I don’t jump after big fat Norn or Charr – honestly you ask if this really has got any effect? Didn’t do the jumping puzzle much, did you?
You have to be really concentrated to do the JP – I often feel as if my toon alone distracts people, although I’m not on my big fat Charr.
The JP counts as PvP, yet “standard model” doesn’t apply.
ETA I completed the JP 249 times – and have been called a bot today for no idea what reason – this event really gets the best of people.
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You are right, there is such a thing as night capping. As a Australian player in a NA server, all those NA primetime players are nightcapping all my hard work during my primetime. I wish to complain too… :P
Try to get my point, ok? =)
ETA: In the end nightcapping works like this: “Okay, when don’t other servers have coverage? Okay, from 2-7 A.M.. Lets go to the forums and try to get a guild from NA or wherever who are willing to play on our server during that time. We’ll pay them the transfer and also x gold per week. Or; could we bring people from our server to change their daily rhythm so we have coverage during that time?” Although the latter often isn’t planned.
If you look at millenium or better coverage wars you’ll find the night capping servers on EU pretty quickly.
ETA²: Your work doesn’t mean much if all you do is capping empty buildings – I guess you won’t call that “hard work”, do you?
If it were, EotM players would be devastated.
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Jana, a few posts back, you were asking how to go about handling manual upgrades, while making sure trolls couldn’t grief by ordering it at the worst possible times or by ordering the wrong upgrades on purpose. There’s a very very simple way to go about handling that.
Here’s how it works. You have three tiers.
Here’s what I loved in the past and what I kind of want back:
We’re holding paper SM, it’s about to be taken
“Someone drain supps!!”
– Ordering merchants and get 600 supply out –
That was always cool, no matter what objective but it has also been taken as a tool to troll and there’s no way to ensure it can’t be used to drag the “own server” down.
What you’re describing is still a dumbed down automated system with a manual click.
Their job isn’t just doing the chores, their job is maintaining the territory. This includes upgrades and building siege, yes, but also controlling the camps, and scouting enemy movement.
Sometimes there’s not enough people to do all of this and the question is: Do automated upgrades harm or help them.
However, since you can make more gold in 20 minutes of PvE than you can in a day of WvW, not even the farmers will come in there to karma train. They’ll just go to one of the PvE maps, leaving WvW empty.
To some people it might be that simple – I loved the community and working together. Yes for that automated stuff is bad.
If you automate the defense, it stops becoming a strategic game of players versus players, and becomes a mechanical game of players versus the environment. PvE.
There’s not much strategy about upgrades, whether it’s automated or manual. I get your point, just that it doesn’t apply here. You can argue about sentries giving enemy locations away or too many NPC guards, but upgrades?
Furthermore, if you’re on a server that doesn’t have 24/7 coverage, an off peak group can take an entire borderland without resistance, and with auto upgrades, there’s a good possibility that the entire thing could be fully upgraded by morning.
Since I’m on EU for now 1,5 years I am always on a server which has no coverage at certain times of the day, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t at least a few who try to get things back. As long as the opponent server doesn’t outnumber us 24/7 they won’t be able to hold the stuff for long. And yet again, do autoupgrades harm or help outnumbered servers? As effectively those outnumbered don’t have to have people sitting in camps and towers to click upgrades.
That group only needs to go through once, and never needs to come back.
Yes, but it doesn’t take much longer to take a T3 objective that isn’t guarded.
I’m a platinum something solo roamer/scout who does this for now 2 years. I spent ~700 gold a month (Edit: it was around 70 to 100 – math and me) on upgrades, I have been a kitten good scout, I refreshed siege, I built siege, I destroyed enemy siege when everybody else just stood around – and I think the automated upgrades are better. I get your point and that to some people all of this was important – but I promise to never again spend a dime on any upgrade – if you really want it, then do it yourselves – that goes to every server I might be on in the future.
ETA: With one exception: Getting the supply out of something we’re about to lose – then you’ll get my gold. But anet, if you read this: You can make the costs for this as high as you like, trolls still would pay it.
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Don’t hold your breath, Snowball Mayhem has always been terrible for gifts, it wasn’t brought up to parity with the other events last year or this year, so you have a snowball’s chance in hell it’ll be next year.
Well, I got my spark from the pvp chests – so I’m good for eternity, I guess
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I am against anything that is automatic and takes out player participation. WVW stops working when there is no players or very few on the map. Fighting non stop just isn’t feasible sometimes people need a break and other things to do.
Haven’t been on NA for a while but if our side is idle the opponent usually isn’t. So servers on EU are “dead” at some point of the day but often at different times. So, a Karma train can easily paper everything and the few remaining on the other side have no hope to upgrade.
With auto upgrades that means stand around in keep/tower and be bored. Taking a break from fighting use to mean checking upgrades, refreshing siege, scouting, escorting yaks and maybe capping orge, frogs or dredge and sometimes capping a enemy camp so they have something to do besides cap our camps. With auto upgrades and the changes that are purposed taking a break means….
Already included this in the above, but even with auto upgrades you don’t really have idle times as camps and towers are still in danger – I don’t think anyone objects if you’re just standing around (I might though if we’re the only two in a tower that’s being attacked).
2.) Refreshing siege is well… no one does this anymore because people are all burned out refreshing siege and missing it by 10 minutes and losing it all. Siege timers need to be 3 hours so the game doesn’t burn out players.
No one ever did. I’m in wvw for now two years and there were few who cared for the siege.
3.)Cap orges? Sure I can still do this but I have no investment nor does anyone else in seeing our camps become stronger. Defending supply camps for the most part has become a “who cares” we will just recap which has always been a problem at times but is worst now with fewer players on the map.
4.) Escort yaks? Nobody likes to do this and only 1 in 100 yaks I kill in WVW do I ever find someone escorting a yak.
This has already been the case before the auto upgrades we had a case of a very smart thief though who hid in SM and kept our workers dead = it couldn’t upgrade – that was really cool. We also had a few dedicated enemies who killed our yaks for hours without end.
Btw: I had 12k escorted yaks before HoT. But I don’t always escort them as well as I’ve got better things to destroy.
5.) Cap enemy camps sure I can do this but chances are its fully upgraded and unless I am on the right character it becomes a pain. Not to mention there is no way to tell what the enemy is up to by checking camp upgrades. I use to run by camps and see if a upgrade has been ordered at least I would know a real live player had been there recently and made capping camps a tad more exciting because this player just might come try and defend.
Weakest class with weakest spec here – and even I can cap T3 camps Time to get better!
In summary most of the reason for players being in their 1/3 have been removed from the game. When your 1/3 is a ghost town players come into WVW don’t see a tag and think kitten it I will go pve, maybe they port to the keep to see if anyone is there and when they see no one they finally decide to go pve or worst yet log out. The number of players that use to work together to defend camps, escort yaks so they could get a WP in the keep or get a tower upgraded is gone. Basically our little family of 1/3’ers looks like they are getting promoted to glorified yak runners because Anet thinks they can make us like doing things we don’t like. Players come in all skill levels and lower skilled players feel useless in WVW now. Our 1/3 should be alive with people doing things but with all these changes there just isn’t much reason to be there and that gives players coming into WVW right off the bat the impression the map is dead.
That is all nice but not all servers might be lucky to have such a dedicated group of upgraders.
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SA was giving more damage than DA while camping invisibility and defensive bonuses.
No, unless it has been nerfed before I started thief.
The max stacks I could get with runes of strength on my own – and with Hide in Shadows and Blinding Powder was 14 for a split second – the usual after stealth camping was 12. When I wasn’t stealthed for a longer time I had around 6-8 stacks of might.
I was at ~400 power less than someone who traited full DA, I was running 06620 – even someone with 26600 wouldn’t be as strong or even stronger than a DA thief.
I think that calculation was from before might was nerfed. But it should still be possible to find the max power a DA and a SA thief could have on their own.ETA: Screenshot – That was the max power my thief could have. The screen is from November 14th 2014. Food was usually Plate of Truffle Steak, utility: Superior Sharpening Stone – the 25 stacks are Bloodlust and also the guard stacks, of course.
Build, like I said: 06620, Armor Valk, Rune of Strength, 2 trinkets valk+ zerker, rest zerker, all weapons zerker – everything Ascended.
Edit²: He’s still got an exotic zerker backpiece at that point – so I was wrong about “everything ascended”
Edit³: I can remember that I got into an argument with someone who claimed that SA thieves are kitten and that was when I calculated all that might gives a SA thief- the ~400 is what I remember – but I might remember it wrong and I can’t remember the former traits in DA as I never really used that traitline.You’re comparing DA and SA vs CS and SA. SA given the might had objectively more power than DA.
12 stacks of might equates to what would have been 420 power. DA itself granted 300 from the trait line and no more, as DA had no source of might, and this was before DA had executioner as a bonus damage modifier, and Dagger Training was made baseline/removed, pitting 120 power vs 10% damage. Unless building signets, the might gain would scale better against both squishier and tankier targets. SA was factually dealing more damage than DA while not considering the damage from mug.Now, with the 300 power gone from traits, SA given such reverts would provide an even bigger advantage in terms of raw damage. A DA/CS/SA thief could be easily capable of reaching backstabs well over 30k while retaining almost all the defensive benefits a thief has now as DA/CS/TR.
DA has got revelaed training and a lot of damage modifiers, trickery alone gives a 15% damage increase – all those who one shotted people in wvw never ran SA, you as well, so I guess the might boost wasn’t as important as you make it out to be.
It’s still 100% optional. It is required for a skin….
You know that you’re wrong and you clearly say so. Thanks!
:)
No he explained it and also that most people become better when trying, to which I agree as this is the first year I made it. I usually gave up pretty soon, this year I didn’t. If you’re physically impaired that’s a whole different story and anet probably should take something like that into account when doing these events.
There’s a lot that’s good with how the whole wintersday was set up and some points that should be improved – as after all it’s wintersday and not some raid or dungeon meta.
ETA: But for now, keep calm, try again, try to find a helpful person or stick to someone who looks as if they know what they’re doing (that’s what I did)
SA was giving more damage than DA while camping invisibility and defensive bonuses.
No, unless it has been nerfed before I started thief.
The max stacks I could get with runes of strength on my own – and with Hide in Shadows and Blinding Powder was 14 for a split second – the usual after stealth camping was 12. When I wasn’t stealthed for a longer time I had around 6-8 stacks of might.
I was at ~400 power less than someone who traited full DA, I was running 06620 – even someone with 26600 wouldn’t be as strong or even stronger than a DA thief.
I think that calculation was from before might was nerfed. But it should still be possible to find the max power a DA and a SA thief could have on their own.
ETA: Screenshot – That was the max power my thief could have. The screen is from November 14th 2014. Food was usually Plate of Truffle Steak, utility: Superior Sharpening Stone – the 25 stacks are Bloodlust and also the guard stacks, of course.
Build, like I said: 06620, Armor Valk, Rune of Strength, 2 trinkets valk+ zerker, rest zerker, all weapons zerker – everything Ascended.
Edit²: He’s still got an exotic zerker backpiece at that point – so I was wrong about “everything ascended”
Edit³: I can remember that I got into an argument with someone who claimed that SA thieves are kitten and that was when I calculated all that might gives a SA thief- the ~400 is what I remember – but I might remember it wrong and I can’t remember the former traits in DA as I never really used that traitline.
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Anyway, thief or everything is that broken in my opinion that 1k more healing won’t really solve anything.
1k?? ONE THOUSAND???
Keep dreaming mate, it’s only +434 base healing, it’ll still heal less than 5k overall.
Ok 10% – I knew it was something with 1… :P