Guild Wars 2

DevonCarver.5370:

Our goal is to provide a complex combat space that rewards skill, tactics, and ingenuity and while we haven’t fully achieved that goal yet, I like to think we are getting there.

I’d like to think you’re not even close. So many classes are suffering from basic skills that have no meaning or any quality.. So many weapon sets suck for multiple classes.. Rewards skill is possibly the biggest joke I’ve ever seen.. Address the AoE limit, possibly increase it? The rewards are complete and utter garbage/no ascended anything in WvW, and the drop rates are bad. Everything is a clump of zergs. Skill; yup. You’re getting there if you’re walking with 1 left foot underwater.

Shirts.3275:

Pics or it didn’t happen

I’d like to see as well, I got to 104% crit chance (109% if you count sigil) with fury.

The options I see is: Revert it back to the way it was or
-Increase the range to 1200 on Trickshot
-Increase It’s activation time (Or better yet; fix the bug since it’s not 0.25)
-Increase the Damage.

You know what the sad thing about this is OP? Arena net will probably change 1/9 of these things in the next two months. Then you can quote me to say I was right.

Okamakiri.8746:

“2.). P/P.

It’s a weapon set for fun. If you want damage output, there are obviously better alternatives."

“5.) Traps – Ambush is decent, the rest are pretty garbage.

You need to identify which skills are for fun, which are for casual, and which are for competitive. Then you’ll understand why some skills are perceived to be “garbage”"

lolwut? So the sets that do work are not fun? Fun sets cannot be viable at the same time? It’s ok if something sucks as long as it’s fun? Is it by same logic ok if something is not fun, as long as it doesn’t suck?

You made stupid comments, people called you out on it. You’re now just digging yourself into an even deeper hole trying to justify your earlier stupidity.

Dude, just quit trolling. Nobody agrees with you.

He brings up some valid points, read the rest of what he says. He made 9 points and you commented on 2. If anyone’s trolling here; its you.

Einlanzer.1627:

2.). P/P.

3.). Stealth does not drop aggro-

4.) Trick Shot- the recent nerf hit the SB hard, and Trick Shot was already weak before the nerf.

5.) Traps – Ambush is decent, the rest are pretty garbage. Some would say Venoms are too, but at least they have situational uses. These need a buff to be worth eating up a skill slot for.

6.) Pistol Whip – The damage was nerfed because of how broken it was with Haste, even though everyone knew that Haste was the problem and not Pistol Whip. This needs to be reverted.

9.) Last Refuge – Never mind that the trait isn’t very good anyway due to Stealth’s lack of defensive utility, but in many situations it actually screws up theThief’s tempo and often acts more as a curse than a boon.

2) Pistol Pistol needs major revamping of skills/traits.
3) Stealth issue I totally agree with.. I don’t see how you go invisible (meaning they can’t see you) and for example unload/volley continues to track you WHILE YOU"RE INVISIBLE and hit you. Also sucks if they proc Kill shot and you’re out of dodges..
4)Sad what they did to trick shot, hopefully they do something about its activation time/range/damage
5) Traps are not viable at all except for trolling in Jumping Puzzle
6)Pistol whip needs its 15% damage loss back
9) It’s been like that since bw1..

I also hope they increase the damage to Dancing Daggers, since quickness/haste has been nerfed.

Daecollo.9578:

Issues.5789:

If this holds true, I can make a P/P build where I have like 7-8 unloads, and perma evade LOL. It will be very powerful. Also unload does quite a lot of damage.

Unload is probably the lowest damage of all the dual skills. Due to how protection/toughness work in lowering damage.

Pretty sure it does more damage than, Pistol whip – as PW you can move out 1/2 way through the cast, it does more damage than DB, as for Flanking strike that’s 50/50. So no, it’s one of the highest if not the highest damage weapon sets in the game

I’m quite happy about this.. I can finally solo zergs with my trusty sidekick Arrowcartman.

If this holds true, I can make a P/P build where I have like 7-8 unloads, and perma evade LOL. It will be very powerful. Also unload does quite a lot of damage.

Daecollo.9578:

Unload:
Evade back while Unloading.

So you constantly evade as you unload.. Think about what you’re saying here.

xmtrcv.5236:

The top of your game isn’t the top of the game then.

I totally support this. Complete nerf, activation time is still no where near close to what it says and now it almost never hits.

D W.5179:

PvE>PvP>WvW

If WvW ever gets ANYTHING, they will make sure it’s also available to PvE players. The same can not be said the other way around. It’s likely you will always have to PvE to get the new hotness.

100% Agree.. Drop rate is complete garbage.. 1 hour of farming CoF on my berserker warrior I profit like 4-6 gold. I’ll average it out to 10 gold per 2 hours. I did WvW last night for about 5 hours and made about 2 gold if that.. I also run with a great group so we got a lot of kills.. WvW has garbage drop rates, the badges we get cannot purchase any ascended pieces (earrings/rings/necklace/backpiece) nothing really. It’s all in PvE, so much for them saying if you want you can do WvW and keep up with PvE.. My kittening kitten

RoninDB.9540:

I saw an AoN while in the FA LA.. It was … so unreal. I had never seen one so up close before, unless, he’s stabbing me…

Was it my Afro?!

Arena net has stated that they want to increase the base on some attacks and they still want thieves to be able to burst down a class..

My questions are
Dancing dagger
Pistol Whip
Damage be increased or reverted as combined with quickness as they were overpowered. Due to the nerf I think it’s fair they get looked at once again.
Shortbow Trick Shot, the fact that it can be dodged from just strafing right and left make it severely nerfed, is it possible to increase the speed to it’s activation time (0.25 as it’s stated and its 0.95+) or at least increase the range to be up to par with the rangers shortbow?

Gellor.6497:

Score Update!

P.S. I’m not in [RE] but [VK] you guys still rock… [AoN] get in the score update tomorrow please!

You want AoN to take a picture of the score? If so I’ll gladly display my Afro.

Agonoize.4021:

Why should my auto attacks fail to hit with a ranged weapon from them just sidestepping?

We wish we knew. If anything I was hoping they’d fix the speed of Trick Shot, instead they nerf it.

ensoriki.5789:

Game is out for 8 months.
Only now using 5 skills on bar.
Dagger 4 still sucks.

^

Errant Venture.9371:

Yeah i don’t understand this nerf either, but trick shot is completely non-viable right now. It misses ANY target that’s moving.

Don’t worry we still have Mug spike damage..

Travlane.5948:

@issues check “GIVE US bACK OUR BURST” thread out in thief lobby. some guy at the bottom was trying to horribly explain it to me. i cant for the life of me figure it out but he tried.

Some guy was said that cloak and dagger isn’t for stealth but it’s a attack we should use.. Ya let’s waste 6 initiative for fun. >.<", when your 1 skill in dagger/sword are much more effective that using another 5 and being revealed. If that’s all this buff does; this is a really stupid change.

Daecollo.9578:

Can you please make these skills 0.5 delay with no recovery like they are intended instead of 1.11.

Thank you.

When I tested it, it was 0.95. The time it says on Trick shot is 0.25. Arena net nerfs Trickshot without even looking at its activation time. Smart.

Irapi.5937:

Shortbow was perfectly balanced as it was, and now we are getting nerfed for what? Trickshot is completely useless, the projectile is too slow and it doesn’t even require a dodge to evade it, sidestepping does the trick.

What is the reasoning behind this nerf? I have played thief for a long time, and I have yet to hear a single complaint about SB. Mug nerf is fine by me, change on flanking strike is awesome, but really, couldn’t we just get a damage nerf (which is also not needed I think, but ok), or make it hit one less target? Because now we are hitting nothing. At least increase the projectile speed then.

It’d be good if it shot faster and to what the time it said.. 1/4 lol. not even close.

•Cloak and Dagger skill: Now functions with the Hidden Killer trait. ,
So.. it crits while you’re in stealth.. Why would you cloak and dagger while you’re in stealth?

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Issues.5789:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Issues.5789:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Conditions to possibly pull-off an 11k non-critical dmg Mug;

- Full zerker + Rubies
- At least 30/30/x build
- Based on 2nd screeny – 24 stack of Bloodlust
- Target must have 2500 or less armor rating (not possible against 2600)

I can accept that it’s possible — but that’s not solely Mug’s fault that Mug deals that much damage now is it?

The problem here is this: Anet is creating PvE contents that would require players to deal an insane amount of damage — but — Anet don’t want players to bring that insane amount of damage from PvE to WvW — yet — they refuse to separate the two.

This problem has nothing to do with the profession and definitely nothing to do with Mug.

Either Anet stop creating high-end contents, which PvE players will get bored fast and may leave the game if they haven’t already, or accept the consequences in WvW. Or swallow their pride and separate PvE and WvW.

Why they keep aggravating their player-base is what I don’t understand.

I use Mug in my builds, so I’m upset that it’s getting nerfed; but it needs to be nerfed. I have 2 valkyrie pieces, and I don’t use bloodlust, I use precision stacks. One build was 30/30. In the other picture it was 25/30/0/0/15.
I just want them to add other variables to mug so it’s not rendered useless.

My whole point was/is — Mug is just a scapegoat. Red herring. Straw man. Rumpelstiltskin.

Don’t chase the wild goose or the white rabbit because that’s what Anet wants you to do, so that they don’t have to address the real issue — separating the sheep from the goats.

Potato, lumberyard, sheep, clock, kleenex, microphone, pencil, oranges, and a bowl of air. That’s how much sense you just made to me.

Apparently, you are not familiar with philosophical fallacy that when one is used for you to believe what they want you to believe that your are too naive to identify the falsehood of the statement. It is more apparent coming from someone with marginal level of education to believe an obvious fallacy since they somehow find comfort in their ignorance. If you really believe that Mug is overpowered, there is no remedy to that since that is not ignorance, but stupidity — and knowledge is the cure for ignorance, unfortunately, there in no cure for stupidity.

If you think my last post made no sense, your problem cannot be cured by knowledge.

As a wise man of that is a Master of Time and Space said: Ula gula mula dula.

Demandred.7052:

Anet just needs to flatten out (not lower) Thief damage, remove the ridiculous spikiness that backstab builds can attain. No class should be able to deal out 20k+ damage in the blink of an eye. Anet should increase damage for sword/dagger/pistol auto attacks.

Although I understand why thiefs are upset, if you can evade most thief builds initial burst, they are pretty easy to kill… Unfortunately for Anet there is no way to please everyone..

They said in the State of the game Video that they still want Thieves to remain the class that can output the most burst. I’m sad that Mug can’t crit anymore, but oh well; have to adapt.

Travlane.5948:

funny everyone is callling frenzy……and upscaled

I think you and I have different definitions of funny. Oh in a few hours you can’t crit on mug. Now that’s funny, Heueueueue

Fade.7658:

Instead of calling someone on poor grammar (pretty standard when you run out of arguments) due to it being their second or third language, just own up that you’ve been found out that it was frenzy and not typical mug damage.

We get that you obviously would like to see the thief nerfed. Try to use more reliable information in your next attempt.

They should nerf your class, the Keyboard Warrior.

Evilek.5690:

I hitt Warrior witch Frenzy for 8k with me autoattack.
Next time use brain and stop post this crap beacose
this damage is impossible vs 80 lvl players without Frenzy.

Next time use brain. LOL

Florgknight.1589:

That would ruin one of the core ideas behind WvW. It no longer becomes a moneysink if you remove those. Waypoints are already free.

I agree with this. We also have the outmanned buff which at times is nice, I think if they do anything; they should increase the drop rates of WvW.

ensoriki.5789:

50% more damage….
50% more damage.
50% more damage
50%.
50%.
50%.
Think my head just exploded.

Travlane.5948:

he was downed bc he had less than 28k hp. urs was dead. heck there was 3 dead infront of u….2 were upscales. other was thief it looked.

Thanks for proving my point that Steal is OP, oh and tomorrow it will be nerfed huehuehue.

Travlane.5948:

http://tinypic.com/r/345cvms/5 anyone can make it look strong :P

Ya but look at how set-up that is lol. no gear probably no traits, and he was downed for you.

Travlane.5948:

no defensive gear etc i said/meant. str8 berseker gear. the weakest out there.

so 350 gold I get, if I break 7500+ from steal and you only use berserkers gear. How do I know you’re wearing berserkers and what build will you be using?

Travlane.5948:

when and where? video only so u cant edit crap like above. walk over to a body . how much we bet? ill match as much as you can. have a moderator hold it. .

You said no gear, and I get 20 tries to manage a 7.5k steal and I get 350 gold?

Travlane.5948:

LOL @ colonial blocking me bc i called him out on BS! he says its a lvl 80 engineer. ask his friend….well my friends im from dragonbrand. so im offering you a chance ….i will goo all attack no defensive runes…no gear etc like that and let you get 10-20 tries to be fair. if u break 7500 once ill pay you all my gold (350g) and all my ectos etc. take my bet. oh wait….u wont bc u know its bs. i will agree my thief peoples MuG is slightly OP. if you drop the base dmg by 20%. you will see the top end go from 6500 ish to about 4500ish. and thats top end makign norms 3800. which i think is fair. these crit buids add 250% total crit. which means if 6500 is high end…. means your only doing 2600 ish non crit as absolute max. which means the range is roughly 1000 -2600 dmg. and thats 2600 max dmg non crit as 30 30 0 0 10 with full zerk etc. so now…after the patch its going to do about 1500 on average. if u think its op…..we will agree. but what he is showing you is lies/propaganda. it can be proven. now what i suggest is drop the high end (of non crit) to like 2000 or 1900….making the max4250 with a crit (x2.5 for the 250% crit increase) . better way of dealing with somethin op.

Okay I’ll take the deal LOL.

Issues.5789:

You you’re right, I’m an undercover spy from Arena Net that came here to lie to you. I’ve never seen so many kitten thieves in my life.

You you’re right, I’m an undercover spy from Arena Net that came here to lie to you. I’ve never seen so many kitten thieves in my life.

Travlane.5948:

TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you hit an upscale. ill bet you my legendary and all my gold you cant do that to any lvl 80! BS! i call str8 bs! stop the propaganda you h8er!

Therapy is the first step.

I’m really liking this discussion, I’d hope some Anet devs would look and give us some feedback on these ideas.

randomfightfan.4091:

A warrior and engi both have access to frenzy which makes them take 50% increased damage. Guaranteed they were using those abilities since I have used mug countless times and the highest I’ve ever had it hit against anything was 8k against someone who dropped me a lvl 1 white in wvw.

I don’t recall the warrior, but I definitely know the engineer was not, he was running away so he only vigor/speed buff.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Issues.5789:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Conditions to possibly pull-off an 11k non-critical dmg Mug;

- Full zerker + Rubies
- At least 30/30/x build
- Based on 2nd screeny – 24 stack of Bloodlust
- Target must have 2500 or less armor rating (not possible against 2600)

I can accept that it’s possible — but that’s not solely Mug’s fault that Mug deals that much damage now is it?

The problem here is this: Anet is creating PvE contents that would require players to deal an insane amount of damage — but — Anet don’t want players to bring that insane amount of damage from PvE to WvW — yet — they refuse to separate the two.

This problem has nothing to do with the profession and definitely nothing to do with Mug.

Either Anet stop creating high-end contents, which PvE players will get bored fast and may leave the game if they haven’t already, or accept the consequences in WvW. Or swallow their pride and separate PvE and WvW.

Why they keep aggravating their player-base is what I don’t understand.

I use Mug in my builds, so I’m upset that it’s getting nerfed; but it needs to be nerfed. I have 2 valkyrie pieces, and I don’t use bloodlust, I use precision stacks. One build was 30/30. In the other picture it was 25/30/0/0/15.
I just want them to add other variables to mug so it’s not rendered useless.

My whole point was/is — Mug is just a scapegoat. Red herring. Straw man. Rumpelstiltskin.

Don’t chase the wild goose or the white rabbit because that’s what Anet wants you to do, so that they don’t have to address the real issue — separating the sheep from the goats.

Potato, lumberyard, sheep, clock, kleenex, microphone, pencil, oranges, and a bowl of air. That’s how much sense you just made to me.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Conditions to possibly pull-off an 11k non-critical dmg Mug;

- Full zerker + Rubies
- At least 30/30/x build
- Based on 2nd screeny – 24 stack of Bloodlust
- Target must have 2500 or less armor rating (not possible against 2600)

I can accept that it’s possible — but that’s not solely Mug’s fault that Mug deals that much damage now is it?

The problem here is this: Anet is creating PvE contents that would require players to deal an insane amount of damage — but — Anet don’t want players to bring that insane amount of damage from PvE to WvW — yet — they refuse to separate the two.

This problem has nothing to do with the profession and definitely nothing to do with Mug.

Either Anet stop creating high-end contents, which PvE players will get bored fast and may leave the game if they haven’t already, or accept the consequences in WvW. Or swallow their pride and separate PvE and WvW.

Why they keep aggravating their player-base is what I don’t understand.

I use Mug in my builds, so I’m upset that it’s getting nerfed; but it needs to be nerfed. I have 2 valkyrie pieces, and I don’t use bloodlust, I use precision stacks. One build was 30/30. In the other picture it was 25/30/0/0/15.
I just want them to add other variables to mug so it’s not rendered useless.

PearlGore.7419:

So how is Mug OP? You never stated why.

Look at the pictures lol.. Pretty sure its there

Pentalic.5409:

Issues.5789:

@Pentalic.5409 – I lost so many pictures when I formatted; but I’m sure I managed a 19k backstab on a level 80 ranger lol.

Back when I ran around WvW in full zerker, 25 stacks of Bloodlust and food I managed a 26k crit on an upleveled player. I know there’s a huge difference in WvW and sPvP just like there’s a difference between upleveled players and lvl 80’s, but that’s the highest single hit on a player that I’ve ever seen xD
I still remember it like it was yesterday…. /driftsoff

Wow.. that’s insane. I don’t even know what to say lol. The highest damage I did was on my warrior, It was an upleveled necro I think that was downed. my 100b hit him for a total of 36k lol, but kitten . 26k backstab is nuts lol

muscarine.5136:

So ?
You’re still clueless.

Moving on ~

Thanks for the information and pictures you’ve provided. Don’t take your anger out on me because you can’t backstab combo anymore lol.

I don’t know whats more sad, the fact that you got killed by eviscerate or that you got killed by eviscerate.. This is my last reply to you as obviously you’re upset you can’t play thief anymore.

Make flanking strike a non-chain skill, increase the damage to dancing dagger and pistol whip. They were nerfed because the combination with quickness made them very powerful.

muscarine.5136:

Issues.5789:

muscarine.5136:

I rest my case – i’m a glass canon thief myself wearing full berzerker build and never got hit that hard by mug in WvW.

If it’s not the level it’s the gear.

I don’t care about mug nerf, as a matter of fact i believe it’s the right move considering it comes along with a slight bunker nerf (except for BM rangers…)

Just saying screenshots like this are irrelevant.

Your whole post is irrelevant.. That warrior hit me for 9k with eviscerate. So he obviously had to be geared. The engineer I just instagibbed with steal (so I wouldn’t know I to be honest)

You have no idea.
9k crit with eviscerate on a WvW glass canon thief is actually low.

I also have a level 80 berserker warrior. :S But sure, you’re right Mug is highly underpowered.

@Pentalic.5409 – I lost so many pictures when I formatted; but I’m sure I managed a 19k backstab on a level 80 ranger lol.

muscarine.5136:

I rest my case – i’m a glass canon thief myself wearing full berzerker build and never got hit that hard by mug in WvW.

If it’s not the level it’s the gear.

I don’t care about mug nerf, as a matter of fact i believe it’s the right move considering it comes along with a slight bunker nerf (except for BM rangers…)

Just saying screenshots like this are irrelevant.

Your whole post is irrelevant.. That warrior hit me for 9k with eviscerate. So he obviously had to be geared. The engineer I just instagibbed with steal (so I wouldn’t know I to be honest)

muscarine.5136:

First this is WvW…

Second, I’m not sure mug WvW crits against lvl20 casuals running around with lvl10 white and blue gearis relevant when it comes to balance.

Both of those crits were done on level 80’s. The first one was a warrior, and the second was a engineer. Nice try.

What do you think of increasing the AoE cap to 7-10? Because if it’s removed, everyone will play a AoE build and everything would be severely considered overpowered. You could stun a zerg of 40 lol. That doesn’t make sense.