Guild Wars 2

VOLKON.1290:

All the legitimate progress of players with regards to Fractals and the new Instability content is currently at fractal level 30.

I have legitimate progress from lvl 31-upper 40s. I should not be punished because anet chooses to implement instability at 30.

SkyChef.5432:

I’m really puzzle at people’s moral compass. It seems that they do not understand the “who is next” principle. It’s not OK to do that to a majority but it’s OK to do it to a minority? Wow.

Exactly. This could happen in PvP, WvW, character level.

Every time I say “how would it feel if your [insert one above] was reset” the reply is always “It’s different” or they ignore it.

It shouldn’t be okay for the company that made the design mistake to punish the players for it.

Master Yi.6129:

(incoming ANet impersonation)

Because nobody was interested about such a thing. Nobody brought up the fractals in any of the CDI’s.

(end of impersonation)

I think the whole point of this update is to get people to do the fractals again. They must be getting sick of the zerg trains at Queensdale and Frostgorge. But, its their fault: they introduced new rewards that were the same quality as the rewards in fractals, but made them far too easy to get.

If people were interested in the idea of fractals, they would be at the cap waiting to continue. However the only people that would have been very interested in fractals (past the 2 weeks newness excitment) are those that are being damaged by having their levels reset.

Also, I know your first statement was just a joke, but there were a lot of comments I saw that said “dungeons”.

Raven.3248:

Join lfg’s with ‘at GL’. Kill GL then thank everyone and leave

Little did you know you became instance owner and destroyed their instance. #BETAlfgBETA

Jk Jk

Why wasn’t there a CDI for the fractals update?

Resetting progression is ridiculous.

VOLKON.1290:

Again, if they reset them to lower I wouldn’t complain about it personally. I’d also be careful about giving ANet ideas.

Then I have nothing else to say to you, as this should never be allowed in an MMO ever.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Outside of elementalist, I find most weapons that are worth using on most classes to feature the use of the #1 skill a vast majority of the time. A friend and I were discussing this yesterday, and I found myself thinking about shooters. In the ones I’ve played, I spend most of the time shooting, kind of like using a #1 skill in GW2.

Why is shooter play fun, and GW2 combat less so? In both, I spend most of my time just shooting (stabbing/smashing/etc.) with occasional weapon switch or other actions. The answer is that in a shooter, it requires some skill to aim, particularly if the shooter offers more damage for hitting small, vulnerable spots on targets. GW2 lacks this, except that attackers need to stay in range.

My friend put it this way, “In GW2 combat is mostly ‘Turn on skill #1, and strafe, and every once in a while switch weapons or use 2-10.’ Since using the #1 skill requires no thought or effort on my part, the game devolves my role down to strafing.”

Yes, that is the difference between MMO genre and FPS genre.

VOLKON.1290:

Sifu.6527:

For WvW, would you be ok if everytime they added new WvW abilities, Anet reset everyone’s WvW back down to 1? Just asking….

This doesn’t even make sense. When they add new abilities they’re not changing content, just adding new abilities that the players can choose from. There is a strong demand for the ability to reset WvW points and change them every so often, but so far that’s not in the works.

HOWEVER!

If they added account-wide WxP instead of character bound you’d find players a lot more willing to give up something if the need arose.

Reset yes, but you get them all back, it’s not like they are taken away.

New abilities = new content.

VOLKON.1290:

Nephitis.8201:

Does this mean new contents are gated behind level30? If so what about players that are still haven’t done a single fractal. I always thought that you could experience all fractal content at level 1 or am i wrong?

You can experience all the different Fractals starting at one, it’s the instability that starts at 30 which adds new challenges and changes how things play that start at 30.

Right, so why not reset all levels to 1? You’re not allowing the majority of players to experience the content at 30. All those people under 30 or have never stepped foot into fotm won’t experience.

The people they are hurting are the ones who wanted to do fractals. If you never stepped foot into a fractal or you were only level 10, chances are you probably won’t do the new instability. The people who would grind those and play it all the time, are the players that are raging right now about having all their progress reset.

VOLKON.1290:

Right now 50 is pretty inaccessible for the vast majority of players, probably myself included. It would quite literally take me months to ever see the new content if that were true, and more likely than not I’d simply give up on it as other parts of the game called more loudly. This is back to the accessibility issue. If you make it seemingly out of reach, people won’t bother sticking their hands out to try and grab it. The carrot on a stick doesn’t work if the carrot is so far away you can’t see it.

If you’re saying that because 50 is almost impossible because of the soft cap of maw attack, then I meant 49. Just saying the new content should be 50 (obviously with the soft cap removed)

I understand what you are saying, but don’t you see what I’m saying? You said it would take you months to do the work to get from 29 to 50, so why is that work okay to be ripped away from me, along with a lot of other players?

You said you’re into WvW a lot. Lets assume your level is 150 in wvw. What if the new map has content in it for lvl 40 and above. But everybody’s level is reset to 30 that way the majority of players who don’t wvw have a chance of the content. Wouldn’t you feel cheated? Wouldn’t you be really upset with people that are lvl 25 that say “No! You should have had fun playing wvw, so nothing is being reset except for a silly number. You don’t get anything for your time”

VOLKON.1290:

I’m willing to admit that I’m sitting at 28 or 29, I forget… WvW takes most of my time these days. But these changes starting at 30? Hell yeah that’s enticing be back to Fractals. I always enjoyed them, but so many bad guys to kill… but regardless, I wouldn’t have an issue personally if I were higher and it was being reset (or say they were resetting it to 20) because I know that’s putting me on a different, more challenging path of progression. I don’t “lose” anything. I get a fresh start with fresh, juicy stuff. I mean, can’t you just feel that cold, juicy, sweet Mistlock Instability dribbling down your chin? Yeah… Daddy gonna get some of dat. That’s the main reason the reset to 30 doesn’t and wouldn’t bother me. It’s to access a different path of progression. I don’t know how many people are sitting at level 49 and spend day after day doing the level 48 daily but let’s be honest… the progression there is done. Dead. Same old same old. Sure, you do the same old better than most, very nice indeed. But now there will be actual progression to be had that differs from what we’ve seen so far. And, more importantly, that new progression will be available to large wads of people rather than isolated among a select few.

So if it were at 50 then you wouldn’t do the new content, because you wouldn’t want to level up from 28/29 to 50? Yet, you don’t see how we are angry and upset that our time and energy spent going form 28/29 is wasted?

I am very excited about the new challenges. But they are implementing this in a horrible, horrible way.

I’m addicted to MMOs. Once a new game comes out that I’m really excited about, I look forward to saying peace out to gw2.

Hopefully the next game won’t delete my progression for new content.

VOLKON.1290:

The “progress” that was made by the over-30 crowd was made in content that will be obsoleted. Now, if they gave a nice little title, maybe some personal exclusive clothing or the like for those crowd, hey, I’m all for that. Recognition never hurts. But regardless, what you progressed in is going away. There’s a new progression with different challenges and maybe even different skills and capabilities, we don’t know. New progression, new path, everyone gets on the path together. Everyone has a reasonable means to access the path by starting at 30 instead of higher up.

Right, they are deleting content and progression that they made the players believe would stay there by promising unlimited levels. But you’re okay with that, because I assume you are under level 30 fractals. You can clarify if I’m incorrect.

Lets say anet says We’re going to allow you to make legendaries shiny! So get your legendaries, and in 6 months we’ll let you make it really shiney!

You grind and grind and grind. You put the effort in, because, as the legendary is cool, you’re really looking forward to the next release when you can make it shiney. So you get your legendary and you’re all ready to go.
Then, 6 months later, they say “Actually we didn’t like it being shiny, so we’re going to change colors. But We’re going to reset you back to just having t6 mats, so everybody is on the same page, and the people who don’t have a legendary can experience the new colors”

Seems legit right?

I could do the same example with WvW progress, PvP progress, Character levels, etc.

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

You guys seem to be very adamant and berating people with questions. Why do you guys take such an issue with us valuing our time?

Do you not understand that we invested time and work into progression, only to have it erased? Would you feel cheated if the same thing happened to you?

But thats just the thing.
You DIDN’T put time and work into the NEW lvl 31-49. Because they were not released.

And WHY did you put time into it in the first place if not for the fun of it?

Can you people really not grasp what we are getting at? We aren’t asking to stay at lvl 50+ so we get to skip all the content.

It should have been started at 50, plain in simple. We are now on the same page as everybody at 30. Our time, work, and energy is removed. You play this game for the ‘fun of it’ so what if your account was deleted and you had to start all over.

By asking this, you’re asking ANet to create new content for a vast minority of players and completely disregarding most of the player base because, well, you don’t care about them. But then again you’re saying to take away the levels for everyone that managed to get over 50 because, well, they’re not you. So the only ones that really benefits are the level 50 crowd alone. There’s a hypocrisy here that’s not sitting well.

50 was the soft cap. I already said I’m fine if they want to do 80.

If those people didn’t go up to 48, I don’t they will all of a sudden get to 30 just to do the new content.

Plus, it’s the fact that they are taking a dump on that “vast minority”. It’s okay if you don’t include new content for a “vast minority”, but don’t delete the progress that minority made.

Call it a design flaw, but don’t punish the players.

I’m also not being a hypocrite, as you are putting words into my mouth that I never said.

There are a lot of better options than resetting fotm level.

The only reason I say lvl 50 is because I think players knew they shouldn’t go above that, but they decided to push themselves that way. It was perfectly reasonable to expect our levels not to be reset at 49, which was well intended for the players to reach that lvl.

Sanduskel.1850:

Lol, who cares? Why are they spending more time on fractals? Many of us have ever even done one.

Yup, and those are the people that are “okay” with being reset. And those are the people that are being catered to that won’t do it.

Vayne.8563:

Because that’s what’s really at stake here. The stuff you’ve done in the past isn’t really lost, because you’ve done it. You don’t get to say you’ve done the new stuff, because you haven’t…but that doesn’t detract from what you’ve done.

Oh, so when they make an expansion you’re okay with all characters being reset to 1? Because I mean, the stuff you’ve done in the past isn’t really lost, because you’ve done it. You don’t get to ay you’ve done the new stuff, because you haven’t…. but that doesn’t detract from what you’ve done.

Ision.3207:

Vayne.8563:

JMar.3254:

Vayne.8563:

But those who are under 30 at this point who might want to try to get on the leaderboard would be affected…unless there’s a way to opt out of the leaderboard, which there’s not.

Basically, though, it’s such a small pool of people who have done it, and of those people some of them have said they don’t even care…so the pool of people is even smaller.

Oh, so the minority should have their time devalued to favor the majority? That seems pretty immoral.

I’m not sure immoral is the right word to use. There’s nothing immoral about catering to the majority if you’re a business. This isn’t taking food off someone’s table. It’s not doing physical harm to them. It’s not doing anything to them, except removing a completely arbitrary achievement that the game doesn’t even really recognize.

In your mind, this is bigger than big. You’re at this very high level. But from the point of view of the game developer and most people it’s absolutely meaningless.

Attrition mechanics exist in games for reasons. They tell you something isn’t working or shouldn’t be done.

Those who reached level 80 completely ignored the attrition mechanic.

This has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with practicality. There’s no good and evil here, only what some people want and what other people want.

Oh my God, hell just froze over … because I agree with Vayne; and not just in part, but wholly. +1

So what about those at 50? it’s fine to reset their progression just because they want to roll out leaderboards? And yes, this is their reasoning, and no dev has said otherwise afaik

PvP wasn’t reset when leaderboards came out.

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

You guys seem to be very adamant and berating people with questions. Why do you guys take such an issue with us valuing our time?

Do you not understand that we invested time and work into progression, only to have it erased? Would you feel cheated if the same thing happened to you?

But thats just the thing.
You DIDN’T put time and work into the NEW lvl 31-49. Because they were not released.

And WHY did you put time into it in the first place if not for the fun of it?

Can you people really not grasp what we are getting at? We aren’t asking to stay at lvl 50+ so we get to skip all the content.

It should have been started at 50, plain in simple. We are now on the same page as everybody at 30. Our time, work, and energy is removed. You play this game for the ‘fun of it’ so what if your account was deleted and you had to start all over.

Vayne.8563:

This is about perspective and nothing else. In your perspective Anet is taking away something from you, but what? A few hours of your time. How many hours would you estimate that it will take to get from level 30 to level 50 fractals.

If it’s just a few hours, why shouldn’t everybody do it? Why should my “few hours” be deleted so that all these other people don’t have to “play a few hours”

lordkrall.7241:

But how is it washed away?
Does it simply come down to the fact that you are afraid that you won’t be able to complete the new more challenging lvl 31+ or what is it all about?
If you did manage to get to lvl 50 before, why won’t you be able to do it again?
Was it not done for fun?

They are adding a new reward structure, should you somehow be able to bypass the lower levels just because you were lucky enough to be part of the small minority that managed to get a stable Fractals group?

Lucky? You’re funny.

I’m not afraid. I look forward to the challenge. This game is way too easy, although still fun.

As far as doing it again? As everybody else has asked, what if they reset your toon to lvl 1? Are you afraid you can’t get to 80 again? Wouldn’t you be upset to have your progression reset?

I’m not asking to bypass the reward structure. logic is hard.

You guys seem to be very adamant and berating people with questions. Why do you guys take such an issue with us valuing our time?

Do you not understand that we invested time and work into progression, only to have it erased? Would you feel cheated if the same thing happened to you?

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I am not going to suggest any compensation that I would want because that would only lead to more arguing and belittlement.

However, I welcome the challenges that are coming. They should be at 50+, not 30+, that way levels aren’t reset.

I only mentioned leaderboards because that was Anet’s reason for resetting levels.

If the new challenges are 50+ levels will still get reset. There are people with levels much higher than that who managed to get them before things were fixed. So you’re OK with resetting levels of people higher than you, but you don’t want your levels touched at all and everyone below you can bugger off? Seems hardly fair, does it? Why is your 50 so inviolate yet that other guy’s 81 fair game for the chopping block?

You can’t blow off accessibility. Period. You can try to wish it away, insult the 20 somethings as “casuals” or whatever, but is must be taken into consideration. Level 30 is challenging enough that a significant amount of the population can reasonably attain that level and have access to the new content, yet it’s not so easy that people can reach it with no effort at all. 50 – well, you yourself know how exclusive that particular group is with regards to the whole.

I saw 50 as a soft cap. I saw the agony’s maw attack as the dev’s saying “You guys shouldn’t really go past 50”. Some people didn’t see it that way, and leveled up anyay.

I personally think it should start at 50, but if it starts at 80, then I’m fine with that as well.

If level 30 is so challenging, then why should my work to do all of 30 and 40 be washed away to appease the lesser skilled player base?

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

If the new content starts at 50+, then 30-49 will be exactly the same. Logic is hard.

But what about those at lvl 80 then?
Why should there “hard work” be nullified?
Should we maybe start the new content at lvl 80+ for those people then?

I don’t have a preference either way. Honestly, I never went past 50 because I ‘thought’ we weren’t really supposed to. I saw the maw’s attack as a soft cap, so I stopped. I think itshould start at 50, but if they started it at 80 I would be happier than it starting at 30.

Stooperdale.3560:

Give these egomaniacs a title for reaching level 49 in the old system. They can all then take pride in what they’ve achieved and feel rewarded for all the time they spend being so wonderful in fractals.

Nobody else will care about it of course.

I’m sorry for being egomaniac because I value the time and effort I put into a challenge.

Also I do not want a title. I want the new content to start at 50, where it should.

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

Why is it “more” work. It is the same work that all of us at 49+ put in.

You don’t want to do the work, but you can’t understand why we are frustrated the work we put in is being nullified?

Oh, so you somehow had access to the new Instabilities from lvl 31+ MONTHS before the rest of the population?
Because that is what being added to EVERY SINGLE level after lvl 30 with the new patch.
Or are you maybe suggesting that these new instabilities will actually make it EASIER to complete Fractals?

If the new content starts at 50+, then 30-49 will be exactly the same. Logic is hard.

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

People who are under 30 should have to put in the same work, time, and effort that we did to get the rewards. Instead they are removing our time, work, effort to allow those that did not do the work, to share in the rewards.

People under 30 will have to put in the same work, time and effort. That’s what’s happening here. The climb to 30 will be the same, then everyone has the same challenges ahead past that point. You’ll have to put in the same work going forwards against the new challenges as will someone that just climbed the ladder to 30 will. No one is getting special treatment when it comes to avoiding the new, challenging content.

No, they will not.

They did not do 31-49. Just think for a second please.

I am not talking about work going forward, I am talking about nullifying work previously done by all those over 30

I am not talking about negating the new challenges. I am talking about negating the time and work done to get to 49.

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

The work I put into 30+ is washed away…

What work exactly have you put into the new beyond level 30 content? I’m pretty sure it’s none. You claim they should make the new challenges beyond level 50 even though it’s clear that a huge portion of the community would be excluded. It should be clear by now that ArenaNet doesn’t work that way.

OK, I’ll give you that the work you put into the old system beyond level 30 is being reset. I can’t argue that. The old Fractals are being changed forever. But you’ll have the chance to excel again (if you can) with the new challenges beyond level 30 which you (or anyone) has yet to face.

I do have to wonder if some of the people so vehemently against this change are worried they won’t be able to get ahead of the pack with the new challenges. Yes, change can be unsettling, that’s for sure. But denying everyone else the experience of the new challenges because someone fears change (or the ability to face said change), hmm. (Not directed at you Mar, just a thought in general.)

I don’t care about the leaderboards. I don’t care about how far other people go. I like the challenge and rewards.

I don’t like my work done doing those challenges to be reset, without compensation, to appease those that did not do that work.

Did I mention leaderboards? Now, you say you like challenges, yet you’re being given the new challenges (which begin at level 30) and demanding the right to skip them or receive compensation for doing well in the older, less challenging system that’s being replaced?

OK, this could be interesting… what kind of “compensation” do you think would be fair in this case? What would be suitable compensation for you being required to enter the new challenges at the same level as everyone else instead of being able to skip the challenges and go straight to the end?

I am not going to suggest any compensation that I would want because that would only lead to more arguing and belittlement.

However, I welcome the challenges that are coming. They should be at 50+, not 30+, that way levels aren’t reset.

I only mentioned leaderboards because that was Anet’s reason for resetting levels.

lordkrall.7241:

So you would have preferred if they released something the vast majority of the population would never experience?
Lvl 30 is fully possible to get for most people without to much fuss, but lvl 50 seems a bit extreme.

People under 30 will have to put in MORE work, time and effort in order to get to the same rewards after the patch. But are you suggesting that you should have access to rewards that others will require MORE work to get access to just because you did an easier version of it?

Why is it “more” work. It is the same work that all of us at 49+ put in.

You don’t want to do the work, but you can’t understand why we are frustrated the work we put in is being nullified?

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Rangers are a slight change of their sword auto attack away from being the second most popular and important dungeon class.

I don’t really know if you’re being sarcastic or not, but I do feel this way. Maybe not “important” but I would definitely play mine way more (anything is more than storage toon)

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

If it starts at 50 then the best rewards won’t be at 40. Logic is hard.

So if all your toons were reset to level 1 and you could level again, that would be fine right? because those times were fun and it doesn’t devalue that fun time?

But that would still make you having an easier way up to lvl 50 than new players, due to the changes of lvl 31+, unless you are suggestion that they should start with the new stuff at lvl 50+? Which doesn’t really make sense since lvl 50 is the cap.

It’s the cap because they made it the cap. If it starts at 50, that would no longer be the cap. Again, logic is hard.

People who are under 30 should have to put in the same work, time, and effort that we did to get the rewards. Instead they are removing our time, work, effort to allow those that did not do the work, to share in the rewards.

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

The work I put into 30+ is washed away…

What work exactly have you put into the new beyond level 30 content? I’m pretty sure it’s none. You claim they should make the new challenges beyond level 50 even though it’s clear that a huge portion of the community would be excluded. It should be clear by now that ArenaNet doesn’t work that way.

OK, I’ll give you that the work you put into the old system beyond level 30 is being reset. I can’t argue that. The old Fractals are being changed forever. But you’ll have the chance to excel again (if you can) with the new challenges beyond level 30 which you (or anyone) has yet to face.

I do have to wonder if some of the people so vehemently against this change are worried they won’t be able to get ahead of the pack with the new challenges. Yes, change can be unsettling, that’s for sure. But denying everyone else the experience of the new challenges because someone fears change (or the ability to face said change), hmm. (Not directed at you Mar, just a thought in general.)

I don’t care about the leaderboards. I don’t care about how far other people go. I like the challenge and rewards.

I don’t like my work done doing those challenges to be reset, without compensation, to appease those that did not do that work.

Estriella Faerie.4029:

It’s like telling us “You wasted your time doing all those fractal runs”.

“that we told you would be unlimited”

More leaderboards!

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

Why should those at 30 have access to the best drops without putting in the work that those at 49 did?

All I’m saying is the content should have been added at 50. If you reset everybody’s progression, past 30, to 30, there should be compensation.

Why should somebody not receive compensation for having their progression nullified by resetting it?

They won’t.
Since the “best” drops will be available at lvl 40.
Had they not reset progress, people at lvl 50 (or higher) would have been able to get the “best” rewards without actually having to do the new harder work to get to that level.

Why should there be compensation?
Didn’t people do it for fun?
Does lowering the level somehow make those fun times less fun?

If it starts at 50 then the best rewards won’t be at 40. Logic is hard.

So if all your toons were reset to level 1 and you could level again, that would be fine right? because those times were fun and it doesn’t devalue that fun time?

Obsidyth.1798:

colesy.8490:

Rangers are good for frost spirit and spotter, the fact that the average ranger is bad is due to pugs just being terrible in general, there’s a scrub archetype for every single class in the game, examples being gs mesmers, mace/shield cleric guards, shout heal warriors and so forth, so it’s not just a ranger issue.

Shout Heal warriors and Mace Shield Gaurdians are utility builds that actually work…. u can hardly call them scrub builds.

Define “work”

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

And what about the people who fairly got to 49?

Why should they have access to the best drops without doing the harder work that new players must do?

Why should those at 30 have access to the best drops without putting in the work that those at 49 did?

All I’m saying is the content should have been added at 50. If you reset everybody’s progression, past 30, to 30, there should be compensation.

Why should somebody not receive compensation for having their progression nullified by resetting it?

Vayne.8563:

But those who are under 30 at this point who might want to try to get on the leaderboard would be affected…unless there’s a way to opt out of the leaderboard, which there’s not.

Basically, though, it’s such a small pool of people who have done it, and of those people some of them have said they don’t even care…so the pool of people is even smaller.

Oh, so the minority should have their time devalued to favor the majority? That seems pretty immoral.

Nabuko Darayon.9645:

I got no problem with the reset. Nice job ANet on dealing with people who exploited FoTM in the first months on release getting to lvl 80+.
I love how we’re all gonna be fair and square and hopefully no bug exploits after they patch it.

Now show your skills that you’ve all bragged about before when doing FoTM lvl 80. Lets see who’ll get there now

And what about the people who fairly got to 49?

Vayne.8563:

JMar.3254:

This is what this boils down to.

People who are high level fotm (40+) and those that are masochist (50+) want a compensation for having their work removed.

People who have never set foot in fotm or are 30- don’t want the people that put more work into fractals and those that are more skilled than they are to be compensated. They will cry exploits (unfairly) because they have no other arguement to stand on.

If you AREN’T affected by this change, then please kindly leave and keep your unwanted opinions to yourself.

Opinions unwanted by you…or by Anet? Seems to me Anet asked for opinions.

I’m not crying that anyone is exploiting anything. I’m saying a difference that makes no difference is no difference. There’s no title for this. There’s no way to show off you did it anyway. The challenge you got out of doing it, you did presumably because you enjoyed it. I can’t imagine why anyone who didn’t enjoy it would do it.

So you got hours of enjoyment doing something and now, Anet is changing the whole thing, and you want to what? Start at the end? Not do the new content?

I’m not even sure how that makes sense.

Why should people who are unaffected by this change get an opinion? If you are not lvl 30, then of course you don’t care about being reset, because you AREN’T AFFECTED.

I leveled up to 48 because we were told it would be endless levels. Once they opened up the next set (50-59, 50-69, etc) then I would be right there waiting to go. I also knew that the people at 30 would have to catch up.

The work I put into 30+ is washed away. Yes I have the rewards ( a couple of skins, that’s about it) but it’s still not right to reset progression.

This is a horrible move by Anet. Again, like I said, they could have just had the new content start at 50.

The fact that the only argument is that people wouldn’t grind that thigh to experience new content, just shows that they are unfairly treating the “elitists” (as you guys like to call them) by resetting their levels to appeal to the “casuals” that are less than 30.

haviz.1340:

I would say that the point of the leaderboards is for anet to have a legitimate excuse for resetting personal reward level to 30.

The ironic thing (ironic…sad…depressing, idk?) is that new content at 30 is much more of a justifiable reason than leaderboards. Nobody wants or asked for leaderboards. Stop trying to make everything an “esport” since pvp didn’t work out for ya.

Taku.6352:

Not to mention dumb as rock pet AI system and the inability of the devs to even try to fix it.

Agreed. I could deal with that pet AI though. It’s just the darn root on the sword auto attack. I still can’t believe somebody thinks that’s a good idea.

VOLKON.1290:

What is boils down to is simple. No one has earned any Fractal levels under the new challenges and difficulties beyond level 30, where the new changes take place. Allowing someone to remain at 50+ (or anything above 30 tbh) means they’re getting to those advanced levels without putting in any of the actual work required to get there under the new system. Now The past is gone. It went by like dusk to dawn. Isn’t that the way? Everybody’s got their dues in life to pay. Yeah, I know nobody knows where it comes and where it goes, I know it’s everybody’s sin you got to lose to know how to win.

I… seem to have had a flashback there.

So the solution is to undo hardwork by a minority of the player base that chose to get past 30 to please the majority of casuals?

I really don’t understand why people continue to think this is fair. Anet is intentionally resetting progress due to their own design, not a bug or exploit (I’m only talking about 30-50 here, because I don’t want to argue about 50+)

What is the difference between this, and Anet saying that they are adding PvP deathmatch, however you can only do it at 10 PvP rank and above, so everybody is being reset to 10 pvp rank to start over?

What if when they add the new WvW map, they say you have to be wvw level 10 to enjoy it, therefore all levels are reset to 10 and you star tover again?

What if they add a new dungeon at lvl 65, but in order for everybody to enjoy it, the entire player base levels’ are reset to 65 and you have to grind back up to 80.

Hint: There is no difference.

AFAIK, JP might be the only person who likes the sword leap on auto.

I refuse to play ranger if I have to wait 1-2 seconds to dodge. That completely destroys the gameplay.

VOLKON.1290:

If the intended challenge was originally meant to top out at a level 50 wall, then you’d have increasing challenges to that point then no designed increases beyond that. Old 81 was the same difficulty as 48 because they never intended there to be an 81 and hadn’t coded increasing difficulties for that.

Then how come we are being reset to 30 instead of 50?

They could have easily made the new content start at 50 so we keep our levels. Also, I’d say 95% of people don’t care about leaderboards.

Because getting a precurosr/legendary isn’t the only thing to enjoy in this game.

I play it for wvw, pvp, and dungeons. Not even really trying, I accumulated 700 gold, charged lodestones, t6 mats, etc, so I figured why not, and made a legendary.

If getting a precursor is all this game is to you, you could have probably gotten 10-15 with 2K hours, if you actually tried.

This is what this boils down to.

People who are high level fotm (40+) and those that are masochist (50+) want a compensation for having their work removed.

People who have never set foot in fotm or are 30- don’t want the people that put more work into fractals and those that are more skilled than they are to be compensated. They will cry exploits (unfairly) because they have no other arguement to stand on.

If you AREN’T affected by this change, then please kindly leave and keep your unwanted opinions to yourself.

I agree

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Wethospu.6437:

Yes, and I personally think you should return those greens to the Maw.

I tried but than my Group told me that this is an EXPLOIT so I decided to destroy em to not get banned.

That’s also an exploit. Playing the game is an exploit

Zenith.7301:

Agree to disagree tbh. HotW is just HotW.

Agreed. Real elites run the hardest content with bad builds and bad class composition.

Quit being efficient and organizing what you do.

durend.6237:

JMar.3254:

I think leaderboards is a silly idea that nobody wanted. What’s the point of leaderboard for PvE? Just put /age in a board and let us keep our levels.

Let me rephrase that for you.

What’s the point of a leaderboard in PvP? Just go and face someone in a match to show you’re better than them.

Silly right?

Yes I agree