Thanks for all the fights today in EB, SM switched so much lost count. And thanks to everyone that followed was one of the better pug leading days as we had no actual guilds rolling around bar DKR early in the afternoon.

Def looking forward to playing more and hopefully more CIR come back once the update hits.

It wasn’t just 1-2 indivduals. Saw 3-4 main guilds all quite happy to use it whilst running around with them, using it multiple times. This morning for instance there was members of 3 big guilds and they went over the south outer FOUR times to attack bay inner before finally taking it. Each time their siege was destroyed they ran to supply, warped over outer and attacked inner.

Once yeah maybe they thought a mesmer hid inside but not 4 times.

Post removed so meh.

To sum up yeah i left and joined Deso because of all the “unfair” gameplay certain guilds have shown over the last few days. lol

Was a pleasure fighting and working alongside you guys for months. Maxs leaving is a huge blow to BT and CIRs all but gone with afew other guilds. Hopefully we bump into you in the future.

All the best Xaoc, you are a force to be reckoned with

Never have any problem moving around with Axe / Mace & Sword / Warhorn. No point wasting points in disc as you can keep 100% swiftness with the above & Elite.

saVdoom.2067:

Zerg fights is the main word here, i think by that he does not mean a normal fight where you’ll have planned your engagement and positioning, pre-buffing (like you usually do, and like it is shown in the couple videos posted).

He means if you head-to-head meet the opposite zerg being 3x your numbers you will not survive if you try the engagement, because skill is not a decisive factor in WvWvW in such fights. Positioning, planning and composition are though. If you consider those to be “skill” then by all means.. keep arguing till the end of times.

Of course you wont win, because no amount of skill is going to save you from your stupidity. If you head to head meet a 30 man zerg you get the hell out of there before they can kill you. For instance, a very skilled player could kill 4 people, but he couldn’t do it if he was poorly geared. Same applys to your small man group, you need to get everyone up to a set point to be able to kill them quickly enough to win. So again it all comes down to individual skill in the battle. 10 unskilled people would charge through the zerg hitting auto attack till a) they die or b) the enemy dies. A group of 10 skilled players would first position themselves correctly whilst moving and secondly use abilities / skills / autoattacks where they are needed, not just button smashing hoping for the best. (Using abilities to split the zerg up or buy enough time to correct a mistake)

You then create the scenario and take control of the situation to get people prebuffed in safety so you are ready to take that zerg on.

Basically you’re all arguing that he is right, when all he’s actually saying is what we have known since the first battles in time. Numbers win, everyone knows that. Does Same want a medal for pointing this out? He is just being outright ignorant trying to apply this “knowledge” to every scenario in game.

Same.4687:

I also never said its impossible to take out larger groups than yours. I did however claim it’s highly improbable and borderline impossible to take out a group 3/4 times larger than you (as someone so boldly stated earlier in this thread).

Orly?

Same.4687:

In its current state skill doesn’t matter at all in WvW. Sure if you fight a 1v1 or a 5v5 the more skilled opponent will win. But in zergs it is simply impossible to beat numbers* You will never see a group of 10 beat a group of 30/40.* This has nothing to do with skill, it has to do with AoE cap, downed state and other mechanics that limit the impact of skill on battles.

What you should be looking for in WvW is sheer numbers. If you have the biggest zerg you will win.

And again~

Same.4687:

I never said anything about when or what to engage. I’m discussing the fact that it is impossible because of limitations in this game (downed state, aoe cap, etc) to beat a zerg 3 times your zerg or higher.

No it aint.

Same.4687:

If a group of 30 spreads out vs a group of 10 who’s spread out. Your chances get even smaller but you most likely don’t realize that. Your AoE/Damage capabilities are half (already accounting for some bad skill/bad gear/lowbies in the group of 30) or even less than half of what the group of 30 can poop out.
If a group of 30 spreads out your chances to make full use of your AoE/Damage decrease.

So we hope they don’t spread out?

Same.4687:

However when the numbers are against you, all you can hope for is that you scare them enough so they scatter and you can pick off small groups.

So if they spread out you die, yet if you scare them into scattering (aka spreading out) you can kill them.

Same.4687:

What you CIR folks seem to not be able to understand is that I’m not discussing tactics or ways to enter combat or WHEN to enter combat. I’m discussing the fact that because of limitations in this game set by ANet make it highly improbable to win a straight up 10v30. Hence it won’t really ever happen.

By all rights 10 people should not be able to beat 30 people if everyone is equally skilled and geared. But guess what, they aren’t.

Sorry Same, Nug is a good guild an all but you are chatting bear s*** mate. Yes if a 10 man group runs headlong into a 30 man group you will more than likely be eating dirt in afew seconds.

I’ve been leading 10-15 man groups in this game for quite awhile and i’ve lost count how many times we’ve wiped 2-3x our numbers and it all comes down to skill, discipline and group composition. If you make people bring certain classes you can pull anything off in this game, if you run with a 15 man group and people bring whatever they want, geared and traited however they want, you are going to die to a group much bigger than yours.

You have to fight on your terms and be in control of the situation. Say it’s 15 vs 40, if you catch them unawares and manage to kill 5-10 people in the first burst and then move it’s not now 15 vs 30-35, it’s more like 15 vs 20-25 because you can be damn sure that afew will kitten it and break off, and the rest are going to rush straight for the dead guys to res them.

If they have 30 guys stacked in one spot you don’t charge in you wait and bait them, you spread them out whilst keeping your guys moving. When against the numbers there is one ground rule, never, ever, ever stop moving. You stop moving you start eating static AoE and you give them time to position.

There are dozens of different tactics to use when engaging zergs and by the sounds of it you guys haven’t experimented enough or pushed yourselves hard enough to pull this kind of victory off. Just because you haven’t witnessed it does not make it impossible / improbable.

As for your high and almighty attitude it stinks, Nug is a good guild with alot of good players and you’re dragging the guild name through the dirt.

So man up, stop crying like a little kitten and go out there and make it happen, you will die a hell of alot but for that once outta 5 times you pull it off when you start out, it’s worth it.

CIR had the most online we’d had for awhile and had some really goodfights tonight so thanks to all those we crossed. Hopefully We get afew more online next week

Awesome fights tonight VS and i mean that. You guys came outta no where on BT and knocked 10 barrels of kitten out of us many a time. Luckily we got enough online and put out on the bat phone to counter you and for an hour or 2 it was close before your numbers started dwindling. All in all there was both tears of laughter and crys on our TS so gf

Another fun day of fighting on BT BL. For agood few hours we had no more than 10-15 defenders and had to keep bat phoning xaoc to come remove LNM and co lol

And i swear you frenchies love your thfs, got tired of getting mobbed by 5-10 at a time at supplys. Was good today though

Really fun fights in BT borderlands today, that fight for Garrison went on for what seemed like forever. Kudos to AS for holding us off that long but it was only a matter of time

Other highlight was defending cragtop from both VS and AS for about an hour, i was the one sat on the treb killing all your siege and launching cows at you :P lmao

Good fun guys

Goodluck, sure you guys will be fine back in T2. Take some time to reform and hopefully we’ll run into you again at some point. Had alot of fun small skirmishes with you guys this week

Axe / Axe is nice for zerg fights when it comes to stacking vuns on everyone in your path though

The difference is the majority of guilds transferred here to strengthen the server, not whilst we were winning. The first week CIR, THUN etc came over we lost that tier to Deso. The next week afew more came over and we stayed in T2 for another week with Elona taking a huge victory. After that week RG etc joined to strengthen us, again we had just lost that tier fight.

Once RG and afew others came over that’s when we steam rolled T2 and moved into T1 and now we’re here. So i’d hardly say it’s anything like RUIN jumping servers to get on the winning bandwagon.

Pretty pathetic really them coming over, just means we’ll have stupid queue times on the weekend and now XAOC will be really bored if everythings capped by the time they log in lol

A little shout out to MORT, you guys are fun to fight and usually online when i’m leading, think we’re about even on fights but they usually last a while so gj guys keep it up