Guild Wars 2

Pentalic.5409:

Don’t know if you watch SoTG when it comes out every month, but this month’s came with an announcement that Mug will no longer be able to crit. Also, there will be a lifesteal component added to it. The devs said it would heal you for about 2k + some minor Healing Power multiplier.

Say bye to 13k Mug crits.

Please read the title.. that’s the whole point of this thread. To prove that it was overpowered and the ability for it to not crit anymore makes sense. I just wish that they add other components to steal.
EDIT: Well ya I see you got it now lol

Issues.5789:

misedit

failedit

The average damage I get with mug is 3-6k instant. That seems very strong to me. I recently decided to try it out earlier; and even though I lack runes of the scholar (+10% damage, 5 ascended pieces, and 25 bloodlust sigils, I managed to pull some high numbers) I even had a 13.4k mug screenshot but lost it when I formatted my computer.

I recently read a mug compilation suggestion thread that posted some great ideas about how they can buff our mug since it cannot crit no more; some great ideas were posted. None the less; here are just two pictures.

EDIT: I’m sure if someone uses a burst build w/ scholar runes, 25 bloodlust sigils, proper damage food, a 15k+ steal can be achieved.

Wick.1280:

So FA should go to T3? Fair enough. We will do our best to see that you do.

And when FA is there you can blame guilds like [ONI]

You do realize that ONI is a TC guild right LOL? Continue posting you’re making yourself sound very intelligent.

Here’s to hoping they add more mobility to thief lol.

crouze.3078:

1200 base range would be strong, but i will add it to the list

Well they want thieves to have high mobility. I think this will definitely make a difference, and we’ll have other uses for mug since no more bursty bursty.

I think since the no crit nerf, this would make steal quite useful again. I really like all these ideas. I’d personally say to make it base 1200 range, and make the trickery trait into something else.

Gellor.6497:

Rawnoodles.1398:

A big welcome to:

• [CO] – *Cryptic Omen | from Kain| 200+ Members

Glad to have you guys among Dragonbrand Kin!

Welcome to DB! Still miss AoN

I miss DB in a weird sort of way as well..

Coloxeus.3480:

Issues.5789:

You had condition removal on stealth, and fought a condition build and you were surprised you won.. In other news, we landed on the moon.

i didn’t even know what if hes running condition build. @ 1st we just both decided to run the normal way as we usually use in normal sPvP tPvP. if you’re not yet contented here are more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgRjkziDDM&list=UU-SjU98hzx0-TdRsxXuf6kg&index=7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZJg-V1B4xA

You don’t have to prove anything to me. I didn’t say you were a bad thief lol.. all I was saying is that you dueled a character whos spec is useless against you. And rank doesn’t really determine anything; I’ve killed a few rank 40-50 thieves.. doesn’t mean anything at all tbh. I saw your videos, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you daze or use shadowshot once.. Just BP+HS+BS and auto attack..

1. Increase Cloak and Dagger to 16 initiative.
2. Decrease stealth by 4 seconds.
3. Make Mug not crit

Edit: Seems 3 is already taking place.

Man, I remember playing on DB and I could never even remember that many people lol. I’m glad DB is doing so well. I’m hoping to kill you Lani if I see you

You had condition removal on stealth, and fought a condition build and you were surprised you won.. In other news, we landed on the moon.

randomfightfan.4091:

not sure if a bug or a nerf but it`s probably not going anywhere any time soon.

It’s a bug atm, causing it to be a nerf.. So it’s both. What I don’t get about Arena net is why they don’t test these skills out and fix the existing problems before focusing on other issues..

So glad they removed this cheesy build. A person with no concept or Mesmer could be considered a good player of how overpowered it was.

The only viable group play and ranged weapon is shortbow, it provides great mobility, evades, area poison/weakness, cluster bomb, ability to blast fields while P/P is complete garbage. The main problem with Shortbow is Trick shot (Skill 1), the activation time on the skill shows 0.25 but when tested it’s actually 0.95.. This is a big damage reduction as the 1 skill should be more so utilized.

They made our only damage specs (mug) completely gone lol.. We got a 3 skill that takes away one boon (chanined skill).. Seems like a fair trade off.. Complete kitten

Mindtrick.5190:

ChesterWing.5321:

^typical dumb thief that opens with mug and gets his burst evaded

Typical a person like you says something ignorant. You should come by my stream I will not only ban you from chat to save people from your opinion. But also show you how to play. Take care and I hope you rage out

Calm down, I’ve seen your stream and you’ve died to countless thieves and so many classes.. not to mention you way point after you use all your skills (have seen that about 15 times on your stream at least lol). Out of all people, don’t give advice on thieves.

Professor Sensei.2941:

I just don’t understand why you would want it in the first place.

Well if it didnt’ take me out of stealth, It’s a very strong set with withdraw. The lightning strike hits for 3-4k.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Issues.5789:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

That’s not a bug, it does exactly what it’s supposed to, and since it causes direct damage it will drop stealth. If it’s causing such a problem swap one of them out for something else.

The whole point of getting them is for the lightning strike.. Do you think it’s fair that thieves have to suffer and not be able to use a rune set?

It’s one of those good things that comes with a side-effect especially if it happens randomly. Some kids just don’t play well together, so in your case, this rune doesn’t play well with stealth. You can still play with that kid knowing that he will do things randomly.

omg.. I feel like raging so hard.. you have no idea.. i’ve been saving my gold up for them only to find out I can’t use them. GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK A-NET I farmed a full 3 hours!!! This is a sad day for me

Evilek.5690:

I do not have this problem. Maybe autoattack after CaD ? Ctrl + Mause 2 to diable autoattack on CaD

I don’t use auto attack.. read what I said in the OP. I said even if im stealth and i get hit; it triggers it causing it to take me out of stealth.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

That’s not a bug, it does exactly what it’s supposed to, and since it causes direct damage it will drop stealth. If it’s causing such a problem swap one of them out for something else.

The whole point of getting them is for the lightning strike.. Do you think it’s fair that thieves have to suffer and not be able to use a rune set?

So I recently bought Superior runes of air.. and every-time they proc it takes me out of stealth.. even if I don’t initiate the battle. Example being: I use Shadow refuge to heal or plan an escape/set up an attack, if a pet/mesmer clone/or simply by luck im hit and they proc it takes me out of stealth for 4 seconds.. I simply can’t do anything for 4 seconds and I’m rendered like useless.. I’d like if possible for you Devs to fix this issue as I didn’t pay 18 gold because you didn’t think your mechanics through.

Mif.3471:

There are also the new 21:9 aspect ratio monitors that are starting to show up.

GW2 being tested on one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Rf7FcIgkgDY#t=301s

Oo that looks pretty; but it’s probably worth more than my sisters combined. I hope the mods get mad. I could care less. We aren’t doing anything against the rules.

Alilinke.7690:

Take the cheaper alternative!

It’s a start I guess.

But if you go full screen, don’t you see the same range..? If not; I’m totally doing that.

Sunspots.9861:

All Tarnished Coast citizens have similar setups. Its a gift from our sponsors.

Recruit me! I’ll do anything!!! I’ll even play a support build ;(

osif.8673:

I think if this turns from talk to reality it would save the game for me. As it is, it’s just boring running into zerg after zerg after zerg and only getting a good fight once an hour if we’re lucky. I love the gameplay of GW2, but the design is horrid. If we can get one tier to have some good competition, I think this game can be great fun. The tier that we get this going on will still have some zerg(s)… it’s not something we can get rid of completely. But if there are enough competitive small mans running around, it could make this game actually worth playing. Otherwise, the fun isn’t really there for a lot of us. So lets make this happen!

I totally agree with you, and I’ll keep bumping this thread so other people can hop to it.. I’d love it if you guys get this going.

Mif.3471:

Saweth You Him.9047:

I wish I could play in widescreen but my TV only takes one resolution. Any other resolution looks like crap. I do get the benefit of a comfy lazyboy and lots of leg room though. I guess that’s the trade off.

What trade off? :P

From the Mifcave:
(chair has casters btw)

Wattttttt. Wow.. That looks not only comfortable; but so clean.. I have one 24inch screen at 1920 resolution

Saweth You Him.9047:

I wish I could play in widescreen but my TV only takes one resolution. Any other resolution looks like crap. I do get the benefit of a comfy lazyboy and lots of leg room though. I guess that’s the trade off.

Lol.. seriously?! I want pics of your setup.. I’m very curious..

More PICS Mif! Cmon; share the love!

Jscull.2514:

That is why we are making this happen you guys…

This isnt that challenging of a thought. We are going to get everyone thats interested’s info, get them OUR vent info,host a meeting….and all come to terms on how best to make this happen. I guess a good way to start doing that is by sending Talentless and myself a PM of your name so we can put you on a list for getting YOU the info for the meeting.

I really hope that it gets off and you guys make it the “standard” for small man groups to fight against each other.. I’d love that.. The only issue I see is; if a tier moves up; everyone on that server is screwed lol.

Mif.3471:

Issues.5789:

Mif.3471:

Issues.5789:

Please, please, please tell me how you got your screen like that?!

I run three screen. It’s cropped to make it less annoying for forum viewing :P.

You are so lucky.. so when you play Gw2 you get such a wide range of things.. my god I love you..

I see everything :P

Please post one more; seriously this is better than looking at chicks in bikinis. True WvW experience.. So you have 3 LCD’s ;(?!

Artention.3510:

Video of BP v. iLL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGdZxGy6enw&feature=youtu.be

I don’t know why iLL didn’t even move/stealth.. but nice work.

Mif.3471:

Issues.5789:

Please, please, please tell me how you got your screen like that?!

I run three screen. It’s cropped to make it less annoying for forum viewing :P.

You are so lucky.. so when you play Gw2 you get such a wide range of things.. my god I love you..

randomfightfan.4091:

Issues.5789:

Your exact words were: In short, you got outplayed. You want a class nerfed because a guy who plays thief is a better theif than a guy (you in this case) who picked one up to see how it works. LOL, how am I being a jerk? I don’t play PvE. WvW only. Being a jerk is always better than being a butthead so I’ll take the compliment.

You completely refused to even acknowledge what Das was saying which is why I called you out. I also just explained what you wrote sounded like. Sorry that you took offence to that.
Your argument was that a thief was able to invis faster than possible since culling fix but still wanted them nerfed due to what they could do BEFORE the fix. If you don’t understand why that would bug someone and make you sound less than savory then there’s no point in continuing this conversation. It clearly isn’t going to be going anywhere

I love you. Do you feel better now? These words don’t phaze me.

saiyr.3071:

Issues.5789:

saiyr.3071:

Issues.5789:

saiyr.3071:

Issues.5789:

saiyr.3071:

He’s just visiting and running with AoN (he joined them when they were on Maguuma still). No indication

How do you know so much about AoN?! Stalker.. o.0

Well, let’s see…they used to be on Maguuma, one of my friends is still in it (as mentioned above) and several were in it, Convenant came to our Mumble several times when we were in the same tier on opposing servers…he defriended me after moving to FA though :’(

Ah I see.. Sorry to hear. I hate Cov, worst warrior I’ve ever ran with.

You should run with me some time, we can change that.

What class are you?

Well, warrior is my newest 80.

Jayne.9251:

Saiyr … Empty your inbox! >.<

But I have a rich history stored in it…

Edit: looks like the PM got through after deleting some

Hmmm.. Whenever I run with Cov, he is a great warrior. I can’t trash talk him ;‘(. I’m just upset I haven’t been able to play in 3 days ;(

Jscull.2514:

PAXA is a 5 man co-helpin with this operation….we are aware that people have “gold is an issue” here’s the interesting part about that. The word gets out that 8-15 guilds are participating in this tier….i think you would all find ways to get the gold to get there, if in fact the fights are what you are looking for. That is a non-argument excuse. We are willing to help anyone really interested in this tier. FYI for all of you as well, this actually happening so Talent and myself will be sending people messages to follow up.

Step 1 for getting YOUR guild to the “daoc like” Player vs Player tier is attending our initial voice chat meeting we are setting up.

Sounds like heaven.. I wish I could come and play against great players ;(

Mif.3471:

A group of 5+ players of the guild [OG] from Fort Aspenwood used a hacking tool to take a fully upgraded Kloven, and then attempted the same at Wildcreek.

When we arrived to defend Wildcreek, they all magically vanished as soon as we made it to the lord room.

In the screenshot you can clearly see all walls and door intact.

Please, please, please tell me how you got your screen like that?!

Fuzzion.2504:

We should create a Tier called Tier PvP where eveyone and everybody is fair game like DAoC modred

I never played DAoC but I’d L-O-V-E that idea. It will NEVER come to GW2 sadly. Is anyone from here on TC/DB that would like to fight my guild?

saiyr.3071:

Issues.5789:

saiyr.3071:

Issues.5789:

saiyr.3071:

He’s just visiting and running with AoN (he joined them when they were on Maguuma still). No indication

How do you know so much about AoN?! Stalker.. o.0

Well, let’s see…they used to be on Maguuma, one of my friends is still in it (as mentioned above) and several were in it, Convenant came to our Mumble several times when we were in the same tier on opposing servers…he defriended me after moving to FA though :’(

Ah I see.. Sorry to hear. I hate Cov, worst warrior I’ve ever ran with.

You should run with me some time, we can change that.

What class are you?

randomfightfan.4091:

Issues.5789:

LOL wut. I played 10/30/30 D/D build for no more than 1 hour than gave it up. I hated it.. You might find this hard to believe, but when I’m my main build I’ve never lost to a thief 1v1.. ever. And I don’t play cheesy P/D. Thanks for interpreting.

good for you, never said you did. What you are saying though, is that you’re fine with 4s revealed because you don’t use it. If you were using d/d (esp in pve) before nerf though, you’d be pulling your hair out due to how horrible the rotation feels now. Lastly, this is a PUBLIC forum, anyone can join in the conversation. Thanks for being a jerk to someone joining into the conversation

Your exact words were: In short, you got outplayed. You want a class nerfed because a guy who plays thief is a better theif than a guy (you in this case) who picked one up to see how it works. LOL, how am I being a jerk? I don’t play PvE. WvW only. Being a jerk is always better than being a butthead so I’ll take the compliment.

saiyr.3071:

Issues.5789:

saiyr.3071:

He’s just visiting and running with AoN (he joined them when they were on Maguuma still). No indication

How do you know so much about AoN?! Stalker.. o.0

Well, let’s see…they used to be on Maguuma, one of my friends is still in it (as mentioned above) and several were in it, Convenant came to our Mumble several times when we were in the same tier on opposing servers…he defriended me after moving to FA though :’(

Ah I see.. Sorry to hear. I hate Cov, worst warrior I’ve ever ran with.

Ascended items would make me the happiest boy in all of the lands.

saiyr.3071:

He’s just visiting and running with AoN (he joined them when they were on Maguuma still). No indication

How do you know so much about AoN?! Stalker.. o.0

Great idea, unfortunately some guilds won’t switch (due to money, or they like the action, etc). I’d personally love to join and go against other guilds but my guild leader is a fail warrior. (Don’t tell him I told you)

randomfightfan.4091:

So you’re refusing to acknowledged an intelligent answer, created to help you, because you would rather a pve nerf remain b/c you don’t like getting killed in wvw. Right. Here’s another point, while you were in your pvt armor, you were doing very low damage compared to a zerker thief. The other player would have also been experiencing the same culling as you. You were visible to him the same amount of time he was visible to you. The difference was, the other player reacted better.

In short, you got outplayed. You want a class nerfed because a guy who plays thief is a better theif than a guy (you in this case) who picked one up to see how it works.

LOL wut. I played 10/30/30 D/D build for no more than 1 hour than gave it up. I hated it.. You might find this hard to believe, but when I’m my main build I’ve never lost to a thief 1v1.. ever. And I don’t play cheesy P/D. Thanks for interpreting.

Dasorine.1964:

Issues.5789:

randomfightfan.4091:

Issues.5789:

TheBandicoot.5294:

Issues.5789:

Edit: I personally like the 4 second stealth change, as 3 second was very very OP imo; thieves just don’t want to admit it because they liked perma stealth and backstabs lol.

Wait. How in hell do people get the idea a 4s revealed will stop thieves from perma-stealthing? It NEVER stopped perma-stealthing because you can still perfectly time CnD to restealth and you can still chain smokescreen/shadow refuge/ smokescreen! What makes you think a 4s revealed is preventing thieves from doing that?

All this nasty 4s revealed does is nerfing the damage output of players who play their thief like it is meant to be played. Quickly entering and leaving stealth. This nerf hit the wrong side of the coin, so to speak.

It should be reverted in EVERY gamemode and instead it should be applied whenever the stealth “boon” (that nice little symbol you have when you are stealthed) disappears, no matter how, be it because it ran out or because the user broke it with an attack.

And while i am at it… i seriously ope this patch will finally align thieves with other classes in PvE, mainly the currently existing trinity of guardians, mesmers and warriors. Nothing a thief does is what a thief excels at, thats why almost no group asks for thieves – or any other class besides the trinity. I dont want to be a rezzing bot or the stealthing kitten to bypass trash groups, i want to bring something to the table. And currently its neither superior damage, support or control. ArenaNet, please make us thieves and the other missfits worthwhile to be taken in a dungeon group!

My bad, not perma stealth, but those 10/30/30 D/D backstab builds were overpowered. People had like 18k hp, did c+d and would backstab for 7-8k+ and then spam 1 for 3 times, very short, then c+d again, now you have to stay out in stealth for quite some time so the opponent knows where you are instead of almost going back in and bursting for a lot of damage.

not really sure what you’re saying here as it doesn’t make much sense but you’re wrong on the numbers you posted. If someone is 10-30-30 backstab build, they will have 10k hp (full zerker) not 18k. 30 into sa gives 0 vitality, it’s toughness and healing. Also that build very, much so, isn’t overpowered. It’s a noob slayer build. Doesn’t mean only bad players use it, just means when used against bad players, it makes them cry. Against good players, it can be hard to win if you don’t first take them by complete surprise.

I tried it out once because I was lost and then decided to make my own builds; but I had 18-19k hp. I use Power Vitality Toughness gear alongside Ruby Orbs and even on level 80 players averaged 6-8k backstabs and was only out of stealth for not even a full rotation of 1 on my D/D, before I could C+D again.

Then you where getting some bad latency, with a D/D auto attack chain being 2 seconds long and even pre-nerf revealed duration being 3 seconds long what you were seeing was not revealed being shorter than your 1 D/D auto attack rotation but your D/D auto attack rotation being longer than your revealed duration due to delay in starting it and other similiar issues.

Before the nerf there was of course culling which gave you 2 seconds of the enemy not seeing you after you break stealth however you yourself wouldn’t see yourself invisible and of course that was “fixed” in the same patch as the nerf, now of course it seems they are realizing with culling fixed and such there is little reason to extend the revealed duration in a way that muchs up people rotations while not preventing any cheesy “perma-stealth” (Which again I must reiterate is doing very little to zero damage while being almost completely vulnerable) and giving negligible effects on peoples attitudes to how long the thief is stealthed (people still think thieves running the basic backstab burst spec are stealth 90% of the time)

Sure, whatever. I’m not gonna bother posting lol. My point remains, I enjoy the 4second “nerf” because it seems more fair.

Gungnir Grimm.7123:

there is no hard cap on crit damage to my knowledge.

Ya I figured this as people said it was 80, and I ran a build where I was tankier and had 80% crit damage, then switch gear to 116% crit chance and there was a difference in numbers; leading me to believe that there is no cap at all for crit damage.

randomfightfan.4091:

Issues.5789:

TheBandicoot.5294:

Issues.5789:

Edit: I personally like the 4 second stealth change, as 3 second was very very OP imo; thieves just don’t want to admit it because they liked perma stealth and backstabs lol.

Wait. How in hell do people get the idea a 4s revealed will stop thieves from perma-stealthing? It NEVER stopped perma-stealthing because you can still perfectly time CnD to restealth and you can still chain smokescreen/shadow refuge/ smokescreen! What makes you think a 4s revealed is preventing thieves from doing that?

All this nasty 4s revealed does is nerfing the damage output of players who play their thief like it is meant to be played. Quickly entering and leaving stealth. This nerf hit the wrong side of the coin, so to speak.

It should be reverted in EVERY gamemode and instead it should be applied whenever the stealth “boon” (that nice little symbol you have when you are stealthed) disappears, no matter how, be it because it ran out or because the user broke it with an attack.

And while i am at it… i seriously ope this patch will finally align thieves with other classes in PvE, mainly the currently existing trinity of guardians, mesmers and warriors. Nothing a thief does is what a thief excels at, thats why almost no group asks for thieves – or any other class besides the trinity. I dont want to be a rezzing bot or the stealthing kitten to bypass trash groups, i want to bring something to the table. And currently its neither superior damage, support or control. ArenaNet, please make us thieves and the other missfits worthwhile to be taken in a dungeon group!

My bad, not perma stealth, but those 10/30/30 D/D backstab builds were overpowered. People had like 18k hp, did c+d and would backstab for 7-8k+ and then spam 1 for 3 times, very short, then c+d again, now you have to stay out in stealth for quite some time so the opponent knows where you are instead of almost going back in and bursting for a lot of damage.

not really sure what you’re saying here as it doesn’t make much sense but you’re wrong on the numbers you posted. If someone is 10-30-30 backstab build, they will have 10k hp (full zerker) not 18k. 30 into sa gives 0 vitality, it’s toughness and healing. Also that build very, much so, isn’t overpowered. It’s a noob slayer build. Doesn’t mean only bad players use it, just means when used against bad players, it makes them cry. Against good players, it can be hard to win if you don’t first take them by complete surprise.

I tried it out once because I was lost and then decided to make my own builds; but I had 18-19k hp. I use Power Vitality Toughness gear alongside Ruby Orbs and even on level 80 players averaged 6-8k backstabs and was only out of stealth for not even a full rotation of 1 on my D/D, before I could C+D again.

Removing AoE cap would make everybuild a AoE build and make it just unbalanced.. I think if anything; they should increase the AoE cap from 5 to 7-10 or so. That’ll make a huge difference alone.

Arganthium.5638:

Don’t know, but I’d be very surprised if it did.

Perhaps the person meant that you can’t raise your crit damage over 80-100%, from a purely statistical standpoint. Like, the gear you get can’t raise your crit damage higher than that.

Well I have 106% crit damage atm, and with food it goes up to 116% crit damage. If theres a cap; I’d like to regear or retrait or something and stack more precision.