How about, if you don’t like stacking, you don’t stack.
What is this kitten about forcing your views on everyone else?
‘I don’t like stacking, nerf it so everyone is forced not to stack.’
How about no. Go make your own group, just like we scummy elitists do when we want zerk+scholar only. There’s even a thread filled to the brim with cognitive dissonance and people just begging for a group with no stacking. Join them and make a group instead of making yet another complain thread.
He knows he want’s something comparable to a build that gives the same durability and decent damage an AH build gives. Meta doesn’t deliver that without the skilled player behind the keyboard playing it.
Additionally I recognize that not all players are capable or like to run the meta, so I understand when people look for alternatives, and don’t question them. Instead I try to help with as little bias as possible.
^^ This.
It really does not take a skilled player to run meta, and if you were reading I recommended a knight’s gear set for beginners. Whatever I’m just repeating myself. People say don’t bother, he’s a troll.. but I just feel bad for noobs given bad advice.
And no Obtena, I recommended a build and it just happened to meta, probably because it’s a good build.
It ‘s certainly a good build but the OP didn’t ask for that. He asked if AH was viable and for a comparable build. Answering with the meta doesn’t address either of those things because meta isn’t comparable to an AH build for the particular features he was looking for.
Meta is good but, it’s not the ‘do everything for everyone’ build people want to envision it to. Maybe if the meta club people spent more time fostering and paying attention to how people actually play the game, then those players would get better faster on their own terms.
So do you guys know of any still viable altruistic healing builds for solo/dungeon PvE, or if not, do you know something comparable that you might suggest? Thanks!
He doesn’t know what he wants. He doesn’t even know if AH is viable anymore, if it’s not then he wants a recommendation to something that will dish out good dps and support which is exactly the builds I supplied to him. They happen to be meta? Oh no. The sky is falling.
I’d like to point out that the ‘dead dps is no dps’ mantra that many people mindlessly chant can also be misleading.
his is simple math. X number of people in the group. If one of X is dead that means you now have 4 to do the work of 5.
If it’s simple math, then please address this:
Ok well then..
What if for example someone does 10 dps in 20 seconds but is dead for the last 5, and another person does 1 dps in 20 seconds but is alive the entire time. Who did more dps?
We don’t work in fictional numbers. The simple fact is if one person is dead 4 people have to make up the difference either by extra DPS or by extending the duration of the fight. Why is that so hard to understand?
PvE in this game isn’t about a certain spec or stat score. It is more about knowing the encounter. Some people do optimize their groups for the so called speed runs. We all know that some stats are changing because we, the player base, have made use of something that they didn’t actually intend. Hence the zerk / crit incoming changes.
Run AH. I don’ care. I don’t ask people when I do dungeons. My only question is:
Have you been in here before…
And that they can even tell a lie, agreed?
So basically what I’m gathering from this big wall of text is no, you cannot mathematically explain the question posed to you. You don’t want to deal with ‘fictional numbers’ when you yourself are now working with a fictional situation in which 1 person is dead and 4 alive.
Ok good day to you sir, enjoy mediocrity.
Or you can’t do simple math?
Factual information because there is a set number of people that entered the dungeon. Factual information because any number of them can die. Factual information because those that are left alive now have to finish the factual encounter.
I’m not sure what planet you are on but maybe the math is different. But here on earth 1 + 1 = 2. 5 – 1 = 4. See the pattern or do we need to get Dora the Explorer involved or maybe the muppet’s ? Then there is time. Obviously 5 will finish quicker than 4 or 3 or 2, etc. Thus the comment dead people don’t DPS.
Note the OP asked: “I’m looking to run a build for PvE solo and dungeon PvE that is pretty durable but can still dish out enough damage to not be worthless.”
Do you see optimal in that sentence?
Firstly, I suggested a build that is a mix of dps and support which is what he is after.
Secondly. You still are avoiding the question because you don’t wish to entertain the scary idea that the people doing more dps, even when downed or dead for a % of the fight still contribute more than those who never go down and are in full pvt.
Thirdly, you are becoming aggressive and angry at me when really you should just be angry at the fact you cannot address the question. I’d be angry too if I was wrong.
And no Obtena, I recommended a build and it just happened to meta, probably because it’s a good build. You recommended a build and I said AH is still useless, not because it’s not meta but because AH is actually useless in dungeons. You then decided to argue semantics instead. I’m not really buying into your fear of people ‘selling meta’. Speaking of selling though, what am I getting for payment?
I’d like to point out that the ‘dead dps is no dps’ mantra that many people mindlessly chant can also be misleading.
his is simple math. X number of people in the group. If one of X is dead that means you now have 4 to do the work of 5.
If it’s simple math, then please address this:
Ok well then..
What if for example someone does 10 dps in 20 seconds but is dead for the last 5, and another person does 1 dps in 20 seconds but is alive the entire time. Who did more dps?
We don’t work in fictional numbers. The simple fact is if one person is dead 4 people have to make up the difference either by extra DPS or by extending the duration of the fight. Why is that so hard to understand?
PvE in this game isn’t about a certain spec or stat score. It is more about knowing the encounter. Some people do optimize their groups for the so called speed runs. We all know that some stats are changing because we, the player base, have made use of something that they didn’t actually intend. Hence the zerk / crit incoming changes.
Run AH. I don’ care. I don’t ask people when I do dungeons. My only question is:
Have you been in here before…
And that they can even tell a lie, agreed?
So basically what I’m gathering from this big wall of text is no, you cannot mathematically explain the question posed to you. You don’t want to deal with ‘fictional numbers’ when you yourself are now working with a fictional situation in which 1 person is dead and 4 alive.
Ok good day to you sir, enjoy mediocrity.
Also I had a pretty good lol at ‘zerk not being intended’.
I’d like to point out that the ‘dead dps is no dps’ mantra that many people mindlessly chant can also be misleading.
his is simple math. X number of people in the group. If one of X is dead that means you now have 4 to do the work of 5.
If it’s simple math, then please address this:
Ok well then..
What if for example someone does 10 dps in 20 seconds but is dead for the last 5, and another person does 1 dps in 20 seconds but is alive the entire time. Who did more dps?
Yes. lets see what the WvW community has to say about a decision that will affect people who play all/other aspects of the game.. Gee I wonder what insightful and informative input they will have..
We have already discussed why the OP may have mentioned AH, I’m not interested in going around in circles with you trying to make square shaped pieces fit into circular rings.
Actually very relevant. It does nothing for your team, and you yourself don’t need it to stay alive, therefore it’s not viable.
How do you know the OP doesn’t need it to stay alive? Do you know him personally? have you seen him play? I’m going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt that if he’s asking about AH, it’s not simply to be academic.
How do you know he does need it?
Oh stop it you
Because he asked? I mean, do you ask about AH builds because you don’t need them?
Again…I’m going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt that if he’s asking about AH, it’s not simply to be academic.
Jeez, I dunno. Maybe because he’s not up to date with dungeons and has no idea what to run? Maybe because AH was the (evil) meta about a year or so ago when no one had a clue about anything?
There are plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with individual skill level.
I’m going to respect the OP’s intelligence and give him the build that is widely used and accepted as the meta because it is vastly superior to AH builds and is easier to play because it does more.
That’s fair. I’m respecting the Op’s intelligence by not second guessing him. It might shock you to find this out but despite the existence of a meta, people actually consciously don’t run it for plenty of reasons not related to skill level as well. Whether a build is easier or not is based on the individual.
You are making the assumption that the meta builds require a certain individual to be able to play them. They’re popular partly because they’re not hard to play and partly because they work really well.
Anyways, get your last word in but at the end of the day it’s going to come down to the substance of the conversations that will help the OP decide. I can’t say that ‘stacking makes AH viable’ and ‘well maybe he’s an individual with special circumstances’ are really winning talking points.
Actually very relevant. It does nothing for your team, and you yourself don’t need it to stay alive, therefore it’s not viable.
How do you know the OP doesn’t need it to stay alive? Do you know him personally? have you seen him play? I’m going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt that if he’s asking about AH, it’s not simply to be academic.
How do you know he does need it?
Oh stop it you
Because he asked? I mean, do you ask about AH builds because you don’t need them?
Again…I’m going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt that if he’s asking about AH, it’s not simply to be academic.
Jeez, I dunno. Maybe because he’s not up to date with dungeons and has no idea what to run? Maybe because AH was the (evil) meta about a year or so ago when no one had a clue about anything?
There are plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with individual skill level.
I’m going to respect the OP’s intelligence and give him the build that is widely used and accepted as the meta because it is vastly superior to AH builds and is easier to play because it does more.
Even the OP indicates he is unsure if AH is useful anymore, and the answer is…
*drum roll *
It’s not.
Actually very relevant. It does nothing for your team, and you yourself don’t need it to stay alive, therefore it’s not viable.
How do you know the OP doesn’t need it to stay alive? Do you know him personally? have you seen him play? I’m going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt that if he’s asking about AH, it’s not simply to be academic.
If he needs to stay alive he can run a knight’s set. It’s not hard.
AH works if your team knows how to stack, otherwise it’s meh. If your team knows how to stack, then you are best off using hammer with AH. It’s pretty situational because if you are in PUG, it’s likely the won’t stack and run around trying to not die instead of owning stuff.
You still haven’t explained how stacking magically makes AH viable.
So do you guys know of any still viable altruistic healing builds for solo/dungeon PvE, or if not, do you know something comparable that you might suggest? Thanks!
No, there are no viable AH builds for dungeons. Do I know of something comparable that I could suggest? Yes. Yes, I do.
Try out-
10/30/0/5/25
After a future update due to nerfs to critical dmg/vigor trait, aim for-
20/25/0/0/25
I’m not sure why, they just never bothered with taking red spawn keeps like overlook on EB.. at least not until after I transferred which kinda kittened me off lol.
I made the underwater legendary for the bubble aura
The problem with TC is it’s packed with RP’ers spamming up the map chat with wierd/creepy kitten and I have to turn it off to resist trolling lol.
He got advice. It’s just that some of that advice seemed to ignore what he was looking for. He didn’t ask to not be bad, he asked for a build that give AH-equivalent durability and not useless DPS. Some people took this as an invitation to push the DPS meta. That’s not being honest.
Problem I have with this is that it seems to be systematic with every build-advice thread. Regardless of what conditions people put on their request, they always seem to get the scripted DPS meta mantra. Maybe people should stop assuming that every request for advice is a plea to ‘stop being bad players’. That’s OK though, I don’t mind balancing this out for y’all.
AH build is viable and it’s only comparable equivalent is meditation heals. I get it … you guys have a hate thing for people that don’t run meta. At least you should be more honest about it. Then the OP will really know who to regard as useful info or .. political banter.
No I don’t have a hate thing for builds outside of meta.
However, I do have a hate thing for people giving bad advice Obtena. It’s extremely irresponsible and selfish that you would push AH not because it’s good (because it’s not) but because you just hate people recommending meta which for some reason you are struggling to understand. I’ll remind you again that the builds I listed are not full dps builds and are in fact suitable for the OP. Next you’ll be recommending burning builds just to be different.
Just to reiterate, in case you missed the message- AH build is not viable in dungeons.
It’s fun when people tell other players what they need, what to wear, what stats and traits to use, etc… without knowing how they do or want to play.
Dear OP … do what you feel is how YOU want to play. Until someone pays your costs to play the game, those are YOUR decisions to make.
Same can be said for you Obtena. :/
Dear OP- I have suggested a build that is really not hard to play and will help you immensely. If it’s a real issue, I have also suggested you try out a knight’s set with this build. I wish you all the best and hope you enjoy guardian as much as I do :P
I got defeated by dredge scale 28 today , you can at least say that next time instead of leaving an empty text … How I am supposed to reply if its blank
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So do you guys know of any still viable altruistic healing builds for solo/dungeon PvE, or if not, do you know something comparable that you might suggest? Thanks!
Yep, he’s being helpful. <3
A full DPS build that depends on a players background for survival is comparable to a AH build? OK. I don’t think that’s the definition of comparable the OP is referring to. Sure you can compare them, but they don’t achieve the same thing. I guess the OP can decide.
It’s not a full dps build. This has been explained to you, whether you choose to ignore it or not is up to you.
I’m sure the OP has the ability to understand that 25 points in virtues is not ‘full dps’
^^ That’s just not answering the OP’s question. AH is the most viable in stacking and gives the a very durable build in that scenario. That’s not debatable. The OP also wants to know comparable builds other than AH. While that’s a vague qualifier, I don’t think his intent was to be fed “DPS or FAIL at PVE” rhetoric with the suggestion to run THE highest DPS and questionably durable Guardian builds.
We’ve been through this before. The builds you gave require the player to be knowledge and skilled enough to be played in a manner to make up for any durability they lack in the stats. If the OP was this kind of player, this thread wouldn’t exist.
I never said anything about dps or fail. Those builds I suggested contain both dps and support traits. I have run AH, and I have run this build. Running Obal’s build has actually been easier for me to play because it gives direct/immediate condition removal with virtue of resolve and lower cooldowns on consecrations which includes reflects which are vital in dungeons and all that’s really required. It then leaves room to significantly up the dps. Things die faster and it results in much less of a struggle. The build suggested isn’t actually the highest dps available either. It is a balance of both dps and support. A full dps build would not be running these traits.
It’s also important to understand that dps is also a form of support in this game. You may keep consecrations and resolve in your AH build but you sacrifice so much dps just to get heals from boons for yourself that you are detrimental to your team.
Running AH does nothing for your team. And stacking does not somehow magically change this. It also creates a reliance on something that you don’t need. If you have trouble staying up, I’ll say it again.. Run knight’s gear. This build is not hard to play, don’t insult the skill of the OP.
Tired of not actually playing the game when you run dungeons with pugs? Tired of skipping half of the dungeon? Tired of exploits? Tired of gameplay that has been dumbed down to dodge rolling into walls and spamming 1? Honestly, it seems that, as a result of all of the efficiency-oriented dungeon metagames and champ zerging, most of the community has forgotten how to actually play.
Many of them don’t have the number requirement. Go ahead and do some AC 1/2/3, arah 2/3/4, SE 1/3 (2 is boring as kitten), CM 1/2/3, Hotw 1(2+3 boring/long), CoE 1/2/3 has a requirement to get the lazer trap open but you can do this with 4 people by having one stand between two of the consoles on the opposing side, TA u/u, F/U, CoF 2/3.. probably missing some btw w/e im tired.
