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Are you really telling me that agony ticking for more is the thing making higher levels more challenging? I thought it was generally agreed it is mostly a gear check with a hint of “coordinated heals might get you through”. So mobs are the same all the way?
Exactly. Lol at 50+ being “hard.” It’s no harder than putting together the right group and knowing the loopholes.
Unless of course he’s trying to say that “Hard” can be defined simply as “time consuming,” in which case even Champ farming could be defined as “hard.”
If it’s not hard, then why should instabilities be set at 30 rather than 50? I mean…. it’s not hard, so anybody can level up to 50 in no time at all.
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I wonder what the lore will be for resetting those that progressed to 49 to 30.
“Asuran mind tricks have erased your knowledge and skill back down to lvl 30”
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Aside from the implied insult in the use of the word ‘casual’, you’re correct. They chose accessibility as a major factor in setting the entry level to the new content.
In all honesty, had they for example chosen fractal level 50 as the entry point how many people do you think would bother having a go (or another go) at Fractals? Thirty is well within reach of the majority. Fifty is not. This is, quite simply, a smart decision for the game as a whole.
It’s not “implied”. You inferred it. I’m sorry if you take offense to somebody being called a “casual” player, but you shouldn’t, as that is an unoffensive term. If you do not know the definition, I would be happy to tell you.
But everybody keeps saying its so easy to do 30-49. So why shouldn’t they start at 50?
If it’s hard and tedious, then why should that work we’ve done be deleted so they can implement leaderboards?
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Majority
Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.
That’s not okay. It’s okay to design content that caters to the majority, but it’s not okay to punish the minority in order to do.
That minority will still be player fractals (the new content) if they keep playing. The majority they are catering to will stop playing within a month.
No, it is not ok. Whatever they’re throwing at us at the moment doesn’t make it ok. But there’s nothing we can really do about it. I myself have 3 toons in level 49 and I recently started leveling my 4th… The time was wasted and could have been used towards making actual gold, rather than making progress that is now technically being stripped off off us. The fact is that the content will start this Tuesday and nothing major will be done to it, if anything will be done to it at all.
But we should still fight for it. I know nothing will happen, but if we don’tsay anything we’ll just let Anet get away with it, thinking that we’re okay with it.
Soon it will happen to WvW progression, PvP progression, items, etc where it gets erased in order to roll out new content.
They are setting a precedent that could destroy the future of the game.
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on top of that logic seems to be really hard they tell us to remove our Levels for fair leaderboards… but why are leaderbaords fair where some start at 30 over 50% completed and others start at 0 ? I really don’t get the reasoning behind.. I would have understood ( NOT AGREED) a fullreset to 0 way more.
only explonation is they saw 20% are over 30 sooo let’s just set em up and not screw up the 80% around 0-30… there is no other way I get this otherwise…:)
Agreed. They pick the level that would allow the most people to try it while upsetting the least. Just another instance where they cater to the casual players.
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Technically you can do it when your character is level 2 (character level, not fractal level).
AR will help, but it is not needed.
You can learn the agony attacks and dodge/avoid them, all except two at maw.
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I don’t see the whole drama with this reseting thing. Yes people won’t be able to just do lvl 48 immediately and yes they will have to pug their way up again, but are you guys forgetting how fast it is to level up? especially with 3 new fractals and 1? more boss fractal. Those last 20 levels will be achieved within a week or so (for the hardcore players).
I’m pro this reset and I don’t mind losing my higher ranks. It will be fun again leveling up
That is not what I want, so please don’t tell me so.
If it’s so fast to level up, then why not start it at 50?
We have one group saying that it’s so easy to do 30-50 so we shouldn’t care that we got reset, and the other group saying it’s in order to not make the casuals do 30-50 because it’s so hard and tedious.
People don’t want to do the work we did to get there, but don’t care that we are losing that.
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all you 50+ people would be DESTROYED in fractals 50, and would probably start over anyways
you’ve never played
Don’t quote me out of context. Cause then context gets screwed up and sends the wrong message. Can’t believe you think I’ve never played.
Also, difficulty curb is relative. Could simply mean agony curb. Easy for some, hard for others. Could mean more targeting circles. Etc. etc.
I believe he meant you haven’t done the new 50, so you have no clue if we’ll get destroyed or not.
Knowing the top PvE guilds and how the developers play, I’m willing to bet they will not get destroyed.
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Majority
Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.
That’s not okay. It’s okay to design content that caters to the majority, but it’s not okay to punish the minority in order to do.
That minority will still be player fractals (the new content) if they keep playing. The majority they are catering to will stop playing within a month.
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Community coordinator =/= developer.
True enough.
But why should a developer post something that will say exactly the same?
Does it somehow make it better because the person posting it happens to have a certain title?
Depends what the developer will say.
I would like to know if they realize it’s wrong to delete progression or if they are okay with it. I would also like to know why they have to do that. There seems to be a couple of solutions that have been brought up throughout the other thread.
Like I said, the only reason they have given us, is that they are introducing leaderboards and that’s why we must be reset to 30. I would rather not have my work deleted so that I can “compete” in something that I couldn’t care less about.
They did not delete PvP ranks when leaderboards were rolled out.
Obviously they won’t tell me this, but I’m interested in how the meeting went. Did somebody say “Hey, lets do leaderboards” “But we’ll have to delete progress so people are even” “Yeah, nobody will care, they love us deleting their progression!” Or did one developer say “Guys, we might want to think about that, I don’t think the players will be okay with that” “Na, that’s just the minority, they don’t matter”
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Yes, but he also said that he was exploring something that may make the 1h sword “less frustrating”.
Source:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/December-10th-Ranger-changes/page/7#post3155858
and
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/December-10th-Ranger-changes/page/8#post3162014I’m not holding my breath over it, but I can certainly hope with a bit of optimism since it’s at least being looked at, finally.
He also said that they lengthened the sbow auto by 40ms to fix an animation bug. A week or so later after being called out he came clean and said they did it to promote other skill use, and nerfed the auto appropriately.
I also will not be holding my breath.
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Can we have a developer respond?
Right now its the community arguing against the community, which really doesn’t matter.
We would like to know how the developers feel about deleting our progression rightfully earner, in order for leaderboards to come out, for which nobody wants or asked.
You got a response.
Until they have gathered feedback this is what you will get. Simple as that.
Community coordinator =/= developer.
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I can see why they set it to 30 and not 0 for everyone. Those who have done the 30+ content are being forced to do it again to essentially playtest the new Fractal Instabilities. Am I saying this is exactly fair to those people? No. But it makes sense. Going by their presumptions of a pretty-vague preview, all you 50+ people would be DESTROYED in fractals 50, and would probably start over anyways. And I’m not talking just because of new agony scaling.
Now, keep in mind, ANet has been silent on people wanting compensation. I can understand why they want it, I bet ANet can too. Now what’s one thing any of forum goers know about Devs and posting (in this game and others)? They try to avoid posting misleading information. For all we know, they are working on a compensation, and don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up until they have something figured out.
And personally, for all those saying “we just want our difficulty back” for the 50+: you don’t know what the Instabilities have to offer. That may be your difficulty/challenge, and then a bag of chips.
You can’t guarantee that I’m afraid.
I haven’t seen anybody asking for the ‘diffuiculty’ back.
Anet’s reasoning (from the update) is that we were reset to give equal footing in the leaderboards. Then we should be reset to 1 with no AR, as that would be real equal footing.
See how many people would like that.
Right now it’s <30 arguing against people 30>
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But, let’s be honest. Here’s what’s going to happen.
1. They’ll implement the changes.
2. You’ll either play or you won’t.
3. The game will continue.It’s really that simple.
This doesn’t make it okay.
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Hello all,
The Developers are reading these posts and we are gathering feedback. This is a reminder, as I’ve already had to edit one post. Please do not discuss exploits, discuss how players may have used exploits, and keep these topics clean. We do not want to have to shut down more threads because they dissolve into name-calling, rude comments, and other violations of the Forum Code of Conduct.
Can we have a developer respond?
Right now its the community arguing against the community, which really doesn’t matter.
We would like to know how the developers feel about deleting our progression rightfully earner, in order for leaderboards to come out, for which nobody wants or asked.
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Nobody complaining here is worried they won’t be able to do it.
We are upset that our hard work, time, energy, and effort is be devalued by removing it.
Why are people so upset with us at wanting our work to be valued?
because it seems like you would rather them not make good changes.
you have said you want them to put new changes to the interestingness of fractals beyond the level 50 difficulty curve. Thats not correcting bad design.you want them to autoscale you up to your old level in old content for the new content fix, not as bad, but kind of illogical.
even though people hate analogies, using previous MF changes, heres the analogous changes you propose.
require everyone to get and turn in a full set of MF gear before they access new magic find system
place me at equivalent mf from the start in new magic find system.
aka, instead of starting me at 0, start me at 150, although getting 150 is totally different in the new system.your reasoning is mostly that you are losing prestige, you will have to hang out with undesirables, and your rewards wont be as good till you beat 10 fractals and get from 31-41.
prestige, doesnt really matter to me, hence why i dont care about leaderboards, and dont care if you get a title
hang out with undesirables is foolish, you can make parties among your high prestige friends if you wish.
your rewards are reduced for 10 fractals, slightly annoying but honestly doesnt seem like it should matter, considering fractals 30+ still have the same rewards you have been getting at 50 for months.The only new reward is at 40+ and none of you have really earned the right to compete for it, since there are now special conditions that will probably alter builds and tactics for levels 31-50, not to say you cant get there, but you havent yet
You say I said a lot of stuff that I did not say.
You say I want or do a lot of things that I do not want or do.
Bad design by arenanet that was not touched for a year, is no reason to punish the playerbase, even if it is a minority.
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I wouldn’t really want to post here as a dev with all the toxic comments here either tbh.
They have stated several times that they are reading the forums, even if they don’t post.What’s your fractals level?
It’s obviously like, 78 or something. He’s really understanding of the situation. Duh.
Awwwwww yeeeahhhh
Good point. He seems very understanding of how people feel. He has also spoken of what fractals 30+ is like so I’m sure he has a great knowledge of that content.
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^ So true. If the dec 10th patch does anything about this, I’ll actually make a legitimate return to my ranger (my first 80 and the main class I played for about the first 6 months or so).
I wouldn’t hold my breath. Not more than a week or 2 ago there was a dev commenting in a thread saying there are no plans for changing ranger sword aa. I can’t be bothered to search said thread, though.
Jon Peters said that the sword is working as intended. They designed it that way since it’s a leap, and no other movement skills ( like warrior dash or whirlwind) can evade during it, therefore it will not be changed.
He also said he likes it that way, which I think is the real reason.
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I wouldn’t really want to post here as a dev with all the toxic comments here either tbh.
They have stated several times that they are reading the forums, even if they don’t post.
What’s your fractals level?
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Nobody complaining here is worried they won’t be able to do it.
We are upset that our hard work, time, energy, and effort is be devalued by removing it.
Why are people so upset with us at wanting our work to be valued?
Because it does not lose its value, in any way or form.
Or are you suggesting that stuff is only valuable if you can wave it in front of people?If you really hate this change so much it is rather easy to show your disappointment.
Stop playing the game. But funnily enough I am almost completely sure that most people complaining about it here will still be among the first to actually do the new Fractals when they are released and then rush to lvl 50.
I still like the game, but the company is pushing away. I still have friends that play and will continue to play. I never said I hate the game and don’t like, I hate that my level is being reset. I have never waived my level in front of anybody. Actually I know everybody here arguing doesn’t care what my level is.
Why do you play the game? To wave your level 80 in front of people’s face. This whole game is base upon progression, becoming stronger, more knowledgeable, etc. They removed my prepossession, therefore part of my game (or at least plan to). They are doing so for the people who were too lazy or too uninterested to level to 49. They are hurting the people they are designing the content for.
Like I have said a million times, the people who are being coddled to, will play fractals for about two weeks then never step foot inside again.
Anet said they are reseting levels due to leaderboards. Until they say otherwise, that’s all I will be addressing here on out.
Nobody wants leaderboards and it doesn’t make sense to reset levels because of “competing” for leaderboards.
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Nobody complaining here is worried they won’t be able to do it.
We are upset that our hard work, time, energy, and effort is be devalued by removing it.
Why are people so upset with us at wanting our work to be valued?
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I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.
That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.
Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.
People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.
Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation
I don’t think that’s a correct analogy since nothing is being deleted, just made easier. The correct one would be they change it so you only need 25 of each t6 mats and some newly introduced mats and reset anyone that has a legendary to 25 of each t6 mats.
My progression is being deleted. Read the article on equity.
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I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.
That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.
Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.
People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.
Nope, making up.
The company that designed and implemented the changes provided the reason of leaderboards. You are putting words in their mouth because of what you think. Logic isn’t hard for some of us, but apparently very hard for you.
We did the content to 50, I never said it was tedious. I did have fun, and I enjoyed the challenge.
Why should I be punished because the player base isn’t interested enough or too lazy to do it as well.
Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation
I suggest you read the article earlier about equity.
i would applaud changes to legendaries to make them less tedious, in fact although i have two now, i applaud a precursor hunt quest, and genuinely hope they make real interesting quests, content and lore associated with each legendary.
If the lowered the amount of mats required id be quite happy. I also wouldnt mind some new legendaries, particularly of the very niche legendaries like shortbow, and pistol, which have a comical focus.
So why did they refund gems to people that bought multiple soul bound gathering tools? They knew what they were buying when they bought it.
Also, just because you would b eokay with the changes, doesn’t mean other people wouldn’t. To make it applicable, they would have to remove your legendary, call it a race to get a new one, and say that now everybody is on equal grounds with the new content.
Tangible possession vs intangible possession doesn’t change a thing.
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I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.
I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.
Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.
Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.
Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!
If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.
I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!
Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg
Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.
Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh
what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin
A sticker that says “I r good at fractalssss!”
Also, no I wasn’t talking about that. I was just talking about this idea of “so everyone starts out the same, no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing!”
Also also, if 1-30 is scaled even slightly different, I think it would be only fair for those only at 30 as well to get a level decrease, because they haven’t “proved” themselves either.
I just fear the pugs…. Oh god the level 30 pugs……!
Edit: (darn I forgot!) Awwwwww yeeeeahhhhh
Yup, 1-30 will be different. So reset everybody.
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your selfish Little Boy it should start from 81 were the real cap was it’s an Expansion so it should expand the Content that was avaiable
I’m not selfish, little, or a boy.
If they start it at 81, I’m fine with that.
However, I believe there was an obvious soft cap at 50. Which I thought was apparent Anet wanted us to stop there. You choose to go to 80, which is fine.
Either way it shouldn’t start at 30 so they reset the people that ACTUALLY enjoyed fractals.
I 100% guarantee all the people they are coddling to get to play the new content, will stop playing it in two weeks when they get to farm more mindless events with the LS.
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I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.
That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.
Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.
People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.
Nope, making up.
The company that designed and implemented the changes provided the reason of leaderboards. You are putting words in their mouth because of what you think. Logic isn’t hard for some of us, but apparently very hard for you.
We did the content to 50, I never said it was tedious. I did have fun, and I enjoyed the challenge.
Why should I be punished because the player base isn’t interested enough or too lazy to do it as well.
Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation
I suggest you read the article earlier about equity.
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I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.
That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.
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Lol i just wanted to ask a question and jet it has become another anti bear-bow thread^^
One cannot have too many anti bearbow threads
Tyria has an alarming amount of bearbows, so we need to resolve that imbalance through anti bearbow threads.
I don’t think it will work.
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I think they need to just respond to the things they are ‘watching’.
Look at the 814 posts & 11K views. Two responses that are irrelevant to the conversation. Not to mention the heated debates that are fracturing the community.
This. Why no response? Even if it is a response that makes everything I say invalid, at least then I can stop wasting my time.
Awwwwww yeeeeahhhhh
Spoiler alert: we’re wasting our time =)
My new goal is just get the community to understand why resetting progression is a horrible idea.
It doesn’t matter if it affects you this time, because chances are it will next time.
Every single person arguing for the change is under lvl 30 fotm.
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they didnt remove anything that you gained for doing the levels you did. they removed your ability to warp to a zone. So no, its not the same at all.
It would be more similar to them moving the mystic forge because a dragon blows up lions arch, letting you keep whatever legendaries you had already obtained.
And if the place where the mystic forge is now is in a more interesting place with better mechanics, i would applaud the change, even if i have to now trudge through a big map to get there.
Once again, they arent taking away any item you earned, or power you gained, they are taking away access to map that no longer exists.
If you want them to keep that map in existence, focus on that.
Im not sure if thats what you guys really want. Do you want them to keep old fractals in the side somewhere? Same old fractals, no new bosses and zones, no new sigils, no fixes to various methods used to make the content easier?
Maybe they can save you guys level and let it return later in living story if thats what you guys really want. But im not really getting the impression that would satisfy you
I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.
I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.
Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.
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I think they need to just respond to the things they are ‘watching’.
Look at the 814 posts & 11K views. Two responses that are irrelevant to the conversation. Not to mention the heated debates that are fracturing the community.
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Only bearbows on champ trains get love.
Awwwwwwww yeah.
Increase auto attack, increase arrow speed, increase pet health! Give 6 silver per champ kill! Add greens to boxes! Make them farmable 24/7 (no cooldown or DR!) add greens with luck!
Fix the extra 20% damage dungeon runners take….. Naaaaaaaa
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To add to my analogy, Anet doesn’t reply or comment, while the community becomes even more ‘fractured’ (eh, get it?) and rips each other apart.
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its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.
If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.
you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.
That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.
Your analogy is okay, but not correct, so I’ll correct it.
It’s like Anet promises that there’s going to be a huge map that will have all these POIs, WPs, Vistas, etc. Almost impossible to get. You get a bigger and bigger reward everytime you find one, and they are REALLY tough to get. It takes hours just to uncover one. So you get relaly far, up to the cap till they say “we will release more soon”
The day comes for to be released, then all of a sudeen, they remove 75% of the map you did and you have to start over again.
But you know, you did it for fun, so it’s fine they delete your progression. Now you’re bakc on the same level as people that put in WAY less work than you. And they get on the forums to tell you you’re being entitled and selfish, because you’re the minority that choose to got that far for fun.
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How hard is that to do? That’s a HUGE bug that has gone on for way too long because it mainly effects dungeon runners.
Apparently we are a minority and it’s okay for anet to treat us like crap (according to the discussion forums)
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Apparently fotm levels are reset to 30 because a couple people exploited past that, according to the dicussion thread.
Therefore, just wait a few months and dungeon master along with tokens will be removed because a couple people exploited dungeons sometime.
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Awwwwww yeeeeaaaahhh <33333
Lol, I literally just changed it, and when I came back, I saw your post asking me to change it. What a coincidence =)
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no, that is not the same. You lost your ability to warp yourself to a content which no longer exists.
you lost a teleport/waypoint, which makes sense because that area doesnt exist. The direct analogy to what you are talking about would be if they deleted your fractal weapons, and removed your karma. They did not do that.
If they take away balthazar giving obsidian shards, i would not demand they warp me to the end of the new event that unlocks an npc that gives obsidian shards whenever i beat balthazaar.
you got your use out of it, if you want a title for old level 50 thats fine, but dont act like they erased your karma, gold and fractal weapons gained through play, they did not do that
So then you’d be okay if they removed all legendary designs and replaced it with new designs.
Since that content no longer exists, they’ll take away everything except for your mystic clovers. You get to keep those, because now it’s a race to see who can get the 1st new looking legendary, so everybody has to be on ‘somewhat’ equal grounds.
It’s fine because you had fun making your legenday, so you have no room to complain or want compensation. And that content no longer exists, so stop whining.
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So this is your reasoning for why they should reset out levels? Not only is it flawed ignorant, it’s irrelevant.
No, it is an answer to some posts in this thread that talks about it being advertised as an infinite dungeon.
Context is quite important when reading posts.
Indeed it is, as I mentioned, it’s quite irrelevant. You know, being that whole ‘content’ thing you mentioned earlier.
It IS advertised as an infinite dungeon. Which is WHY people choose to go as high as possible (80) without knowing they’d be reset.
Logic is hard
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its not going to be harder, its going to be different. you havent shown or proven anything in the new content. Im not saying you cant beat it, im saying you have not beat it.
If they make a queens jubilee arena next year with 3 new enemies, random conditions in each match, fixed mob ai, and a revised liadri, should they let you skip to the end because you beat a different arena last time?imo no, because its different.
do i care that much if you skip? not really, but imo you wouldnt really have beat the new arena, just the new boss.
So then add it at 50, where the soft cap was earlier.
Give the people 50+ a cool looking fractal skin that’s a different color, and let them pick the weapon.
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Did anyone actually think that they would somehow magically be able to create something that is impossible?
It is completely impossible to create something that is infinite, since sooner or later the scaling would simply make every single attack 1-hit kill the player.
So this is your reasoning for why they should reset out levels? Not only is it flawed ignorant, it’s irrelevant.
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I don’t get the QQ. I mean…it’s not like Anet blew up all of tyria, shut down the game and told us….come back next year and the world will be “reborn”. Oh and you’ll have to buy the game again….
If getting to the high level fractals was a challenge you enjoyed then you should enjoy the BRAND NEW challenges that you’ll be facing starting with the different gambits at level 30. It’s not just going to be a stupid “how to overcome the suicide machine” there will be actual mechanics to figure out how to progress through the level. (is my hope anyway based on what I’ve read)
Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?
This keeps getting tossed around and it’s really annoying.
Lets reset all of your characters to level 1 and remove all the gear. You already had your fun leveling up, and you did it for the challenge, so what, are you scared you can’t get back to lvl 80? Are you scared you can’t farm another legendary.
Logic is hard.
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This is actually a pretty easy mechanic to deal with, even if you can’t dodge it. What class are you and maybe we can provide advice (if you actually want any)
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Anyone who wants to progress in an MMO, whether it be by accumulating gold, going up in PVP or WVW ranks, or accumulating gear, needs to know that any progress achieved is secure. Anet’s reset here undermines my trust in the security of any progress, not just that in fractals.
There is a good article on this concept here, which the author refers to as equity:
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/RaminShokrizade/20130531/193353/The_Barrier_to_Big.php
Pretty good article, and it’s quite right about this subject.
Wow, that described it really well. I hope at least one pesron on Anet staff reads that.
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For those that are arguing for the reset. How will you be affected?
They aren’t and if they “are” it’s a very minimal amount.
Exactly my point. The biggest supporter of the change that I’ve seen in this thread has been volkon who already admited he is level 28/29, so therefore he will lose nothing.
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Becareful. If they end up doing this, they may reset everybody’s character level to 30 since you killed all these bosses in a different manner, that way people start on the same page.
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end game is to dress up your pve doll and toss it with other pve dolls in an arena called wvwvw.
Or to progress in an unlimited dungeon that is both limited and reset upon new content.
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Seeing as how there’s no difference between even or odd fractals now, I’d say we all got bumped to the equivalent of lvl 60 next patch. Seeing how the only way to get past 60 -was- through and ’’exploit’’ and cant be done anymore because it was patched i’d say we mostly all got bumped up, some more than others.
No
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For those that are arguing for the reset. How will you be affected?
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!