Guild Wars 2

maxinion.8396:

puts on flame-resistant suit

Can we put an entry in about stacking? I’ll write one when my plane lands.

kitten’s gonna get real.

Hunter.4783:

im calling you all zerker drones because you are unwilling to look for other options which might open after this patch, zerker is best for running CoF p1 or for bragging about lupi solo kills.

Not so optimal when u do dredge fractal 49.

PS: I love your comeback about cleric gear. Shows your ignorance. There is more than just full zerker and cleric to this game

Uhm. You can do all dungeons in zerker gear, including dredge 49 just fine. Your argument = invalid.

#EveryoneIsIgnorantButMe

#RampagerNewMeta2014

Yes, we have yet to see the light that is cleric’s gear. Please, enlighten us.

I’m gonna tell you right now. You will not receive an official response on this. Yep. I know, it’s funny. It’s also depressing. A dungeon team does not currently exist. The only feedback you will receive here is from dungeon forum regulars.

Here’s mine:

lvl 35 drops are fine. Why? Because it gives access to lower tier materials from salvage that you normally wouldn’t come across as an 80.

Many dungeons need an overhaul, especially in the ways of giving loot from trash mobs and new uses for tokens. I would love to see a hard mode setting much like in GW1 with unique skin rewards, but we all know how that would go down with the many who could choose to opt out but instead would rather dictate that such a mode doesn’t exist because ‘leetism hurts teh communities! This would also require resource investment from development which won’t happen because it will not = enough of a profit.

In all however, I would like to see them just say kitten it, leave the dungeons as is and start over. Make a whole set of entirely new dungeons. So many of us are just bored of doing the same thing over and over. You can change the encounters but at the end of the day it’s still the same content.

Also ‘zerker or gtfo’ is not the prevailing attitude. There is however a ‘I am making my own team and I want this in it.’ attitude which everyone is entitled to. This enables the freedom for you to make your own party and also decide what you want in it.

LittleLepton.8915:

I loved the “that was pretty neat.” At the end, which didn’t actually convince me at all that they thought it was neat.

Hahaha, nice video, great kill.

Dom is very enthusiastic.

Yep.. really I see it like this. The majority of the community needs to be babysit like a bunch of children. Spare no expense, wrap towels around door handles, soft rubber around corners of walls, fences around stairways. They are completely incapable of actually doing the right thing. Unfortunately we all have to bear the consequences of this and now when there are actual meaningful changes that could be made anet uses this as an excuse.

Split pve and pvp skills? Nah too muchwork errr.. the community isn’t smart enough!

People are being stupid and ruining people’s parties with the LFG? * crickets *

argh -.- Arena net you need to account for human stupidity. If they have an option to press a button they do it, they don’t even read or think.

Even if it did not kick from dungeons (now?), I got merged repeatedly by people who cannot read my description until I was suppressed while trying to form my team the other night. The whole merge thing should just be removed.

If they are equal skill then they don’t need to run another gear set. If they are lesser skill then they do. Not seeing the problem.

dutchiez.7502:

Just make a group stating ‘no stacking noobs’ and leave us be.

Not possible, must make millions of threads complaining in a forum that no one reads.

#logic

Dee Jay.2460:

I do honestly wonder what feedback they base these types of changes on.

People on private server who are essentially yes-men to any suggestions.

Wha-what? You mean like.. actually buffing bad sets like rampagers?

IMPOSSIBLE!

The only changes I’m likely making are no more RHS so -5 radiance and then +5 Zeal and Bloodlust stacks instead of precision stacks. 20/25/0/0/25

#longlivethemeta ^_^.

Thankfully I didn’t make assassin’s pieces. <3 Zerker!

You can’t really optimize for both with one build.

Evalia.7103:

Of course it isn’t good if all you care about is damage – it’s obvious. Of course you will want some sustain for your party in high level fractals. Maybe you weren’t in them yet?
40-50+ and the likes.

Assuming Obal hasn’t done high lvl fotm:

LittleLepton.8915:

The cutest Charr I ever saw. By the way I’ve decreed you won the fashionable dungeon run thread. Lol. Not too many people can make it look that good. XD

DeSade might be angry with me now.

One charr to rule them all! RAWR

LittleLepton.8915:

MastaNeenja.1537:

well if you’re going to look at some one for the next 15 to 60 min they may as well be easy on the eyes, amirite?

My thinking precisely, haha.

#NoCharrsExceptSwiftpaw

awwwwwwwwwwww T_T <3 bring a tear to me eye you do

Don’t say the E word this time!

Lucky.9421:

This was a bit of a pain because we were mostly hyrbid builds with one person being full bleed specced. I was running a vuln build myself which can usually maintain 15-25 stacks on legendaries, but I could not keep anything on this boss for more than a instant.

Welp, we’ve all got to learn somehow.

guanlongwucaii.3162:

I got reported by a certain transylvanian youtuber (or one of his numerous minions) for calling him a kittening dimwit, qq

In that case, you must wear this with honor. It’s not everyday that one slays a vampire.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Ha.

Or perhaps they’ll nerf Shelter to make Litany more desirable. That’d be fun.

I actually would not be surprised.

Why do they always nerf good things to make bad things seem better -.- is it really that hard to just buff the bad things?

It will change nothing but the run time, and even then not by a huge amount.

As much as people cry about what other people are doing on their runs in zerk gear, nothing will change and their pvt/rampagers/clerics/playhowyouwant builds will still never keep up.They bought into another PR stunt and gear diversity for the sake of efficiency will remain not diverse.

Doon.2364:

MastaNeenja.1537:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

I wish I could make a thread about eliminating complaining about stacking.

+1 we get a new one of these every week.

I haven’t done one yet, that’s why I feel obligated. Have to continue the tradition.

pls no more, my sanity..it’s almost tipped over the edge T_T

I had a bad feeling. So I just crafted full ascended zerk without the assasin’s pieces, guess that was a decent call :/

Ropechef.6192:

2:
THERE IS NO DUNGEON DEVELOPMENT TEAM!
they were let go and or absorbed into the Living story teams Any complaints and or suggestions and what not will fall on deaf ears. The dungeons are the way they are now. and will be for the foreseeable future. as much as you may hate X or dislike Y and have a great suggestion to fix Z. I hate to say it, but it wont go anywhere.

So in other words:

a t s e.9614:

Swiftpaw, you know what I mean by pressing 11 .. No matter what buttons you press you can stand still and facetank the dmg in full zerk gear. And sadly I cant record anything in arah because of the poor performance. Thatss why I end up dying in phase 3 to the shooting atack when solo.

But if it’s so easy and with so little skill requirement why does lag even matter?

NO! fadeaway! Don’t buy into their evil lies!

Being a better player is exploit! EXPLOIT!

a t s e.9614:

Look the picture that I have joined, my warrior full zerker/scholar. Im using it not because of skill but because it is easy and requires me to not dodge when I do PvE. Dead mobs deal no damage if you didint realise that yet, I dont know what to say.

Why are you ignoring the truth? You know that the majority of the boss is either stacking in the corner and pressing 1 or just stacking on the boss and pressing 1. I know what I’m talking about I made 1,5k gold in 1 month from dungeon running but I cant do it actively like I was doing before now, I get bored and there’s no challenge.

Note that I dont hate PvE, in gw1 thats what I was doing for most of the time because there was a risk to die at least. But not here sorry.

1.5k is pitiful and means nothing. I’ve seen cleric’s AH guards with more money than that, simply from leeching off others.

Also speaking of ignoring, you ignored my reply. Please provide a video where your whole team stacks on lupi and auto attacks him with no dodges or any other actions.

If you spent a whole month simply walking up to bosses and pressing 1 then I feel sorry for all the teams that carried you. Vulnerability, weapon swapping, dodging, might/fury up keep and banner uptime is so over rated.

Here is a tip though, pressing the 1 button doesn’t take a screenshot for you, that’s why you had to whisper a friend.

I would still run berseker gear, and all other sets would still be a joke in dungeons. GJ anet, I’m sure this will fix everything.

a t s e.9614:

Because it is the truth. If you’re telling me that fighting lupi for 10min is easier than 30 secs you are wrong. Which makes zerker equal to any other set or even easier in terms of skill.

That’s how the game works. if tanking with PVT was possible then PVT would be the ez mode set, where you just stand there take hits and kill stuff even if it takes 1 hour but its not the case which makes berserker the best AND the easiest gear to play with.

At first I thought bad troll, but it’s apparent you just have some very misinformed information. This is probably why you struggle in arah to begin with. I also noticed a while back that you put me on your friend list. Please, stop following me.

a t s e.9614:

J Eberle.9312:

You mean I can just stack on lupi and auto without any dodging? Nice

¸

You can, the aegis from a guard saves u from 1 kick , thats enough to burst down phase 1. Phase 2 carried by mesmer’s feedback , no need to dodge. Phase 3 autoatack and win.

Btw what you are referring to is a perfect kill which in and of itself requires excellent coordination + good rng to achieve maximum dps and smooth phase transition. You won’t get that by just walking in, stacking and auto attacking. It’s a pity this has to be explained, but I suppose not everyone has actually achieved this and so they make sweeping assumptions.

All other dungeons i do not press the dodge button at all.

Well I guess PVT gear has its uses right?

You mean I can just stack on lupi and auto without any dodging? Nice

Atse, gl with face tanking alphard in Zerker as well, since we’re into that. If it doesn’t work out then be sure to check out rt’s video in full PVT.

Fext.3614:

From my experience it is not that bad, but please feel free to post a better build.

Here you go.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first

Enjoy.

I heard it’s rubbish though idk

The leader boards were an insult to our intelligence. They used the promise of them to shut us up about resetting progression.

LittleLepton.8915:

I bet anet will now go into everyone’s account to see what is being said.

Lol

Good.

Nemesis.8593:

Never said you should kill everything, i said you shouldn’t be able to SKIP EVERYTHING.
Why… why do i keep coming back to the conversation.
You guys simply won’t understand…
I am fascinated by this… this is the only game in the world (recently published) where skipping everything to the boss, then killing the boss in 40 seconds is actually possible… more then that, people actually say this is intended and want the entire game to be like this…

It’s beyond ridiculous when people actually believe “monsters are to be skipped”… ahahaha… oh god…

You are sounding overly zealous, it’s uncouth.

If you are able to run past a mob that literally drops nothing worth killing it for, I think that’s enough incentive to skip.

My solution is to give mobs incentive to kill them in the ways of actual drops.

The solution of others is to just gate off things until they are killed so that people are forced to kill them whether they like it or not.

I am in support of giving people the freedom of choice.

And just so we don’t forget, here is what you said:

Nemesis.8593:

You still don’t get it… killing monsters “IS” the game… Would you play a game without monsters ? How about without bosses… how about we skip everything and just stand around in shiny armor…

Nemesis.8593:

J Eberle.9312:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

J Eberle.9312:

If you have the option to do both but insist on a change that would make everyone do things the way you want, then I still think it is.

It’s not the same.

The problem here is clearly bad dungeon design. It stands to reason that when you design a dungeon, you logically design it so that players can fight some (if not most) of the enemies in it. Avoiding some patrols is an accepted strategy, as it has been since GW1. But skipping everything can’t be, and should not be intended design.

The cry here is for better design that gives meaning to fighting the mobs in the dungeons. Give them better loot (and better drop rates), and players will be encouraged to fight them, but not forced to. Add some gating to parts of the dungeon, so not everything will be trivialized by running past all the mobs.

Perhaps in your eyes it is bad game design, but not to everyone. I honestly think that time gating is bad game design. People already actively avoid time gated paths.

I agree, mobs to need to give the incentive to kill them. But I do not agree that we should force people to kill them.

You still don’t get it… killing monsters “IS” the game… Would you play a game without monsters ? How about without bosses… how about we skip everything and just stand around in shiny armor…

Some of you are really convinced in gaming you should skip as much as possible, basically in an MMORPG which is designed for combat (unlike sims or train simulators) we should combat less…

It’s like… we want to fight without violence… we want to play the game without playing the game…

Nemesis this has been said before – Play how you want, you are welcome to, but stop jabbering on about how horrible other people are for not doing things your way.

And for the record.. ( I really should not have to say this because it’s obvious) Nobody is asking for a game where we don’t kill anything. That sort of slippery slope argument has no bearing on reality.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

J Eberle.9312:

If you have the option to do both but insist on a change that would make everyone do things the way you want, then I still think it is.

It’s not the same.

The problem here is clearly bad dungeon design. It stands to reason that when you design a dungeon, you logically design it so that players can fight some (if not most) of the enemies in it. Avoiding some patrols is an accepted strategy, as it has been since GW1. But skipping everything can’t be, and should not be intended design.

The cry here is for better design that gives meaning to fighting the mobs in the dungeons. Give them better loot (and better drop rates), and players will be encouraged to fight them, but not forced to. Add some gating to parts of the dungeon, so not everything will be trivialized by running past all the mobs.

Perhaps in your eyes it is bad game design, but not to everyone. I honestly think that time gating is bad game design. People already actively avoid time gated paths.

I agree, mobs to need to give the incentive to kill them. But I do not agree that we should force people to kill them.

If you have the option to do both but insist on a change that would make everyone do things the way you want, then I still think it is.

Goodbye, cruel game. Fare thee well.

The politician’s response. I expected no more and no less.

Eeeeeeeeeeeh maybe next year then.

noobgood.8762:

I am afraid of infractions.

Ugh pm me it

Do tell o_o

They will just make zerker less powerful so that the result is this: dungeons take longer to complete so that people who are speedrunning don’t make money as fast because that is considered farming and farming is ‘evil’ in this game because players with gold mean less real money purchases for the cash shop.

They have no interest in making other stat sets viable and never did.

Things will carry on as per usual.

Stability is exploit.

ingame lfg > ‘hi, noob looking for players to help me learn dungeon’ > get party > do dungeon.

I added my contribution to that source thread, should be good.

fadeaway.2807:

Nike does have a point.

The decision to ignore defensive stats and load up on offensive stats SHOULD mean you deal a lot of damage and die easily.
That is exactly what zerker gear does. You have low hp, no mitigation, and massive dps.

The gear is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. It’s the content which isn’t providing the threat to your life.

In any other PvE game, once content becomes less threatening to your life… you begin swapping healers for dpsers.

I absolutely agree with this and the solution is to make new, better dungeons.

Will we see this happen? Doubtful.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

@Chris

Looks good, don’t see anything to correct on it.

I’ll be working up something for the “subclass CDI” whenever it comes out. Any idea on what the next one is so I can start studying?

I think we should discuss that in the CDI Process Evolution Phase 2 which will start on Wednesday 22nd. Among other things we need to chat about what topics to discuss in the next CDIs and how to go about choosing them. I would personally like to have a week long PVE CDI on Fractals next (Running in conjunction with a PvP and WvW CDI) but we should discuss it as a group first.

Chris

On all those topics, I have no knowledge (PvP), limited knowledge (Fractals), or only amateur knowledge (WvW) so I’ll likely be quiet in whatever topic we wind up doing

See you on the 22nd for the discussion then, though. I’m off to go work some other ideas up.

Awesome, see you then Tobias. And I am pretty sure that any CDI member at this point would be a benefit to any CDI topic moving forward.

Chris

Hello Chris.

I want to play a game.

Count the developer posts in the dungeon forums in the last 5 months.

Muhahahahahaha.

So in all seriousness, we could use some feedback. It’s great that you are willing to discuss fractals, but could we possibly include all dungeons in this discussion? Along with possibly the discussion of new/upcoming dungeons?