We are all in support of buffing other builds to create variety, however you will find not many people are in favor of nerfing the current successful builds.
As they say on the Old El Paso Ads, ‘Why can’t we just have both?’
Because it divides the community. I run PVT guardian and ran HOW P1, ended up with all zerkers. At the end boss, everyone kept going down and 1 guy died next to an NPC, when I went to rez him, I ended up rezzing the NPC instead. This guy calls me out on it and I apologize. Then he proceeds to say that the reason we are having trouble is because I can’t do enough damage and that the NPC probably does more damage then I do. Well, the other party members didn’t like that comment and actually decided to kick him. We got another party member and finished the dungeon.
I decide to do SE path 1 and everyone decides to stack in the corner for the 3 golems, everyone goes down in a matter of a few seconds. I could tell they were zerkers. After 3 tries we finally got it. After finishing that path, went on to p3. Well, group decided to run past all the mobs right before the first boss and all the enemies got aggroed, followed and wiped everyone out 2 times. After everyone was already downed the 3rd time within a matter of seconds, I just decided to call it quits today. Next time I’m in a dungeon, I’m almost thinking about posting “No Zerkers” I mean maybe I can’t kill enemies as fast as the other people but if people are going down after 1 or 2 hits, how much faster can it be to have to start over and over and over again because the whole party wipes?
Even if they nerfed zerk gear I still wouldn’t want to play with people in pvt.
3. You need to evaluate how much effort ascended gear is really worth next time.
Yes, because we all knew this was going to happen. -_-
brb hiring a personal fortuneteller for next time.
What exactly DID happen? From what I’ve read, they are discussing this, and maybe will post some ideas next week. From what I saw with the pace of the changes to rangers, maybe a december 2014 patch will have this effect.
Nothing. I am simply saying that you cannot rationalize them making changes to the effectiveness of ascended gear based on ‘well you should have known, better remember next time’
Nobody ever even thought this was up for discussion. Now it is. And based on the track record for ‘balance’ patches, it never goes well so people have a right to be concerned especially since they have or are currently crafting their time gated gear sets.
What should not happen is that an entire stat combination gets nerfed because people are too busy feeling offended about players they don’t even have to play with.
^ It’s basically this. Zerker is not a problem. The problem is that other setups are not as viable and should be buffed.
The kick function has now been removed. Now when someone joins your party you must accommodate them and whichever build they decide to run. This is to create a better sense of community.
To leave a party formed using the LFG tool one must wait approximately 1 hour. This is to ensure that dungeons are completed within an appropriate time as has always been intended. This also ensures that anyone who thinks they can just ‘up and leave’ a party because they think it’s full of ‘bads’ will stop and have a serious think about why they are playing this game.
The use of ‘damage’ gear sets.
This has been a serious issue for us and we feel that ’damage gear sets fall into this category:
Any gear sets that have power or precision stats are considered damage sets
These gear sets were initially designed for people to try out as they leveled up and then to be discarded as they realized that survivability sets were clearly what was intended to be used in dungeons. This unfortunately is not the case and we have seen a rather large explosion of the populace take these gear sets into dungeons. We are very clear on this. This is an exploit. Damage sets, and in particular ‘Berserker’ will not be tolerated within the confines of dungeons.
Added a code that detects the use of berserker gear in dungeons and forwards this information along with all combat logs to an appropriate administrator.
Added Aetherblade mobs to every dungeon path. This is required so that living failure story can be incorporated into the one place that hardcores thought they could avoid it.
Added a new combat function. Whenever players come within a 100 radius of one another they receive a debuff called ‘stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself! Why are you hitting yourself!?’
This debuff will cause immediate knock back in a random direction followed by a prompt death. This is discourage the exploit of stacking before we have to take more drastic measures such as banning accounts.
Added a new NPC to every dungeon path. If this NPC dies, the dungeon will bug out be required to be restarted. This is a change required to create a more immersive atmosphere for the audience that dungeons were initially designed for: Roleplayers.
Added chuck the Bartender to every dungeon path. One must type ‘/emote Chuck, please fix my armor!’ to repair their gear. This npc replaces the pre existing repair anvils.
Removed Giganticus Lupicus from all paths of Arah. It has come to our attention that this boss fight does not come close to anything we outlined in out initial design manifesto. Furthermore, those who solo’d this boss are to recieve punishment for ‘exploiting’ as per our agreement with the lfg white knight kickers who have far more knowledge than us on who and who does not exploit along with how it is done.
This fight has now been replaced with an underwater combat area in which players will face off against an ancient underwater dredge car that spits out aetherblade mobs. Once these are all defeated the car will morph faster than a bad mesmer can moa form lupicus’s locusts. It’s final form will be that of a random Hotw end boss.
I replied to a similar thread with this as well. We are taking some steps towards shifting the meta in the near future. I suspect some concrete info will come out about this next week.
Jon
That’s great, maybe you should post this response in the dungeon forums. I think many people there should be made aware of this change.
Well, Anet doesn’t even care about speed-clear records to begin with. That why we set our own rules, including whether we consider something to be an exploit or not. This is something that should be up for discussion with all parties involved.
This should have been posted on GW2 General Discussion. Atleast it would have some exposure and seen by atleast a Dev or two before being closed/transfered to the Trashcan aka Dungeon forum that no one from Anet browses except for the moderators to gank our crying posts
Tried making a thread hoping for an ANet response and it just got thrown in here.
^^ And it’s worth mentioning that Guanglai Kangyi’s builds are good —just not as effective as the meta. His Guardian PUG build is probably better than Nemesis’ because it provides protection and might for the party and it’s just as easy to use: I am a build link
SrebX: if you’re looking for a Berserker build that’s easy to use Guanglai’s Hammer guide is a good place to start: I am a guide link
Wow dude my builds are way better than my meta crap i fite u irl and we see who still talking kitten after
You are amazing. This is possibly one of the best things I have ever quoted on these forums.
If you don’t like playing the game the way it is then I suggest staying to your own groups and not handicapping other people’s parties. No point crying about it because they didn’t design it the way you wanted and expecting everyone else to just deal with your selfish decisions.
So SE- soldiers weapon inscriptions and CM- Rabid/shaman weapon inscriptions will be more profitable than rares? Or it’s still better to go with light armor rares in these cases?
I’m not surprised. And chances are we will not be receiving any feedback on the matter. And if we ask for it well.. we all know what happens to those threads.
Obal has provided all that is required for dungeons in his build guide. This build= not even close. It serves one purpose: To lead less knowledgeable people into wasting their time and money on something subpar.
Here is one of his grateful customers from the necro thread.
You know what I hate, when I look for a good build for something, seems to make sense, go start building it, then find out its crap. Before I got better at guardian I bought into the knights AH build that was popularized via popular youtube contributer. Yeah, it worked for pugging and I never died ect, but my dmg was terrible and I dragged the team down. Same thing happened before I got better info on the hybrid/dps necromancer video. Didn’t know much about the class so I trusted a popular youtuber… Yeah, build was underwhelming in dungeons and I wasted a fair amount of gold and time (which is a bigger deal than gold) on crap gear.
The rise of elitist community is scary. They are very harmful to the rest of us with their efficient build setups min maxing. How long will it be before they force it on the rest of us when we join their clearly labelled lfg groups? What about us? The roleplayers, the casual players and the people who like a real challenge with actual fun builds. We are made fun of all the time. What will happen when we are marginalized and pushed out? Will their jokes about ‘play how you want’ be funny then? We are the lifeblood of this community.
It’s all about how hard you can gib yourself with poor builds and gear and still somehow painfully make it through. Sounds really fun. Like pulling teeth, one of my favorite past times.
So let’s get this straight, we’re in the wrong for wanting to efficiently kill bosses, but you deceiving tens of thousands of viewers in to thinking your trash builds are fine is perfectly ok?
Do you understand why I hate almost the entire game community?
Deceiving tens of thousands ?… I must be a really good deceiver then, thank you.
My builds are not trash, they do not perform as well as those designed for coordinated speed kill… only because speed kills are allowed. But then again… no condition build is viable, no support build is viable… no tank build is viable if you put it like that…
To Raven: I happen to have seen these cheats in actions, I haven even been offered to buy the information on how to skip bosses that are not meant to be skipped. I also know for a fact that soloing AC path 1 Hodgins burrow part is not doable, keeping a boss at 1% hp-while keeping people in check as they join making sure they pay, and even chatting with people while this is going is very unlikely. I have no doubt that there are players who can solo certain last bosses, but the things mentioned before is a little bit too impressive to be true.
As for Digital Kirin, hmm it is a pretty good point with a video-sadly I got no idea which program to use to record it.
I happen to have seen a person eat waffles once. Therefore it’s likely everybody eats waffles.
I will gladly respond to any constructive and polite replies, but as for people who will try to flame-or just blow some winds? Don’t expect me to respond ^^
I of course also hope to see a respond to A-net, but I know the chances.
Our community right now hold three main problems which can choke this game.
1# We are all selfish and mean, which scares away new players:
2# We are a bunch of whiners who can’t even play the game with out cheating, yet we call ourselves skillful-and act like we are higher beings.
Which is incredibly nonconstructive and disrespectful to anyone who disagrees with you, or really just the entire community in general. You yourself violated what you wanted in a conversation in your first post.
I can understand how a lot of you people, of course just want a quick run-get done fast with your grind(which you obtain through cheating the system, and not actual skill or playing the game-I do it myself so I’m not one to talk)
When I was new I didn’t expect to be carried. I busted out the wikipedia, the google, the youtubes. I crafted myself some rares, then I farmed myself some exotic gear doing faceroll easy CoF and CoE with a bunch of other scrubs which I added through using the lfg by myself. The shocking revelation that I could make my own party hit me like a guardian actually running a proper dps build.
We’re talking dungeon tokens here ladies and gentlefolk.
Each set of dungeon tokens- which is going to net you the most money per trade in?
eg. AC. Should I trade in for rares? no because they are not gonna give ectos at that level, so now we look at inscriptions/armor insignias, which ones fetch the most dough.
Shall give this a whirl tonight