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greatsword guardian and 2h sword warrior
Greatsword = 2h sword
however on a fight like that one i wont bother getting my sword out ill just take my rifle or my scepter and bombard it, a small loss in dps
Define ‘small’
if anything ill deal him more dps while not having to constantly dodge out or run away from him then the other guy having to constantly retreat in and out
I was wondering why all the speedruns are ranged. Good point.
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Did I say pug? Did I say pro? Did I say no problems? In fact, I did account for numerous mistakes and hangups. The times I listed were actually my best times at those specific segments. It’s rare to get a perfect run in, but it averages out to around 30-40 minutes…50 for a pug. Though I do like how you knocked it down to 20 minutes AND pugs.
50 minutes is pretty ridiculous for 1/4 of a dungeon
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How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?
That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.
They shouldn’t have? That was the only possible outcome, according to some people in this forum.
A coin can only land on heads. Obviously.
Unless we discuss alternate realities of course.
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How is the reset of the levels “increasing the grind”?
We already went through a time gate to get to 50/80. We now have to go through another time gate to get back to 50. People who didn’t go through the first one, are on the same level as those that did.
Also, I had to do level 30 last night, which felt exactly the same as the last time I got 30, even had swamp>Urban>Shaman
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There’s already a long thread on this, not to mention that one seems rather pointless.
I voted for Evon and I am happy with this fractal. I even like Scarlet (seems like a crime on these forums lol).
Shun the non-believer!
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This has already been posted. This is a pretty bad oversight on Anet’s side.
However, I believe you just have to do it again and hope you don’t get her in the round.
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Yes, because with 100% certainty, without a doubt, I can claim how much better non-existent content would have been.
“I’m the law around here, and the law is stretched pretty thin.”
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This happens so many times. A few days ago, we 4 manned a path until lupicus, then spun the pug roulette. “Berserker gear, melee everything, no ranging. Ranging = kick”
A guardian joins and asks why we’d threaten to kick him if he ranges. Then we all explain things and ask him to melee about 2-3 times on lupicus. He comes into melee…
…with staff/scepter! We laughed, finished the fight and carried him through for the rest of the run. At least he listened and the rest of the path went alright. That was my good gw2 deed of the day.
Becoming more mellow are ya Emanuel? Don’t tell me the holiday season has made your posting and arah runs soft!?
Agreed. This isn’t a good deed. You’re an enabler =)
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I didn’t know there were enough shards to do that! did they decrease how many are needed to kill it?
Tentacles bring the life down as well. It’s possible this group just killed tentacles while waiting for the 5th person.
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I play because fractals are fun. Although I also have “wants”, like the drops, achivs, some g, or fractal levels.
Honestly, I think ppl play for a bit of both. Fun + other goals.
I wish more people on the forums realized these two are not mutually exclusive.
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Yes it’s a waste. Your level will be reset next year.
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It’s the same thing. The possibility of you getting it was zero. They could do it, but they would not. It amounts to the same thing.
Wrong again! What a surprise.
Improbable =/= impossible.
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I like 41, Playing favorites: Untargeted enemies take half damage.
As a mesmer who is frustrated by constantly losing target, I target absolutely everything I fight.
However, dredge, grawl, and cliffside will definitely suck with this.
I get bored, so I’m constantly sitting there spamming tab-1-tab-1-tab-1-tab-1 when I fight trash. Wonder how the instability reacts to that
Good point. I wonder if they mean actually placing a target on somebody, or just who you have selected. I assumed it was ctrl+t targeting.
If it’s who you have selected, then that’s poor phrasing.
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necro here, i always play with a support build, i need to in order to make my build work on the most effective way.
i wish ppl stop underestimating my build, i can do more on my own then most can do in a group of 3.
Yeah!
My cleric bear bow can take lupi better than those 5 dps zerkers. I is underestimate too much.
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I agree that it would be better if every one would kill respawning dredge to actually control the amount of them, but not all groups can muster that damage, the amount of time I see 4 people doing less damage then 1x berserker warrior is uncanny. 3k auto attacks from berserk, 500 auto attacks from power/toughness/vitality. Not all groups able to clear them.
You just have to know the mechanic.
I believe (as I watched the video a bit ago) there is a group that resets based on time, then there are groups that spawn based on how many bombs hit the door. I believe a group spawns every 2 bombs. So the strategy I saw was to do 3 bombs, kill the spawns, then drop the last 4 quickly (total of 7 takes the door down)
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Yes, and yes. I agree and said as much, they fully had the ability. I have no doubt what so ever that just about any programmer in the company could throw together a title, link it to people who had fractal level whatever and implement it in at least an hour.
My stance simply was that they have shown consistently that this is not how they operate and despite their ability to do it and the uproar that they should, they would not. They have a way they operate, and that’s not within their design.
That’s a more understandable approach, even though I still disagree with it, I can’t say you are wrong.
Early you said it was not possible, in which case you were wrong.
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Degree examples
This is actually still a very good example. My fiance and I went to the same college. One year before she graduated, they decided to switch from quarters to semesters.
Even though content and material changed due to this, she kept all her quarter credit, and finished up with semesters.
The university did not “reset her progress” back to freshman or sophomore year.
Did the actual content that they were teaching change just because they switched, and did the requirements for the degree retroactively change? Both of those things can be said to have occurred where the fractals are concerned.
Yes
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In what alternate reality does the word was indicate the future? You’re still being short sited.
I refuse to read your walls of texts anymore due to how erroneous you are.
If I said “This coin was never going to land on tails, ever, period” because it landed on heads. Well, that’s obviously wrong.
Agreed, and also irrelevant. The decisions of a company on how to deal with their customers, and the rate at which they are willing to push those decisions through have nothing in common with flipping a coin.
However the concerns of the customers will affect a good company’s decisions.
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In what alternate reality does the word was indicate the future? You’re still being short sited.
I refuse to read your walls of texts anymore due to how erroneous you are.
If I said “This coin was never going to land on tails, ever, period” because it landed on heads. Well, that’s obviously wrong.
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Degree examples
This is actually still a very good example. My fiance and I went to the same college. One year before she graduated, they decided to switch from quarters to semesters.
Even though content and material changed due to this, she kept all her quarter credit, and finished up with semesters.
The university did not “reset her progress” back to freshman or sophomore year.
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Btw guys, I think this explains all we need to know about kal
My Fractal level is 5. That’s nothing at all. I typically run level 2, though, because I PUG and that’s what I get. I don’t want to do stuff with Agony since I have no resistance yet.
That’s not really fair, he is allowed his opinion…regardless of fractal level. It is true that he might not have the investment in time as some of us, but he is still welcome in the discussion. Nobody should be excluded and he could just have easily said his Fractal level was 50, we would not be able to verify, so I applaud his honesty.
He would be unaffected by the changes. He can have his opinion, I never said he couldn’t. But I think it’s worth noting most/almost all of the people arguing against compensation wouldn’t receive it anyway.
this doesnt make their opinions less valid. It just gives you the context. I will say though that the context of someone who barely plays fractals versus someone who does it a lot is going to be pretty different
Yes and no, sometimes an opinion is more valid. I’m not saying either way in this case.
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They are happy to fix bugs that assist the player while brushing bugs that hurt the player off for ‘later’ updates.
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Btw guys, I think this explains all we need to know about kal
My Fractal level is 5. That’s nothing at all. I typically run level 2, though, because I PUG and that’s what I get. I don’t want to do stuff with Agony since I have no resistance yet.
That’s not really fair, he is allowed his opinion…regardless of fractal level. It is true that he might not have the investment in time as some of us, but he is still welcome in the discussion. Nobody should be excluded and he could just have easily said his Fractal level was 50, we would not be able to verify, so I applaud his honesty.
He would be unaffected by the changes. He can have his opinion, I never said he couldn’t. But I think it’s worth noting most/almost all of the people arguing against compensation wouldn’t receive it anyway.
Throughout this thread, the strongest supporters FOR the reset have been under level 40. Most of them under 30. IIRC, there was one person who was lvl 39 who didn’t really care either way.
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None of this changes the fact that you were never going to be compensated for this by the time Fractured came out, and that the likelihood of you ever being compensated diminishes daily.
That’s the problem. Compensation given was never going to happen. Never. Period. You chose not to see the truth of that, but it is a reality. The only actually legitimate outcome in all this was 1) No compensation given. You can and have disagreed about this, but it is a fact and always has been.
Pretty inconsistent arguments.
In what alternate reality is compensation never ever going to happen, period, but the likelihood diminishes daily?
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Btw guys, I think this explains all we need to know about kal
My Fractal level is 5. That’s nothing at all. I typically run level 2, though, because I PUG and that’s what I get. I don’t want to do stuff with Agony since I have no resistance yet.
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I don’t think “It was impossible, and won’t happen,” is any such admission. I’m not wrong, I know I’m not wrong because the only situation in which I would be wrong is actually the one where you got it. You didn’t, I’m not wrong.
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Just because something didn’t happen doesn’t make it impossible. I’ll start with a very easy example.
You flip a coin. It lands on heads. You seem to argue that you knew it was going to be heads the whole time, and it was impossible to be tails because it didn’t happen. You are wrong, there was, roughly, a 50% chance for it to be tails.
Lets extrapolate that example even further. You flip a coin, I could argue that it is possible to land on the edge of the coin, neither falling to tails nor heads. You would say it’s impossible. But you would be wrong, just like this example, because improbable =/= impossible.
I should bring back my logic is hard signature.
Studying the TOS was an answer to your question about your sig
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But don’t let that keep you from the denial. As an Evon supporter, it’s pure entertainment.
I won’t. As somebody who doesn’t care, it’s actually pure entertainment.
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If we don’t let the thread die we can show we haven’t let it go. Is that okay with you kal? Is it okay if we keep trying?
I’ll take hopeful optimism over dreadful pessimism any day. I say we have two choices:
1) Keep voicing our concerns/issues until this thread gets a response or it’s closed.
2) Give up and stop trying.
One is easy while one takes time and energy, however some people don’t understand the value of time and energy it seems.
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In a world of unlimited possibilities, you could, but you still won’t because that’s not how it works. Wishful thinking does not impact the decision making process. The decision was made before anyone ever brought it up here, and that wasn’t going to change. The question will also disappear before they ever need to be concerned with it. If you’re not looking in terms of months your view is too narrow. It was impossible, and it won’t happen.
…why is my sig not displaying…
So then we agree you’re wrong, and that it was possible, good.
My guess is you haven’t studied the TOS enough.
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I’d take a CoE precursor over more GW1 retcons any day of the week.
I’d take gw1 lore over any lore gw2 related any day. While gw1 lore and story telling aren’t premium, its way better than anything in gw2 at this time.
GW2 feels like a saturday morning cartoon, maybe a bit like Scooby Doo.
So then why would you want the gw2 team to write gw1 lore?
So Kiel supporters…
How does it feel to have supported the Scarlet fractal?
You have no proof that scarlet would be absent from fractals if evon won.
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Yes, in this particular argument, I think I knew for a fact that what happened would happen. It doesn’t matter if it was right or wrong, it was the only legitimate decision they could possibly make on the subject. JMar claiming it’s not true, despite the outcome, does not discount that fact.
You can think that, but then you’re wrong, again.
We could still receive compensation, as unlikely as it is.
A pig could be shot out of a catapult, crash through your window, and land in your living room, as improbable as it is.
Impossible =/= improbable.
Would foreknowledge have changed your actions, or only your disposition about the results?
Both
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What exactly do you take “share in future profits or appreciation in value” to mean? That’s monetary value. That’s what that means.
If the only thing valuable to you is money, then I feel sorry for you.
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Anyone being compensated for this was not possible. It wasn’t going to happen.
Wrong again =)
As for human light t3, I’m not familiar with the argument. I find most human cultural armor to be pretty ugly, and/or dumb.
You don’t seem to be familiar with many arguments actually.
However the light armor look for t3 human cultural was just put into the gem store with minor flame additions.
Now anybody can obtain pretty much the t3 human cultural armor for any race, removing the equity in the old set.
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You’re right, your Fractal levels did have a value, but they didn’t have Equity. That’s all I’m saying. Value and Equity aren’t interchangeable words. Because Equity corresponds to a legitimate monetary value where value is concerned and neither my Ranger, nor your Fractal level had that. That’s all I was saying there.
“5.
Informal. ownership, especially when considered as the right to share in future profits or appreciation in value.”
Apparently you missed where it didn’t say anything about monetary value
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That’s the problem. Compensation given was never going to happen. Never. Period. You chose not to see the truth of that, but it is a reality. The only actually legitimate outcome in all this was 1) No compensation given. You can and have disagreed about this, but it is a fact and always has been.
You said ‘not possible’. It is possible, no matter how improbable. look up quantum physics and you will understand a little more.
Yeah, that doesn’t make a thing possible. Quantum requires alternate realities to allow everything to be possible. We’re not in multiple realities. We’re in this reality, and in this reality it wasn’t going to happen, and didn’t.
You are wrong…. again.
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That is your opinion. People have different opinions.
If you would have read the article you would understand why we hold value to it. Time and energy put into something creates value to the person putting the time and energy into it.
Somebody who doesn’t like video games may tell you your characters level has no value. Yo ucould argue it does because it’s time and energy you put into gaining levels, skills, etc, but the person who disagrees and doesn’t see value in that will tell you you’re wrong.
You may hold high value in your cleric ranger. I hold no value in it. If anet deleted your toon, I would be unaffected, but would not say you’re not entitled to some sort of compensation, because I would be unaffected.
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That’s the problem. Compensation given was never going to happen. Never. Period. You chose not to see the truth of that, but it is a reality. The only actually legitimate outcome in all this was 1) No compensation given. You can and have disagreed about this, but it is a fact and always has been.
You said ‘not possible’. It is possible, no matter how improbable. look up quantum physics and you will understand a little more.
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Which version of this corresponds to the apparent loss of Equity mentioned through this thread?
This will be my last response to you on this subject Kal, as I assume you did not read the article on equity, and even if I linked it, you wouldn’t.
“5.
Informal. ownership, especially when considered as the right to share in future profits or appreciation in value.”
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/equity
There is also this definition.
So to answer your question, 1 & 5
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The size of the thread, and the vehemence with which a handful of people on either side continue to argue about something doesn’t have any impact on the actual worth of the argument in question. There was only ever one possible outcome to all this, and it was the one that occurred. Some chose not to recognize that.
1 outcome? I see two possible
1) No compensation given
2) compensation given
I could give several others, but only two is needed to prove you wrong again.
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I have had no chance at all to play since the update.
Regardless of how good, skillful, or knowledgeable I am, I will not make it to the top ranks because I haven’t had time.
All the leaderboard shows is “Who has the most time to play video games before thanksgiving”
(inb4 yes, I know, ’Murica huehuehue)
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I too am disappointed that a thread that garnered 15 pages didn’t get any responses from Devs at all.
Not to mention the other 15 pages from the discussion forum, which they said was shut down due to arguments. Mostly it was people who lost nothing and were unaffected by the changes telling those that are affected they deserve nothing.
It also had some valid points, including an article articulating exactly what we were feeling about losing equity.
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That also assumes that you can reuse old infusions. I don’t know either way, but it would be possible that say you put a +4 in, you need two seperate +4s to make a +5. That would mean you need 3 of each, assuming you use one in your item and then CAN’T reuse it to make another one.
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I like 41, Playing favorites: Untargeted enemies take half damage.
As a mesmer who is frustrated by constantly losing target, I target absolutely everything I fight.
However, dredge, grawl, and cliffside will definitely suck with this.
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Sword clone is better than iDisenchanter.
Sword clone rips boons, and does it faster than iDisenchanter. With sharper images, it does more damage than iDisenchanter. It also applies vulnerability. It can be summoned faster as well.
I do this and bring null field (for coe mainly). Just turn on clone on dodge if it’s not on and you’re good.
Unforunately PUGs usually don’t know that it works this way, so more often than not I have to defend it and tell them why it works.
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Evon supporters should be down on their knees thanking Kiel supporters. Would you have preferred Scarlet show up in the Abaddon fractal instead?
This. We took one for the team.
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Up until now, the highest measure of skill in this game has been being able to solo Lupi or do fractals lvl 80. The most hardcore guilds use this as a requirement for recruitment.
kitten, that’s some uber elitism right there. I had to laugh a bit if these guilds actually do exist.
They do because some people like to play with good players.
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I don’t really care about them putting reskins on gem shop. But that doesn’t mean it would be the right thing to do.
No! Even though this doesn’t affect me in the very slightest because I didn’t buy the armor and don’t plan to, you don’t deserve anything! You bought that for the look and you have the look!
To quote the best business owner ever:
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…. =)
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Not even one developer post. Thanks for “reading” our feedback.
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You’re not the target audience.
Who IS the target audience ?
Casual gamers ? They won’t ever play fractal enough to get on the leaderboard.
Hardcore fractal players ? They’re the ones whining the most about this leaderboard which has no real meaning and which is causing all their progress to be wiped out.
Apparently the target audience is the audience that enjoys the content.
That’s like shooting an arrow randomly at a tree, then drawing a target where the arrow landed, and exclaiming “yay” while giving a pat on your back.
For the record, I am a dedicated fractals player. I am pretty sure I am part of the target audience.
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