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Back just to say, we need to keep this active so that next time they take something, and we are accused of not complaining(like we were last week about tafu), we can very clearly show that we are still fighting, trying, and being vocal.
Sadly all Anet would have to do is close the topic and delete it stating something close to “The discussion on this topic got too toxic therefore the post has been deleted.” Make it like it never happened.
You mean like they did in the general discussion one that was 15 pages and 800+ replies with around 11k views? =)
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Back just to say, we need to keep this active so that next time they take something, and we are accused of not complaining(like we were last week about tafu), we can very clearly show that we are still fighting, trying, and being vocal.
Unfortunately I think they are just learning that they can reset progression and take items away if:
1) It only affects hardcore players
2) It only affects the minority
3) It does not involve gems directly, only time, energy, and effort
In the future, they will push the limit of how big the minority can be. It’s clear from the people commenting here that the fractals minority is small enough that we don’t matter.
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When you say you are going to add more levels, is it going to be in November 2014 ?
Yes, I mean, it is an unlimited dungeon. In a sense. Once you reach the limit, you just get reset to do it again. Now THAT is truly unlimited.
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Still no comment by an anet developer? Why do I expect more?
You tell us to talk in one location so we argue/discuss/whine back and forth. We constantly ask for some sort of feedback or comment just to see if we are getting anywhere, and no response. Seems appropriate.
Considering the fact that they’ve been quiet about the issue ever since they released the information. Unwilling to give us any responses or get involved in any kind of discussion or suggestion with the communities involved about the topic. It all comes down to how much they care about the minority in this game. It’s all based around casual fractal players and general population that stayed away from fractals for this long. Trying to make it appealing to them, even at the cost of loosing the hardcore player base. Like it was said before, they’re trying to ignore the issue and wait for it to go away, while we fade in the background, forgotten yet again…
Unfortunately yes. I was in denial about this day 1, maybe day 2, but it’s becoming pretty apparent now.
However we should keep bringing it up because I don’t want it to be that easy to ignore the issues and let it fade.
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Could you perhaps explain why reset to 30 instead of 31? Instabilities start at scale 31.
Most likely due to the fact that they want an even number.
A better question would be why the Instabilities doesn’t start at lvl 30.
Or a better better question would be why the instabilities don’t start at lvl 50 or 80?
Or maybe the best questions is why would anybody decide to implement leaderboards and reset levels.
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As i said before as well, the whole point of the pvp is fighting with other players and winning. And as far as i know there was already a leaderboard – they just added titles thereafter. But people were already competing for the top spots.
And they did not reset pvp ranks when leaderboards came out.
You don’t even necessarily progress, in fractals.
You must have a different definition of “progress” than I do.
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ughh why did you necro this thread? For a second I got excited and actually thought the devs were coming back to this forum to post again.
Q_QIt deserves to be brought up again? Wouldn’t hurt the devs to be further reminded.
That would be true if anybody read this forum aside from modbot.
I thought Robert was back. I am now very sad =(
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Awarding a title now would be unfair to all the people who didn’t push on beyond the point where pushing on was pointless.
Lol. And we get called entitled.
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But don’t diss Anet for ever adding new content for “free”.
Thanks, good point. I guess I have to love all updates even if they reset progress. What if they are horrible updates?
progress you are refurring to is just a number till we actually see new content it really doesn’t mean anything
This whole game is “just a number”. Be respective of what others place value in.
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But don’t diss Anet for ever adding new content for “free”.
Thanks, good point. I guess I have to love all updates even if they reset progress. What if they are horrible updates?
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Ty for the replies, from both. Not being too familiar with warrior, I did not know #4 was a ‘ranged’ attack
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Is #4 sword more dps than axe auto? Would it be dps gain or loss?
Is riposte long enough to get you through AOE life drain in p3 after the first dodge on the raise?
Edit: I normally play on my mesmer. But once chuck quits messing around with wall I’m hoping to bring my war.
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it shouldnt start at 50 because 30-80 fractals were designed via algorithm. This made them kind of boring. lets be honest, gameplay wise, there isnt much difference between 28 and 41. between 42 and 48? The main difference is you want to get hit less. If you already learned how not to get hit very often at 36, not much more to learn at 48.
After 10+ it was all the same. Barely anything changed even then. So if that’s your reasoning then reset everybody to 10.
It’s still progression that I made (and others) that is being deleted. Either don’t or compensate.
This community is just really really sad. I’ll just go back to the dungeon forums where there are intelligent and caring people.
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I will tell you a secret. The decision is actually made by Anet developers, not some random Asura.
If you cant justify a reward in content of game you don’t disserve it and truly don’t know the content of fotm
Yeah weth! You don’t disserve it! Even though you got to 80 and have several videos soloing bosses that group of 5 people can’t handle, you don’t know the content of fotm!
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It’s weird seeing all of these different names, I’m used to only seeing dungeon regulars reply to posts :p.
Lol, I may or may not be on a second account because my first account may or may not be in a ‘banned’ state right now
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its something different, the devs never claimed it would be harder than level 80 content. Level 80 content wasnt meant to be accessed, and no longer exists. Its content meant for people who are in the range of 30-50, if you call that casual, then ok. If your real beef is you want content as hard as level 80 stuff, then your true desire has been obscured up to this point. I suggest you ask arena net to make more content that is mechanically more difficult. They may be considering it
But is that what all the players are screaming is the reason we shouldn’t start at 50? Because it’s new content we haven’t completed, and we’re “scared” we won’t be able to get back that high.
If we could start at 50 and it can be done the first day, then it’s a joke.
They don’t want people completeting lvl 50 the first day, so they add a time gate to already time gated completed material.
Anet can’t design difficult encounters so they add difficulty through time gating. Otherwise the majority of casual players would scream and complain.
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Life screws us over every day, that’s why we play video games.
Right, so I’d rather not get screwed over by the developers of a game I play as well.
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It would simply be pure axe. Axe/mace axe/warhorn, barely a change in dps. Guardians would be sword auto. Loss of gs wouldn’t be that bad, especially in an organized setting because now there’d be even more might from blast finishers.
I figured it would be axe/mace & axe/horn. But I thought the 100b and whirlwhind (against a wall) would be a significant lose in dps. Oh well.
How about melee weapons 50% less damage lol. Or it could be like the mesmer GS, you do more damage the further away you are.
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I would also like to opt out. I don’t want people to know my stats or know that I’m high level in fractals.
I’m curious, does anybody WANT the leaderboards or look forward to it? Why?
Im with you, and for your second part I have to ask also, why? I don’t understand the mentality to take the time and glance over some list of players I don’t know or care about? Why would I bother even looking up my own toons?
This is Anet game not mine, I just fail to see the purpose and use of resources for this.
Are people still interested in the PvP, achievement leaderboards at all? I think I checked those once after they came out and thought wow… I don’t care about any of this.
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The idea is not to alienate a majority of players so they don’t even bother with a zone at all or attempt it.
The idea is screw over the minority for the benefit of gems, I mean majority.
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Greatsword damage (does not apply to FGS) does 50% less damage. Bye wars/guards =).
I wonder if instabilities will apply to ranger pets. Could bearbows be the new meta?
That could be good actually. Bad warriors and guards could learn they shouldn’t be camping greatsword for dps in the first place. Would barely affect good warriors and guards though.
It would screw with warrior rotation. I don’t know what the new rotation would be though. 100b and whirlwind was a big part of the deeps.
As far as guardians go, I’m not very familiar with them.
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Bottom line is that new fractals will probably be really easy for scale 80 players and whole reset thing is just pointless slap in the face. We want challenge. Not some stupid grind.
All this time we have waited for challenge and now what? Grind to 50, figure out a hole in their system because they just can’t edit one line of code properly, grind to 80, notice that it’s not that hard and then get thrown back to 30 next year?
leaderboards lol
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Greatsword damage (does not apply to FGS) does 50% less damage. Bye wars/guards =).
I wonder if instabilities will apply to ranger pets. Could bearbows be the new meta?
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Time limit would be fun. If you time out you start that round over again (not the whole thing).
-> For who?This seems orientated to a hard core crowd – I cannot support this suggestion.
Often new zones are difficult and may take a while to figure out how to do it.
If you want to ‘time your run’ for bragging rights that’s fine.
For me, that’s why I said it would be fun.
OH NO! We CAN’T cater to the hardcore at all!! We MUST wipe their progress to cater towards the casual player every update.
This is why good players leave the game, and bad players stick around =(
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I see it now. fotm lv 50 for sale 20G
Lvl 50, LF1M, heavy only, Ping gear, 55 AR+, Be rank 500 or better.
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exploiters. of all kind. wish they would all be perma banned, but exploiting in gw2 is as normal as using skills is … kittened game
I will not defend anybody exploiting.
However the issue is that the line is incredibly fuzzy when it comes to what’s an exploit and what’s intended, when Anet is usually silent on these things.
Look at all the people that think stacking and LOS is an exploit.
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Add instabilities starting at 80.
Add instabilities starting at 50 and give compensation to those 50+
Give an option to opt out of leaderboards
Let us keep our levels. If we do 50 and finish it then it’s a joke update. If we fail multiple times, we will have to practice on lower levels anyway.
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Fractals lol
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The leaderboards would be pointless
they are
Not for me. I like comparing myself with others. Maybe that is why I got about 16k AP now.
And lot about the gaming the system. I never used macros or dual accounts. I even report all exploits and exploiters.
Cool, then they should add an option to opt out, like we are asking for.
I can opt out and keep my personal reward level of upper 40s because I don’t care about leaderboards, and you can compete starting at 30. Win-win-win
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Loved the trailer. If only the content was as good.
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and as avid rock climber i am sure there is a whole range of very interesting mountains that fall in each category, and are not strictly speaking harder than each other, but provide different challenges, if that is not the case, ok.
But it is in many sports, many disciplines, piano for example, art, etc.
I think its honestly better design if instabilities can give this type of teired challenge
Yes, the grades are subjective. a 5.10b is supposed to be harder than a 5.10a, however somebody who’s shorter might do better on the 5.10b if it’s more technical than reachy.
That was kinda the point I was making, is they group that up into intermediate, usually advance is 5.11a and above. Resetting us to 30 is like forcing us to start at intermediate rather than advance. If they start at 50, that’s like me doing the hardest route in the gym or on the wall, lets say 5.14b, then going lower and lower until I can find one I could climb, like a 5.11a.
I kknow it’s a really far stretch and complicated analogy, but it does fit. If 45 to 50 can be done on the first day, then it’s horrible design and a failed patch (not just adding another time gate to an already completed time gate)
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I can see no one really agrees with me. I’ll leave this thread now. ^.^
Bye bye everyone!
Time limit would be fun. If you time out you start that round over again (not the whole thing).
Or maybe a time limit on each part. For instance on cliffside they put a check limit in certain areas, that all 5 players have to cross. 3 minutes to do the first two seals, 2 minutes to run to the next, 6 minutes to do the torso, 2 to run to next part, 10 minutes on the hand seal, 2 to next, then 6 minutes on boss.
Numbers are completely made up, but you get the idea.
Completely off topic. But no, they shouldn’t be limited to 15 min
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Another one that bothers me is people who get a precursor as a drop and than ping it in party chat. That is an automatic group kick if you do that in a group with me. Like who the heck do you think you are? I had to buy my precursor so my spitefulness won’t allow me to be happy for you.
Ridiculous
I’m glad you weren’t in my TA group when Malrona gave me Storm the other day…. You woulda kicked the instance owner!
Granted they all thought I was trolling.
Edit for clarification: I rubbed it in everyone’s face
If that was at me, I was saying it’s ridiculous he would do that. People need to learn to be compassionate for other people (whole fotm level reset is exactly what I mean).
If that was at him…. YEAH!
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Total casual back then.
casual back then.
back then.
Hmmmmm
:)
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Another one that bothers me is people who get a precursor as a drop and than ping it in party chat. That is an automatic group kick if you do that in a group with me. Like who the heck do you think you are? I had to buy my precursor so my spitefulness won’t allow me to be happy for you.
Ridiculous
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told you, its not a good idea, because you havent completed all challenges
So? If the hardest challenge is easier than the easier challenge than horrible design.
leaderboards suck
Agreed
To add to this, I’m an avid rock climber.
In rock climbing and bouldering competitions, there are beginner levels, intermediate levels, and advance levels.
When I enter a competition, I can choose to go at beginner, intermediate, or advance. If I pick beginner and fly through all the problems, they bump me up to intermediate.
If I enter as advance, and I suck and fail, I go do intermediate problems.
They don’t force me to start at beginner and work my way up. If I can’t do the advance, then I need to start low and practice.
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told you, its not a good idea, because you havent completed all challenges
So? If the hardest challenge is easier than the easier challenge than horrible design.
leaderboards suck
Agreed
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1. Your account name.number can easily be gathered. In fact under your argument you should stop using the public forums right now because it is public and someone can gather information about your account to hack you. I think that is just silly.
If people can see who is high level, those people can be subject to constant PMs asking for help.
If a lvl 30 wants to do lvl 50, all they have to do is wait two weeks, then PM a bunch of people on the list level 50 and ask to join their group, completely destroying the point of the reset that is “forcing us to earn our rank” in the new content.
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The leaderboards would be pointless
they are
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Let leaderboards be based off of highest rank done.
If the top level players go into 50, and finish it the first day, then the content is a joke and unnecessary reset. If they fail 50 and have to start at 38, 40 whatever to practice and work their way up, then they will. No reason in unnessarily resetting levels.
*Credit to Weth
Nobody? Too good of an idea?
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More importantly, what happens if the new content is significantly more difficult to complete than it ever was before because of the new mechanic.
Should people be recognized for completing inferior content?
I keep hearing this over and over again. Even though the devs specifically said that it will be easier to get to level 50 than it was before because of balances and tweaks that they’ve implemented into the new fractals. Don’t kid yourself that it’ll be harder and what not. Easier doesn’t mean maybe it will be easier, maybe it will be harder. It mean’s easier.
Let leaderboards be based off of highest rank done.
If the top level players go into 50, and finish it the first day, then the content is a joke and unnecessary reset. If they fail 50 and have to start at 38, 40 whatever to practice and work their way up, then they will. No reason in unnessarily resetting levels.
*Credit to Weth
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Anet has stated reset is due to leaderboards so people start equal.
This being the case, then all levels should be reverted to 1.
More people would be upset. Because YOU aren’t affected, you are calling us entitled. This community has gotten worse and worse because Anet continues to drive away the people who care.
This update enhances my point.
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LOL @ Speedruns not being intended.
Obviously this is a waste of time. This community should stand up for others. It’s not very much of a community at all.
You make me sad, so be it.
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I’m not really concerned about the length, just the issues that cause the length.
Dredge would be fine at 30 minutes, if it didn’t involve attacking dredge as they magically pop out of an empty clown car for 15 minutes on end, delayed by invulnerability per spawn.
Harpies would be fine if they didn’t have 4000 range and went invulnerable when you make one mistake.
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And it is a bad example to start with. You could say the same for every unintended behaviour.
But they DID add a hard cap at 80. So why not add it at 50 if that was the true cap?
It’s like if they added an invisble wall to the boat skip on the right side, but not the left side.
You would assume that you could still jump on the boat on the left, just not on the right.
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I’ll switch the phrase “value” with a more technically correct “buying power”
Fractal levels have never had buying power of any sort. Does that make more sense?
Equity
I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
“eq·ui·ty
[ek-wi-tee]
noun, plural eq·ui·ties.
1.
the quality of being fair or impartial; fairness; impartiality: the equity of Solomon. Synonyms: disinterest, equitableness, impartiality, fair-mindedness, fairness, justness, evenhandedness, objectivity; justice, probity. Antonyms: bias, discrimination, inequity, injustice, partiality, partisanship, prejudice, unfairness, unreasonableness; injustice.
5. Informal. ownership, especially when considered as the right to share in future profits or appreciation in value. "
Yup
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I’ll switch the phrase “value” with a more technically correct “buying power”
Fractal levels have never had buying power of any sort. Does that make more sense?
Equity
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My personal level is 39 and I’ve done up to 48s with some friends.
Ah, so you’re losing 9 levels. Got it. Thanks. All I needed to know
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How can you compare an actual monetary unit, used to pay for travel, repairs, equipment and materials, to a level in a minigame that can’t be used for anything of value?
Because gold is a bad design, and platinum is the answer to all those people complaining they don’t have gold.
It doesn’t matter, because that gold is being deleted, so you don’t deserve it. Platinum will be incredibly better, so just move on and stop putting value in your obsolete gold.
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