Run optimal builds, play well, struggle without wiping constantly.
No complaints.
You are new to the internetz, right? If they do that people will complain about the need of “hardcore” or optimal groups, it’s a known fact that devs can’t win.
Spoiler Alert: Fractals was aimed at hardcore players.
Unfortunately I couldn’t watch. Did they tell or show if the instability is random, or if it’s set per level.
As in, do enemies always explode on 31? or is there a revolving set of instabilities, so sometimes they may explode on 31, or sometimes it may be a different instability?
Two people who know to kite the gravelings to the fire quickly, will hold the aggro, and easily kill them off.
If there are more people, they can’t control the aggro. The gravelings will now pile up, not die in the fire, and by the time the 3 pugs are dead you will now have 20 gravelings instead of 4/5
Sounds more like a issue of not knowing where to stand, rather than anything to do with builds or skill. If you fight the boss along the western wall (particularly in the NW corner) there is essentially zero chance of that many gravelings making it to the spot of the fight. I don’t think I’ve had a single group wipe on AC1 since I started to tell my party to fight in that corner and ping the spot on the minimap. Seems crazy to hear that someone wiped eight times in a row.
You introduce aspects outside of the conversation. The question was why was it easier to kill with 2 rather than 5 people, I explained a possible situation in which killing with two would be easier than 5.
There are many situations like this. Spider queen. If only 2 people know to stay stacked in the corner, those 3 will kill the group. If it’s just two people, it may take longer, but will not wipe.
They addressed the equity lost with a canned: Nope. They explained this before. “New system with the instabilities, they did not think it was right for everyone to start at 50”. No point in rehashing this issue.
I am on the minority here, I thought that one instability, Enemies explode when they die, looked super fun.
The Aetherblade retreat fractal looked fun to me. I forsee lots of cursing, and also lots of great players just crushing it. It will be an all or nothing kind of thing.
I am actually interested in knowing what all the instabilities are!
You are not the minority with that aspect. I am excited for the challenge and to see the instabilities.
However, our levels should not be reset. Plain and simple.
Well just wanted some answers but instead some wanna be Forum Police came here telling me what I shouldn’t do and got buttt hurt by a single post.At least one person gave an honest reply of what i was asking.
Cheers
P.S
You Forum Police should check out the the Norn Forum ppl are complaining that Male norns are to slow and need a new body.Maybe u guys can tell them to stop making post about it to.
There was actually only one person that commented about that.
But you are at the front of the line…it sounds like you are specifically miffed that, even though you are at the front of the line, that people who didn’t work as hard are also at the front of the line. That’s a personal problem, not a problem with the design. Yes, they are on the same page, but they missed out on 50 levels of FoTM drops that you got to enjoy. You maintain that equity in the form of skins, gear, gold, etc, that you’ve obtained, not to mention being probably 10x better at FoTM than pretty much anyone else.
The ones that didn’t work as hard do not have any of that to show. I get that you feel short-changed, that your hard work is not being recognized, but to be completely candid, your hard work was never recognized. No one knows what your Personal Reward level is or was, and nobody cares.
They’ve revamped the rewards for the new 30+, so for all you know FoTM80 drops will be in line with FoTM30 drops and FoTM50 drops will far exceed the old FoTM80 drops. You simply don’t know and it’s all RNG anyway so it makes no difference.
I appreciate you being reasonable. Although I disagree with you, I can’t really say you’re wrong, just a difference of opinions.
However, do keep in mind that we already completed one time gate to get to 50, in which now we have to double up and complete another time gate to get back to 50.
I could keep my level. If I go try to do 49/50 and succeed, well resetting me is silly since it’s just another time gate, no skill needed.
If I fail, then I’ll have to start lower, say 41, 42, and practice, working my way up. Which would also make the reset unnecssary since I have to practice anyway.
Difficulty 51-80 is not intended to be unlocked at the moment, Jade Maw’s agony kills instantly at 50+. However, some players unlocked these levels before that blockade was implemented and are still able to open them. Odd difficulties can be completed (including potential level progression for other players), but reward the same as the lower tier.
Wiki is not a reliable source. If it’s not intended they should have just put the hard cap at 51, not 81.
I think ANET reset everyone 30+ to 30 for two reasons:
1. To ensure there is a bigger chunk of population to play the new content
2. To reduce forum tears from failing at Mai Trinn at higher level fractals
Everybody seems to claim to know what the developers intended. Some have even gone as far as saying the developers did not intend for everybody to melee bosses.
Anet has said they are resetting levels due to leaderboards. Until one claims a different reason, this is all we have to go on. Otherwise we are arguing about assumptions.
In AC p1, we (a pug team) failed on howling king like 5 times. Someone left, i invited a guildie. Three more attempts, all failing. I’m telling the three pugs to stay out of fight and they leave the dungeon. Duo’ing the boss first attempt.
If you could duo the boss, why couldn’t you defeat it with the three pugs in the fight? I’m not sure how their inclusion (and apparent deaths) would make it harder for you and your guildmate.
Two people who know to kite the gravelings to the fire quickly, will hold the aggro, and easily kill them off.
If there are more people, they can’t control the aggro. The gravelings will now pile up, not die in the fire, and by the time the 3 pugs are dead you will now have 20 gravelings instead of 4/5
The soft cap on AR is level 50. Therefore you weren’t intended, by game mechanics, to go beyond 50, yet. Rather than losing 50 levels you should only be getting set back 20 levels, less than half all the levels you should have achieved. That shouldn’t be that big a deal.
Soft cap could have been hard cap if we weren’t supposed to go past that.
You can have unlimited levels. Don’t have a cap. Make it so hard and impossible that nobody can get past it. As soon as somebody completes it, open up 10 more levels. Not that hard really.
We expected more levels after an update (some waiitng at 50, some waiting at 80). Not to be reset to 30 because the devs made a mistake and chose to take it out on the playerbase.
Your expectations fell short. In my opinion that’s your fault for having expectations. I’m probably jaded because I main a Ranger, but I still know better than to have expectations where ANet is concerned.
The reality, though, is that ANet is not beholden to you. Nor is it their responsibility to uphold your expectations, nor mine. They chose a different path, and it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks of that path, nor right nor wrong. All that matters is that ANet chose that path and is following it. Everyone else can either get in line, or not, but no one is getting any more than that.
The soft cap on AR is level 50. Therefore you weren’t intended, by game mechanics, to go beyond 50, yet. Rather than losing 50 levels you should only be getting set back 20 levels, less than half all the levels you should have achieved. That shouldn’t be that big a deal.
Soft cap could have been hard cap if we weren’t supposed to go past that.
You can have unlimited levels. Don’t have a cap. Make it so hard and impossible that nobody can get past it. As soon as somebody completes it, open up 10 more levels. Not that hard really.
We expected more levels after an update (some waiitng at 50, some waiting at 80). Not to be reset to 30 because the devs made a mistake and chose to take it out on the playerbase.
Why, WHY do people assume support team=cleric? This is getting on my nerves. Care to explain?!?
E: what the hell, I read things like “selfish dps builds” and “play how I want support builds”; since when is playing berserker a synonym of selfish?
Its not that zerk=selfish its that when people play this zerk builds they don’t think to bring utilities and traits that buff their party.
Just wait till after this update. You’ll see a 5 signet warrior, when you ask why, he’ll just ping his 6/6 rune of resistance.
It is actually common knowledge that no exploits are necessary to do 50+
Carrot. Stick.
Is that supposed to mean something? That expression that you are using incorrectly is meant to discuss a reward that is never able to be reached, in order to get the subject to do something.
I’m not sure how getting to 80 by exploiting is a common misconception has anything to do with this expression.
If you actually took the time to read my post properly you would have read the bit were I mentioned the patch is coming weather you like it or not. so you can
a.) be optimistic and try and enjoy the patch.
Carrot.
b.) or be pessimistic and not enjoy it.
Stick.
Yeah…. no. Still incorrect usage. As against, it’s referring to the method in which you get somebody to do something. You either offer a reward or punishment.
Im not sure why are people against rewarding the players that took their time and got to lvl 80. Noone loses anything if someone gets a reward for their effort and some don’t becuase they didn’t bother playing as much fractals.
Even if arena warned months in advance there would be a reward for getting to 80 before the reset, i doubt many more players would do it just because there is no fair reward for grinding some of the most buggiest and not rewarding content ingame.
(a bit related)
Some time ago in pvp section, there was a post about ranks being farmed up and players feared that would get a reset aswell so everyone would lose ranks, eighter farmed or just earned over time.
The dev responded with basicaly “Arena would never take away something players have worked for”, which might just happen here.
Hahaha. That’s awesome. I’m tempted to go look for it now.
It’s funny you mention that TPMN. I’ve told several people in my guild about it because I’m pretty upset. It’s always funny (maybe sad is a better word) how people reply:
<30 fotm lvl: Oh. That’s cool. Well, maybe I’ll play it a bit… 5min later in guild chat LFG fotm 1-9.
>30 fotm lvl: What? Are you serious? No way. They can’t do that! You can’t just reset my levels!
Ive never seen a meditation guard in pve. Standard zerk builds dont use them except for the situational judges intervention. Pretty sure the meta dps builds support more than your build.
People don’t understand that 5 dps selfish builds is incredibly fast and easy compared to 5 support builds (play as you want).
The issue is when you get 2 dps selfish builds and 3 play as you want, as it becomes harder to take down the boss and there is more room for mistakes. The dps ones go down and get tired of dying, so they switch to defensive builds, and the 3 play as you want blame them for dying.
I know I’m preaching to the choir, just discussing =)
Actually, i wouldn’t have any problem in doing that. But as the other solution i talked off – putting those titles and achievements and postpone the fractal patch for some months, so that the people interested in the rewards have enough time to put in effort and gain them – it is unfeasible. As they should change quite a bit about the scaling of the new content, and this isn’t something they can do in a day, and either a week (the amount of time since we know about the patch).
Then we agree they could, and should, have started it at 50? or 80?
Surely adding dredge must be an office joke of theirs. It must be!
I think original Story of the Dredge was at follows:
dev 1: kitten those ppl are Progressin to fast and there is nooo way to stop em!
dev 2: chill out I have the perfect plan!
dev 1: what I tried all mechanics and challenging things I head in my mind to stop em
dev 2: You can’t stop em with challenges but you might be able to stop em with boredom
dev 1: How would you do that?
dev 2: set_dredgecardredges_to(9001)
dev 1: Genius!
Dev2: Your plan didn’t work! They got to 80!
Dev 1: Ah, just reset them. Leaderboards, amiright?
B) I need help with the time lost argument: how did you lose time exactly? You played X hours of X dungeon and got X rewards over the course of that time. So, what did you lose? You basically farmed mini dungeons over and over for gear, skins, mats, gold, experience playing the game, fun, etc. etc. If they took every bit of reward you had obtained from FoTM that’s one thing, but you want to be compensated for hours playing something that has already yielded you compensation in the form of money, gear, skins? Are you telling me, us, that the ONLY reason you did FoTM was for that little number in the upper right corner that only you can see?
It has long been understood and agreed upon that fractals is one of the worst pve content for time/effort vs reward.
We were promised unlimited dungeons with increasing rewards. I spent time, energy, and effort going through the current content, so that I would be in front of the line for when (if) new content came out.
I now have to go through a 2nd time gate (not skill gate) to obtain the best rewards. Somebody that did less work and spent less time in the same content is now on the same page.
Equity.
Not to mention the challenge aspect. Fractals has been considered the hardest PvE content by some people. If I can do level 50 instability on day one, well then it’s a pretty bad fail.
And what makes you so sure they haven’t already done so?
And what makes you so sure they have done it? Seeing dev streams I can say with 100% confidence that they have not done it. Ever. Can you? Occam’s razor.
=)
If they did, this converstion would never have happened:
Dev 1: How should we make dredge more challenging?
Dev 2: Add more re spawning dredge
Dev 1: Brilliant. The players will love it.
Mh, sorry, but i effectively inverted odd and even. English isn’t my first language, unfortunately, but i admit this may have caused some confusion.
Albeit, someone understood what i was asking anyway, despite the confusion.
Sorry again.
Apology accepted. I thought you were just being difficult to mess with me =).
Yesterday…. In a fractal 48…. I killed baron Von scrufflebutt from downed and I didn’t rally, ( I hit him about 8 times with 1 and 2 times with 3 so…. Yeah) but it was able to give the rest of the team enough gumption to finish the other bots in time for me to bandage myself up….
….I think I was the only zerker, though… I didn’t support my team enough.
Was this our run? If so, I was definitely full zerk, always am =).
I think there were 3 of us that didn’t rally off of Baron von Scrufflebutt (I think it’s cuz I called him scrufflebutt on mumble, and didn’t address him by his full title)
But then we rallied off of Professor Mew (Probably teaches at University of pheonix) so I’m not sure what that was about.
However, the difference is, I wouldn’t argue with you if you wanted compensation for the time spent doing something, that will now be given to everybody. It would not affect me, so it would be silly of me to tell you you don’t deserve something you want while I would be unaffected.
That is exactly the point a lot of people is trying to bring up in here while constantly being shot down by other as if they do not deserve the right to fight for something they clearly deserve. I couldn’t put it any better. +1
Thanks =). I actually had somebody early ask “Why should I give you a reward?” Lol. I had to walk away from the computer after that.
You know why people don’t want instabilities at 50? Because they don’t want to grind 30 to 50, but they don’t want us to receive compensation for doing that work for nothing.
Like I’ve said 1000 times, that majority being catered to will do it for two weeks then participate in the next LS content, so the anet team can go back to ignoring fotm for a year.
Even if all of that is true, the number of hours that the new contents will get played in that two weeks will be several orders of magnitude bigger than the number of hours that would be played at the current high-levels, ever, if no change was being made.
Assuming this baseless assumption is actually true, this still shows nothing. If people liked fractals they would play it. Instabilities will probably only make it more challenging. They are hurting the people who enjoy it, to please those that don’t who will just leave two weeks after.
Did anybody play the gauntlet for fun? How many people did that to challenge themselves? very few as far as I know. Mainly just farmed deadeye.
I don’t like the leaderboards. Silly implementation and I don’t see the point.
Considering we don’t know absolutely anything about said leaderboards apart from the fact they exist, it seems a bit early to bash’em already for their implementation.
At least let’s see the livestream to decide upon that.
I know that I have no interest in comparing myself to others. I know that Anet has stated that is the reason that they are resetting levels.
I don’t see any way they could make it so I cared about leaderboards, especially for the sake of resetting my progress.
You didn’t answer my question at all, actually – i never asked how to progress over level 50, just how to beat that specific level in the current fractals. But well, no problem, and we’re also OT, so i will end here.
People seem to go report happy when they don’t agree with what you are saying, and can’t come up with good counter arguments.
This is what I propose:
1) Instabilities start at 50.
2) People at 50+ get to keep their levels. If they fail on 80 the first day, that’s a good thing. They need to practice and develop the skills. If they complete it, then they should get to stay there, since it is not a skill cap, only a time gate that has already been completed.
3) Give an option to opt out of leaderboards.
I guess it would have to be 70 though since they only have 20 instabilities (maybe, I’m guessing)
I don’t like the leaderboards. Silly implementation and I don’t see the point.
I especially don’t like my levels being reset because of it.
Instabilities should start at 50 in my opinion. The 80s should not be reset, and they should be allowed to try 80 on day 1. If they can’t do it, good, they have a challenge. If they can, well then they should be able to instantly skip to the end, since it’s a time gate and not a skill gate.
All around it’s silly implementation that caters to the casual player.
I’m still waiting to know how can i beat level 50 and any odd one after that, since i get instakilled if i try doing that now. Strangely, no one replies when i ask that. Even in the other thread, it got ignored.
Just because you do not know how to do it, does not mean that others cheated.
Dunno, but neither this is an answer. And no one wants to answer, it would seem.
I’m not going to cover strategies, because I really don’t want to get into a conversation about what is and isn’t an exploit.
When fotm first came out, it was possible to go 50+. People did. Anet changed the agony attack, so now people can open an odd level 50+ and play with people who are under that level.
So to answer your question, party with somebody that is above 50 and ask them to pick an odd level. Dodge agony attacks.
Unfortunately the change doesn’t apply to items that have already been acquired. Ultimately that’s what I wanted but there was a pretty severe technical limitation on this, so we thought it would be better to make the newly items work this way rather than postpone the conversion any longer.
Also, at higher Fractal levels the weapon skins become more common, and also start dropping in a container that lets you pick the one you want.
That’s cool. But two things:
1) Since gathering tools received gem compensation when it was switched to account bound, will we receive gem compensation for the amount we spent on crystals to transmute them?
2) When the tools became account bound, I could take my old soulbound ones to a vendor to trade in for an account bound version. Why can this system not be implemented for old fractal skins?
@JMar, I know… My post was merely a troll. I’m very well aware of people having levelled legit. Don’t worry! ;-) And even, I strongly believe that any person levelling through odd-numbered fractals is legit.
Haha, my bad. With how honestly some people say the crazy stuff they say in these forums, it’s hard to pick up on the sarcasm sometimes =)
I’m still waiting to know how can i beat level 50 and any odd one after that, since i get instakilled if i try doing that now. Strangely, no one replies when i ask that. Even in the other thread, it got ignored.
Just because you do not know how to do it, does not mean that others cheated.
Or a better better question would be why the instabilities don’t start at lvl 50 or 80?
´Because designing content that the vast majority of the playerbase will never be able see is stupid?
Because erasing progress and content that the minority enjoyed because it was challenging to appease the majority is stupid?
Like I’ve said 1000 times, that majority being catered to will do it for two weeks then participate in the next LS content, so the anet team can go back to ignoring fotm for a year.
Also, if it isn’t clear enough, i’m getting hit quite a bit from the account bound level; the difference is that i’m not asking for anything in return, cause i already knew i wouldn’t get anything when i levelled multiple chars.
Fotm level becoming account bound was something that I saw people asking for a lot.
I never saw resetting levels to 30 asked for.
However, the difference is, I wouldn’t argue with you if you wanted compensation for the time spent doing something, that will now be given to everybody. It would not affect me, so it would be silly of me to tell you you don’t deserve something you want while I would be unaffected.
I didn’t support my team enough.