What I mean is. If the ranger is using longbow, he can’t really have room to talk down to you about dps >_>
Longbow is a burst weapon and then kitten poor for damage over time. It’s a huge loss after rapid fire sitting there doing autos till swap is off cooldown.
When you pug, most rangers are completely awful, bearbows, people thinking they are super pro dps with GS autos and pig pets, etc. They’re just not even worth taking unless you are gonna gear check them and ask if they are spotter/frost because chances are they are a complete waste of a slot. Also Sic’ Em is much better than sun spirit.
I did a pug run with 3warriors/1ele/1mes last night. Everyone was zerk geared (I checked). Our party DPS was averaging around 15k/sec – 20k/sec. Then, the other day we did a proper guildie run consisting of 1war/1ele/1mes/1ranger/1thief. Our DPS was consistently ticking at 35k/sec to 45k/sec. As soon as we dropped TW and FGS’s that dps went off the charts.
Being a zerk does not mean you’ll be dishing out mad deeps without trying. It all comes down to you knowing how play your stupid class. Of course, warrior is the easiest to play reasonably well (axe 111111111111) which is exactly why they’re the most popular profession in pug “speedruns”.
I agree it’s important to know damage rotations and etc. It is also important to take into account damage modifiers off traits, scholar runes and all accessories and weapon set choices, including sigils such as force and night. Simply getting some pugs in ‘zerker’ with ruby orbs, poor weapons choices, no food or 10% potion buff, don’t stack any might pre-fights with traits all over the place and endure pain in their utility bar is not going to yield optimal damage. I find the best way to go about pugs is to gear check more thoroughly. Scholar runes, accessories and correct weapons sets can often yield better pugs.
I got called out on reddit once for being an elitist when I kicked a guy in magic find after my dungeon run. I actually let him get the reward and kicked him after so I wouldn’t have to take him for the next path.. Was he having any of that? oh looooordy no. Rage ensued on reddit until his ramblings were eventually removed for calling out. It was pretty funny though.
If you have enough AR, the instability for 50 is better than the one for 49, you’ll have better dps output as you wont have to worry about the less endurance = less dps debuff.
You know, you’re actually one of the people I least expected to post something like this, but you should check in more often – Blackgate does conquer the entire red BL frequently.
Yes, I do know that you do not have to be red.
I’ve been watching that vista within the Red EB spawn keep like a hawk the past couple weeks to no success. I have had this open in my browser permanently as well. http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/1308
It’s one of the ones I am missing.
Despite this, no one should have to wait x amount of time for an area to open up to map it. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to suggest that the mapping be moved to another area that is not reliant on what happens in WvW.
OP- I am recommending you do it. Make your own party and check them instead of jumping into a random one where you don’t know what you are getting. Guild groups are shady and random pugs are just that, random. A one hour shaman fight is something you want to avoid.
@ Nikaido- Yes, gearchecking does not ensure that people are decent, however it can increase the likelihood. I still have good success with it.
Not referring to AR. If you gear check the pugs that join, you can filter out the problems before you even start. There are still people in celestials running around -_-
I’m on Blackgate, and have literally been waiting for the last month for our turn to be red for map completion. However it hasn’t happened and likely wont happen I hear because of our high score. I don’t want to transfer because this server is always full and then I wont be able to return and wvw with my friends. Other people are in the same situation. I’ve had friends pay other friends money to forge their legendaries for them using their own exploration gifts simply because they cant get their wvw mapping done.
My solution? Remove mapping requirement for WvW and add it to new places like Southsun cove to compensate.
That’s assuming you keep 25 stacks of might up for the whole fight, right? What about the case where you have a pub that doesn’t use might at all beyond the occasional FGJ? Would that rotation still be preferable to using staff to stack might before the combat engages?
As stated earlier, if in a team of useless pugs- You can do this, but then take it entirely off go to your inventory and replace it with a greatsword.
You pull mob so you go in combat and you lose the efficiency of your switch-weapon. Staff is NOT a proper weapon neither as main or alt-weapon in most of the dungeons.
With the appropriate build, Sword autoattack does just as much if not more dps than GS [citation needed, but I got the idea for this from a DNT build video awhile back]
For optimum Dps, the build is GS and S/f.
The best thing about GS on top of optimum dps rotation is that it does have utility. Extra vauln, blind and an AoE pull.
Here is obal’s advice on rotations. I disagree with the shorter fighter bit, but it works. The extended fight rotation is more or less what I use.
“DPS Rotation for extend fights – GS2 -> GS4 -> GS3 -> GS5 if no pull is needed -> GS auto until GS2 is up -> GS2 -> Swap to sword -> Focus 4 -> Focus 5 if not needed for survival -> Sword auto until 1s after swap is available -> repeat GS and sword rotation
For short fights I use GS2-4 -> Sword"
Main difference for me, is I don’t use Foucs#4 unless I need to blind something to avoid a hit, and not just for vuln stacking since I have warriors for that.
The other problem with the empower is the duration is awful. In a proper group, your warriors/eles put down fire field and blast + fgj up 25 stacks before each fight and it lasts longer as well. So, you do bad dps and you actually screw ppl over with bad might stacks.
Some will argue ‘well most of my teams don’t do that!’
Cool story, so do you put your staff on before the fight, stack the might and then swap it completely off for another actually useful weapon? Do you put a purging flames down before a fight and blast it with focus and hammer? Do you use Virtue of Justice? 9 times out of ten – nope.
About a week ago I had an lfg up for full pug team- any class zerk+ scholar only. A necro joined and pinged his gear, it checked out. It was just a quick run of AC so I was like yeh sure. We get in, the dps is pretty subpar vs most of my selective pug runs.. I figured whatever. At hodjin’s first burrows this guy did absolutely nothing, so we just sent an extra guy to the side he was on. At Kholer he got in the way with his huge lich form and people couldn’t see my wall so they stood in front of it and died. Throughout P1 and 2 paths, the dps was just bleh, I’d say we spent about 3-4 mins more than we had to. On P2 he struggled with protecting the mortars at the end, things just weren’t dieing quickly and he was fearing them away from where I wanted them meaning I had to exhaust pulls where I wanted to save them and people could not get their cleaves as often. After p2, he left and I replaced him with a warrior. Things became smoother, spider queen took about a third longer with the necro vs the warrior replacement.
Sure you can take them, but they offer no real offensive or defensive support past control skills that nobody really wants. I prefer a properly geared and traited pug ranger over a properly geared and traited necro. They offer more. I think the only class I 100% turn down are guardians, even with the correct gear, they either fail their traits or fail at using their utilities and virtues correctly.
That build is all you should ever need for dungeons, you would just slow your team down and be a hindrance with a tank setup. If this is for open world or something however, I cannot comment.
Let me see what I can churn up here from my patch notes. Ah yes here we are my friends.
The dredge carriage in the underground fractal now has the following functions:
After defeating each dredge wave, 6 wisps will spawn at various places around the map. Party members must split up to retrieve these wisps and place them inside the carriage within the time limit of 20 seconds.
When a player approaches a wisp, a champion dredge mob will spawn that must be killed within the time limit in order to pick up the wisp.
Failure to run all 6 wisps in will reset the dredge carriage back to its first initial wave and buff the health of the dredge mobs by 150%. This is to encourage teamwork and add value to completing the task the first time around.
I. I also never stated that I ran as a full DPS guardian, that was simply plucked out of thin air.
aaaaaaaaah, there we go. Finally, wasn’t so hard to admit it. Thing is friend, when people on these boards refer to a full zerker guardian, its also implied they run the 20/25/0/0/25 build. Because according to these boards, this is the meta. Full zerker and this build are one and the same for most people because simply there is no point in running 20/25/0/0/25 without full zerk.
Therefore you do NOT run GC on 49 pugs. Thanks for the clarification.
FYI I am not hostile to zerk guardians, my gear is 80% zerk. I am however hostile to people like spoj and co who think there is either full zerk glass cannon, or full cleric healway and are unwilling to even bother discussing anything else in between these extremes. Hence why I call em zerk drones.
No, it’s not implied. That’s something you once again assumed. Possibly for the sake of being hostile now towards me. And if you want to talk meta, the meta build for high lvl fotm on guardian is actually the one I run, which includes full zerk gear + hammer.
You made the assumption that I ran the full DPS build that is meta in other dungeons instead of the correct assumption which would be that I run the high lvl fotm meta build in fotm 49 which is probably just too much common sense. When did I ever state that I ran ’ full GC’? Where did I say that? I was simply discussing the use of berserker gear. You are simply making up arguments and then arguing with yourself.
Also, leave poor spoj out of this, he is a nice guy. If you want to be hostile towards individuals, here is not the place.
I wasn’t actually referring to pugs. This was brought up by hunter. But just fyi I also run it in pugs just fine. I’m simply letting people know it’s perfectly do-able and can in fact be optimal if you take advantage of your class’s skill set. I also never stated that I ran as a full DPS guardian, that was simply plucked out of thin air. I said I can run 49 in full berserker gear. I run a hammer build with Writ of persistence and master of consecrations.
Now as to why you are so hostile towards people running berserker which has zero effect on you, I am curious. Calling people drones is not exactly friendly conversation. You also appear to make a thousand assumptions a minute as to what Spoj and I think of people not running zerker.
It’s easy to advocate zerker gear because it actually works. Everyday I tour each dungeon from AC to arah in full zerk. Pretty sure it’s working outside of solo videos.
Exactly. I hear dungeon content is hard. As I said, this type of content shouldn’t even register.
Shouldn’t even register? what?
And I pug it everyday. And I can tell you again full zerk in fractal 49 is not OPTIMAL. It is doable for sure, but simply not optimal or efficient. The whole notion of 11k health on a guard is stupid but again, this brings back the catch 22 I mentioned a while back.
Its the best for beating hard stuff like AC though
You can keep telling me zerker is not optimal but I’m still going to use it, and I’m still going to have flawless runs. Yep, even with my 11k hp I can have flawless 49’s. Must be due to some crazy class mechanics like aegis, vigor, blinds, reflects and…
im calling you all zerker drones because you are unwilling to look for other options which might open after this patch, zerker is best for running CoF p1 or for bragging about lupi solo kills.
Not so optimal when u do dredge fractal 49.
PS: I love your comeback about cleric gear. Shows your ignorance. There is more than just full zerker and cleric to this game
Uhm. You can do all dungeons in zerker gear, including dredge 49 just fine. Your argument = invalid.
#EveryoneIsIgnorantButMe
#RampagerNewMeta2014
Until u have that full zerker guardian try to stand on the switch
And your argument can be used bothways.
“Zerk gear is the way to go because I say so, if u can’t do said content with zerk gear, you aren’t good enough”
Notice the catch 22 that everyone seems to be using these days?
(im not saying its right or wrong, im saying It doesn’t leave much room for discussion)
1. ) usually the guardian kites the mobs around.
2.) If they do stand on the switch they just chain exploits reflects.
“Zerk gear is the way to go because I say so, if u can’t do said content with zerk gear, you aren’t good enough”
^
Never said this
Ah yes, kiting, until you realize half the mob has gone back and 2 shot the guys standing on switches.
This doesn’t happen if you make sure you have them agro’ed. I’m not sure what you’re getting at here because I do this often and have yet to have a problem. And if I did, it would not be because I was wearing zerker gear lol.
And then you have the bomb run…
You’re telling me you can’t do this in zerker gear either? Been there done that.
Its easy to advocate full zerk for cakewalk content until you realize that shouldn’t even register in everyone’s radars. All its there is for people to post videos soloing extremely telegraphed bosses and brag about it.
It’s easy to advocate zerker gear because it actually works. Everyday I tour each dungeon from AC to arah in full zerk. Pretty sure it’s working outside of solo videos.
Once you get to content that actually MATTERS, you understand full zerk groups is not that ideal and you wanna have a few valk or PTV pieces in there. 11k health in fractal 49 is NOT optimal.
I do 49’s often with a full team of players entirely in zerker gear. I think I know what’s up here. >_>
im calling you all zerker drones because you are unwilling to look for other options which might open after this patch, zerker is best for running CoF p1 or for bragging about lupi solo kills.
Not so optimal when u do dredge fractal 49.
PS: I love your comeback about cleric gear. Shows your ignorance. There is more than just full zerker and cleric to this game
Uhm. You can do all dungeons in zerker gear, including dredge 49 just fine. Your argument = invalid.
#EveryoneIsIgnorantButMe
#RampagerNewMeta2014
Until u have that full zerker guardian try to stand on the switch
And your argument can be used bothways.
“Zerk gear is the way to go because I say so, if u can’t do said content with zerk gear, you aren’t good enough”
Notice the catch 22 that everyone seems to be using these days?
(im not saying its right or wrong, im saying It doesn’t leave much room for discussion)
1. ) usually the guardian kites the mobs around.
2.) If they do stand on the switch they just chain exploits reflects.
“Zerk gear is the way to go because I say so, if u can’t do said content with zerk gear, you aren’t good enough”
