It really goes to show how greedy people have gotten and how much they take things like mmos for granted. Everyone seems to forget that we get a lot of new content every 2-4 weeks!! I can’t name any other game that gets that level of updates, especially in their first year. However everyone has already got so used to that, that they demand more, and more, and more! Very few expansions have been released in the first year of a game being released, even single player console games don’t get that. We’ve had a lot of fixes, changes etc on top of living story, some of which is permanent, and every 2-4 weeks!
I get how some can be disappointing, but take a second to put it in perspective. WoW for example (just a good example to choose, because everyones heard of it) has its content that gets stale and stays that way for months until they release a new expansion. And before everyone comes along saying “well WoW has raids” it’s not much different from the amount of content we have, but its different. Seems to me there are a lot of people who really don’t like change. I don’t really understand that because WoW is still out there to be played and I reckon that game in particular will take a LOT of time to actually die, so you could just go give it a try rather than complain. And if you complain so much about GW2 yet continue to play it, there’s no helping you so I almost feel sorry for you. On a last note most other mmo’s have been out for at least twice as long as GW, so there really is no comparison.
Edit – Also in WoW you have to pay full game retail price for every expansion. This content we get is free!
I think in hindsight if you’re gonna level using staff I would stack condition damage/duration and stay in fire/air because damage is really little compared to other choices. It’s definitely the safer option though if you die a lot, although sceptre isn’t too bad as well. A lot of my staff damage came from 2 and 4 in fire, occasionally 5 if there were a lot of mobs around, and barely got hit at all. Also in hindsight sceptre in air makes solo’ing at 80 incredibly easy so maybe worth a try if you’re lacking damage with staff.
My first was an ele and I just used staff all the time until lvl 80. I always geared for power and precision and never really had an issue except in story missions and a couple of group events, but downscaling really helped me. D/D ele at 80 is fantastic though! It’s so complex in a good way, it just makes every other class seem boring. Warrior is way too standard for me now I literally can’t play it without getting bored in 5 mins. Ele at 80 is worth the time it takes to get it to 80.
I’m actually really disappointed with ranger in this game, even as it is now. I know in a lot of mmos pet classes always have the worst straw because balance is hard to maintain when you have both your pet and player attacking, but in gw2 is really does push it too far. Compared to every other class the damage is just terrible.
I like rangers because I like the look of bows and most games class mechanics with traps etc. In Aion for example there were no pets as far as I remember with the ranger class (although last I played was 2 years ago) and the damage was pretty good. Being able to do damage in pve is a major factor in what I consider fun. Imo fun isn’t trying to survive a fight where any other class can just roll over it like it’s nothing.
As soon as a game developer starts including pet damage in overall damage it goes completely wrong just because you will never have enough control over an npc to warrant it taking up a percentage of your overall damage. The thing that gives players great dps is timing and range of skills. The reason people can steamroll cof is because they choose their skills and weapons and switch when necessary to give the right buffs/boons to maximise dps.
Take away even 20% of that control and dps will fall significantly. Ranger has a lot less control than that. I don’t know how they can fix it, but a nerf to pet damage without any kind of buff to the class is definitely not an answer, it will only anger people. I don’t even play ranger and I don’t understand this decision, let alone the level 80 rangers out there who struggle with invites anyway!
I started the game with ele and honestly don’t really wanna level anything else! I have 4 alts that are around lvl 20 with my 80 ele and am almost always on my ele. I started off staff to get to 80 because it was easier to survive in PVE and still pretty fun, also I was used to that gameplay from other mmo’s.
Moved to D/D when I got used to staff at lvl 80 and wow! The amount of fun you can have if you add in a bit of toughness or vitality into a zerker build and know how to dodge and run around is amazing. I’d say go ele because there’s a high chance you’ll love it, and has a lot of different play styles.
The issues you talk about happen in any game, even single player games. I understand how others can make you feel terrible but this isn’t even a bad thing. Like everyone’s said, it’s dying in a video game, everyone dies in a video game! The number of times isn’t important and I’d go so far as to say those who die more have more of a laugh because they don’t care so much. Obviously that’s not the way for some people I’m just generalising.
I know people who live with CF and it is hard for them, and I do really feel for them however they are out living their lives to the max making sure that they do everything they want to. There are people out there who can help you with depression and would probably be worth looking into because it could mean having a whole new outlook on life rather than “counting down” the days.
I understand the difficulty and everyone gets depressed especially in your situation but there is so much more to life. Even if you sit at the computer everyday you can make friends with those who treat you right. You wouldn’t purposefully hang around with jerks for real, neither would you give them the time of day. People in this world can be vile.
I was in a very serious car accident 2 years ago where I completely smashed both legs and died twice due to blood loss. I’m still recovering and still have a partially broken leg that needs to be broken yet again. I was walking out of the cinema the other day and a guy leant out of a car and shouted asking what happened to my leg. Naturally I got used to everyone asking, so shouted “car accident”. His reply was exactly “Well maybe next time you’ll break your neck.” “Then I will laugh”. As I said, vile. But you can’t let these people get you down, they aren’t worth the time of day.
I really hope you do find someone to help you because even with an illness like yours it’s not the end of life. Celebrate life rather than watching it tick away, because you are still here. It’s easy for me to say this and we all know depression, and how hard it is to change but I know with the right help anything is possible.
Milo I’m sure if you had to do the work to create such rooms you wouldn’t call them basic features, and Celtus Guild halls in GW1 were released a lot later than 8-9 months after release. We’re still only in the first year, I don’t see why people compare a somewhat complete game (GW1) with a relatively new game (GW2). Just because a game shares the same title does not mean it’s gonna be the same game and have the same features. You need innovation to sell anything, so priorities for new features (or a different style to existing features) is a necessity.
Edit – after reading this post back I feel my point about guild halls isn’t that clear. My point is that custom arenas still have a lot of time to be worked on and were technically only just in the beta stages, I don’t know if they still are. Also I think guild halls were planned as a separate addition to GW2 later on, but I don’t know for sure.
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They’re making money though, so not a bad strategy. Bad in the eyes of the consumer because nobody likes losing money but that will always be the case. DanH is right, the costs are easily overlooked but they are definitely there, and will probably surprise you how much the costs amount to.
The gem store could be used for more, but they’re adding it to the game rather than the gem store and give the option to buy everything on the gem store with in game money, which is a fantastic improvement over a lot of other games with the same model as GW.
There have been a lot of good marketing strategies but the problem is good marketing strategies can look very bad on the company. Can’t fault them for knowing how to make money though, and could be a whole lot worse. Also this game has had a fantastic release compared to most other mmo’s out there. I’ve played a lot and I literally can’t name 1 that has been this amazing in its first year because of bugs etc, and a patch every 2 weeks with a fairly major patch every month is almost unheard of. I really think this game is setting the bar. But yea I agree some marketing strategies come across as greedy, but then same goes with every successful business.
I don’t feel the need to make a difference, I like this game the way it is like most people seem to. If you do want to make a difference then the best way would be to apply for a job there because the way most things go on here it wont be changed, especially not when their money making is involved, and when nobody else really cares that much.
Consider these arenas like overflow servers. At the end of the day, they are different servers whether you like it or not, and the ability to custom make your very own arena with whatever rules you like just adds to the cost of maintaining them. Whether you think it’s worth it is your choice but like has been mentioned they are not necessary to play the game, only an addition. Like paying for xbox live gold membership when xbox live silver is free. A lot of companies do it, not just ANet.
If my argument is invalid then so is yours, I’m just elaborating on your example and adding the real consequence to it. You’re the one who used the real world example so then arguing my point saying “this is just a game” is a little contradictory. I’m not saying inspect will definitely be a bad thing at all, just pointing out that there will always be consequences.
It’s a petty thing to fight for that I think is pretty set in stone. I find it a little weird that this is what you fight for when there are so many better more unjustifiable things ANet have charged for that will have more of an impact. This addition to the game however is in absolutely no way compulsory, pretty cheap and guaranteed to give you arena time, also completely justifiable. Also it costs money to host any server in any game, whether or not the game charges for that is their choice, and could be a whole lot worse. While console games such as call of duty have online multiplayer in which they don’t charge for it, there is still a cost for them to provide this service, bit like paying for your broadband service, only bigger.
stop being such lil girls
Actually I think you’re the one acting like a lil girl when you named the thread “not playing until…”. This feature costs ANet money because it’s like hosting a whole new server for arenas. I don’t really think this is your game though if such a minor inconvenience annoys you to the point you stop playing, so you probably are better off quitting.
As mentioned before this isn’t like seeing through your clothes, it’s a pointing a machine at them that tells me what brand and/or material they are. You’re not even affected.
Using that same example, people want to wear cheap clothes that look like the expensive brands but without the high price. If you invent a tool that when pointed at the clothes tells you that the quality is lower they but cheaper they will be judged for it therefore they’re affected by it.
It’s kinda the same here, although I agree that using magic find etc in dungeons is a bad thing and don’t think it should ever be made viable, just making a point that this will affect people no matter what anyone says. Whether that’s right or wrong is anyones opinion but ultimately down to ANet to decide, and whether or not you want to agree with their choice and accept it is your choice.
John Smith is just a common name because John is generally the most common first name and smith generally most common surname, and is also the name of a beer. Could be coincidental or just a generic name he made up.
I’ve been playing for 2 hours this morning and made 8 gold just from world events and 4 cof runs (3 p1 and 1 p2 which I did mainly for tokens). With current gold-gem conversion rate thats gonna get me 20 days worth of arena time. It’s really not that bad.
lol, you sound like an annoyed child… “i’m not playing grumpy face”. To make a custom arena it probably costs ANet money so you’re just paying the fees. Custom arenas don’t change anything really gameplay wise if you don’t want to make your own, and am I right in saying you buy the time off the gemstone, so you can use in game money?
- I assume you’re talking about custom arenas?
Because it’s incredibly better than some mmo communities, which kinda reflects on how bad mmo’s have gotten as a whole.
As I have said before, the game is running perfectly fine with this segregation it has at the moment. It is when you add tools that you start forcing things on people like “correct builds”. I run full zerk and with a good build so I’m not worried that people will judge me at the moment. Although look at it this way…. Anet want to add ascended armour right? Look at ascended trinkets and how long it can take to get the right ones you want. When people then start saying “ascended armour only” and the only way to get ascended armour is by playing content where people say “ascended armour only” – we have a problem.
Iaokoko you made an interesting point about the GW2 dungeon community and actually, I kinda agree. The dungeon community in this game can be very sour at times but I don’t think adding a tool like inspect will do anything good to help that, only make it worse. It would be nice to see what people are using but you can already do that by asking them to ping gear and the effort involved can deter people from this attitude. An inspect feature will encourage it more than anything.
I also think if a dungeon finder was to be implemented it would have to have options to separate people or a choice on which group you want to join, like G2WLFG. Issues will severely arise when they start throwing in extremely casual players with “efficient 1 build only” players. I don’t even wanna know what that would do to the already extremely divided dungeon community.
Haha, well it’s OK. Your in a safe place now. WoW was just one game out of many MMOs, and i can assure that SWTOR, a game based substantially on story-telling and aesthetics (so more similar to GW2) has inspect AND dps parsing. When i left SWTOR the community was just as friendly as when i started.
if you don’t want inspect, that’s fine. But it’s not fair to advocate against a tool that you don’t plan on using, because you think some jerk players (that probably don’t want to play with you in the first place) will be mean to you.
There are plenty of reasonable players that wont criticize your gear or dopplegang your character’s unique look. I would even dare to say that those players are the majority here.
The issue being that I’ve played a lot of mmo’s and most of them with the same tools as WoW have been taken over by this jerk-like attitude, and usually originate from these tools being introduced. Like I said I agree the community is to blame and this community is a lot better but anyone here against such tools has a right to be against it given what it has done to other games.
Also it works exactly the same the other way around, people for the tools have a right to be for it given that they want convenience. There is no right way which is why there is no definitive answer, therefore no real point to this thread. It all comes down to the direction ANet want to take this game. The problem is they have to try and please everyone and that can be very very difficult especially in this case because the 2 outcomes can be so widely apart/varied and both will cause a lot of arguments on both sides. I just hope whichever choice they make works out for the best.
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Well, Jaall, at first i thought you would be the voice of reason until you took sides, haha.
Firstly, you shouldn’t expect to take a 8 year hiatus and jump back into where you left off. I did the same thing with WoW, but took my place at the bottom and worked my way up.
Secondly, take a look at SWTOR. It has gear inspect AND dps parsing, yet it isn’t the elitest, hellhole everyone thinks these tools will change the game into.
Player behavior determines the community, not the tools. If someone wants to deny you from a group because of your gear, don’t blame the function that lets you look at someone’s gear, blame the person denying you the group.
I only really took sides because personal experience has lead me to some truly horrible people but you’re right, it is the people and not the tool. It is just the fact that such tools promote being rude, it’s kinda rewarding to be that way because it’s so easy so a lot of people do it. Like I said though, I don’t really know which way it will go, they could implement it and it’ll be fine, it might stay the way it is now.
Nobody really has a way of knowing, I certainly don’t so I don’t really take sides but would prefer if it wasn’t implemented cause I don’t feel the risk is necessary. I agree too that 8 years is way too long, and as I said 8 months is still too long to take a break, but i’ve had real life issues that have come up where I literally don’t have time to play at all, and then issues arise where I have all the time in the world to play. For example, i was working full time but a year ago was involved in a major car accident where I smashed both legs which has resulted in a very long time off work recovering, so I fill that time with GW2.
I don’t like the fact that in a game you enjoy you can’t take them months off as a break from the game and never be able to return because of players attitudes towards content alone. If the players didn’t follow max/min dps, didn’t only take people with the correct gear etc I could have come back to the games no problem. Following that train of thought in the majority of the community led to that game being very difficult to start back up and I would hate for a game as good as GW2 to get to that stage where i cant come back and play when I get back to work.
It’s basically just personal opinion and almost fear that the pressure to continue playing, that of a subscription based mmo, would be enforced on a buy to play mmo simply because of a tool that encouraged people to be unforgiving when making groups. I would adapt as much as i could if they made it so it wouldn’t be terrible to me but I think the community would suffer even more than it is now because GW hasn’t been designed like WoW, in the way that it does not cater to pressured gameplay.
Where WoW can get away with it because they charge monthly so people play as much as possible to make the most out of it, GW you can take breaks and come back whenever you want because you don’t have to pay anything to play after you’ve bought it. This is simply personal opinion, and you’re completely right in the fact that it is down to the mentality of players and not the tool itself. I have faith in this community so I hope if it does get implemented it wont be as bad as people are saying, but from experience and almost hard fact in other mmo’s, it could potentially be very bad.
Nobody will ever win this argument and everyone is as offensive as each other. There will always be a divide in every single thing that an mmo brings to the table, and always has been. Every single suggestion on here is met with both criticism and praise no matter what it is, but really it’s up to ANet to decide what direction they want the game to go in. Most mmo’s go downhill when they listen to the community so I actually would go so far as to say it’s better if they just did what they want. As has been said, can’t please everyone.
WoW is not an evil game and I really liked it when I played it. The issue came about when I stopped playing for 8 or so months and came back to the game. Now if I did that in GW2 there wouldn’t be such an issue, I wouldn’t be up to date in the living story and a lot would have changed but I should be able to just jump straight back into content and I think this is how they designed it to begin with.
When I “attempted” to get back into WoW I never got an invite to anything because I didn’t have the achievement or gear score necessary. The funny thing was, I never got any chance to obtain gear to enhance my gear score but still got criticised for it. WoW probably started off a lot like GW because these tools like recount and gear score were set up as mods and were not part of the game at all. I haven’t played WoW in a very long time but I would take a guess and say it’s exactly the same if not worse.
Every game I have heard of that has introduced a gear inspect system and a DPS measuring system has succumb to extreme elitism by a handful of players, which ultimately ruins any kind of casual gameplay in the majority of dungeon runs etc. This is why I feel, even if it might not lead to this, the risk is too big for a game a lot of people enjoy for it’s laid back nature. I don’t think GW2 would benefit at all from this only to satisfy the minority of players and make it convenient for them to judge others.
Given the direction the game seems to be taking and the whole direction it started off with I highly doubt an inspect feature will ever be implemented, and if it does, not for years yet. This whole thread is getting completely pointless and I’m surprised with the amount of arguments that it hasn’t been closed yet. I guess ANet are probably using it for entertainment! It’s impossible to tell what will happen but certain trends seem to scream out that it could be disastrous for them to follow in WoW’s footsteps with this game, and i personally am amazed at how many people want this game to be like WoW. You wouldn’t buy Halo and expect it to be CoD… well you might but that would be silly, as is the case here.
Some elitists can be really decent people just take the game seriously so in no way am I anti-elitist. What I am against is forcing elitism on everyone which is what an inspect option will do because it’s happened in every other mmo. I quit every mmo I used to play because the pressure to keep up with everyone else was overwhelming, and it made me realise they are just games, they aren’t my job. I have good gear in GW2 but when ascended armour becomes available I don’t want to feel obligated to go out and get it the next day just because I wont get invites unless I do. Also I like my build and don’t want to be put down for it in a game where I go to let my hair down as such. That pressure should never exist in a game unless designed to be like that which GW2 clearly was not.
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Does it really need to be said AGAIN that GW2 has been out less than a year and GW1 has been out for a lot lot longer? The reason GW2 has less content is because it’s fairly new, and saying it should have the same amount as a game that’s been around for years is just stupid. Doesn’t stop people complaining though but I guess nothing ever will, there will always be those who find something to complain about just for the sake of complaining.I personally don’t really like RNG but I can deal with not getting every single thing in this game because it doesn’t really effect me either way. It’s simply a game I play when I don’t have anything better to do and there is plenty I can do without spending real money. I’ve already got a lot off the gem store using in game gold so i don’t see the big deal unless you literally HAVE to have everything, but that’s an extremely unhealthy attitude.
^ This, excactly, you just saved me the effort of typing, thank you
9 months fairly new? so when are we about to get polished game, 10+ years?
New in an mmo sense. Ever played any other mmo at launch? It’s exactly the same if not worse than this.
Does it really need to be said AGAIN that GW2 has been out less than a year and GW1 has been out for a lot lot longer? The reason GW2 has less content is because it’s fairly new, and saying it should have the same amount as a game that’s been around for years is just stupid. Doesn’t stop people complaining though but I guess nothing ever will, there will always be those who find something to complain about just for the sake of complaining.
I personally don’t really like RNG but I can deal with not getting every single thing in this game because it doesn’t really effect me either way. It’s simply a game I play when I don’t have anything better to do and there is plenty I can do without spending real money. I’ve already got a lot off the gem store using in game gold so i don’t see the big deal unless you literally HAVE to have everything, but that’s an extremely unhealthy attitude.
I love how a lot of the people saying inspect is a good idea say that you need full zerk gear with the optimum builds to be most efficient and that it’s “respectful” to do so because you have to consider others in the group. Is it just me or is kicking a guy because he/she isn’t amazing, like you claim to be, extremely disrespectful in it’s own right?
Most people advertise that they want full zerker people, so if someone comes and isn’t one they have the right to kick him and it isn’t wrong. People just need to remember about posting all the requirements so that a person wanting to join knows what to expect.
Also playing full zerker build does not mean you are a group player, and in a way means the opposite. You’re sacrificing the ability to stay alive to do as much damage as you can
When you have a good zerker party the mobs die too fast to actually kill something. I had some 2 mes/3 war parties where effigy died in 2 timewarps – you don’t care about survival with such people.
I have no problem with kicking when advertising for zerk only, but only if you specify that first. I just find it funny that people imply they kick people in any group because they aren’t zerk-built and then talk about respect. If you do indeed ask only for zerk all the time and that is the only time you’ve kicked people then I’m fine with that, but why do you need an inspect option just for that?
Also yes that is the typical zerk attitude, but I’ve spent a lot of time getting zerker warriors or guardians up because they didn’t dodge in time or just simply had a massive lack of hp. It does take skill on top of that if you cannot kill quick enough, and if you can’t kill quick enough where does the blame lie if you have 4 identical players and a mesmer? A gear inspect tool won’t fix anything only make it easier to be a jerk .
I love how a lot of the people saying inspect is a good idea say that you need full zerk gear with the optimum builds to be most efficient and that it’s “respectful” to do so because you have to consider others in the group. Is it just me or is kicking a guy because he/she isn’t amazing, like you claim to be, extremely disrespectful in it’s own right?
Also playing full zerker build does not mean you are a group player, and in a way means the opposite. You’re sacrificing the ability to stay alive to do as much damage as you can with the typical dps meter mentality, but without the meter. I would bet that the high majority of players who want the inspect feature would also want a dps meter. Can’t help but think they’d be better off in WoW.
I really hope they don’t use the same animation for the unlimited axe…. That really wouldn’t work
Nothing wrong with it at all, the way it is now. I have absolutely no problem at all with people being like this because other people can get away from it. Nobody has to show their gear if they don’t want to be judged by these elitists and that way it works. It stops working when people are forced to show their gear and consequently get judged for it.
Funnily enough Lehova is proving our point that gear inspect is a bad thing because it’s just making it quite clear the attitude that people have and how much it would effect the casual player.
1. My name begins with an ‘i’.
2. Casual players do not care if they’re being inspected or not. Bads, MF leeches, 5-signet/healing shout warriors, condition damage guardians and the rest of people who do not know their classes and expect being piggybacked do.
3. It’s spelled “affect”.
4. There is nothing inherently wrong with the ability to see what other players are wearing. You do not have to party with elitist jerks, they already have static groups to steamroll all the content.
This genuinely made me lol!
1. It’s hard to tell whether it’s an L or an I but yes I didn’t check although putting such a petty response as a first point just outlines the stupidity of this post.
2. I know my class and have a build that is 90% conformist with full zerker gear and power/tough/crit – power/vit/crit trinkets making my build pretty much what people want. I also never use magic find and never will in groups, and am extremely casual to the way I play yet I don’t want inspect for very good reason, and that is because of people like you.
3. The fact that 2 of your 4 points are correcting grammar/spelling just shows you have no actual point or argument and just want to bulk up your response. I may have said effect instead of affect but effect is still a viable choice given what I had said and is not wrong. Less used maybe but not wrong at all.
4. A considerable amount of elitists don’t have static groups, which is evidently clear from GW2LFG. There are a lot of people who make pug groups who demand such and such builds and to ping gear. This is would consider elitism and am wholly against it and for good reason. Introducing an inspect gear system would encourage said attitudes as that is the only real need for one. The game is surviving absolutely fine without one except for the people who feel they need to judge others on gear/builds. If you feel you’re being held back by people you can still check without an inspect, and it gives people a choice whether to share with you or not.
Funnily enough Lehova is proving our point that gear inspect is a bad thing because it’s just making it quite clear the attitude that people have and how much it would effect the casual player.
Why do people demand perfection? It really does elude me as to why people would want others to play exactly as you want to rather than the way they play, even if it works. It’s all very well saying you ask a lot of questions before inviting and check gear through pings etc, but this is a game! It all seems a lot of effort just to be efficient and that is fine if you want to be, but don’t drag others with you.
Introducing a gear check system will inevitably drag every single player, no matter what their play style, into the pro-efficient way of playing and that would be disastrous for this game. I have no worries about it being implemented because I’m sure it won’t given the reaction on here is mostly against it, just making the point.
4 months and you’re complaining? Yea it’s a long time but most mmo’s would take a year+, and considering how much we got besides this in the last 4 months I’m happy waiting.
People have to start from somewhere and not allowing them to join because you want to complete a dungeon a few minutes quicker is more selfish than using magic find gear in my opinion. Also just to note, I don’t personally use magic find gear and never will in dungeons but personally I’ve seen people in magic find gear doing really well.
I have tried a few builds I found on the internet, but none of them suited my play style at all so I modified it to make it my own and works fantastically. If I explain to people what my build is people would probably slate me for it, but I don’t care because it works. If they made it an option to inspect my gear, all the ignorant fools out there who think there is only 1 viable build for every class will try to stop me enjoying the game, or at least the way I play it and I think I would just end up getting too frustrated and quit like all other mmo’s have led me to do.
Getting the 80 crystals from anywhere except gem store is more of a bonus. I’ve never seen 1 as a reward for map completion or dailies etc so I wouldn’t rely on that, and like I said it’s pretty cheap jus to convert gold to gems.
Way to make money, isn’t too bad though, could be worse. Given that you can use gold to get gems it costs I think about 7g for 5 which is most of a set. Superior sigil of bloodlust, and a few good exotics are about that sorta price range at the moment so just fits in with everything else unless you want to pay real money for it. I wish they’d add a way to buy singles though instead of all 5, considering 7/8 is the max you’ll use on 1 set.
Ok, a little example of a real world situation that does this – I have a car called a Vauxhall Corsa, Opel Corsa for countries that have Opel instead of Vauxhall. Anyway, it is labelled as a “limited edition” car and has a badge on the side that says “limited edition” yet there are more limited cars on the road than there are of the higher spec’ed models simply because it sells well.
They started out limited but it made them so much money they kept manufacturing them and get away with it because every good company has a loophole they can use in case of situations like this. I know a car and a game are two completely different things however, same situation and they are just businesses. Not saying I agree with the car thing but it’s not the end of the world, I still love my car and this game is no where near as extreme as that so really no reason for complaint.
Exactly that, they don’t sneak it in, you just have to ignore it. If you can’t ignore it then it’s kinda your own fault. You can’t blame ANet for selling items, they’re out to make money and yea some of their tactics are a bit controversial but it’s the same for any company. They are not forcing these items on you just using clever advertising and temporary content. I can make the same amount of gold that 800 gems can get you in a day if I do every world event and a couple of cof runs but it takes time and isn’t instant. If you want instant money then yea you have to pay real money for it.
Obviously hasn’t played FFXI. Even levelling in that game was a grind – go to such and such place and kill mobs for exp, and keep killing, for hours, and hours, and hours. I did that for 5 months to get my first top level character, next was easier so I did it in a couple of months instead but was still the same. Things have changed now however because levelling can be done in a day, but it’s sort of an exploit where you pay people in game to do kill everything really fast while you stand there (not fun but gets the job done).
Legendaries are hard you say? The “legendaries” in FFXI are basically required these days because they’re easier to get than they used to be and are BiS weapons by a long shot, although I think that’s changed and are almost BiS but haven’t been updated yet. Either way, to get them you have to play 2 hours everyday killing stuff over and over and over for at least 2 months in 1-3 different areas to get currency drops. You can buy the currency but it costs over 150 million, which is a lot by anyone’s standards. The only way to really buy that is to either do that currency grind but sell the currency instead and then buy back, do another activity which is essentially the same but for different currency and sell them, or buy gold/gil.
That’s the easy “legendaries” called relics, there are harder weapons to get which are on the same level but have different stats called mythics that cost around 450 million… In comparison this game is incredibly laid back and in no way a grind fest. I haven’t even started on doing bosses 600+ times just for a dagger that isn’t even the best, but there’s no point going into all that. GW2 is really no grind fest, its goals may be far out of reach for casual players with legendaries etc, but they were designed for the hardcore players and are for the skins, not to be the best. Everything else in this game is easy if you just explore, and by that I mean explore different ways to do the same thing, there’s usually more than 1.
I don’t think anyone’s been banned for taking part, we’d know about it on here by now if they had! But they do have the right to fix something like that because it does sound like a bug or a way to cheat the system as such. It’s their fault that it exists though so they can’t ban people for their mistakes or at least shouldn’t, but it honestly doesn’t look like they have banned anyone.
I disagree with the bolded part of your post.
Let’s say the devs accidentally had an event that involved recipes and the mystic forge. It was revealed that there was a certain way you could basically create gold. Based on your comment, people are free to exploit that and should not be banned since it was the devs’ fault for not foreseeing this.
Another example is that players find a way to go under the maps in dungeons and get to the final boss within 30 seconds. So the players should not be at fault for continually doing this?
While the devs to share some blame in exploit existing (a lot are unforeseeable or difficult to find due to time/resource constraints), players who choose to abuse these are much much more to blame.
Sorry, I wasn’t really being specific to anything and yea you’re right that in most cases it’s the players fault for exploiting that, I was just saying this isn’t really an exploit more of an unintended result that people found out about. It’s like the event was designed this way to make it harder but over time people get stronger and can appear in large numbers to abuse the system already in place. There would never be a system to go under the map for example. When I said “it’s their fault that it exists” I didn’t mean in general any exploit, I meant that event in particular designed as it was, or at least not as clearly obvious as most other exploits (free gold or travelling under a map).
Funny that everyone complains about temporary content, then they bring some things back and people complain that they brought it back. Perfect example of how they can never win.
I know about them, but they were all revoked and just a case of them being stupid banning people without cause, which I’m not defending at all but just saying I haven’t heard of anything else on that line for a long time so hopefully never again. And like I said, doesn’t seem like anyone was banned this time.
I don’t think anyone’s been banned for taking part, we’d know about it on here by now if they had! But they do have the right to fix something like that because it does sound like a bug or a way to cheat the system as such. It’s their fault that it exists though so they can’t ban people for their mistakes or at least shouldn’t, but it honestly doesn’t look like they have banned anyone.
I actually think there are a lot of people in every zone compared to other MMO’s. Take WoW, it has the largest playerbase by a long mile yet you still see everyone in a few zones and the others are empty. I get the argument that this is about the journey too, but that is the devs opinion, and in reality an MMO is made by the players. It’s pretty evident by these forums that a considerable portion of players are “endgame” players rather than levelling types.
I would love that the game had every zone full but even with WoW’s amount of players, with the amount of areas in this game and the size of them, it’s just completely out of the question to even be remotely full wherever you go. I feel people need to just get real a little bit and consider what they’re saying. It’s easy to go to Orr if you want to be around people all the time, but there are still people around in other areas. There aren’t going to be hundreds all at once unless it’s an endgame area but then that will never happen in any MMO regardless of it’s popularity.
I also have tons of dyes and probably spend way more time than I should playing with different color combos. XD
I’m afraid to do that, even with the undo button. I have a mix and match set, and I worked hard to get my look to where it is. I don’t want to risk undoing it at this point. haha.
I can relate to this completely!! I almost made another alt just for the fact I wanna test out new looks but scared to mess around with the look I love lol
Thanks for creating such topics. Really amazing, did you study philosophy? No? Awesome! Btw: if you write in the second person plural, it means you are excluded as an individual. But as you in the same boat playing guild wars 2, you should correct the text into first person, plural. Thank you!
Funny thing is I studied both psychology and philosophy and it doesn’t really matter if you did or not, I think this is pretty obvious for some people. Also I’m personally not putting everyone into this category only summarising that the people who do go around complaining about every little thing in this game like it’s a massive deal has probably saturated the game for all it’s worth. Notice I said probably, I never said everyone or anyone specifically, and stated that I too fall into that category on occasion so have included first person.
It’s all very well trying to be clever but you saying that speaking in 2nd person excludes anyone from being an individual is silly because in this case it can be the only way to speak. For example, if the person has studied psychology and philosophy, but also plays very casually without any care in the world then there would really be no way to include yourself in that analogy. First person wouldn’t get your point across and third person is rather specific and would seclude a specific part of the community which would be a lot more insulting. By making a point and then generalising by saying “they would feel that” or “they would say that” you’re simply making a point rather than being aggressive.
I don’t know who that post was aimed at, but I thought I would just stand up for anyone in here who has had their say agreeing with the OP. It makes a nice change that someone on here says something nice about the game that we love to play, and the OP has a very good point that is accurate with the attitudes of a lot of people in and out of the game (not just the GW2 community). Lastly you don’t personally know if anyone here has studied philosophy or psychology, so how can you make that argument and then answer it yourself as “no”?
I agree with OP 100% and glad it’s been said. People saturate this game for literally everything it has so quickly because it has that MMO title and people expect more and more and more all the time. They also tend to forget all the content they played through to complete it and removed all satisfaction because they are so incredibly focused on getting to their goal which in a game like GW2, doesn’t exist as much as in other games. Then people come to these forums to moan about the fact that the end of their goal isn’t as rewarding as they thought, even though the developers said themselves it’s the journey that’s the main focus in this game.
People also tend to forget the amount of time they’ve spent playing this game to get to their goals. In reality you’ve probably played this game for months, or at least 1 month 5 hours + a day. I would say you have gotten your moneys worth from that amount of time and it’s just the title of MMO that makes you think you haven’t. If you went out and bought a game for the Playstation or Xbox, or even an offline game on PC, it’s very unlikely you’ll spend that long playing it therefore it lasts longer. It certainly would get boring quicker than GW2 anyway.
It’s just psychological, people see other MMO’s and expect the same in every single one released but in reality that would be even more boring. If GW2 was released as a WoW clone everyone would complain saying it was a WoW clone. The MMO market has to be one of the most unforgiving and “tough to please” markets in the world due to the almost obsessive nature of the consumers. I will admit I fall into that category occasionally, and I’m not really sure why. I think because these games replicate life so much that it is very easy to just fall into this game for hours and get lost if you’re feeling sad about reality.
This really isn’t an escape though, and while a lot of people treat it as one you still have to focus on reality more than online. As the OP has said GW2 isn’t the answer to whatever problems you have in reality. They don’t just go away because you play a game. Actually that is the problem with MMO’s and it has literally just hit me. MMO’s are a lot like drugs, they give you a release from reality. It’s definitely 100x better than actual drugs, I’m not saying it’s bad, but people get addicted to them for the escape they give. However, just like drugs (although nowhere near as much) they effect your health. Mental health more than physical, but people have been known to die from excessively playing them.
Those API’s were a terrible idea that will only put more pressure on the open world. With this kind of accurate info people will participate even less in open world events that don’t profit them as much. On top of that certain resources will become more rare as people won’t come near them anymore. Finally these API’s have turned a once living breathing world into nothing but a mechanical machine were everything is precisely known. Instant gratification akittens worst I say.
You don’t have to use them and they were already available using dragon timers. I get what you’re saying but at the end of the day it’s not the real world and it still is a game so there’s always gonna be some kind of “machine”.
I’m more of a perfectionist, I’m not too fussed about anything the game if I don’t start doing something, but once I do I have to finikitten completely no matter what. Like for example exploring maps, I usually feel like I have to 100% a map before I go to the next (there are some I leave though, mainly just because I prefer other maps but working my way back to them for 100% map completion). It’s also why I don’t want to start a legendary yet because I know I won’t be able to take it casually and am enjoying that casual side to the game for now.
Edit – Not sure what the deal is there but apparently finish and it with a space between the 2 words is worth a kitten! Oh well, free kittens all round.